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David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 04:42 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...


Yes, but this doesn't imply that those with brokerage accounts
necessarily tell the truth 100% of the time. Even if you're only
trying to throw up a smoke screen here, you'll have to be more subtle
than this.

Investment accounts are subject to 1099 reporting. Any brokerage account
1099 will show distribution of dividends, long and short term capital gains
and any other taxable transaction, with the data being transmitted to the
IRS electronically. I even have an account that I closed but which ended up
with about $30 left sine some kind of dividend was in processing when I
closed the account and I get an annual 1099 for a couple of cents of
dividends and occasional capital gains of a dollar or two. I have to put
that on my tax return, too.

I can't see how anyone could hide income or capital gains from a brokerage
account since the IRS gets all the data automatically on every such account.
The IRS computers can instantly note a mis-match of income reported at the
source and income declared on a return. Heck, even the interest on checking
and savings accounts gets reported to the IRS.



Steve January 7th 08 04:57 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 
On Jan 7, 11:42*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...

Yes, but this doesn't imply that those with brokerage accounts
necessarily tell the truth 100% of the time. Even if you're only
trying to throw up a smoke screen here, you'll have to be more subtle
than this.

Investment accounts are subject to 1099 reporting. Any brokerage account
1099 will show distribution of dividends, long and short term capital gains
and any other taxable transaction, with the data being transmitted to the
IRS electronically. I even have an account that I closed but which ended up
with about $30 left sine some kind of dividend was in processing when I
closed the account and I get an annual 1099 for a couple of cents of
dividends and occasional capital gains of a dollar or two. I have to put
that on my tax return, too.

I can't see how anyone could hide income or capital gains from a brokerage
account since the IRS gets all the data automatically on every such account.


dxAce January 7th 08 06:19 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...

Yes, but this doesn't imply that those with brokerage accounts
necessarily tell the truth 100% of the time. Even if you're only
trying to throw up a smoke screen here, you'll have to be more subtle
than this.

Investment accounts are subject to 1099 reporting. Any brokerage account
1099 will show distribution of dividends, long and short term capital gains
and any other taxable transaction, with the data being transmitted to the
IRS electronically. I even have an account that I closed but which ended up
with about $30 left sine some kind of dividend was in processing when I
closed the account and I get an annual 1099 for a couple of cents of
dividends and occasional capital gains of a dollar or two. I have to put
that on my tax return, too.

I can't see how anyone could hide income or capital gains from a brokerage
account since the IRS gets all the data automatically on every such account.
The IRS computers can instantly note a mis-match of income reported at the
source and income declared on a return. Heck, even the interest on checking
and savings accounts gets reported to the IRS.


Heck, even faux Hispanics get reported to the IRS.



dxAce January 7th 08 06:31 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


Steve wrote:

On Jan 7, 11:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...

Yes, but this doesn't imply that those with brokerage accounts
necessarily tell the truth 100% of the time. Even if you're only
trying to throw up a smoke screen here, you'll have to be more subtle
than this.

Investment accounts are subject to 1099 reporting. Any brokerage account
1099 will show distribution of dividends, long and short term capital gains
and any other taxable transaction, with the data being transmitted to the
IRS electronically. I even have an account that I closed but which ended up
with about $30 left sine some kind of dividend was in processing when I
closed the account and I get an annual 1099 for a couple of cents of
dividends and occasional capital gains of a dollar or two. I have to put
that on my tax return, too.

I can't see how anyone could hide income or capital gains from a brokerage
account since the IRS gets all the data automatically on every such account.
The IRS computers can instantly note a mis-match of income reported at the
source and income declared on a return. Heck, even the interest on checking
and savings accounts gets reported to the IRS.


I don't see how your remarks above are relevant. You aren't trying to
hide anything from the IRS, so far as I know. You're simply lying to
the readers of this group about how much money you have.

Have you ever thought about taking up a hobby, like stamp collecting?


If he did, he'd probably lie about having or having had at least a dozen of the
'inverted jenny' airmail stamps.

All in someone else's name of course.



David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 07:37 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Jan 7, 11:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...

Yes, but this doesn't imply that those with brokerage accounts
necessarily tell the truth 100% of the time. Even if you're only
trying to throw up a smoke screen here, you'll have to be more subtle
than this.

