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[email protected] October 7th 07 12:34 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 5:22?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:


Is that bad news for Eduardo?


Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.


It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


That was your hope. Stop projecting your absurd ideas and feelings on
other people.


I am telling you the radio broadcast industry opinion, the opinion of the
major broadcasters who invested in iBiquity, the NAB, the FCC and many
others. All of us are concerned with the approaching obsolescence of AM...
even investors, as each AM decline will force potential write-downs of the
asset values of the goodwill of each AM.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


AM news/talk/sports is alive and well, it is the music FMs that are
screwwed because of other music media, such as iPods - IBNOC will not
help either band.


RHF October 7th 07 12:38 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 8:53 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...







Smokey wrote:


From QRZ.COM:


As of October 2, Citadel Broadcasting, the parent company of ABC Radio
network, has instructed all 10 of its AM affiliates who had already
converted to IBOC, to cease night time use of the digitial modulation
scheme, citing many complaints from listeners. Some complaints came from
listeners OF the IBOC-modulated stations, while others came from
listeners
of adjacent channel stations, that were being interferred with due to the
IBOC bandwidth. Citadel Director of Engineering Marty Stabbert, in a
memo
to his staff said, ""In response to the lackluster performance, the
limited
benefit and various reports of significant interference, Citadel is
suspending nighttime AM HD operations at this time. Please reinstate your
previous procedures for daytime-only HD operation as soon as possible."
Stabbert says he will attempt to work with Ibiquity, the company that
developed the wide-band digital AM modulation scheme to see if there is a
way to overcome the many problems encountered. Daytime IBOC for the
ABC
network affiliates is not affected at this time.


ABC & Citadel are much more intelligent broadcasters than are the folks at
Univision Radio.


There is no ABC radio; Citadel bought the ABC stations and operates the
network with rights to the name.


d'Eduardo - Where are you Numbers to Prove this Statement ? ~ RHF

[email protected] October 7th 07 12:41 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 5:33?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...





On Oct 6, 1:56?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message


...


wrote:


Is that bad news for Eduardo?


Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.


It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


"Because of lackluster performance, limited benefit, and reports of
significant interference to other stations, please reinstitute daytime-
only procedures for IBOC-AM...."


You forgot something, dirtbag!


No, nothing is forgotten. Without a technology advance, AM is on its way
out. When AM listening is now below 10% in many smaller markets, and does
not exceed 20% anywhere (SF, where the market definition is based on the
coverage of three AMs), the issue is that any inability to get HD going,
technically, via marketing, etc., has doomed the AM band in the US:- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Your whole industry will be obsolete in 15 years:

"AM, FM Radio Predicted to End in 15 Years"

"The next 15 years will be the demise of terrestrial radio as we know
it and the rise of the extraterrestrial," he said. Just as Vaudeville
gave way to movies and horses to the automobile, he said, radio will
be overtaken by gadgets that serve people's needs more efficiently."

http://tinyurl.com/345lck




Telamon October 7th 07 12:53 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

Is that bad news for Eduardo?

Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.

It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


That was your hope. Stop projecting your absurd ideas and feelings on
other people.


I am telling you the radio broadcast industry opinion, the opinion of the
major broadcasters who invested in iBiquity, the NAB, the FCC and many
others. All of us are concerned with the approaching obsolescence of AM...
even investors, as each AM decline will force potential write-downs of the
asset values of the goodwill of each AM.


You do not speak for the industry. You speak for yourself. This is your
opinion Mr. Pretender.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon October 7th 07 12:56 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"IBOCcrock" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 6, 1:56?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



wrote:

Is that bad news for Eduardo?

Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.

It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


You know Goddamn well this is bad news, because others surely will
follow - there is NOTHING iNiquity can do to change the laws of
physics - if ther ewas, something would have been done before Sept.
14th.


Then the bad news is for AM... its obsolescence is now assured. I'll bet, if
the night issue is either real or is not reparable, that a decent LA AM, for
example, has probably lost $8 to $10 million in stick value because of the
fact that there may be no future at all for them.


Nope, it's bad news for you. The AM stations affected by this last bad
night time experiment probably cost many money though.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon October 7th 07 12:56 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
In article .com,
Steve wrote:

On Oct 6, 5:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Oct 6, 1:56?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message


...


wrote:


Is that bad news for Eduardo?


Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.


It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


You know Goddamn well this is bad news, because others surely will
follow - there is NOTHING iNiquity can do to change the laws of
physics - if ther ewas, something would have been done before Sept.
14th.


Then the bad news is for AM... its obsolescence is now assured. I'll bet, if
the night issue is either real or is not reparable, that a decent LA AM, for
example, has probably lost $8 to $10 million in stick value because of the
fact that there may be no future at all for them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I'd rather listen to static than to your idiotic babble.


You noticed a difference?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon October 7th 07 12:57 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 6, 1:56?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...



wrote:

Is that bad news for Eduardo?

Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.

It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


"Because of lackluster performance, limited benefit, and reports of
significant interference to other stations, please reinstitute daytime-
only procedures for IBOC-AM...."

You forgot something, dirtbag!


No, nothing is forgotten. Without a technology advance, AM is on its way
out.


Snip

I think you are on your way out.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 02:48 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 6, 5:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message


If its obsolescence is assured, it's people like you who assured it.
You wasted valuable time giving AM a digital facelift when what it
needed was programming angioplasty.


There is no mass appeal programming other than talk that works on AM
because the quality sucks so badly for the ear of the last two generations
of Americans who came of age when FM was the dominant band. Any "solution"
that does not fix the audio problem is going to fail... and the US will go
the way of Canada, Austria, South Africa and many other nations where AM is
being reduced, phased out or eliminated. Even nations like Ecuador and Chile
and Panama have severely reduced the number of AMs over the last decade or
so, because they are irrelevant to anyone under 45 or 50.



David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 02:56 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Edtardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Awwww... poor little fake boy with the fake amateur license!


You are a jingoist xenophobe, who does not realize that in many places in
the world, particularly 40 to 50 years ago, a test was not a requirement
for
a ham license.


Absolutely pathological... there is no record of you ever having a valid
amateur
radio license!


There is no record of lots of things in less developed countries. So what?

When I was offered a general manager's job in Mexico City in the 70's, I
pointed out that I was not a born Mexican citizen, as the law required. The
owner said that this was not even a minor issue, and explained that many
equivalents of the county courthouse had burnt down, been destroyed, etc.,
since my date of birth, and he would find one; sworn statements by residents
of the locality would be accepted as proof of birth and, thus, citizenship.
Voila! Instant citizen.

Of course, you think that Ecuador had a test for ham licenses in the 60's.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha h. That's funny.



RHF October 7th 07 03:05 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 6:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Oct 6, 5:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message


If its obsolescence is assured, it's people like you who assured it.
You wasted valuable time giving AM a digital facelift when what it
needed was programming angioplasty.


There is no mass appeal programming other than talk that works on AM
because the quality sucks so badly for the ear of the last two generations
of Americans who came of age when FM was the dominant band. Any "solution"
that does not fix the audio problem is going to fail... and the US will go
the way of Canada, Austria, South Africa and many other nations where AM is
being reduced, phased out or eliminated. Even nations like Ecuador and Chile
and Panama have severely reduced the number of AMs over the last decade or
so, because they are irrelevant to anyone under 45 or 50.


d'Eduardo, and what-you-say is Irrelevant to anyone in
this Newsgroup over Age 50 to 55 and beyond. ~ RHF

David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 03:18 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
...

"David Eduardo" wrote in message
t...
Then the bad news is for AM... its obsolescence is now assured. I'll
bet, if

the night issue is either real or is not reparable, that a decent LA AM,
for example, has probably lost $8 to $10 million in stick value because
of the fact that there may be no future at all for them.


I still maintain that all AM plants should be sold to local owners that
actually WANT to do with the stations what is SUPPOSED to be done with
them. Serve the public interest!


In the LA area, stations like 830 and 930 are decent facilities, owned
locally. The first, bought for in excess of $40 million, is a money faucet
emptying into the ocean. 930 makes a little money, but not much.

Most AMs sold lately in the LA area, like 900, 1190, 1230, 1280, 1390, 1430,
1580, are brokered or brokered ethnic. Since none of these has a decent
signal, an issue you ignore, they can do nothing else.

