You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When...
 

"You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When..."

By Jerry Del Colliano

The big box stores are supposed to be selling HD radios and breathing
new life into a declining industry -- if you believe the hype.

Nope -- not flying off the shelves.

Instead, Wal-Mart is selling new George Foreman grills that come
equipped with speakers that allow you to hook up your iPods while
cooking -- God forbid you have to be away from an iPod for a few
minutes.

Here's the pitch on Wal-Mart's site:


"Whether you're grilling indoors or outdoors, you'll love the
convenience of listening to your iPod or other MP3 player while
cooking. This electric grill has all of the features you've come to
expect from the George Foreman line, along with a built-in amplifier
and speaker".
Isn't that what radio used to do? Entertain at the old barbie -- and
everywhere else.

Radio is losing its place to the changing lifestyles of its listeners.
You don't need the George Foreman grill to tell you that -- just look
around at all the people using MP3 devices instead of radio. But the
Foreman grill, already? Geez, what a low blow.

You know radio is in big trouble when...

QVC does a big sales push on home shopping network and they can't sell
any radios. They can't even sell enough to put the number remaining to
be sold on the screen -- too embarrassing. And QVC likely had to eat
the radios it couldn't sell. (Maybe they could put them on the George
Foreman grill).

Now I have heard people say it doesn't matter -- that QVC sells to
older women anyway but if that's true they are certainly smarter old
women. They understand what radio operators don't -- that HD radio
(whatever that is) is not desirable. It's the Custer's Last Stand of
radio and the carnage is everywhere. Imagine, all those digital
channels with nothing to listen to. And no digital radios to listen
on.

You know radio is in big trouble when...

Group owners attack the ratings technology that it will eventually
have to embrace causing everyone including agencies and buyers to
question its viability. I see several radio groups taking credit for
derailing the Arbitron People Meter (PPM) rollout in many of the top
markets. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they have some
legitimate methodology and response concerns. But once you've
destroyed the very instrument that you're asking advertisers to rely
upon -- what kind of victory is that? It's stupid -- like a lot of
other strategical blunders in radio.

And you really know radio is in big trouble when...

The industry is a monopoly that can do just about anything it wants
and the most it can accomplish is drive its stock down to near
worthless prices. How bad is that?

Maybe cutbacks, firings, voice tracking, "Less is More", proliferation
of nationally syndicated shows on a local medium and HD radio didn't
work.

Ya think?

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...uble-when.html

Yea, i think!

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You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When...
 

David wrote:

wrote:
"You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When..."

You cannot compete with the portable music players with research based,
demographically targeted musical playlists. People doing the audience
research are morons.

That would be David Frackelton Gleason who poses as 'Eduardo'!

They are the ones who destroyed music radio.

If radio in general hopes to survive they must be hipper and much more
radical. They must vigorously fight the stupid profanity rules and play
unabridged music and they must challenge the intellect when doing spoken
word.

Playing it safe will insure further decline.

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On Nov 28, 8:42 am, dxAce wrote:
David wrote:
wrote:
"You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When..."

You cannot compete with the portable music players with research based,
demographically targeted musical playlists. People doing the audience
research are morons.

That would be David Frackelton Gleason who poses as 'Eduardo'!



They are the ones who destroyed music radio.

If radio in general hopes to survive they must be hipper and much more
radical. They must vigorously fight the stupid profanity rules and play
unabridged music and they must challenge the intellect when doing spoken
word.

Playing it safe will insure further decline.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Where in hell is Eduardo's spin?

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"David" wrote in message
...
wrote:
"You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When..."

You cannot compete with the portable music players with research based,
demographically targeted musical playlists. People doing the audience
research are morons. They are the ones who destroyed music radio.

Research is just asking listeners what they want.

If radio in general hopes to survive they must be hipper and much more
radical. They must vigorously fight the stupid profanity rules and play
unabridged music and they must challenge the intellect when doing spoken
word.

That is really going to make a difference... swear and play songs people
have never heard before.

