OT I think (& I am)
 

I think little Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have
ever had.

When I think of all the lives lost as compared to just staying out of the
mess.
Those people have been fighting from BC and they have not slowed down yet.
If we had stayed out there would have been just as many of "them" dead from
their own people as we have killed.

And don't say nothing about "Blackhawk" they do what has to be done and they
ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

Proud to be,

Just plan Burr

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"Burr" wrote in message
...
I think little Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have
ever had.

When I think of all the lives lost as compared to just staying out of the
mess.
Those people have been fighting from BC and they have not slowed down yet.
If we had stayed out there would have been just as many of "them" dead
from their own people as we have killed.

And don't say nothing about "Blackwater" they do what has to be done and
they ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

Proud to be,

Just plan Burr

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On Oct 13, 5:59 am, "Burr" wrote:
I think little Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have
ever had.

When I think of all the lives lost as compared to just staying out of the
mess.
Those people have been fighting from BC and they have not slowed down yet.
If we had stayed out there would have been just as many of "them" dead from
their own people as we have killed.

And don't say nothing about "Blackhawk" they do what has to be done and they
ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

Proud to be,

Just plan Burr


Agree . . .

Little article from " Stars & Stripes" below

http://stripes.com/article.asp?secti...&article=49460

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" wrote:

On Oct 13, 5:59 am, "Burr" wrote:
I think little Bush will go down in history as the worst president we have
ever had.

When I think of all the lives lost as compared to just staying out of the
mess.
Those people have been fighting from BC and they have not slowed down yet.
If we had stayed out there would have been just as many of "them" dead from
their own people as we have killed.

And don't say nothing about "Blackhawk" they do what has to be done and they
ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

Proud to be,

Just plan Burr

Agree . . .

Little article from " Stars & Stripes" below

http://stripes.com/article.asp?secti...&article=49460

The founder of Blackwater is from right here in my little town.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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Yep, I knew that, dxAce.I saw an article on the internet almost a week
ago about that.Blackwater is wanting to start up another training camp
near a small town in California.
cuhulin

OT I think (& I am)
 

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

" wrote:

On Oct 13, 5:59 am, "Burr" wrote:
I think little Bush will go down in history as the worst
president we have ever had.

When I think of all the lives lost as compared to just staying
out of the mess. Those people have been fighting from BC and they
have not slowed down yet. If we had stayed out there would have
been just as many of "them" dead from their own people as we have
killed.

And don't say nothing about "Blackhawk" they do what has to be
done and they ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

Snip

The problem with this thinking is that the terrorists have an agenda
that includes killing innocent Americans so the Bush made the choice to
bring the fight to them in Afghanistan and Iraq. If he sat back like
Clinton did the terrorists would be killing more innocent people on this
continent after 9/11. There is no choice to fight because given the
chance they will kill us.

Well, there is one other option and that is for the country to
capitulate and everyone convert to the Muslim faith. You like that
choice?

You will notice that the war of aggression worked well but the aftermath
of getting a democratic regime on its feet is a different problem
because it depends on the Iraqis. There is not much you can do to plan
another peoples success.

Has anyone been listening to the Iranian propaganda on SW?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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Telamon wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:

" wrote:

On Oct 13, 5:59 am, "Burr" wrote:
I think little Bush will go down in history as the worst
president we have ever had.

When I think of all the lives lost as compared to just staying
out of the mess. Those people have been fighting from BC and they
have not slowed down yet. If we had stayed out there would have
been just as many of "them" dead from their own people as we have
killed.

And don't say nothing about "Blackhawk" they do what has to be
done and they ARE GOOD PEOPLE!

Snip

The problem with this thinking is that the terrorists have an agenda
that includes killing innocent Americans so the Bush made the choice to
bring the fight to them in Afghanistan and Iraq. If he sat back like
Clinton did the terrorists would be killing more innocent people on this
continent after 9/11. There is no choice to fight because given the
chance they will kill us.

Well, there is one other option and that is for the country to
capitulate and everyone convert to the Muslim faith. You like that
choice?

You will notice that the war of aggression worked well but the aftermath
of getting a democratic regime on its feet is a different problem
because it depends on the Iraqis. There is not much you can do to plan
another peoples success.

Has anyone been listening to the Iranian propaganda on SW?

Not for sometime, but they did send me a nice picture of Ayatollah Khomeini.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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"Telamon"

The problem with this thinking is that the terrorists have an agenda
that includes killing innocent Americans so the Bush made the choice to
bring the fight to them in Afghanistan and Iraq. If he sat back like
Clinton did the terrorists would be killing more innocent people on this
continent after 9/11. There is no choice to fight because given the
chance they will kill us.