Investment accounts are subject to 1099 reporting. Any brokerage account
1099 will show distribution of dividends, long and short term capital
gains
and any other taxable transaction, with the data being transmitted to the
IRS electronically. I even have an account that I closed but which ended
up
with about $30 left sine some kind of dividend was in processing when I
closed the account and I get an annual 1099 for a couple of cents of
dividends and occasional capital gains of a dollar or two. I have to put
that on my tax return, too.

I can't see how anyone could hide income or capital gains from a brokerage
account since the IRS gets all the data automatically on every such
account.
The IRS computers can instantly note a mis-match of income reported at the
source and income declared on a return. Heck, even the interest on
checking
and savings accounts gets reported to the IRS.


I don't see how your remarks above are relevant. You aren't trying to
hide anything from the IRS, so far as I know. You're simply lying to
the readers of this group about how much money you have.

You don't have to have much money to find advantages in a living trust. Even
if a family's only wealth is in home equity, it is appropriate.

Have you ever thought about taking up a hobby, like stamp collecting?

My hobby and profession are the same, radio.



David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 07:40 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


All in someone else's name of course.



A trust or a corporation do not constitute having something in "someone
else's name."

A living trust simply presestablishes the future ownership of one's assets
upon death, with the objective being the avoidance of probate and the
resultant delays and costs.

A corporation is not a person. It is a legal entity for an enterprise that
shields the owners or shareholders from personal liability. There are
corporations that are 100% owned by one individual, where all shares are in
one name... and the shares are nominative.



dxAce January 7th 08 07:44 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Jan 7, 11:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...

Yes, but this doesn't imply that those with brokerage accounts
necessarily tell the truth 100% of the time. Even if you're only
trying to throw up a smoke screen here, you'll have to be more subtle
than this.

Investment accounts are subject to 1099 reporting. Any brokerage account
1099 will show distribution of dividends, long and short term capital
gains
and any other taxable transaction, with the data being transmitted to the
IRS electronically. I even have an account that I closed but which ended
up
with about $30 left sine some kind of dividend was in processing when I
closed the account and I get an annual 1099 for a couple of cents of
dividends and occasional capital gains of a dollar or two. I have to put
that on my tax return, too.

I can't see how anyone could hide income or capital gains from a brokerage
account since the IRS gets all the data automatically on every such
account.
The IRS computers can instantly note a mis-match of income reported at the
source and income declared on a return. Heck, even the interest on
checking
and savings accounts gets reported to the IRS.


I don't see how your remarks above are relevant. You aren't trying to
hide anything from the IRS, so far as I know. You're simply lying to
the readers of this group about how much money you have.

You don't have to have much money to find advantages in a living trust. Even
if a family's only wealth is in home equity, it is appropriate.

Have you ever thought about taking up a hobby, like stamp collecting?

My hobby and profession are the same, radio.


I just gotta take a moment here to LMFAO!



dxAce January 7th 08 07:45 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


All in someone else's name of course.



A trust or a corporation do not constitute having something in "someone
else's name."

A living trust simply presestablishes the future ownership of one's assets
upon death, with the objective being the avoidance of probate and the
resultant delays and costs.

A corporation is not a person. It is a legal entity for an enterprise that
shields the owners or shareholders from personal liability. There are
corporations that are 100% owned by one individual, where all shares are in
one name... and the shares are nominative.


And yet another moment to LMFAO!



David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 07:51 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


All in someone else's name of course.



A trust or a corporation do not constitute having something in "someone
else's name."

A living trust simply presestablishes the future ownership of one's
assets
upon death, with the objective being the avoidance of probate and the
resultant delays and costs.

A corporation is not a person. It is a legal entity for an enterprise
that
shields the owners or shareholders from personal liability. There are
corporations that are 100% owned by one individual, where all shares are
in
one name... and the shares are nominative.


And yet another moment to LMFAO!


In other words, you disagree with the need for living trusts and shielding
personal assets through incorporation?



dxAce January 7th 08 07:57 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


All in someone else's name of course.



A trust or a corporation do not constitute having something in "someone
else's name."

A living trust simply presestablishes the future ownership of one's
assets
upon death, with the objective being the avoidance of probate and the
resultant delays and costs.

A corporation is not a person. It is a legal entity for an enterprise
that
shields the owners or shareholders from personal liability. There are
corporations that are 100% owned by one individual, where all shares are
in
one name... and the shares are nominative.


And yet another moment to LMFAO!