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On Nov 28, 10:26 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"David" wrote in message

...

wrote:
"You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When..."

You cannot compete with the portable music players with research based,
demographically targeted musical playlists. People doing the audience
research are morons. They are the ones who destroyed music radio.

Research is just asking listeners what they want.



If radio in general hopes to survive they must be hipper and much more
radical. They must vigorously fight the stupid profanity rules and play
unabridged music and they must challenge the intellect when doing spoken
word.

That is really going to make a difference... swear and play songs people
have never heard befoe

Why aren't HD radios selling?

You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When...
 

On Nov 28, 5:09 am, wrote:
"You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When..."

By Jerry Del Colliano

The big box stores are supposed to be selling HD radios and breathing
new life into a declining industry -- if you believe the hype.

Nope -- not flying off the shelves.

Instead, Wal-Mart is selling new George Foreman grills that come
equipped with speakers that allow you to hook up your iPods while
cooking -- God forbid you have to be away from an iPod for a few
minutes.

Here's the pitch on Wal-Mart's site:

"Whether you're grilling indoors or outdoors, you'll love the
convenience of listening to your iPod or other MP3 player while
cooking. This electric grill has all of the features you've come to
expect from the George Foreman line, along with a built-in amplifier
and speaker".
Isn't that what radio used to do? Entertain at the old barbie -- and
everywhere else.

Radio is losing its place to the changing lifestyles of its listeners.
You don't need the George Foreman grill to tell you that -- just look
around at all the people using MP3 devices instead of radio. But the
Foreman grill, already? Geez, what a low blow.

You know radio is in big trouble when...

QVC does a big sales push on home shopping network and they can't sell
any radios. They can't even sell enough to put the number remaining to
be sold on the screen -- too embarrassing. And QVC likely had to eat
the radios it couldn't sell. (Maybe they could put them on the George
Foreman grill).

Now I have heard people say it doesn't matter -- that QVC sells to
older women anyway but if that's true they are certainly smarter old
women. They understand what radio operators don't -- that HD radio
(whatever that is) is not desirable. It's the Custer's Last Stand of
radio and the carnage is everywhere. Imagine, all those digital
channels with nothing to listen to. And no digital radios to listen
on.

You know radio is in big trouble when...

Group owners attack the ratings technology that it will eventually
have to embrace causing everyone including agencies and buyers to
question its viability. I see several radio groups taking credit for
derailing the Arbitron People Meter (PPM) rollout in many of the top
markets. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they have some
legitimate methodology and response concerns. But once you've
destroyed the very instrument that you're asking advertisers to rely
upon -- what kind of victory is that? It's stupid -- like a lot of
other strategical blunders in radio.

And you really know radio is in big trouble when...

The industry is a monopoly that can do just about anything it wants
and the most it can accomplish is drive its stock down to near
worthless prices. How bad is that?

Maybe cutbacks, firings, voice tracking, "Less is More", proliferation
of nationally syndicated shows on a local medium and HD radio didn't
work.

Ya think?

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com...adio-is-in-big...

Yea, i think!

Well, that's certainly a new twist on the music entertainment
business. Maybe HD radio can rig one up with this.

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wrote in message
...

Group owners attack the ratings technology that it will eventually
have to embrace causing everyone including agencies and buyers to
question its viability. I see several radio groups taking credit for
derailing the Arbitron People Meter (PPM) rollout in many of the top
markets. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they have some
legitimate methodology and response concerns. But once you've
destroyed the very instrument that you're asking advertisers to rely
upon -- what kind of victory is that? It's stupid -- like a lot of
other strategical blunders in radio.

Group owners said they were not receiving what they paid for because the PPM
sample is not complete and not proportional.

But the main reason the start dates were rolled back is that the
accreditation board, representing ADVERTISERS, found enormous problems and
would not certify the methodology or the implementation.

Since it was advertisers who originally asked for the faster and more
precise electronic measurement, the agency that mostly represents
advertisers was responsible for insuring it was correctly done.