Unless a station, whoever owns is, can cover its market, there will not be
enough listeners to sustain a quality operation. Eventually, you have to
accept that, local or owned by a Martian, a station has to get revenue to do
any format. A local AM format, which means talk, is horribly expensive and
can not be sustained long by inexperienced local operators... every bigger
broadcaster today started out as a local broadcaster. Only the good ones
survived and grew (our roots are with KGBT in Harlingen, TX, a 60-year
Spanish language broadcaster that always servid its communities) while the
majority, resold and someoene else gave it a stab.

There are 4000 different licensees for the stations in the US. No company
owns even 5% of all stations... nearly all are locally owned, and most of
the groups are some guy or woman who owns a couple of stations in a couple
of adjacent communities.

You can not serve any intrest if there is no income.

I would personally love to be able to operate a station this way, with
possibly a minimal profit, but in the public interest, as a public
service. And not narrowcast to only certain demographics. Small town
radio was done this way for many decades, and obviously was able to make a
profit and stay on the air.


And in big towns, there are so many staitons serving specific interests that
generalist staitons, tried over and over again by well meaning fools (who
are soon separated from all their money) get no listenership or so litttle
they do not produce any results for advertisers. It does not even work that
way in little places, like Prescott or Traverse City or Lake City or Manatí,
PR, any more.

The problem with radio in the US these days is it is done the same way the
Koreans do small businesses:

If one new business (say, a store selling cell phones) does well, then 10
or more duplicates show up (this happens often even in this small town).
Of course, the town can't support that many cell phone stores, so most of
them end up going out of business. US radio is doing precisely the same
thing: a format does OK, so you have several stations in a market that
pick up the same format. This makes none (or perhaps only one) really
profitable.


That was the case in the 50's into the 70's. Post consolidation, there are
more formats in every market than there ever were. An example I use often is
Cleveland, OH. 1960: 3 Top 40's, 3 MOR's and two R&B stations. No FM
listening at all. Today, there are 5 kinds of rock format alone, from
classic rock to alternative. There are several African American formats, a
hot AC and a soft AC, an oldies station, a country station, a sports
station, several talkers, a gospel station, a smooth jazz station, and
several more.

Generally, nobody goes after the same format any more... direct format
battles are no-win and costly, and you simply divide the existing audience
in two pieces. Stations look for niches, the holes between stations, and
fill them... giving a new alternative in the process. Since there are more
formats than stations in every market, only the most appealing get picked
up. HD offers the second tier of formats a home, and they can be successful
there.



Telamon October 7th 07 03:20 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Edtardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Awwww... poor little fake boy with the fake amateur license!


You are a jingoist xenophobe, who does not realize that in many places in
the world, particularly 40 to 50 years ago, a test was not a requirement
for
a ham license.


Absolutely pathological... there is no record of you ever having a valid
amateur
radio license!


There is no record of lots of things in less developed countries. So what?

When I was offered a general manager's job in Mexico City in the 70's, I
pointed out that I was not a born Mexican citizen, as the law required. The
owner said that this was not even a minor issue, and explained that many
equivalents of the county courthouse had burnt down, been destroyed, etc.,
since my date of birth, and he would find one; sworn statements by residents
of the locality would be accepted as proof of birth and, thus, citizenship.
Voila! Instant citizen.

Of course, you think that Ecuador had a test for ham licenses in the 60's.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha h. That's funny.


Would say you were easily amused? I would.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 03:27 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

I am telling you the radio broadcast industry opinion, the opinion of the
major broadcasters who invested in iBiquity, the NAB, the FCC and many
others. All of us are concerned with the approaching obsolescence of
AM...
even investors, as each AM decline will force potential write-downs of
the
asset values of the goodwill of each AM.


You do not speak for the industry. You speak for yourself. This is your
opinion Mr. Pretender.


The opinion of the need to make both AM and FM digital within the current
allocations is something stated by all the entities I mentioned. The general
feeling is that a separate AM solution would fail and AM would fail with it,
as no manufacturers would back a separate solution, while HD offered a piggy
back ride to AM into digital.

That's the FCC view in its rulings, the NAB position paper and the reason a
half-dozen major broadcasters invested in iBiquity to give it some seed
capital.



David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 03:32 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Would say you were easily amused? I would.


I find it amusing that a dxer who is so full of himself as to call himself
an "ace" in the hobby knows so little about the cultures and idiosyncrasies
of other nations. It makes me doubt he even DXes.



David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 05:51 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 

blitz wrote in message ...
David Eduardo writes...