Well, there is one other option and that is for the country to
capitulate and everyone convert to the Muslim faith. You like that
choice?

You will notice that the war of aggression worked well but the aftermath
of getting a democratic regime on its feet is a different problem
because it depends on the Iraqis. There is not much you can do to plan
another peoples success.

Has anyone been listening to the Iranian propaganda on SW?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I understand what you are saying and I wish I could totally agree but, we
have lost so many Americans and "I think" we were lead into this war by lies
of WMD.

It's just very hard to trust or believe in someone who may be lying to us.

IF, we close our borders to all the lying trash that is coming in to America
and start responding to people who want to do us harm.
We have our nose in every countries business when we can't take care of out
own.

I can be hard line.

Burr

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"Burr" wrote in message
...



I understand what you are saying and I wish I could totally agree but, we
have lost so many Americans and "I think" we were lead into this war by
lies of WMD.

It's just very hard to trust or believe in someone who may be lying to us.

IF, we close our borders to all the lying trash that is coming in to
America and start responding to people who want to do us harm.
We have our nose in every countries business when we can't take care of
out own.

I can be hard line.

Burr


Remember NAM, we could have won that war in five minutes anytime we wanted
to BUT, we threw away all those American lives.

I was there!

Burr

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In article ,
"Burr" wrote:

"Telamon"

The problem with this thinking is that the terrorists have an agenda
that includes killing innocent Americans so the Bush made the choice to
bring the fight to them in Afghanistan and Iraq. If he sat back like
Clinton did the terrorists would be killing more innocent people on this
continent after 9/11. There is no choice to fight because given the
chance they will kill us.

Well, there is one other option and that is for the country to
capitulate and everyone convert to the Muslim faith. You like that
choice?

You will notice that the war of aggression worked well but the aftermath
of getting a democratic regime on its feet is a different problem
because it depends on the Iraqis. There is not much you can do to plan
another peoples success.

Has anyone been listening to the Iranian propaganda on SW?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

I understand what you are saying and I wish I could totally agree but, we
have lost so many Americans and "I think" we were lead into this war by lies
of WMD.

It's just very hard to trust or believe in someone who may be lying to us.

IF, we close our borders to all the lying trash that is coming in to America
and start responding to people who want to do us harm.
We have our nose in every countries business when we can't take care of out
own.

I can be hard line.

You know who I instinctively distrust? It's liberals. Those people will
say anything to make a point and that's where this lying idea came from.

Ask yourself, logically, does it really make sense that the Bush
administration would lie about the prewar intel? Do you remember what
the turn coat liberals in congress said prewar?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon"


If the election where held today who would you vote for/

I understand it's a long way to election but I just wondering.

Burr

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On Oct 13, 6:05 pm, "Burr" wrote:
"Telamon"

If the election where held today who would you vote for/

I understand it's a long way to election but I just wondering.

Burr

AbBH ! ~ RHF

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"Burr" wrote:

I understand what you are saying and I wish I could totally agree
but, we have lost so many Americans and "I think" we were lead into
this war by lies of WMD.

Don't be apologetic; you are absolutely right!

Telamon wrote:

Ask yourself, logically, does it really make sense that the Bush
administration would lie about the prewar intel?

Well, YES it does...many admit the facts were twisted (remember Colin
Powell?), and being in fear of their careers, they told the boss what he
wanted to hear.

NO yellowcake (admitted to by everybody)

NO WMD (admitted to by Bush on national TV)

NO Al-quaida tie-in (admitted to by Chaney on national TV)

"Saddam is a bad guy" -- So what? The world is full of bad guys, and
Saddam's been dead for a couple of years anyway.

Bottom line: The WRONG war in the WRONG country for the WRONG reasons.

Thousands of Americans dead, ten thousand Americans mutilated, half a
TRILLION(!) U.S. dollars down the drain, a -sovereign- nation utterly
trashed for no reason, every retired General saying it's a crock of
****, no end in sight.

So, please, tell me why we are there...

P.S. Use your cowardly Plonk on me if you must, but just remember that
Burr started this thread and I am only responding (just as you did). :-)

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"Billy Burpelson"
P.S. Use your cowardly Plonk on me if you must, but just remember that
Burr started this thread and I am only responding (just as you did). :-)


Hey, I said it was off topic when I started it.

