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The Thrill Of SWL
Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early
days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) |
The Thrill Of SWL
Hi Bill, I just finished building a Ten-Tec 1054 SWL radio, after 15
years away from the hobby. I'm very disappointed with what I'm not hearing. It seems that most Western countries have abandoned shortwave in favour of satellite and internet broadcasting. What's left is religious stations, China/Taiwan, amateur radio, and the utilities. David Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) |
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David Snowdon wrote: In article , Bill wrote: Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Hi Bill, I just finished building a Ten-Tec 1054 SWL radio, after 15 years away from the hobby. I'm very disappointed with what I'm not hearing. It seems that most Western countries have abandoned shortwave in favour of satellite and internet broadcasting. What's left is religious stations, China/Taiwan, amateur radio, and the utilities. I suggest getting a hold of a short wave schedule and try again. There is much more out there to listen to than what you listed. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Yeah word to that. It will take some kind of major damage, man made or
otherwise, or a government crackdown closing off the internet to get shortwave going. Look at those pour people in Burma, shortwave sales through the roof. "Bill" wrote in message ... Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) |
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:07:10 -0400, Bill wrote:
snip Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the snip The solar cycle is bad. You may need to wait a few more months for conditions to improve before the excitement comes back. |
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On Oct 14, 6:07 pm, Bill wrote:
Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) There are all kinds of utilities to listen to. I still hear conversations on the marine frequencies fairly often, but that's the tip of an extremely large iceberg. In fact, I've noticed more than once that the people I know who're into utility monitoring never make the complaint that there's little to listen to. |
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On Oct 14, 6:07?pm, Bill wrote:
Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) "Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen." I too built a Star Raomer back i nthe 1960's - nbavk then there was a bunch of good stuff to listen to, but now, I understand that SWL is a bunch of religious crap. |
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On Oct 14, 6:07 pm, Bill wrote:
Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen... Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. --Bill (in northern NJ) No, I don't share your disappointment at all. I still enjoy this hobby very much, but I'm probably looking for different things from it than you are. Sure, shortwave radio has changed in the 30 years from when I started as a kid, but its hardly dead (full of U.S. religious stations maybe, but hardly dead). |
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Well thanks to everybody that responded. I guess I'll have to get more
into the utility station monitoring...I used to listen to them but the Eton just doesn't cut it. I'll need to fire up the R-390 again and get a good utility station guide and start playing once more! Now that you mention it, I used to tune into the weather fax stations and decode them with the simple DOS program WEFAX...now that was exciting stuff...! --Bill Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) |
The Thrill Of SWL
On Oct 14, 10:37 pm, wrote:
On Oct 14, 6:07 pm, Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen... Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. --Bill (in northern NJ) No, I don't share your disappointment at all. I still enjoy this hobby very much, but I'm probably looking for different things from it than you are. Sure, shortwave radio has changed in the 30 years from when I started as a kid, but its hardly dead (full of U.S. religious stations maybe, but hardly dead). I agree. In the 1970's it was full of political propaganda, which some people complained about at the time. Now it's religious stuff. But there's plenty of other stuff too. Russia, Slovakia, China, Japan, Iran, Spain and plenty of other places are still broadcasting away. |
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On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:23:29 -0400, David Snowdon
wrote: Hi Bill, I just finished building a Ten-Tec 1054 SWL radio, after 15 years away from the hobby. I'm very disappointed with what I'm not hearing. It seems that most Western countries have abandoned shortwave in favour of satellite and internet broadcasting. What's left is religious stations, China/Taiwan, amateur radio, and the utilities. David Sunspots are not optimal. Wait a couple years. |
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Joe,
Thanks...that's great advice! I just may store the radios for a few years or just tune the most powerful, reliable English b'casts to keep up with the stories. In any case, I'm probably a listener for life! --Bill Joe Analssandrini wrote: On Oct 14, 6:07 pm, Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) Dear Bill, The situation your are experiencing happens every eleven years, on average. It is caused by the "bottom" of the sunspot cycle in which we find ourselves just now. There is still quite a bit to hear but the best and most exotic signals are heard more in the early morning and daytime rather than the evening or nighttime, at least currently at my location. (This, of course, is not conducive to listening if one works for a living!) Do not get discouraged. You own some good radios. I suggest that, if your boredom continues, you might pack the radios away for a year or two. If you unpack them and try them again in, say 2009 or 2010, I believe you will be amazed and pleased at what you will hear. The bottom end of the sunspot cycle always separated the men from the boys. Hang in there. Best, Joe |