Then the bad news is for AM... its obsolescence is now assured. I'll bet,
if
the night issue is either real or is not reparable, that a decent LA AM,
for
example, has probably lost $8 to $10 million in stick value because of the
fact that there may be no future at all for them.


Reconcile that with your stats about night coverage and ad buys... I
seem to recall you saying that (essentially) AM is about the daytime
listening. If that's true, what percentage of listeners would be
affected by losing HD at night?


In the more northern latitudes, like Chicago or Boston or New York, where
sunrishe happens half way into drive time b oth morning and afternoon, it
means literally all AM listeners are affected.



Steve October 7th 07 10:33 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 10:27 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message

...



I am telling you the radio broadcast industry opinion, the opinion of the
major broadcasters who invested in iBiquity, the NAB, the FCC and many
others. All of us are concerned with the approaching obsolescence of
AM...
even investors, as each AM decline will force potential write-downs of
the
asset values of the goodwill of each AM.


You do not speak for the industry. You speak for yourself. This is your
opinion Mr. Pretender.


The opinion of the need to make both AM and FM digital within the current
allocations is something stated by all the entities I mentioned.


Okay. Fine. They've "stated" it. Wow.

The general
feeling is that a separate AM solution would fail and AM would fail with it,


Okay. Fine. They have a "feeling". Big deal.

as no manufacturers would back a separate solution, while HD offered a piggy
back ride to AM into digital.


A piggy back ride into oblivion is hardly going to help the situation.


That's the FCC view in its rulings, the NAB position paper and the reason a
half-dozen major broadcasters invested in iBiquity to give it some seed
capital.


They invested in iNiquity in order to make money...in order to make a
lot of money at the expense of the listening public, the idea being
that after AM fails they'll have made their money and all will be
well.



Steve October 7th 07 10:37 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 10:18 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:


You can not serve any intrest if there is no income.


You're not serving anyone's interest as it is. In fact, the more money
people like you make the less the public interest is served.


Steve October 7th 07 10:39 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 5:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message

ups.com...





On Oct 6, 1:56?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message


...


wrote:


Is that bad news for Eduardo?


Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.


It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


You know Goddamn well this is bad news, because others surely will
follow - there is NOTHING iNiquity can do to change the laws of
physics - if ther ewas, something would have been done before Sept.
14th.


Then the bad news is for AM... its obsolescence is now assured. I'll bet, if
the night issue is either real or is not reparable, that a decent LA AM, for
example, has probably lost $8 to $10 million in stick value because of the
fact that there may be no future at all for them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


On the contrary. It now at least has some chance of survival, no
thanks to corporate stooges such as yourself.


Steve October 7th 07 10:40 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 5:33 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...





On Oct 6, 1:56?pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message


...


wrote:


Is that bad news for Eduardo?


Just getting up in the morning and having to fake it through another
day
is bad
news for 'Eduardo'.


It's not good or bad news. It is one company which wants to further study
and maybe request modifications of night HD. What the bad news is has to
do
with the declining and ageing listenership of AM... HD was a hope that
had a
slim chance of reversing this.


"Because of lackluster performance, limited benefit, and reports of
significant interference to other stations, please reinstitute daytime-
only procedures for IBOC-AM...."


You forgot something, dirtbag!


No, nothing is forgotten. Without a technology advance, AM is on its way
out. When AM listening is now below 10% in many smaller markets, and does
not exceed 20% anywhere (SF, where the market definition is based on the
coverage of three AMs), the issue is that any inability to get HD going,
technically, via marketing, etc., has doomed the AM band in the US:- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


The operative word here is "advance". What you're proposing is a
technological retreat that would condemn AM to a rapid, painful death.


Steve October 7th 07 10:42 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 9:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Oct 6, 5:26 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"IBOCcrock" wrote in message


If its obsolescence is assured, it's people like you who assured it.
You wasted valuable time giving AM a digital facelift when what it
needed was programming angioplasty.


There is no mass appeal programming other than talk that works on AM
because the quality sucks so badly for the ear of the last two generations
of Americans who came of age when FM was the dominant band. Any "solution"
that does not fix the audio problem is going to fail... and the US will go
the way of Canada, Austria, South Africa and many other nations where AM is
being reduced, phased out or eliminated. Even nations like Ecuador and Chile
and Panama have severely reduced the number of AMs over the last decade or
so, because they are irrelevant to anyone under 45 or 50.