In other words, you disagree with the need for living trusts and shielding
personal assets through incorporation?


No, I'm LMFAO because you dodged the whole 'inverted jenny' thing...

....'Eduardo', you're one of the most hilarious folks I've ever encountered.



David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 08:12 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


All in someone else's name of course.



A trust or a corporation do not constitute having something in
"someone
else's name."

A living trust simply presestablishes the future ownership of one's
assets
upon death, with the objective being the avoidance of probate and the
resultant delays and costs.

A corporation is not a person. It is a legal entity for an enterprise
that
shields the owners or shareholders from personal liability. There are
corporations that are 100% owned by one individual, where all shares
are
in
one name... and the shares are nominative.

And yet another moment to LMFAO!


In other words, you disagree with the need for living trusts and
shielding
personal assets through incorporation?


No, I'm LMFAO because you dodged the whole 'inverted jenny' thing...


I don't collect stamps, and could certainly not have more of the surviving
examples of an issue than have been sold in the last 5 years.



dxAce January 7th 08 08:17 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


All in someone else's name of course.



A trust or a corporation do not constitute having something in
"someone
else's name."

A living trust simply presestablishes the future ownership of one's
assets
upon death, with the objective being the avoidance of probate and the
resultant delays and costs.

A corporation is not a person. It is a legal entity for an enterprise
that
shields the owners or shareholders from personal liability. There are
corporations that are 100% owned by one individual, where all shares
are
in
one name... and the shares are nominative.

And yet another moment to LMFAO!


In other words, you disagree with the need for living trusts and
shielding
personal assets through incorporation?


No, I'm LMFAO because you dodged the whole 'inverted jenny' thing...


I don't collect stamps, and could certainly not have more of the surviving
examples of an issue than have been sold in the last 5 years.


In other words, if you did collect stamps you'd find something to lie about!



Steve January 7th 08 09:41 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 
On Jan 7, 2:37*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...
On Jan 7, 11:42 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"Steve" wrote in message


...


Yes, but this doesn't imply that those with brokerage accounts
necessarily tell the truth 100% of the time. Even if you're only
trying to throw up a smoke screen here, you'll have to be more subtle
than this.


Investment accounts are subject to 1099 reporting. Any brokerage account
1099 will show distribution of dividends, long and short term capital
gains
and any other taxable transaction, with the data being transmitted to the
IRS electronically. I even have an account that I closed but which ended
up
with about $30 left sine some kind of dividend was in processing when I
closed the account and I get an annual 1099 for a couple of cents of
dividends and occasional capital gains of a dollar or two. I have to put
that on my tax return, too.


I can't see how anyone could hide income or capital gains from a brokerage
account since the IRS gets all the data automatically on every such
account.
The IRS computers can instantly note a mis-match of income reported at the
source and income declared on a return. Heck, even the interest on
checking
and savings accounts gets reported to the IRS.


I don't see how your remarks above are relevant. You aren't trying to
hide anything from the IRS, so far as I know. You're simply lying to
the readers of this group about how much money you have.

You don't have to have much money to find advantages in a living trust. Even
if a family's only wealth is in home equity, it is appropriate.

Have you ever thought about taking up a hobby, like stamp collecting?

My hobby and profession are the same, radio.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.

David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 09:53 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.


Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business. Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.

Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business without
listeners. So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio stations
in their market. MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."

Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.




dxAce January 7th 08 10:00 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.


Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business. Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.

Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business without
listeners. So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio stations
in their market. MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."

Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.


Ain't that the nation that tossed your lying ass out?



Steve January 7th 08 10:04 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 
On Jan 7, 4:53*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...

You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.


Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business.


Again you are incorrect. Radio can be a business, but it need not be
so. There is a transceiver sitting on my desk. I have never attempted
to earn money with it.

Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.


Most people who read this group are probably already aware that non-
commercial stations exist and have budgets.



Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business without
listeners.


And most of them know that they can't have listeners without
interesting programming. And most of them know that they can't
broadcast interesting programs when they're drowing in interference
from the station down the road.

So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio stations
in their market.



Interesting ellipsis. What you meant to say was "I have considerable
respect for the listener (who happens to share my misconceptions and
biases)..."


MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."



This is a nice statement of the problem. Here's hoping we find a
workable solution.


Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.


Except of course for your disdain for those who aim to make radio
better, more relevant and better able to meet the needs of listeners.

David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 10:12 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.


Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business. Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets
and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.

Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business
without
listeners. So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most
of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio
stations
in their market. MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."

Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain
I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.


Ain't that the nation that tossed your lying ass out?


When you have risked your life and property to defend democracy, let me
know.



David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 10:18 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Jan 7, 4:53 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...

You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.


Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business.


Again you are incorrect. Radio can be a business, but it need not be
so. There is a transceiver sitting on my desk. I have never attempted
to earn money with it.


You are being obtuse. We are talking about MW and FM broadcast stations and
such, not point to point communications devices.

Specifically, stations between 530 AM and 1700 AM and 88 and 108 MHZ in this
Hemisphere, not CB transcievers.

Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.


Most people who read this group are probably already aware that non-
commercial stations exist and have budgets.

Then they are aware that radio broadcasting is a business, whether for
profit or not, with the possible exception of state run facilities, which
are a totally different animal.

Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business
without
listeners.


And most of them know that they can't have listeners without
interesting programming. And most of them know that they can't
broadcast interesting programs when they're drowing in interference
from the station down the road.

Local stations in their local service areas are not being drowned by
interference in the US.

So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio stations
in their market.



Interesting ellipsis. What you meant to say was "I have considerable
respect for the listener (who happens to share my misconceptions and
biases)..."

Actually, my opinions and actions are based almost totally on listener
input.

MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."


This is a nice statement of the problem. Here's hoping we find a
workable solution.

Since there is no problem, no solution is needed.


Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain
I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.


Except of course for your disdain for those who aim to make radio
better, more relevant and better able to meet the needs of listeners.

When you have talked with about 10,000 listeners a year, get back to me on
this. Most people who claim to be making radio "better" really want to make
radio better for their individual tastes or opinions. The rest of us who
work with real and successful radio stations don't look at "better" and
"worse" but at what the listener wants today.



dxAce January 7th 08 10:30 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 


David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.

Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business. Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets
and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.

Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business
without
listeners. So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most
of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio
stations
in their market. MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."

Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain
I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.


Ain't that the nation that tossed your lying ass out?


When you have risked your life and property to defend democracy, let me
know.


Damn! You sure are hilarious!



Steve January 7th 08 10:34 PM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios willsave it!
 
On Jan 7, 5:18*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...
On Jan 7, 4:53 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message


...


You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.


Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business.
Again you are incorrect. Radio can be a business, but it need not be
so. There is a transceiver sitting on my desk. I have never attempted
to earn money with it.


You are being obtuse. We are talking about MW and FM broadcast stations and
such, not point to point communications devices.


If that's what you're talking about, you should choose your words more
carefully.


Specifically, stations between 530 AM and 1700 AM and 88 and 108 MHZ in this
Hemisphere, not CB transcievers.

Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.


Most people who read this group are probably already aware that non-
commercial stations exist and have budgets.

Then they are aware that radio broadcasting is a business, whether for
profit or not, with the possible exception of state run facilities, which
are a totally different animal.


Nope. They are aware of that, too.


Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business
without
listeners.


And most of them know that they can't have listeners without
interesting programming. And most of them know that they can't
broadcast interesting programs when they're drowing in interference
from the station down the road.

Local stations in their local service areas are not being drowned by
interference in the US.


Yes, they are. You obviously don't spend much time listening to the
radio.


So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most of

my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio stations
in their market.


Interesting ellipsis. What you meant to say was "I have considerable
respect for the listener (who happens to share my misconceptions and
biases)..."

Actually, my opinions and actions are based almost totally on listener
input.


Garbage in, garbage out....


MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."


This is a nice statement of the problem. Here's hoping we find a
workable solution.

Since there is no problem, no solution is needed.


If there is no problem, why are you talking about one?


Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain
I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.


Except of course for your disdain for those who aim to make radio
better, more relevant and better able to meet the needs of listeners.

When you have talked with about 10,000 listeners a year, get back to me on
this.


I'll get back to you when I see some evidence of your actually having
listened to the radio once or twice.

Most people who claim to be making radio "better" really want to make
radio better for their individual tastes or opinions. The rest of us who
work with real and successful radio stations don't look at "better" and
"worse" but at what the listener wants today.


People like you don't, and perhaps can't, look beyond the blinders you
wear. Five years from now you'll probably still be a luddite, but
others will read your posts and feel embarrassed for you.

David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 10:46 PM

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"Steve" wrote in message
...