Say your piece, you're right.

Burr
PS: Check my smelling and sentence structure while you're at it, TIA

OT I think (& I am)
 

In article ,
"Burr" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Burr" wrote:

"Telamon"


If the election where held today who would you vote for/

I understand it's a long way to election but I just wondering.

I'll vote for the most conservative person running.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

OK, at this time who is that??

It's time we all start thinking ahead.

I don't have anyone in mind yet.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

OT I think (& I am)
 

In article ,
Billy Burpelson wrote:

"Burr" wrote:

I understand what you are saying and I wish I could totally agree
but, we have lost so many Americans and "I think" we were lead into
this war by lies of WMD.

Don't be apologetic; you are absolutely right!

Telamon wrote:

Ask yourself, logically, does it really make sense that the Bush
administration would lie about the prewar intel?

Well, YES it does...many admit the facts were twisted (remember Colin
Powell?), and being in fear of their careers, they told the boss what he
wanted to hear.


NO yellowcake (admitted to by everybody)

NO WMD (admitted to by Bush on national TV)

NO Al-quaida tie-in (admitted to by Chaney on national TV)

"Saddam is a bad guy" -- So what? The world is full of bad guys, and
Saddam's been dead for a couple of years anyway.

Bottom line: The WRONG war in the WRONG country for the WRONG reasons.

Thousands of Americans dead, ten thousand Americans mutilated, half a
TRILLION(!) U.S. dollars down the drain, a -sovereign- nation utterly
trashed for no reason, every retired General saying it's a crock of
****, no end in sight.

So, please, tell me why we are there...

P.S. Use your cowardly Plonk on me if you must, but just remember that
Burr started this thread and I am only responding (just as you did). :-)

There is nothing I can do to solve your lack of intelligence or
ignorance. You did not respond like I did as what you posted is total
partizan motivated ignorance.

There is no excuse for what you posted as you have have an Internet
connection and radios just like I do and so have the ability to do your
own research just as I have done but you don't due to lack of any
ability to comprehend what you read or you have just decided to believe
in the liberal agenda and behave as a useful idiot.

I'll just post links two example links to the "NO yellowcake (admitted
to by everybody) comment above as an example for you to follow.

Conservative link
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/..._of_yellow.htm
l

Liberal link
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0624-09.htm

So you see conservatives and liberals agree that after we rolled through
Iraq it was found that many drums of yellow cake were around an old
reactor site that the Israelis bombed years ago. During the active part
of the war apparently the Iraqis dumped those barrels over in order to
find out if something valuable was in the restricted site just like any
ammo dump, businesses were looted.

But you are way to stupid to find these things out for yourself. It's
easier to write ignorant posts to Usenet.

Now go figure out how the other comments you made above are on an even
greater level of self delusion if you can.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

OT I think (& I am)
 

Russia removed some WMDS from Iraq.(look around at www.softwar.net) I
once read that there still are some WMDs in Iraq.
cuhulin

OT I think (& I am)
 

In article ,
Billy Burpelson wrote:

"Burr" wrote:

I understand what you are saying and I wish I could totally agree
but, we have lost so many Americans and "I think" we were lead into
this war by lies of WMD.
Don't be apologetic; you are absolutely right!

Telamon wrote:

Ask yourself, logically, does it really make sense that the Bush
administration would lie about the prewar intel?

Well, YES it does...many admit the facts were twisted (remember Colin
Powell?), and being in fear of their careers, they told the boss what he
wanted to hear.

NO yellowcake (admitted to by everybody)

NO WMD (admitted to by Bush on national TV)

NO Al-quaida tie-in (admitted to by Chaney on national TV)

"Saddam is a bad guy" -- So what? The world is full of bad guys, and
Saddam's been dead for a couple of years anyway.

Bottom line: The WRONG war in the WRONG country for the WRONG reasons.

Thousands of Americans dead, ten thousand Americans mutilated, half a
TRILLION(!) U.S. dollars down the drain, a -sovereign- nation utterly
trashed for no reason, every retired General saying it's a crock of
****, no end in sight.

So, please, tell me why we are there...

P.S. Use your cowardly Plonk on me if you must, but just remember that
Burr started this thread and I am only responding (just as you did). :-)

Telamon wrote:

There is nothing I can do to solve your lack of intelligence or
ignorance. You did not respond like I did as what you posted is total
partizan motivated ignorance.


I'll just post links two example links to the "NO yellowcake (admitted
to by everybody) comment above as an example for you to follow.

