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HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/
digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 2, 8:11?am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? Yes - all forms of digital radio are a farce with poor reception, poor sound quality, and extra channels which are garbage and no value to consumers. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 2, 8:11 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? Of course, but DRM doesn't matter because it has already failed. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 2, 8:11 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? DRM, like any form of QRM, is horrendously annoying. Hatred I'll reserve for CODAR... |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
"SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Can you demodulate DRM without a digital decoder? Do you hate DR Mondiale too? It's not so bad. It would be better if they would segregate the AM and DRM SW stations. Frank Dresser |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, junius wrote:
On Oct 2, 8:11 am, SFTV_troy wrote: Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? DRM, like any form of QRM, is horrendously annoying. Hatred I'll reserve for CODAR... HD radio advocates want to put a new seat cushion on a horse drawn carriage and call the result a spaceship. At bottom they simply fear the future, fear technology, fear the internet, fear progress, and fear the inevitable. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 2, 9:55 am, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Can you demodulate DRM without a digital decoder? No, but it does have one advantage over HD Radio. DRM can be received with a standard computer (you just need the tuner to receive the signals). It's not so bad. It would be better if they would segregate the AM and DRM SW stations. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 2, 8:11?am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? As a whole, digital radio is a farce, offering poor reception (especially in moving vehicles), unnecessary extra channels (as if there aren't already enough radio stations), and expensive receivers requiring external antennas - no wonder, consumer interest in DAB has stalled in Canada and the US, and is slowing in the UK. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 3, 3:49 am, RHF wrote:
Use a common 'portable' AM & FM Shortwave Radio and Tune to a DRM Shortwave Radio Broadcast.http://www.drm.org/livebroadcast/livebroadcast.php Hear that Noise on both sides of the Tuned Frequency extending for +/- 10 kHz. That is the Digital Noise caused by the DRM Digital Broadcast Mode. This is "Why" many say DRM is QRM. ~ RHF What's QRM? (checks wikipedia) Does that mean "Man-made interference" Wikipedia doesn't say what the negatives for DRM are. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
Soundhaspriority wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? I think the reaction you're getting is really due to 1. Reaction to the marketing hype, which in the case of Ibquity and DRM, is the bold faced lie of CD quality. 2. The way you promote the official position, as if you had a financial stake. Regardless of whether you're just a bored engeineer, or a marketing type lying his ass off, this is the way you come off. I see. Well I wrote roughly half of the criticisms section (and all of the HDR vs. EU DRM/DAB section) located he en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd_radio#Comparison_to_EU.27s_Digital_Radio ----- I have also posted quite a number of negative comments on this forum such as, "HD Radio AM should be banned from nighttime broadcasting, until circa 2015, at which time analog can be switched- off and HD can take over". I recognize that HD is not flawless. The problem is most of the folks on these groups think HD has absolutely *no* positives whatsoever. They are biased towards the "hate" side of the HD argument, and hate anyone (like me) who says even the slightest positive thing about the standard. They are the biased ones. I am sitting on the fence (recognizing both + and - the standard). If digital radio were instead marketed honestly with respect to the real benefits it provides in certain situations, such as mobile, you wouldn't hear all the animosity. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 2, 3:42 pm, wrote:
As a whole, digital radio is a farce, offering poor reception (especially in moving vehicles), unnecessary extra channels (as if there aren't already enough radio stations)... There are not enough radio stations. Which is why some people can't find anything worth listening to, and complain "Today's radio is all crap". |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:31:53 -0700, SFTV_troy