You are being obtuse. We are talking about MW and FM broadcast stations
and
such, not point to point communications devices.


If that's what you're talking about, you should choose your words more
carefully.

You are, as I said, being obtuse. And ingenuous.

Then they are aware that radio broadcasting is a business, whether for
profit or not, with the possible exception of state run facilities, which
are a totally different animal.


Nope. They are aware of that, too.

Many state broadcasters are run for political gain or to provide employment
for supporters. They are many times not run in a businesslike manner.

Local stations in their local service areas are not being drowned by
interference in the US.


Yes, they are. You obviously don't spend much time listening to the
radio.

Cite, please, a few examples, of US stations being interferred with in their
local interference free countours.

Actually, my opinions and actions are based almost totally on listener
input.


Garbage in, garbage out....

You had better decide. Either listener input is good or bad, but it can not
be both.

When you have talked with about 10,000 listeners a year, get back to me on
this.


I'll get back to you when I see some evidence of your actually having
listened to the radio once or twice.

I listen all day and most of the night.

People like you don't, and perhaps can't, look beyond the blinders you
wear. Five years from now you'll probably still be a luddite, but
others will read your posts and feel embarrassed for you.

I am not interested in programming something I like. I am interested in
finding out what listeners like, and having our team of about 70 programmers
use listener guidance to create radio that appeals to large groups of
listeners. Talking to listeners is hardly embarrassing; talking as if you
knew what you were saying when you don't is.



dxAce January 7th 08 10:48 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.

Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business. Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets
and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.

Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business
without
listeners. So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most
of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio
stations
in their market. MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."

Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain
I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.


Ain't that the nation that tossed your lying ass out?


When you have risked your life and property to defend democracy, let me
know.


Please, enlighten us once again with your tales!



David Eduardo[_4_] January 7th 08 10:49 PM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Please, enlighten us once again with your tales!



Please enlighten us once again about how you bought 10,000 rounds of Russian
ammo.



D Peter Maus January 7th 08 10:53 PM

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dxAce wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

David Eduardo wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
...
You mean business, don't you? You appear to be a businessman who has
nothing but disdain for radio.
Radio, except for government run facilities, is a business. Even private
sector non-commercial stations, like HCJB, are businesses with budgets
and
systems intended to make them run efficiently.

Most broadcasters know that they can not have a successful business
without
listeners. So I have considerable respect for the listener and spend most
of
my time finding out at the street level what they want from radio
stations
in their market. MW and FM stations' markets are, today, the metropolitan
area where they operate, not someplace far away... so for such cases,
"listener" is synonymous with "local listener."

Having lived and worked many decades ago in a nation where, at one time,
domestic SW was the only "local" radio for a significant part of the
population, I can still remember when SW might have fit a commercial
station's business model. Today, in most places, it does not. Any disdain
I
feel is for those who think that yesterday's radio is relevant today.
Ain't that the nation that tossed your lying ass out?

When you have risked your life and property to defend democracy, let me
know.


Please, enlighten us once again with your tales!


Yeah, even I want to hear about how you defend democracy by leaving
the conflict.

The heroes I know, who risked life and property to defend democracy
took up arms and brought the fight to those who would challenge democracy.

There is no risk in leaving the fight behind.


And as I said some time ago, the only thing I've ever heard you
renounce is your citizenship.



dxAce January 7th 08 10:54 PM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Please, enlighten us once again with your tales!



Please enlighten us once again about how you bought 10,000 rounds of Russian
ammo.


Ya just plunk the money down. Pretty simple, oh faux one!

So please, tell us once again how you 'risked your life and property to defend
democracy'.



Steve January 7th 08 11:26 PM

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On Jan 7, 6:02*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...



Local stations in their local service areas are not being drowned by
interference in the US.


Yes, they are. You obviously don't spend much time listening to the
radio.


Cite, please, a few examples, of US stations being interferred with in
their
local interference free countours.


Just about all of the ones I hear in NYC.

What NYC stations are being interferred with inside their licensed
interference free contours? I do not know of one.


I can't find any that aren't being interfered with.

David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 12:47 AM

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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Yeah, even I want to hear about how you defend democracy by leaving
the conflict.


For more than half a year, my colleague at Diario El Tiempo and I voiced
opposition to the military junta in Ecuador by talking and writing about
the promised return to democracy. He disappeared (or was disappeared) and
I was given 24 hours to leave... the fellows in uniforms had rifles, so
there was not a "road to appeal" available.
The heroes I know, who risked life and property to defend democracy
took up arms and brought the fight to those who would challenge
democracy.