Conservative link
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/..._of_yellow.htm
l

Liberal link
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0624-09.htm

So you see conservatives and liberals agree that after we rolled through
Iraq it was found that many drums of yellow cake were around an old
reactor site that the Israelis bombed years ago.


Well, your statement above seems to be a bit feeble minded.

I was not speaking of yellow cake from "an old reactor site that the
Israelis bombed years ago" Even your conservative link says: "These
issues are somewhat *separate* [emphasis added] from the
Plame—Wilson—Rove dust up.", which is what I WAS referring to. When
people refer to Iraq and yellow cake, especially in the context of "war
excuses", it is about the Niger fraud that W used as an excuse for the
war, not something from "years ago". No one is saying Iraq never had any
yellow cake in the country years ago. The Niger yellow cake issue/excuse
was clearly proven fraudulent and a sloppy fraud at that. [as also
stated in your conservative link]

And in case you've already forgotten, the topic was "excuses for the
war", not something that happened "years ago". Please try and pay
attention. It seems the "ignorant one" is turning out to be YOU.

Now go figure out how the other comments you made above are on an even
greater level of self delusion if you can.

No, I think I will stand by my quotes of the comments that *W and
Cheney* made on national TV. Also the death and mutilation figures are
quoted accurately, a sovereign nation WAS trashed and the "dollars
spent" figures are all accurate. Finally, haven't you heard General
Sanchez's statement from a day or two ago?

Sorry you think those TRUE statements are "delusional" -- but I wouldn't
expect any less from a senile old fool...

OT I think (& I am)
 

In article ,
Billy Burpelson wrote:

In article ,
Billy Burpelson wrote:

"Burr" wrote:

I understand what you are saying and I wish I could totally agree
but, we have lost so many Americans and "I think" we were lead into
this war by lies of WMD.
Don't be apologetic; you are absolutely right!

Telamon wrote:

Ask yourself, logically, does it really make sense that the Bush
administration would lie about the prewar intel?

Well, YES it does...many admit the facts were twisted (remember Colin
Powell?), and being in fear of their careers, they told the boss what he
wanted to hear.

NO yellowcake (admitted to by everybody)

NO WMD (admitted to by Bush on national TV)

NO Al-quaida tie-in (admitted to by Chaney on national TV)

"Saddam is a bad guy" -- So what? The world is full of bad guys, and
Saddam's been dead for a couple of years anyway.

Bottom line: The WRONG war in the WRONG country for the WRONG reasons.

Thousands of Americans dead, ten thousand Americans mutilated, half a
TRILLION(!) U.S. dollars down the drain, a -sovereign- nation utterly
trashed for no reason, every retired General saying it's a crock of
****, no end in sight.

So, please, tell me why we are there...

P.S. Use your cowardly Plonk on me if you must, but just remember that
Burr started this thread and I am only responding (just as you did). :-)

Telamon wrote:

There is nothing I can do to solve your lack of intelligence or
ignorance. You did not respond like I did as what you posted is total
partizan motivated ignorance.


I'll just post links two example links to the "NO yellowcake (admitted
to by everybody) comment above as an example for you to follow.

Conservative link
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/..._of_yellow.htm
l

Liberal link
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0624-09.htm

So you see conservatives and liberals agree that after we rolled through
Iraq it was found that many drums of yellow cake were around an old
reactor site that the Israelis bombed years ago.


Well, your statement above seems to be a bit feeble minded.

I was not speaking of yellow cake from "an old reactor site that the
Israelis bombed years ago" Even your conservative link says: "These
issues are somewhat *separate* [emphasis added] from the
Plame‹Wilson‹Rove dust up.", which is what I WAS referring to. When
people refer to Iraq and yellow cake, especially in the context of "war
excuses", it is about the Niger fraud that W used as an excuse for the
war, not something from "years ago". No one is saying Iraq never had any
yellow cake in the country years ago. The Niger yellow cake issue/excuse
was clearly proven fraudulent and a sloppy fraud at that. [as also
stated in your conservative link]

And in case you've already forgotten, the topic was "excuses for the
war", not something that happened "years ago". Please try and pay
attention. It seems the "ignorant one" is turning out to be YOU.

I'm supposed to read your mind? Sure thing, nice doge. Not.

Now go figure out how the other comments you made above are on an even
greater level of self delusion if you can.