Talk is a broad category. There is good talk and there is bad talk. I
suggest you try to master the distinction.

You'll say anything to promote the agenda of your corporate masters.


Steve October 7th 07 10:43 AM

ABC pulls plug on nightime IBOC
 
On Oct 6, 9:56 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...







David Edtardo wrote:


"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Awwww... poor little fake boy with the fake amateur license!


You are a jingoist xenophobe, who does not realize that in many places in
the world, particularly 40 to 50 years ago, a test was not a requirement
for
a ham license.


Absolutely pathological... there is no record of you ever having a valid
amateur
radio license!


There is no record of lots of things in less developed countries. So what?

When I was offered a general manager's job in Mexico City in the 70's, I
pointed out that I was not a born Mexican citizen, as the law required. The
owner said that this was not even a minor issue, and explained that many
equivalents of the county courthouse had burnt down, been destroyed, etc.,
since my date of birth, and he would find one; sworn statements by residents
of the locality would be accepted as proof of birth and, thus, citizenship.
Voila! Instant citizen.

Of course, you think that Ecuador had a test for ham licenses in the 60's.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha h. That's funny.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You're lying. You've lied about your name, your job title, your
ethnicity and your academic background. And now we're supposed to
believe you about your ham license? Lol.


dxAce October 7th 07 12:38 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Edtardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Awwww... poor little fake boy with the fake amateur license!


You are a jingoist xenophobe, who does not realize that in many places in
the world, particularly 40 to 50 years ago, a test was not a requirement
for
a ham license.


Absolutely pathological... there is no record of you ever having a valid
amateur
radio license!


There is no record of lots of things in less developed countries. So what?

When I was offered a general manager's job in Mexico City in the 70's, I
pointed out that I was not a born Mexican citizen, as the law required. The
owner said that this was not even a minor issue, and explained that many
equivalents of the county courthouse had burnt down, been destroyed, etc.,
since my date of birth, and he would find one; sworn statements by residents
of the locality would be accepted as proof of birth and, thus, citizenship.


So... Mexicans lie as much as you do? Sounds like your kind of country, oh faux
one!



dxAce October 7th 07 12:51 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Would say you were easily amused? I would.


I find it amusing that a dxer who is so full of himself as to call himself
an "ace" in the hobby knows so little about the cultures and idiosyncrasies
of other nations. It makes me doubt he even DXes.


Even if I DX one day a year I'm DX'ing more than you!

LMFAO at the Mo Faux.



David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 03:55 PM

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"Steve" wrote in message
ps.com...


Talk is a broad category. There is good talk and there is bad talk. I
suggest you try to master the distinction.


It's all migrating to FM, anyway.

You'll say anything to promote the agenda of your corporate masters.


There is no agenda... our FMs outnumber AMs 5 to 1



RHF October 7th 07 04:02 PM

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On Oct 7, 7:55 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...



Talk is a broad category. There is good talk and there is bad talk. I
suggest you try to master the distinction.


It's all migrating to FM, anyway.



You'll say anything to promote the agenda of your corporate masters.


- There is no agenda... our FMs outnumber AMs 5 to 1

d'Eduardo - The "FM" You Say ! ~ RHF

David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 04:04 PM

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"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,


Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names. Common
practice,

your job title,


NAB made a mistake in the title on a convention program on tehe web... big
deal.

your
ethnicity


Ethnoically, I am Irish & Celt.

("Hispanic" is not an ethnicity)

and your academic background.


It's perfectly clear.

And now we're supposed to
believe you about your ham license? Lo


Well, as long as idiots like you think there ewas a license test, it does
not matter. When you could get a major market commercial FM license in a
day, with nothing more than a letter requesting it, how hard could a ham
license have been?



dxAce October 7th 07 04:11 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,


Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names.


Oh please, post that baptismal certificate on your website!

Common
practice,

your job title,


NAB made a mistake in the title on a convention program on tehe web... big
deal.

your
ethnicity


Ethnoically, I am Irish & Celt.

("Hispanic" is not an ethnicity)

and your academic background.


It's perfectly clear.

And now we're supposed to
believe you about your ham license? Lo


Well, as long as idiots like you think there ewas a license test, it does
not matter. When you could get a major market commercial FM license in a
day, with nothing more than a letter requesting it, how hard could a ham
license have been?


