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[email protected] January 2nd 08 12:24 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.

In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.

The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.

I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.

I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.

If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.

It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.

Terry

BDK[_3_] January 2nd 08 03:23 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...
Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.

In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.

The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.

I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.

I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.

If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.

It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.

Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.

I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.

After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.

BDK

[email protected] January 2nd 08 03:55 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:
In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...



Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.


In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.


The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.


I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.


I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.


If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.


It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.


Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.

I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.

After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.

BDK


I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down. It is like a giant
noise bubble
about 500' across centered on the empty house behind the house next
door.

During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening. There are no
solar devices
etc. I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.

Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?

Terry

RHF January 2nd 08 09:31 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
On Jan 2, 7:55*am, wrote:
On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:





In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...


Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.


In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.


The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.


I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.


I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.


If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.


It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.


Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.


I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.


After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.


BDK


I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down.


- It is like a giant noise bubble about 500' across centered
- on the empty house behind the house next door.

BUSTED - Call the NARCs !
Sounds like a Marijuana Growing Operation : Uses lot's of AC
Power Usage due to CFL Grow Lites plus the Hydroponics.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...rban-pot_x.htm

How Can Someone 'Spot' a Marijuana Grow Operation?
http://solgps.gov.ab.ca/drugs/marijuana.aspx?id=3625

Hydroponics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics

During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening.


Often Illegal Drug Operations are Power Boot-Strappers :
They Jump or By-Pass the AC Mains and Meter.

There are no solar devices etc.
I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.

Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?

Terry- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -



[email protected] January 2nd 08 11:04 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
On Jan 2, 9:31 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:55 am, wrote:



On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:


In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...


Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.


In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.


The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.


I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.


I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.


If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.


It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.


Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.


I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.


After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.


BDK


I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down.


- It is like a giant noise bubble about 500' across centered
- on the empty house behind the house next door.

BUSTED - Call the NARCs !
Sounds like a Marijuana Growing Operation : Uses lot's of AC
Power Usage due to CFL Grow Lites plus the Hydroponics.http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...rban-pot_x.htm

How Can Someone 'Spot' a Marijuana Grow Operation?http://solgps.gov.ab.ca/drugs/marijuana.aspx?id=3625

Hydroponics -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics

During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening.


Often Illegal Drug Operations are Power Boot-Strappers :
They Jump or By-Pass the AC Mains and Meter.

There are no solar devices etc.
I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.


Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?


Terry- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -



The power outages were a blessing. I have been plagued by a
intermittent AC "buzz". I had
been thinking it was a nearby security light because as you know they
can be RFI nightmares.

We live in a subdivision that a developer is trying to buy out and
redevelop into a primer upscale,
as in expensive gated, community. He is buying out everyone he can and
has bought the homes
behind us, on one side of and both homes diagonally behind us. During
the new years eve
'black out', I dug out my blackest clothes and played commando or cat
burglar. I wanted to take
a look at the home to our north east corner. The meter has been pulled
and the telephone NID,
demarcation box, was removed. When the power came back on I walked
over that way with
a DX398 and sure enough the noise was pretty strong.

I contacted the developer and explained the situation. A flunky
dropped of a key and told me
to take my time the house would be demolished as soon as the permits
are granted.

After PT (pain and torture) I arrived home at 4:00 and took the key
and drove over. We have
3" of snow and with my knee I am not going to risk clowning around. As
I pulled into the drive
way, the MW receiver in the car experienced severe RF noise. Kind of
odd considering the
meter is missing. So I do a walk through and while the noise is
strong, it isn't as strong as
in the drive. I found a battery charger in the garage that was still
receiving power. It appears
the previous owners had tapped before the meter. I contacted the
developer and explained
what I had found and he asked me to contact the utility. Since the
chief engineer and I are
on speaking terms I called him and explained what I had found. He said
he would be over
'real soon'. 15 minutes later he was here. We drove over in his 4WD
and he was very unhappy.
He took photos and called the developer and gained permission to know
some drywall down.