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On Oct 15, 3:53 pm, Bill wrote:
- Joe, - - Thanks...that's great advice! I just may store the radios for a few - years or just tune the most powerful, reliable English b'casts to keep - up with the stories. In any case, I'm probably a listener for life! - - --Bill SWL = Shortwave {Radio} Lifer ! Joe Analssandrini wrote: On Oct 14, 6:07 pm, Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) Dear Bill, The situation your are experiencing happens every eleven years, on average. It is caused by the "bottom" of the sunspot cycle in which we find ourselves just now. There is still quite a bit to hear but the best and most exotic signals are heard more in the early morning and daytime rather than the evening or nighttime, at least currently at my location. (This, of course, is not conducive to listening if one works for a living!) Do not get discouraged. You own some good radios. I suggest that, if your boredom continues, you might pack the radios away for a year or two. If you unpack them and try them again in, say 2009 or 2010, I believe you will be amazed and pleased at what you will hear. The bottom end of the sunspot cycle always separated the men from the boys. Hang in there. Best, Joe- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
The Thrill Of SWL-Never Dies
Bill wrote: Joe, Thanks...that's great advice! I just may store the radios for a few years or just tune the most powerful, reliable English b'casts to keep up with the stories. In any case, I'm probably a listener for life! Oh come on, hang in there. In this particular re-incarnation in the hobby I've been at it for 25 years, and though it may be slow at times there is always something or somebody to listen to. And, in the past few weeks a brand new country has come on the air. It doesn't get much better than that! dxAce Michigan USA Drake R7, R8, R8A and R8B 70' and 200' wires, Eavesdropper dipole. |
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On Oct 15, 12:38 pm, Joe Analssandrini
wrote: On Oct 14, 6:07 pm, Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) Dear Bill, The situation your are experiencing happens every eleven years, on average. It is caused by the "bottom" of the sunspot cycle in which we find ourselves just now. There is still quite a bit to hear but the best and most exotic signals are heard more in the early morning and daytime rather than the evening or nighttime, at least currently at my location. (This, of course, is not conducive to listening if one works for a living!) Do not get discouraged. You own some good radios. I suggest that, if your boredom continues, you might pack the radios away for a year or two. If you unpack them and try them again in, say 2009 or 2010, I believe you will be amazed and pleased at what you will hear. The bottom end of the sunspot cycle always separated the men from the boys. Hang in there. Best, Joe Let's hope the sun gets off it's lazy ball of plasma and makes some spots :) Just installed a mobile SW setup; enjoying Radio Australia, Radio New Zealand Int'l, Radio Moscow, and Radio Netherlands while driving to and from work late/early. Let's just hope we're not looking at another "Maunder Minimum" kind of situation, where the sun just quiets down for several cycles. This one has sure been painfully slow and no evidence of a turn-around yet. |
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Well, the first thing you do is sell me the RF2200 if you're crazy enough to
get rid of it! :) Rich I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) |
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On Oct 15, 11:34 pm, Ross Archer wrote:
Just installed a mobile SW setup; enjoying Radio Australia, Radio New Zealand Int'l, Radio Moscow, and Radio Netherlands while driving to and from work late/early. Could you give details of your mobile setup? That would be a nice thing to have as I spend a lot of time in my car. |
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Thanks again guys for the advice...
I'll stick it out (guess the thrill of tuning an analog receiver is still in my blood!) and hang on for when the Rx conditions improve again. --Bill Dorpmuller wrote: Well, the first thing you do is sell me the RF2200 if you're crazy enough to get rid of it! :) Rich I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) |
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On Oct 16, 6:21 pm, wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:34 pm, Ross Archer wrote: Just installed a mobile SW setup; enjoying Radio Australia, Radio New Zealand Int'l, Radio Moscow, and Radio Netherlands while driving to and from work late/early. Could you give details of your mobile setup? That would be a nice thing to have as I spend a lot of time in my car. It needs some work, especially the antenna system. But here's what I've got so far: * Yaesu FT-857D mobile HF transceiver (with full general-coverage). It runs off 12 volts and is connected via a cigarette lighter plug. http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd...5&isArchived=0 * Yaesu ATAS-120 antenna http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...antm/4547.html Car is 2007 Dodge Caliber SXT. The transceiver is genuinely awesome IMHO. The antenna system, on the other hand, is a giant disappointment. I wish I had gone with an automatic antenna tuner and a whip, or a manually-controlled screwdriver antenna instead. Ignition noise is a problem at higher engine RPMs. It limits the usefulness of hamming but doesn't affect SWL as much due to the generally stronger signals. If you're all interested, I'll keep you informed as I work out the bugs. In the meantime, anyone want to buy a garbage expensive automatic screwdriver antenna? :) --- ross |