Obviously to hard for you to obtain because it never existed!



Steve October 7th 07 04:17 PM

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On Oct 7, 10:55 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

ps.com...



Talk is a broad category. There is good talk and there is bad talk. I
suggest you try to master the distinction.


It's all migrating to FM, anyway.



Good. Then there's no need for you to concern yourself with it any
further.




You'll say anything to promote the agenda of your corporate masters.


There is no agenda... our FMs outnumber AMs 5 to 1


Oh, I didn't realize that Univision is a non-profit organization.


dxAce October 7th 07 04:19 PM

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dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,


Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names.


Oh please, post that baptismal certificate on your website!


What, Hose-A hasn't delivered it yet you say? You'd better get him moving on
that faux document!

LMFAO



Steve October 7th 07 04:20 PM

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On Oct 7, 11:04 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

oups.com...



You're lying. You've lied about your name,


Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names. Common
practice,



Yup. You've lied about it repeatedly.


your job title,


NAB made a mistake in the title on a convention program on tehe web... big
deal.


They wrote down what you told them. How is that a mistake?


your
ethnicity


Ethnoically, I am Irish & Celt.



Then why were you attempting to make everyone believe you're something
else?


("Hispanic" is not an ethnicity)



Correct. "Hispanic" is a word.


and your academic background.


It's perfectly clear.


It is clear, but certainly no thanks to you.


And now we're supposed to
believe you about your ham license? Lo


Well, as long as idiots like you think there ewas a license test, it does
not matter. When you could get a major market commercial FM license in a
day, with nothing more than a letter requesting it, how hard could a ham
license have been?


Hard enough to prevent you from getting one, apparently.


dxAce October 7th 07 04:39 PM

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David Frackelton Gleason, still trying to make it with the 'Eduardo' shtick,
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,


Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names.


So, were you 'baptized' in 1999 or 2000? That seems to be the point according to
all known records when you began with the 'Eduardo' shtick.



David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 05:46 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, still trying to make it with the 'Eduardo'
shtick,
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,


Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names.


So, were you 'baptized' in 1999 or 2000? That seems to be the point
according to
all known records when you began with the 'Eduardo' shtick.


It's on my first CDL from 1992, and every one since; it was my name on CIS
in the mid-80's



dxAce October 7th 07 05:55 PM

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David Frackelton Gleason, took a long pause and tried to dream up something new
and wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, still trying to make it with the 'Eduardo'
shtick,
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,

Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names.


So, were you 'baptized' in 1999 or 2000? That seems to be the point
according to
all known records when you began with the 'Eduardo' shtick.


It's on my first CDL from 1992, and every one since; it was my name on CIS
in the mid-80's


So please, post that certificate and your CDL on your website!







dxAce October 7th 07 05:57 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Frackelton Gleason, still trying to make it with the 'Eduardo'
shtick,
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,

Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names.


So, were you 'baptized' in 1999 or 2000? That seems to be the point
according to
all known records when you began with the 'Eduardo' shtick.


It's on my first CDL from 1992, and every one since; it was my name on CIS
in the mid-80's


Are you waiting to have Hose-A deliver that faux CDL as well?



[email protected] October 7th 07 06:56 PM

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I never was baptized.I was only borned in my grandpappy's big old house
on Main Street in Carthage,Mississippi on December 5,1941 and I have my
birth certificate to prove it too.Catty corner across the street from
the old now defunct Mann Ford dealership.When I was a kid about three or
four years old , I stuck a cat's head in a quart glass bottle.I still
remember one of those guys from the car dealership coming over to our
front yard with a hammer and breaking that glass jar so the cat could
get out.Every year the Ford car dealership gave me a little metal model
car.
cuhulin


Telamon October 7th 07 07:16 PM

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

Would say you were easily amused? I would.


I find it amusing that a dxer who is so full of himself as to call himself
an "ace" in the hobby knows so little about the cultures and idiosyncrasies
of other nations. It makes me doubt he even DXes.


You don't get much right do you. Interesting that the stuff you just
make up out of thin air amuses you... but come on and level with us
Eduardo, tells us what really amuses you. I think it is lying and
getting us to believe it. That is what amuses you. Come on admit it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon October 7th 07 07:21 PM

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In article ,
dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Edtardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Awwww... poor little fake boy with the fake amateur license!