wrote: On Oct 2, 3:42 pm, wrote: As a whole, digital radio is a farce, offering poor reception (especially in moving vehicles), unnecessary extra channels (as if there aren't already enough radio stations)... There are not enough radio stations. Which is why some people can't find anything worth listening to, and complain "Today's radio is all crap". Utter ********. A thousand stations of crap is still crap. It is the dilution of funds by excessive quantity that prevents radio stations putting together a competent programme list, which takes money, money and more money. Fewer, better funded radio stations are the way to quality. And the first step to that is to remove all the radio stations which are simply record players. This goes in spades for ghetto radio, where the entire output is a single genre. And in spades and trumps for radio stations which push loathsome religious agendas. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 3, 2:22 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:49 am, RHF wrote: Use a common 'portable' AM & FM Shortwave Radio and Tune to a DRM Shortwave Radio Broadcast.http://www.drm.org/livebroadcast/livebroadcast.php Hear that Noise on both sides of the Tuned Frequency extending for +/- 10 kHz. That is the Digital Noise caused by the DRM Digital Broadcast Mode. This is "Why" many say DRM is QRM. ~ RHF - What's QRM? (checks wikipedia) - Does that mean "Man-made interference" SFTV -aka- "Hybrid Digital" Man, DOH ! - The "Q" Codes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_code Amateur Radio Speak http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_radio The Amateur Radio Q-Code http://www.qsl.net/w5www/qcode.html Amateur {Ham} Radio Think http://www.ac6v.com/opaids.htm - Wikipedia doesn't say what the negatives for DRM are. What Happens -IF- a Digital AM Signal and an Analogue AM Signal are in the Same Channel ? http://www.drm.org/newsevents/faqs/faq-023.php -Or- Adjacent Channel within +/- kHz ? ? ? -Answer- The impact on the Analog AM Signal of a Digital Signal in the Same Channel would be a Severe Increase in the Background Noise Level; that often obliterates the Analog AM Signal. http://www.drm.org/newsevents/faqs/faq-061.php Read about Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) Shortwave Radio Reception in New Zealand http://www.owdjim.gen.nz/chris/radio/DRM/ and now you know for now . . . ~ RHF |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On 2 okt, 14:11, SFTV_troy wrote:
Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? You forgot to mention a 3rd, FMeXtra : http://www.dreinc.com/ |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:31:53 -0700, SFTV_troy There are not enough radio stations. Which is why some people can't find anything worth listening to, and complain "Today's radio is all crap". Utter ********. A thousand stations of crap is still crap. It is the dilution of funds by excessive quantity that prevents radio stations putting together a competent programme list, which takes money Fewer, better funded radio stations are the way to quality. Is "quality" playing old Big Band music, Jazz, and Classical? Personally I'd call that, not crap, but definitely "boring". I like those genres, but I also like Pop, Rock, and Hip-hop on top of that. I like variety. Most people my age like variety, sampling a little of everything. I'd rather see lots and lots and lots of channels, and then let Darwinian Survival of the Fittest happen..... good channels survive, and bad channels starve & die. I prefer the invisible hand of the market, rather than the dictatorial control of someone saying, "Let's revoke some stations' licenses," because they think there are too many of them. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH
(AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER) PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 3, 5:54 am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH (AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER) PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR DROP THIS MESSAGE CONCERNS TO : "sftvratings_troy" -or- "sftv_troy" |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 3, 8:54 am, "Richard Crowley" wrote:
THIS DISCUSSION IS OFF-TOPIC FOR REC.AUDIO.TECH (AND REC.AUDIO.CAR, FOR THAT MATTER) PLEASE DROP REC.AUDIO.TECH FROM THIS DISCUSSION Please also drop rec.radio.shortwave. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 2, 9:55 am, "Frank Dresser" wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Can you demodulate DRM without a digital decoder? No, but it does have one advantage over HD Radio. DRM can be received with a standard computer (you just need the tuner to receive the signals). I've only heard the incessant hiss of full digital DRM. Is anybody broadcasting the combined DRM analog digital mix? Frank Dresser |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 4, 12:15 pm, "Frank Dresser"
wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 2, 9:55 am, "Frank Dresser" wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message roups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Can you demodulate DRM without a digital decoder? No, but it does have one advantage over HD Radio. DRM can be received with a standard computer (you just need the tuner to receive the signals). I've only heard the incessant hiss of full digital DRM. Is anybody broadcasting the combined DRM analog digital mix? Frank Dresser FD, Maybe in the Longwave and Medium Wave Bands because of Limited and Permenate Frequency Assignments. http://www.drm.org/livebroadcast/livebroadcast.php But I am not aware of any Shortwave (HF) DRM+Analog "Simulcasts". ~ RHF |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 2, 9:55 am, "Frank Dresser" wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Can you demodulate DRM without a digital decoder? No, but it does have one advantage over HD Radio. DRM can be received with a standard computer (you just need the tuner to receive the signals). I've only heard the incessant hiss of full digital DRM. Is anybody broadcasting the combined DRM analog digital mix? Frank Dresser Supposedly XEEP in Mexico City is testing by having analog on its licensed 1060 and DRM on 1070, per the local broadcaster association. I have heard no reports on how this is going, or for how long it is scheduled to go on. |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 4, 5:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 4, 1:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ? I am getting an IBOC Digital Signal Indicator -aka- the "Blinking Blue Light" from XEKTT on 1700 kHz ? - - - Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio XEKTT 1700 kHz - Tijuana, BCN Mexico Excellent Audio and ? BBL ? ~750 Miles http://www.am-dx.com/lists/082stat.htm http://www.cash1700.com/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEPE-AM Note - Listed as 10,000 Watts it sounds like a whole lot more to me {maybe 50 KW ?