And some took up themightiest sword, the pen.



But in each case, they took the fight to the enemy. Leaving doesn't
risk, nor does it defend.



There is no risk in leaving the fight behind.


I would get a good chuckle out of finding out how you think I could have
remained, given I was escorted to the airport; the intent was to silence the
radio stations by nationalization, not to silence me personally.

Tell that to Diego Ortiz of El Tiempo. Or to his widow and children.



And you're now in his class? Um....idontthinkso.


I was not similarly treated only because the junta was concerned about
disappearing a foreigner.




David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 12:48 AM

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"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Jan 7, 6:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...



Local stations in their local service areas are not being drowned by
interference in the US.


Yes, they are. You obviously don't spend much time listening to the
radio.


Cite, please, a few examples, of US stations being interferred with in
their
local interference free countours.


Just about all of the ones I hear in NYC.

What NYC stations are being interferred with inside their licensed
interference free contours? I do not know of one.


I can't find any that aren't being interfered with.

The company I am with has three NYC metro stations, and none is being
interfered with. Neither is any other, per our CE who goes to the SBE
meetings and would have heard about this.



dxAce January 8th 08 12:52 AM

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David Eduardo wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Yeah, even I want to hear about how you defend democracy by leaving
the conflict.

For more than half a year, my colleague at Diario El Tiempo and I voiced
opposition to the military junta in Ecuador by talking and writing about
the promised return to democracy. He disappeared (or was disappeared) and
I was given 24 hours to leave... the fellows in uniforms had rifles, so
there was not a "road to appeal" available.
The heroes I know, who risked life and property to defend democracy
took up arms and brought the fight to those who would challenge
democracy.

And some took up themightiest sword, the pen.



But in each case, they took the fight to the enemy. Leaving doesn't
risk, nor does it defend.



There is no risk in leaving the fight behind.


I would get a good chuckle out of finding out how you think I could have
remained, given I was escorted to the airport; the intent was to silence the
radio stations by nationalization, not to silence me personally.


So, regale us yet again with your tale of selling the radio stations which were
nationalized.



David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 01:20 AM

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"dxAce" wrote in message
...


David Eduardo wrote:

"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Yeah, even I want to hear about how you defend democracy by leaving
the conflict.

For more than half a year, my colleague at Diario El Tiempo and I
voiced
opposition to the military junta in Ecuador by talking and writing
about
the promised return to democracy. He disappeared (or was disappeared)
and
I was given 24 hours to leave... the fellows in uniforms had rifles,
so
there was not a "road to appeal" available.
The heroes I know, who risked life and property to defend democracy
took up arms and brought the fight to those who would challenge
democracy.

And some took up themightiest sword, the pen.


But in each case, they took the fight to the enemy. Leaving
doesn't
risk, nor does it defend.



There is no risk in leaving the fight behind.


I would get a good chuckle out of finding out how you think I could have
remained, given I was escorted to the airport; the intent was to silence
the
radio stations by nationalization, not to silence me personally.


So, regale us yet again with your tale of selling the radio stations which
were
nationalized.


I did not ever sell any station in Ecuador. The government wished to
nationalize the station group. In the 24 hours I had before being put on a
plane (it was the era when there were not flights every day to the US out of
Quito, which was then only a daylight airport) I had my attorney (Lic.
Benjamín Cevallos assisted by Lic. Segundo Maiguashca) transfer most of the
stations to an employee cooperative, headed by Ulpiano Orozco. Since the
junta felt it was " a people's government" and was similar to that of Gral.
Velasco in Perú, they could not take the stations away from "the workers"
which was my intent... both to save their jobs and to keep the government
from closing the stations. The shares of two frequencies were transferred to
my daughter's name, and the whole deal made contingent on this last step,
under the hope the government would leave the whole arrangement alone due to
the adverse publicity messing with an employee cooperative would bring.

Since I had a VP / General Manager position in what is now the US' 13th
largest market within 2 weeks of leaving, I came out both alive and
employed. The experience of building a dozen stations in just a few years,
learning how to sell them and manage them, was of immense value... and given
the economic conditions of Ecuador today, probably as positive as the whole
thing was negative.