Sure enough behind the meter base, attached to an external wall, there
was a bootleg connection.
At that point he called the state police police to come and take a
report, and a crew to come
and disconnect the home at the transformer. It appears our utility
takes a very dim view of
bootleg connections. I asked him to drop me off at home before the
crew arrived because I
wanted to hear what would happen when the service was killed.

I was lucky, the loud buzz was back in force. The crew arrived and did
a hot disconnect.
The temps are 13F so I guess they don't want to make people more upset
then the
four black outs did. Anyway, the buzz vanished shortly after the
bucket truck guy went up.
It has been almost an hour and no buzz. The developer called me to
thank me for my
efforts. He did not want a house fire as a fire run would cost 3 times
as much as the
demolition crew. The chief engineer was very appreciative. He gave me
his private cell
phone number.

I have been trying to find that noise source for at least 3 years. At
times it would go away
for as long as a month. Then it would be there for days on end, but
everytime we started
hunting for it would go quiet. The charger is a very expensive unit,
but the state police
grabbed it as evidence. They have a crime scene unit over there right
now taking the place
apart. I keep expecting a knock on my door for them to ask for my
fingerprints since I was
inside.

Now for some DXing with the heat on!

Terry


BDK[_3_] January 2nd 08 11:20 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
In article e0c15248-b54f-410e-ae44-8dad4105f251
@e26g2000hsh.googlegroups.com, says...
On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:
In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...



Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.


In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.


The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.


I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.


I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.


If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.


It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.


Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.

I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.

After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.

BDK


I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down. It is like a giant
noise bubble
about 500' across centered on the empty house behind the house next
door.

During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening. There are no
solar devices
etc. I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.

Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?

Terry


Weird. How "deaf" can you make the setup you were using? If you can't
knock the sensitivity down a bunch, you may just want to make a sniffer
out of coax. It's about worthless as an antenna, but if you are close to
the source, it might let you narrow it down. My neighbors had a brand
new dimmer that buzzed horribly. They went to bed at 8PM (Sheesh) and
that was how I figured out it was coming from next door, even before I
started getting fed up enough to look. I bought one that was recommended
in a magazine and went over one day, and explained my situation, and
asked them if I sniff around with a portable and then if I could change
it out. The woman was from London originally, so she asked if the BBC
was still on, and when I said yes, she asked me about radios, and
eventually bought a Radio Shack DX-440.

Are there overhead lines going to that vacant house? Could be some
weirdness going on with the lines working like an antenna there, but
other than that, I have no idea how an unpowered house could generate
anything.

Does the noise level stay the same all the time? Or does it go up and
down depending on the temp or humidity? When the transformer near my
house was doing it's thing, it was worse the more humid and hot it got.
In the winter, at first, it was barely there. As time went on, it got
worse and worse and worse, finally giving an meter reading of S3 or so,
no matter how cold it was out.

Good luck,

BDK

BDK[_3_] January 2nd 08 11:23 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
In article 89b84773-11d1-4a2b-8241-f6b4251a3523
@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com, says...
On Jan 2, 9:31 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:55 am, wrote:



On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:


In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...


Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.


In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.


The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.


I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.


I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.


If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.


It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.


Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.


I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.


After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.


BDK


I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down.


- It is like a giant noise bubble about 500' across centered
- on the empty house behind the house next door.

BUSTED - Call the NARCs !
Sounds like a Marijuana Growing Operation : Uses lot's of AC
Power Usage due to CFL Grow Lites plus the Hydroponics.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...rban-pot_x.htm

How Can Someone 'Spot' a Marijuana Grow Operation?http://solgps.gov.ab.ca/drugs/marijuana.aspx?id=3625

Hydroponics -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics

During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening.


Often Illegal Drug Operations are Power Boot-Strappers :
They Jump or By-Pass the AC Mains and Meter.

There are no solar devices etc.
I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.


Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?


Terry- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -



The power outages were a blessing. I have been plagued by a
intermittent AC "buzz". I had
been thinking it was a nearby security light because as you know they
can be RFI nightmares.

We live in a subdivision that a developer is trying to buy out and
redevelop into a primer upscale,
as in expensive gated, community. He is buying out everyone he can and
has bought the homes
behind us, on one side of and both homes diagonally behind us. During
the new years eve
'black out', I dug out my blackest clothes and played commando or cat
burglar. I wanted to take
a look at the home to our north east corner. The meter has been pulled
and the telephone NID,
demarcation box, was removed. When the power came back on I walked
over that way with
a DX398 and sure enough the noise was pretty strong.

I contacted the developer and explained the situation. A flunky
dropped of a key and told me
to take my time the house would be demolished as soon as the permits
are granted.

After PT (pain and torture) I arrived home at 4:00 and took the key
and drove over. We have
3" of snow and with my knee I am not going to risk clowning around. As
I pulled into the drive
way, the MW receiver in the car experienced severe RF noise. Kind of
odd considering the
meter is missing. So I do a walk through and while the noise is
strong, it isn't as strong as
in the drive. I found a battery charger in the garage that was still
receiving power. It appears
the previous owners had tapped before the meter. I contacted the
developer and explained
what I had found and he asked me to contact the utility. Since the
chief engineer and I are
on speaking terms I called him and explained what I had found. He said
he would be over
'real soon'. 15 minutes later he was here. We drove over in his 4WD
and he was very unhappy.
He took photos and called the developer and gained permission to know
some drywall down.

Sure enough behind the meter base, attached to an external wall, there
was a bootleg connection.
At that point he called the state police police to come and take a
report, and a crew to come
and disconnect the home at the transformer. It appears our utility
takes a very dim view of
bootleg connections. I asked him to drop me off at home before the
crew arrived because I
wanted to hear what would happen when the service was killed.

I was lucky, the loud buzz was back in force. The crew arrived and did
a hot disconnect.
The temps are 13F so I guess they don't want to make people more upset
then the
four black outs did. Anyway, the buzz vanished shortly after the
bucket truck guy went up.
It has been almost an hour and no buzz. The developer called me to
thank me for my
efforts. He did not want a house fire as a fire run would cost 3 times
as much as the
demolition crew. The chief engineer was very appreciative. He gave me
his private cell
phone number.

I have been trying to find that noise source for at least 3 years. At
times it would go away
for as long as a month. Then it would be there for days on end, but
everytime we started
hunting for it would go quiet. The charger is a very expensive unit,
but the state police
grabbed it as evidence. They have a crime scene unit over there right
now taking the place
apart. I keep expecting a knock on my door for them to ask for my
fingerprints since I was
inside.

Now for some DXing with the heat on!

Terry



Mystery solved!

BDK

[email protected] January 3rd 08 12:26 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
On Jan 2, 4:31 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:55 am, wrote:



On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:


In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...


Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.


In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.


The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.


I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.


I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.


If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.


It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.


Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.


I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.


After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.


BDK


I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down.


- It is like a giant noise bubble about 500' across centered
- on the empty house behind the house next door.

BUSTED - Call the NARCs !
Sounds like a Marijuana Growing Operation : Uses lot's of AC
Power Usage due to CFL Grow Lites plus the Hydroponics.http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...rban-pot_x.htm

How Can Someone 'Spot' a Marijuana Grow Operation?http://solgps.gov.ab.ca/drugs/marijuana.aspx?id=3625

Hydroponics -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics

During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening.


Often Illegal Drug Operations are Power Boot-Strappers :
They Jump or By-Pass the AC Mains and Meter.

There are no solar devices etc.
I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.


Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?


Terry- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


You called it. The police say there is plenty of evidence of a major
drug growing operation. The wiring was very crude and hidden behind
drywall. The utility engineers are surprised the house didn't burn
down.