No, I think I will stand by my quotes of the comments that *W and
Cheney* made on national TV. Also the death and mutilation figures are
quoted accurately, a sovereign nation WAS trashed and the "dollars
spent" figures are all accurate. Finally, haven't you heard General
Sanchez's statement from a day or two ago?

Sorry you think those TRUE statements are "delusional" -- but I wouldn't
expect any less from a senile old fool...

Those are ignorant comments. You are a nut case to the where the
description delusional does not cover the extent of your mental illness.

Do continue to live in your fantasy world.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

OT I think (& I am)
 

Telamon wrote:


And in case you've already forgotten, the topic was "excuses for the
war", not something that happened "years ago". Please try and pay
attention. It seems the "ignorant one" is turning out to be YOU.

I'm supposed to read your mind? Sure thing, nice doge. Not.

Nah, you're not supposed to read my mind. You ARE supposed to read the
CONTEXT. The topic was : "Excuses for the war". In THAT context,
everyone (except possibly you), realizes the yellow cake reference is
recent, as in "context", as in "used as a 'reason' for the war", not
something that happened 20(?) years ago.

No mind reading necessary. Just pay attention to context.

BTW, nice "doge" on your part (although I believe you meant "dodge"). I
only mention this because you are the one always accusing others of
being ignorant...

Now go figure out how the other comments you made above are on an even
greater level of self delusion if you can.

No, I think I will stand by my quotes of the comments that *W and
Cheney* made on national TV. Also the death and mutilation figures are
quoted accurately, a sovereign nation WAS trashed and the "dollars
spent" figures are all accurate. Finally, haven't you heard General
Sanchez's statement from a day or two ago?

Sorry you think those TRUE statements are "delusional" -- but I wouldn't
expect any less from a senile old fool...

Those are ignorant comments. You are a nut case to the where the
description delusional does not cover the extent of your mental illness.

Do continue to live in your fantasy world.

Quoting the president and vice-president and stating TRUE statistics
about the human and dollar cost of the war is "ignorant" and being in a
"fantasy world"?

If you don't believe this "war" has been a fiasco from beginning to
present and started on the flimsiest of (and continually changing)
excuses, I respectfully submit that -you- are the one living in a
fantasy world and suggest you re-read (or read for the first time)
General Sanchez' comments and General Powell's de facto apology to the
world. Or, try and refute the facts I have stated (and no, quoting
something 20 years old and out of context does not count). Please try
something other than bluster.

OT I think (& I am)
 

In article ,
Billy Burpelson wrote:

Telamon wrote:


And in case you've already forgotten, the topic was "excuses for the
war", not something that happened "years ago". Please try and pay
attention. It seems the "ignorant one" is turning out to be YOU.

I'm supposed to read your mind? Sure thing, nice doge. Not.

Nah, you're not supposed to read my mind. You ARE supposed to read the
CONTEXT. The topic was : "Excuses for the war". In THAT context,
everyone (except possibly you), realizes the yellow cake reference is
recent, as in "context", as in "used as a 'reason' for the war", not
something that happened 20(?) years ago.

Nah to you. Everybody knows that the liberals have been beating the no
WMD found including you bozo.

I am in context. You are just being perverse.

No mind reading necessary. Just pay attention to context.

BTW, nice "doge" on your part (although I believe you meant "dodge"). I
only mention this because you are the one always accusing others of
being ignorant...

No doge. You are so screwed up it just looks that way to you.

Now go figure out how the other comments you made above are on an even
greater level of self delusion if you can.

No, I think I will stand by my quotes of the comments that *W and
Cheney* made on national TV. Also the death and mutilation figures are
quoted accurately, a sovereign nation WAS trashed and the "dollars
spent" figures are all accurate. Finally, haven't you heard General
Sanchez's statement from a day or two ago?

Sorry you think those TRUE statements are "delusional" -- but I wouldn't
expect any less from a senile old fool...

Those are ignorant comments. You are a nut case to the where the
description delusional does not cover the extent of your mental illness.

Do continue to live in your fantasy world.

Quoting the president and vice-president and stating TRUE statistics
about the human and dollar cost of the war is "ignorant" and being in a
"fantasy world"?

If you don't believe this "war" has been a fiasco from beginning to
present and started on the flimsiest of (and continually changing)
excuses, I respectfully submit that -you- are the one living in a
fantasy world and suggest you re-read (or read for the first time)
General Sanchez' comments and General Powell's de facto apology to the
world. Or, try and refute the facts I have stated (and no, quoting
something 20 years old and out of context does not count). Please try
something other than bluster.

Yeah, it does not change the decision.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California