Steve January 8th 08 01:44 AM

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On Jan 7, 7:48*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...
On Jan 7, 6:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"Steve" wrote in message


...


Local stations in their local service areas are not being drowned by
interference in the US.


Yes, they are. You obviously don't spend much time listening to the
radio.


Cite, please, a few examples, of US stations being interferred with in
their
local interference free countours.


Just about all of the ones I hear in NYC.


What NYC stations are being interferred with inside their licensed
interference free contours? I do not know of one.


I can't find any that aren't being interfered with.

The company I am with has three NYC metro stations, and none is being
interfered with. Neither is any other, per our CE who goes to the SBE
meetings and would have heard about this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Lol. Someone is obviously not doing their job. Oh well.

Steve January 8th 08 01:47 AM

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On Jan 7, 8:20*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message

...







David Eduardo wrote:


"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
* Yeah, even I want to hear about how you defend democracy by leaving
the conflict.


For more than half a year, my colleague at Diario El Tiempo and I
voiced
opposition to the military junta in Ecuador by talking and writing
about
the promised return to democracy. He disappeared (or was disappeared)
and
I was given 24 hours to leave... the fellows in uniforms had rifles,
so
there was not a "road to appeal" available.
* The heroes I know, who risked life and property to defend democracy
took up arms and brought the fight to those who would challenge
democracy.


And some took up themightiest sword, the pen.


* * But in each case, they took the fight to the enemy. *Leaving
doesn't
risk, nor does it defend.


* There is no risk in leaving the fight behind.


I would get a good chuckle out of finding out how you think I could have
remained, given I was escorted to the airport; the intent was to silence
the
radio stations by nationalization, not to silence me personally.


So, regale us yet again with your tale of selling the radio stations which
were
nationalized.


I did not ever sell any station in Ecuador. The government wished to
nationalize the station group. In the 24 hours I had before being put on a
plane (it was the era when there were not flights every day to the US out of
Quito, which was then only a daylight airport) I had my attorney (Lic.
Benjamín Cevallos assisted *by Lic. Segundo Maiguashca) transfer most of the
stations to an employee cooperative, headed by Ulpiano Orozco. Since the
junta felt it was " a people's government" and was similar to that of Gral..
Velasco in Perú, they could not take the stations away from "the workers"
which was my intent... both to save their jobs and to keep the government
from closing the stations. The shares of two frequencies were transferred to
my daughter's name, and the whole deal made contingent on this last step,
under the hope the government would leave the whole arrangement alone due to
the adverse publicity messing with an employee cooperative would bring.

Since I had a VP / General Manager position in what is now the US' 13th
largest market within 2 weeks of leaving, I came out both alive and
employed. The experience of building a dozen stations in just a few years,
learning how to sell them and manage them, was of immense value... and given
the economic conditions of Ecuador today, probably as positive as the whole
thing was negative.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Apparently the experience wasn't valuable enough to relieve you of the
perceived need to lie about your educational background and a dozen
other things.

D Peter Maus January 8th 08 02:27 AM

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David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
Yeah, even I want to hear about how you defend democracy by leaving
the conflict.
For more than half a year, my colleague at Diario El Tiempo and I voiced
opposition to the military junta in Ecuador by talking and writing about
the promised return to democracy. He disappeared (or was disappeared) and
I was given 24 hours to leave... the fellows in uniforms had rifles, so
there was not a "road to appeal" available.
The heroes I know, who risked life and property to defend democracy
took up arms and brought the fight to those who would challenge
democracy.
And some took up themightiest sword, the pen.


But in each case, they took the fight to the enemy. Leaving doesn't
risk, nor does it defend.


There is no risk in leaving the fight behind.


I would get a good chuckle out of finding out how you think I could have
remained, given I was escorted to the airport; the intent was to silence the
radio stations by nationalization, not to silence me personally.



How you would have stayed is not the question. You claim to have
been a defender of democracy. The question is, as a defender, how you
would risk life and property by leaving.

Changing the subject is another charming debate tactic designed to
get you out of clarifying a statement that makes no sense.

Once again, making my point for me.






David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 03:42 AM

Yea Eadurdo, radio is a growth-industry and crappy HD radios will save it!
 

"Steve" wrote in message
...
On Jan 7, 7:48 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message

...
On Jan 7, 6:02 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:





"Steve" wrote in message


...


Local stations in their local service areas are not being drowned by
interference in the US.


Yes, they are. You obviously don't spend much time listening to the
radio.