} Border area stations are authorized for HD, but did not believe 1700 had done it. The power is 10 kw day and 1 kw night. It's one of the Tijuana stations, like 1090 and 690, that truly keep to treaty notified power, per measurements done by an engineer in the market. The calls are XEPE now, and the website ishttp://www.cash1700.com/ If you get many Mexican stations, you may like to keep this link handy... Fred Cantú's very nice Mexico Radio & Television sitehttp://www.mexicoradiotv.com/ Did you earn a degree from him too? |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
David Eduardo wrote: "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 4, 1:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ? I am getting an IBOC Digital Signal Indicator -aka- the "Blinking Blue Light" from XEKTT on 1700 kHz ? - - - Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio XEKTT 1700 kHz - Tijuana, BCN Mexico Excellent Audio and ? BBL ? ~750 Miles http://www.am-dx.com/lists/082stat.htm http://www.cash1700.com/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEPE-AM Note - Listed as 10,000 Watts it sounds like a whole lot more to me {maybe 50 KW ?} Border area stations are authorized for HD, but did not believe 1700 had done it. The power is 10 kw day and 1 kw night. It's one of the Tijuana stations, like 1090 and 690, that truly keep to treaty notified power, per measurements done by an engineer in the market. The calls are XEPE now, and the website is http://www.cash1700.com/ If you get many Mexican stations, you may like to keep this link handy... Fred Cantú's very nice Mexico Radio & Television site http://www.mexicoradiotv.com/ So, what about that amateur license you claimed to have? |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
David Eduardo wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 2, 9:55 am, "Frank Dresser" wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Can you demodulate DRM without a digital decoder? No, but it does have one advantage over HD Radio. DRM can be received with a standard computer (you just need the tuner to receive the signals). I've only heard the incessant hiss of full digital DRM. Is anybody broadcasting the combined DRM analog digital mix? Frank Dresser Supposedly XEEP in Mexico City is testing by having analog on its licensed 1060 and DRM on 1070, per the local broadcaster association. I have heard no reports on how this is going, or for how long it is scheduled to go on. You're a pathological liar. No supposedly about it! |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
On Oct 4, 2:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 4, 1:12 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ? I am getting an IBOC Digital Signal Indicator -aka- the "Blinking Blue Light" from XEKTT on 1700 kHz ? - - - Radi-Osophy HD-100 Radio XEKTT 1700 kHz - Tijuana, BCN Mexico Excellent Audio and ? BBL ? ~750 Miles http://www.am-dx.com/lists/082stat.htm http://www.cash1700.com/index.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEPE-AM Note - Listed as 10,000 Watts it sounds like a whole lot more to me {maybe 50 KW ?} Border area stations are authorized for HD, but did not believe 1700 had done it. The power is 10 kw day and 1 kw night. It's one of the Tijuana stations, like 1090 and 690, that truly keep to treaty notified power, per measurements done by an engineer in the market. The calls are XEPE now, and the website ishttp://www.cash1700.com/ - - If you get many Mexican stations, you may like to keep this link handy... - Fred Cantú's very nice Mexico Radio & Television site - http://www.mexicoradiotv.com/ d'Eduardo - Thank You for the Link. ~ RHF . |
HD radio is not the only IBOC standard - DRM is also
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SFTV_troy wrote: Soundhaspriority wrote: "SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... Digital Radio Mondiale is also IBOC. (Designed to operate in analog/ digital mode for shortwave and AM, and soon FM.) Do you hate DR Mondiale too? I think the reaction you're getting is really due to 1. Reaction to the marketing hype, which in the case of Ibquity and DRM, is the bold faced lie of CD quality. 2. The way you promote the official position, as if you had a financial stake. Regardless of whether you're just a bored engeineer, or a marketing type lying his ass off, this is the way you come off. I see. Well I wrote roughly half of the criticisms section (and all of the HDR vs. EU DRM/DAB section) located he en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd_radio#Comparison_to_EU.27s_Digital_Radio ----- I have also posted quite a number of negative comments on this forum such as, "HD Radio AM should be banned from nighttime broadcasting, until circa 2015, at which time analog can be switched- off and HD can take over". Snip Maybe you should consider thinking over what you intend to post a few more nanoseconds. You might make more sense. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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