You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When...
 

David Eduardo wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
wrote:
"You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When..."

You cannot compete with the portable music players with research based,
demographically targeted musical playlists. People doing the audience
research are morons. They are the ones who destroyed music radio.

Research is just asking listeners what they want.
If radio in general hopes to survive they must be hipper and much more
radical. They must vigorously fight the stupid profanity rules and play
unabridged music and they must challenge the intellect when doing spoken
word.

That is really going to make a difference... swear and play songs people
have never heard before.



No. Play "Who Are You", or "Money" without awkward gaps. Hire real
music directors with good instincts to break new artists.

One of the main failings of commercial radio is that they don't play new
stuff.

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Group owners attack the ratings technology that it will eventually
have to embrace causing everyone including agencies and buyers to
question its viability. I see several radio groups taking credit for
derailing the Arbitron People Meter (PPM) rollout in many of the top
markets. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they have some
legitimate methodology and response concerns. But once you've
destroyed the very instrument that you're asking advertisers to rely
upon -- what kind of victory is that? It's stupid -- like a lot of
other strategical blunders in radio.

Group owners said they were not receiving what they paid for because the PPM
sample is not complete and not proportional.

But the main reason the start dates were rolled back is that the
accreditation board, representing ADVERTISERS, found enormous problems and
would not certify the methodology or the implementation.

Since it was advertisers who originally asked for the faster and more
precise electronic measurement, the agency that mostly represents
advertisers was responsible for insuring it was correctly done.

It's always a problem when empirical evidence does not reflect what you
want.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Group owners attack the ratings technology that it will eventually
have to embrace causing everyone including agencies and buyers to
question its viability. I see several radio groups taking credit for
derailing the Arbitron People Meter (PPM) rollout in many of the top
markets. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they have some
legitimate methodology and response concerns. But once you've
destroyed the very instrument that you're asking advertisers to rely
upon -- what kind of victory is that? It's stupid -- like a lot of
other strategical blunders in radio.

Group owners said they were not receiving what they paid for because the
PPM
sample is not complete and not proportional.

But the main reason the start dates were rolled back is that the
accreditation board, representing ADVERTISERS, found enormous problems
and
would not certify the methodology or the implementation.

Since it was advertisers who originally asked for the faster and more
precise electronic measurement, the agency that mostly represents
advertisers was responsible for insuring it was correctly done.

It's always a problem when empirical evidence does not reflect what you
want.

True, but in this case we simply have a bad sample.

You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When...
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

wrote in message
...

Group owners attack the ratings technology that it will eventually
have to embrace causing everyone including agencies and buyers to
question its viability. I see several radio groups taking credit for
derailing the Arbitron People Meter (PPM) rollout in many of the top
markets. I've said it before and I'll say it again, they have some
legitimate methodology and response concerns. But once you've
destroyed the very instrument that you're asking advertisers to rely
upon -- what kind of victory is that? It's stupid -- like a lot of
other strategical blunders in radio.

Group owners said they were not receiving what they paid for because the
PPM
sample is not complete and not proportional.

But the main reason the start dates were rolled back is that the
accreditation board, representing ADVERTISERS, found enormous problems
and
would not certify the methodology or the implementation.

Since it was advertisers who originally asked for the faster and more
precise electronic measurement, the agency that mostly represents
advertisers was responsible for insuring it was correctly done.

It's always a problem when empirical evidence does not reflect what you
want.

True, but in this case we simply have a bad sample.

My understanding is that there is more than one "bad sample" but in time
this will be straightened out I guess.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...

True, but in this case we simply have a bad sample.

My understanding is that there is more than one "bad sample" but in time
this will be straightened out I guess.

The only market that was suspended was New York. The survey is panel based,
so there is only one sample. The diary survey uses a new sample every week.

You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When...
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

True, but in this case we simply have a bad sample.

My understanding is that there is more than one "bad sample" but in time
this will be straightened out I guess.

The only market that was suspended was New York. The survey is panel based,
so there is only one sample. The diary survey uses a new sample every week.