Cite, please, a few examples, of US stations being interferred with in
their
local interference free countours.


Just about all of the ones I hear in NYC.


What NYC stations are being interferred with inside their licensed
interference free contours? I do not know of one.


I can't find any that aren't being interfered with.

The company I am with has three NYC metro stations, and none is being
interfered with. Neither is any other, per our CE who goes to the SBE
meetings and would have heard about this.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Lol. Someone is obviously not doing their job. Oh well.

There is no job to do here. There is no interference.




David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 03:45 AM

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"Steve" wrote in message
...

Apparently the experience wasn't valuable enough to relieve you of the
perceived need to lie about your educational background and a dozen
other things.


My educational background is on my website, verifiable and correct.

On the other hand, your claim of interference to every and all NYC radio
stations IS a big, fat lie.



David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 03:46 AM

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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:


There is no risk in leaving the fight behind.


I would get a good chuckle out of finding out how you think I could have
remained, given I was escorted to the airport; the intent was to silence
the radio stations by nationalization, not to silence me personally.



How you would have stayed is not the question. You claim to have been
a defender of democracy. The question is, as a defender, how you would
risk life and property by leaving.


I did not leave, I was sent out of the country, by an armed escort. I risked
life and property, lost all my property and barely kept my life.

Changing the subject is another charming debate tactic designed to get
you out of clarifying a statement that makes no sense.

Once again, making my point for me.


You made no point. "Left the country" sounds voluntary. Removed at gunpoint
is the reality of the matter.



Telamon January 8th 08 03:47 AM

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In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


.

I'm certain the IRS will be just as amused as I am.


I'll be calling them first thing tomorrow.

Nothing faux about that, eh boy?


Who cares? I've had a very competent CPA do my taxes for years, been through
several audits without a charge, and can certainly go through another...

Now you can go back to the drinking.


Sounds like they are on to you. Maybe they will catch you this year.
People don't get audited on a regular basis for nothing. You must be
doing something to raise their suspicions. Whatever it is you had better
stop doing it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon January 8th 08 03:51 AM

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In article ,
dxAce wrote:

m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Supreme Commander United Michigan Militias (S.C.U.M.M) wrote:

Now you can go back to the drinking.

Great! But I'll still call 'em tomorrow!


Have the FBI been around yet to check up on your unregistered weapons
cache? They like your profile, boy. You fit the lunatic mold to a 'T'.

It seems to me your good friend Cuhulin was telling this newsgroup just
a little while ago that the only good Air Marshall is a dead one. Did
you put him up to that craziness?

Remember? It was only a few months after you bought those ten thousand
rounds of communist Chinese ammo for 69 bucks


It was Russian ammo. I don't like the Chinese stuff.


Careful Ace, your scaring Mikey. No telling what he might do.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 03:52 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


.

I'm certain the IRS will be just as amused as I am.

I'll be calling them first thing tomorrow.

Nothing faux about that, eh boy?


Who cares? I've had a very competent CPA do my taxes for years, been
through
several audits without a charge, and can certainly go through another...

Now you can go back to the drinking.


Sounds like they are on to you. Maybe they will catch you this year.
People don't get audited on a regular basis for nothing. You must be
doing something to raise their suspicions. Whatever it is you had better
stop doing it.


Several audits in 43 years of filing returns is hardly a lot. Never paid a
penny in additional charges, because I pay what I owe and pay it on time.

You, on the other hand, seem to know all about frequent audits.



David Eduardo[_4_] January 8th 08 03:53 AM

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"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dxAce wrote:

m II wrote:

dxAcehole, Supreme Commander United Michigan Militias (S.C.U.M.M)
wrote:

Now you can go back to the drinking.

Great! But I'll still call 'em tomorrow!

Have the FBI been around yet to check up on your unregistered weapons
cache? They like your profile, boy. You fit the lunatic mold to a 'T'.

It seems to me your good friend Cuhulin was telling this newsgroup just
a little while ago that the only good Air Marshall is a dead one. Did
you put him up to that craziness?

Remember? It was only a few months after you bought those ten thousand
rounds of communist Chinese ammo for 69 bucks


It was Russian ammo. I don't like the Chinese stuff.


Careful Ace, your scaring Mikey. No telling what he might do.


No telling what Ace might do when he has his guns and his booze and his
prescriptions all at hand... keep him away from the ammo.




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