Complete details redacted at their request.

Let's just say there were many odd devices left connected to the
bootleg
AC.

Terry

David[_5_] January 3rd 08 02:17 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
wrote:
On Jan 2, 9:31 pm, RHF wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:55 am, wrote:



On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:
In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...
Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.
In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.
The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.
I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.
I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.
If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.
It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.
Terry
Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.
I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.
After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.
BDK
I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down.

- It is like a giant noise bubble about 500' across centered
- on the empty house behind the house next door.

BUSTED - Call the NARCs !
Sounds like a Marijuana Growing Operation : Uses lot's of AC
Power Usage due to CFL Grow Lites plus the Hydroponics.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...rban-pot_x.htm

How Can Someone 'Spot' a Marijuana Grow Operation?http://solgps.gov.ab.ca/drugs/marijuana.aspx?id=3625

Hydroponics -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics

During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening.

Often Illegal Drug Operations are Power Boot-Strappers :
They Jump or By-Pass the AC Mains and Meter.

There are no solar devices etc.
I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.
Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?
Terry- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -



The power outages were a blessing. I have been plagued by a
intermittent AC "buzz". I had
been thinking it was a nearby security light because as you know they
can be RFI nightmares.

We live in a subdivision that a developer is trying to buy out and
redevelop into a primer upscale,
as in expensive gated, community. He is buying out everyone he can and
has bought the homes
behind us, on one side of and both homes diagonally behind us. During
the new years eve
'black out', I dug out my blackest clothes and played commando or cat
burglar. I wanted to take
a look at the home to our north east corner. The meter has been pulled
and the telephone NID,
demarcation box, was removed. When the power came back on I walked
over that way with
a DX398 and sure enough the noise was pretty strong.

I contacted the developer and explained the situation. A flunky
dropped of a key and told me
to take my time the house would be demolished as soon as the permits
are granted.

After PT (pain and torture) I arrived home at 4:00 and took the key
and drove over. We have
3" of snow and with my knee I am not going to risk clowning around. As
I pulled into the drive
way, the MW receiver in the car experienced severe RF noise. Kind of
odd considering the
meter is missing. So I do a walk through and while the noise is
strong, it isn't as strong as
in the drive. I found a battery charger in the garage that was still
receiving power. It appears
the previous owners had tapped before the meter. I contacted the
developer and explained
what I had found and he asked me to contact the utility. Since the
chief engineer and I are
on speaking terms I called him and explained what I had found. He said
he would be over
'real soon'. 15 minutes later he was here. We drove over in his 4WD
and he was very unhappy.
He took photos and called the developer and gained permission to know
some drywall down.

Sure enough behind the meter base, attached to an external wall, there
was a bootleg connection.
At that point he called the state police police to come and take a
report, and a crew to come
and disconnect the home at the transformer. It appears our utility
takes a very dim view of
bootleg connections. I asked him to drop me off at home before the
crew arrived because I
wanted to hear what would happen when the service was killed.

I was lucky, the loud buzz was back in force. The crew arrived and did
a hot disconnect.
The temps are 13F so I guess they don't want to make people more upset
then the
four black outs did. Anyway, the buzz vanished shortly after the
bucket truck guy went up.
It has been almost an hour and no buzz. The developer called me to
thank me for my
efforts. He did not want a house fire as a fire run would cost 3 times
as much as the
demolition crew. The chief engineer was very appreciative. He gave me
his private cell
phone number.

I have been trying to find that noise source for at least 3 years. At
times it would go away
for as long as a month. Then it would be there for days on end, but
everytime we started
hunting for it would go quiet. The charger is a very expensive unit,
but the state police
grabbed it as evidence. They have a crime scene unit over there right
now taking the place
apart. I keep expecting a knock on my door for them to ask for my
fingerprints since I was
inside.

Now for some DXing with the heat on!

Terry


Once upon a time generating a lot of radio noise was a crime.