What about Texas?

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

True, but in this case we simply have a bad sample.

My understanding is that there is more than one "bad sample" but in
time
this will be straightened out I guess.

The only market that was suspended was New York. The survey is panel
based,
so there is only one sample. The diary survey uses a new sample every
week.

What about Texas?

Houston remains, as does Philadelphia for the moment; there are no
state-wide surveys. There is only one sample, with panelists replaced at the
end of two years on the panel, or if they do not comply. One sample.

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David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest. Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack of
sales they see no reason to upgrade. It's not like all analog radio
transmissions are going dark in 2009. And it's not like HD stations provide
content that's so compelling listeners can't live without their HD radio
fix. And it doesn't really sound that much better anyway. So far a few radio
hobbyist have invested in HD radio. Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.


And the next generation kids, 12-34 have very little interest in anything
radio. Ipods, cell phones, the Internet and social networking groups are far
more important and interesting to them.

David ask any 12 year old kid if they listen to radio. you won't like the
answer.

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You Know Radio Is In Big Trouble When...
 

wrote in message
...
David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.
Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack
of
sales they see no reason to upgrade.

It could take 10 years for most radios to contain HD technology...but that's
OK.

HD isn't going anywhere.

Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could
have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.

Why does this feel like FM all over again? (Lots of naysayers, but given
time it becomes the accepted standard.)

It's not like AM stereo at all.

The FCC refused to endorse a standard for AM Stereo. Therefore car and
radio manufacturers, radio station owners/operator and listeners were in
charge of picking the technology standard.

With that conundrum, no one did anything...and it took too long, and all
music was gone from the band shortly.

The HD radio technology is different.

The FCC has set a standard, radio station owners/operators have endorsed one
standard, and listeners do not have to make a choice of "which one?" when
buying a radio. Cars are coming off the assembly line now with the one
standard.

Again, people who expected or thought that this technology has to take hold
in 18 months are misinformed.

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"A Brown" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.
Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack
of
sales they see no reason to upgrade.

It could take 10 years for most radios to contain HD technology...but
that's OK.

HD isn't going anywhere.

Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could
have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.

Why does this feel like FM all over again? (Lots of naysayers, but given
time it becomes the accepted standard.)

FM didn't take over the majority of listening until FM stations approached
the same penetration as existing AM's. In many areas, this wasn't until
large numbers of translators were installed to allow reception in distant
and/or shadow areas (many of these are even within the stations' COL). IBOC
does not have anywhere near the useful coverage area of existing analog.
This is one of it's largest problems. The other big problems are that the
upcoming and a lot of the current target market don't give a damn about
radio in general, commercial radio in particular, and, for those that do,
they are quite happy enough with the signal and quality they already have.
FM offered a sharp increase in fidelity over AM. IBOC does not. It offers
practically nothing on FM as far as increase in quality, and the tradeoff on
AM is that IBOC, when you can use it at all, does decrease noise, but the
sound is poor like a low bitrate mp3.

Homes in foreclosure and yet, HDTV?
 

It will be interesting to hear the wailing from the TV broadcast industry
and its advertisers after a huge audience is eliminated by forcing the
insane HDTV nonsense down our throats in 2009.

I for one am telling every advertiser I do business with that I will not see
any of their ads after that date.

Jeez, Louise...hundreds of thousands of homes in foreclosure, the ****tiest
economy in my life, $4 for a lousy gallon of gas, a trip to the grocery
store is a painfully expensive process and every one I know has been layed
off.

AND THESE PRICKS THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUSH OUT A BUY EQUIPMENT TO RECEIVE
THEIR ASSININE DIGITAL SYSTEM?

The ones to blame are those in Washington but equally culpable are the
sycophants in the TV industry to sat by and allowed it to happen.

I'm glad I'm not spending any money on TV advertising that few people will
see after 2009.

Homes in foreclosure and yet, HDTV?
 