You are a jingoist xenophobe, who does not realize that in many places in
the world, particularly 40 to 50 years ago, a test was not a requirement
for
a ham license.

Absolutely pathological... there is no record of you ever having a valid
amateur
radio license!


There is no record of lots of things in less developed countries. So what?

When I was offered a general manager's job in Mexico City in the 70's, I
pointed out that I was not a born Mexican citizen, as the law required. The
owner said that this was not even a minor issue, and explained that many
equivalents of the county courthouse had burnt down, been destroyed, etc.,
since my date of birth, and he would find one; sworn statements by residents
of the locality would be accepted as proof of birth and, thus, citizenship.
Voila! Instant citizen.


Voila! Instant fake.

LMFAO


Wow, looks like a fine start to a carrier. The problem now is as you
have found out that you have to keep lying from that point on building
an ever larger house of cards. The pressure on you must be enormous.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon October 7th 07 07:27 PM

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In article ,
dxAce wrote:

David Frackelton Gleason, still trying to make it with the 'Eduardo' shtick,
wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

You're lying. You've lied about your name,


Nope. I have a name given at baptism in addition to birth names.


So, were you 'baptized' in 1999 or 2000? That seems to be the point according
to
all known records when you began with the 'Eduardo' shtick.


I'm not sure the baptism was done right. I'm volunteering to re-baptize
you in the Rio Grande / Rio Bravo del Norte so your dual identity is
assured.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

RHF October 7th 07 07:50 PM

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On Oct 6, 6:44 am, "Smokey" wrote:
From QRZ.COM:

As of October 2, Citadel Broadcasting, the parent company of ABC Radio
network, has instructed all 10 of its AM affiliates who had already
converted to IBOC, to cease night time use of the digitial modulation
scheme, citing many complaints from listeners. Some complaints came from
listeners OF the IBOC-modulated stations, while others came from listeners
of adjacent channel stations, that were being interferred with due to the
IBOC bandwidth. Citadel Director of Engineering Marty Stabbert, in a memo
to his staff said, ""In response to the lackluster performance, the limited
benefit and various reports of significant interference, Citadel is
suspending nighttime AM HD operations at this time. Please reinstate your
previous procedures for daytime-only HD operation as soon as possible."
Stabbert says he will attempt to work with Ibiquity, the company that
developed the wide-band digital AM modulation scheme to see if there is a
way to overcome the many problems encountered. Daytime IBOC for the ABC
network affiliates is not affected at this time.


A REMINDER TO ALL -WRT- "HD" RADIO

There Is a "HD Radio" NewsGroup
HD RADIO = http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/
Description: This is a Group for discussing HD Radio, it's
viability in the market place, HD Radios & Receivers and
Technology, Programming, Reception, and in general
anything concerning HD Radio that shouldn't be clogging
up other NewsGroups, like Rec.Radio.Shortwave.

For anyone who is looking for an "HD" Radio Group that
is Moderated -or- Simply NOT Rec.Radio.Shortwave

Here is a List of Yahoo Groups that have something
to do with "HD" Radio News and Information.
HD RADIO = http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=HD+Radio
* HDRadio
* HD-Radio
* HD-Radio-Engineering
* Accurian HD Radio {RadioShack}
* High Defination Radio

Plus here is a List of Yahoo Groups that have something
to do with "IBOC" {HD Radio} News and Information.
http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=IBOC
* HD-Radio-Engineering
* Sangean HDT1 "HD" Radio Tuner
* NO2IBOC = Just Say "NO" To IBOC !
* DRM IBOC HDRadio = DRM and HD Radio Forum
* AMStereoOnly = AM Stereo Only ! - Where Digital Is Dead !

FWIW - Here is another HD Radio Forum {NewsGroup}
AVS Forum Digital Video & Audio Devices HD Radio
HD RADIO = http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=154
Some Good Info Here and It is Free for the Reading :o)

And Once Again The Aforementioned "HDRadio" NewsGroup
HDRADIO=http://groups.google.com/group/hd-radio/

hy dee ray dee oh ~ RHF

David Eduardo[_4_] October 7th 07 08:03 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


It's on my first CDL from 1992, and every one since; it was my name on
CIS
in the mid-80's


So please, post that certificate and your CDL on your website!


Would you like my bank account numbers, too?




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