[email protected][_2_] January 3rd 08 02:49 PM

Yet another power outage.
 
On Jan 3, 7:26 am, wrote:
On Jan 2, 4:31 pm, RHF wrote:



On Jan 2, 7:55 am, wrote:


On Jan 2, 10:23 am, BDK wrote:


In article faff3e9c-6212-42a4-badc-9bc0252ba3e4
@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...


Now that the temps are 11 degree F, I really hope the utility
has their power problems fixed. We had a scheduled 90 minute
outage last night from 4:00PN to 5:30PM EST. At 4:55 I opened
the main breakers to protect the heat pump and fridge from
transients.


In an effort to verify my idea that simple antennas are adequate
for RF quiet locations I asked my wife to route a ~70' wire from
a 15' tall fiber glass pole attached to a fence post into my radio
room window. I have a piece of Lexan that is 2' high and just fits
into to the storm window. It has a variety of holes from antenna
experiments over the last 25 years.


The entry point is about 4' off the ground and the wire sloped up to
a ~18' fiber glass pole.


I was listening as the power went down, and like I expected the S3
noise vanished. The wire antenna wasn't as good as the roof mounted
active antenna but the difference was minimal.


I was using the high Z (500 ohms) on one R2000 and the 50 ohm
with the roof mounted active antenna on the other R2000. Both
R2000's are fairly stock and after 45 minutes I swapped the antennas
and receivers.


If I lived in a unpowered deep woods cabin then I wouldn't bother
with
'fancier' antennas. A 50 to 100 foot wire and a well casing would do
just fine. Of course powering a receiver becomes an issue.


It was interesting as they brought us back on line one section after
another. I could hear the noise increase but even with power on the
next street over, the random direct wire antenna worked great. When
they brought up our street the noise level went backup to S3. I am
stating to wonder how much noise is coming in on the utility ground
conductor.


Terry


Take a portable, tune into the hash and start walking around. A friend
of mine recently had a lot of noise, it turned out that one of the three
wires from his electric meter to his breaker box had loosened up and was
burning up. He had already had to replace the wires to the meter after
they caught on fire.


I found the source of an "Arc Welder" type of interference in a short
time while walking my dog. When it rained out, it was horrible, and
could be heard. Eventually, it could be heard 24/7.


After about 6 months of being told, "It's on the list", a direct hit by
lightning took care of the transformer, blowing it to pieces. It was
worth the outage. My background went from a S-9 at it worst to nearly 0.


BDK


I have walked around and there isn't any single direction the noise is
coming from.
I used a WL1030, with my messed up arm my wife was carrying the loop,
and other
the some really odd looks, I couldn't pin it down.


- It is like a giant noise bubble about 500' across centered
- on the empty house behind the house next door.


BUSTED - Call the NARCs !
Sounds like a Marijuana Growing Operation : Uses lot's of AC
Power Usage due to CFL Grow Lites plus the Hydroponics.http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...rban-pot_x.htm


How Can Someone 'Spot' a Marijuana Grow Operation?http://solgps.gov.ab.ca/drugs/marijuana.aspx?id=3625


Hydroponics -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponics


During the New Years eve outage I got to play commando or cat burglar
and
slipped over to see if there was anything obvious. The electric meter
and telphone
NID are both removed so I don't know what is happening.


Often Illegal Drug Operations are Power Boot-Strappers :
They Jump or By-Pass the AC Mains and Meter.


There are no solar devices etc.
I have contacted the builder that bought the home and he dropped
a key off
with my wife about an hour ago so I can do a walk through.


Any ideas what could be a noise source in an unpowered home?


Terry- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


You called it. The police say there is plenty of evidence of a major
drug growing operation. The wiring was very crude and hidden behind
drywall. The utility engineers are surprised the house didn't burn
down.

Complete details redacted at their request.

Let's just say there were many odd devices left connected to the
bootleg
AC.

Terry



Amazing !

Great story





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