Smokey wrote:
It will be interesting to hear the wailing from the TV broadcast industry
and its advertisers after a huge audience is eliminated by forcing the
insane HDTV nonsense down our throats in 2009.

I for one am telling every advertiser I do business with that I will not see
any of their ads after that date.

Jeez, Louise...hundreds of thousands of homes in foreclosure, the ****tiest
economy in my life, $4 for a lousy gallon of gas, a trip to the grocery
store is a painfully expensive process and every one I know has been layed
off.

AND THESE PRICKS THINK WE'RE GOING TO RUSH OUT A BUY EQUIPMENT TO RECEIVE
THEIR ASSININE DIGITAL SYSTEM?

The ones to blame are those in Washington but equally culpable are the
sycophants in the TV industry to sat by and allowed it to happen.

I'm glad I'm not spending any money on TV advertising that few people will
see after 2009.





Well... a couple of things to consider...if you're on cable, it's not
an issue. Cable will convert the ATSC signal to NTSC for you. Probably
with a rate increase in 2009, but, well...that's cable.

If you're on Satellite...it's not an issue, you're already digital.

If you're receiving your TV over the air, converter boxes are
available, with federal subsidies, and coupons for as little as $40.

Full featured ATSC tv's are now available for as little as $500. Many
made the conversion as early as three years ago.

It's going to be, largely, a non-issue.

Homes in foreclosure and yet, HDTV?
 

D Peter Maus wrote:

Smokey wrote:

It will be interesting to hear the wailing from the TV broadcast industry
and its advertisers after a huge audience is eliminated by forcing the
insane HDTV nonsense down our throats in 2009.

snip

If you're receiving your TV over the air, converter boxes are
available, with federal subsidies, and coupons for as little as $40.

snip
It's going to be, largely, a non-issue.

I sympathize with the O.P.; say goodbye to reliable reception while in
motion; say goodbye to _any_ reception in poor multipath areas; say goodbye
to portable reception without using an insanely power-hungry approach
(and so far no mfg. is addressing this market -- what with smartphones,
etc. it isn't attractive) and say goodbye to reliable emergency television
communications (you would need to do a site survey just to set up
an emergency receiver). sarcasm This spectrum grab is a fiasco and it is sad
that the general public hasn't revolted but the twenty percent or so
who need OTA reception are just an inconsequential minority. /sarcasm

Michael

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David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.
Most
people already own 5 radios that work just fine. And judging by the lack
of
sales they see no reason to upgrade.

It could take 10 years for most radios to contain HD technology...but
that's OK.

HD isn't going anywhere.

Why does this feel like Am stereo all
over again. Another technology that listeners never asked for but could
have
been great.. but because of no interest and competing ideas simply died.

Why does this feel like FM all over again? (Lots of naysayers, but given
time it becomes the accepted standard.)

FM didn't take over the majority of listening until FM stations approached
the same penetration as existing AM's.

Which occurred when Auto manufactures started installing them in cars (as
standard equipment on many!).

So, it took a while from the technology rolled out to public acceptance.

IBOC does not have anywhere near the useful coverage area of existing
analog. This is one of it's largest problems.

It doesn't have to...it's not replacing analog.

The other big problems are that the upcoming and a lot of the current
target market don't give a damn about radio in general, commercial radio
in particular, and, for those that do, they are quite happy enough with
the signal and quality they already have.

I remember my father telling me I didn't need to spend $35 to get my first
new car equipped with FM Radio.

People didn't really care about that either.

FM offered a sharp increase in fidelity over AM. IBOC does not.

AM IBOC *IS* a great increase in fidelity.

Also offerrs stereo for AM.

It offers practically nothing on FM as far as increase in quality...

Quality won't be the selling point...but the additional stream choices will
be.

and the tradeoff on AM is that IBOC, when you can use it at all, does
decrease noise, but the sound is poor like a low bitrate mp3.

It's better than AM analog...so it's an improvement.

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On Jul 30, 7:05*pm, "A Brown" wrote:
David, HD receivers are not selling because the public has no interest.