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Ross Archer wrote:
snip * Yaesu FT-857D mobile HF transceiver (with full general-coverage). snip Ignition noise is a problem at higher engine RPMs. It limits the usefulness of hamming but doesn't affect SWL as much due to the generally stronger signals. Looking at the brochure I see it has a variety of DSP options; does yours have adaptive noise cancellation? Properly implemented, adaptive noise cancellation algorithms reportedly handle periodic noise like ignition whine quite well. Regards, Michael |
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Ross Archer wrote: On Oct 15, 12:38 pm, Joe Analssandrini wrote: On Oct 14, 6:07 pm, Bill wrote: Look I don't want to start a trolling or a flame war but in my early days of SWL with my Star Roamer that I built from the kit, I found it really exciting to listen. The ship-to-shore on 3 or 4 MHz (mcs back then) was the NY Marine Operator and there were phone conversations to listen in on, then there was the international BC with radio Moscow giving their take on world news and of course hams all over the place. Well now some 30 years later, I'm bored with the whole thing....yeah I try to catch a slight Gander Radio every now and then or still the international stuff that might be in English. But for the most part, the thrill is gone; unfortunately. I hate to say it but I'll probably get rid of the Eton E5, Panasonic RF-2200 and the R-390, having lost interest in this one-time exciting hobby. (well, maybe not the R-390...) I don't ask for comments or critiques...just wonder if there's others that share my disappointment. And certainly most everything that can be listened to can be found on the Internet (with somebody else's Internet controlled SW receiver). Thanks...! --Bill (in northern NJ) Dear Bill, The situation your are experiencing happens every eleven years, on average. It is caused by the "bottom" of the sunspot cycle in which we find ourselves just now. There is still quite a bit to hear but the best and most exotic signals are heard more in the early morning and daytime rather than the evening or nighttime, at least currently at my location. (This, of course, is not conducive to listening if one works for a living!) Do not get discouraged. You own some good radios. I suggest that, if your boredom continues, you might pack the radios away for a year or two. If you unpack them and try them again in, say 2009 or 2010, I believe you will be amazed and pleased at what you will hear. The bottom end of the sunspot cycle always separated the men from the boys. Hang in there. Best, Joe Let's hope the sun gets off it's lazy ball of plasma and makes some spots :) Just installed a mobile SW setup; enjoying Radio Australia, Radio New Zealand Int'l, Radio Moscow, and Radio Netherlands while driving to and from work late/early. Both Australia and RNZ have been pretty good on 16 meters lately. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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On Oct 19, 12:54 am, Ross Archer wrote:
On Oct 16, 6:21 pm, wrote: On Oct 15, 11:34 pm, Ross Archer wrote: Just installed a mobile SW setup; enjoying Radio Australia, Radio New Zealand Int'l, Radio Moscow, and Radio Netherlands while driving to and from work late/early. Could you give details of your mobile setup? That would be a nice thing to have as I spend a lot of time in my car. It needs some work, especially the antenna system. But here's what I've got so far: * Yaesu FT-857D mobile HF transceiver (with full general-coverage). It runs off 12 volts and is connected via a cigarette lighter plug.http://www.yaesu.com/indexVS.cfm?cmd...odCatID=102&en... * Yaesu ATAS-120 antennahttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamantm/4547.html Car is 2007 Dodge Caliber SXT. The transceiver is genuinely awesome IMHO. The antenna system, on the other hand, is a giant disappointment. I wish I had gone with an automatic antenna tuner and a whip, or a manually-controlled screwdriver antenna instead. Ignition noise is a problem at higher engine RPMs. It limits the usefulness of hamming but doesn't affect SWL as much due to the generally stronger signals. If you're all interested, I'll keep you informed as I work out the bugs. In the meantime, anyone want to buy a garbage expensive automatic screwdriver antenna? :) --- ross Yes, please keep us informed. I was wondering what you did for an antenna. Good thinking about that tranceiver, didn't know it even existed. |
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I've actually gotten back into wefax and ute decoding after being out
of it for 15 years. Most of my faves are gone, but there's still some good listens out there. I'm actually thinking about getting my ticket now that I've got a little time. Sangean AT-803 with 50ft dipole, 40N, 105W On Oct 15, 3:56 am, Bill wrote: Well thanks to everybody that responded. I guess I'll have to get more into the utility station monitoring...I used to listen to them but the Eton just doesn't cut it. I'll need to fire up the R-390 again and get a good utility station guide and start playing once more! Now that you mention it, I used to tune into the weather fax stations and decode them with the simple DOS program WEFAX...now that was exciting stuff...! |
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