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D Peter Maus March 17th 08 06:51 PM

For those who said it can't happen......
 



Note the last CCU Requirement.

If granted, Step One has been taken.


From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************


Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions

CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.

"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.

The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:

* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require that HD Radio capabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.

RHF March 17th 08 08:21 PM

IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......
 
On Mar 17, 11:51*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.

If granted, Step One has been taken.

*From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************

Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions

CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.

"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.

The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:

* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require that HD Radio capabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.


DPM,

The two key things i see here are :

XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".

Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.

we are doomed ~ RHF

Telamon March 18th 08 01:11 AM

IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......
 
In article
,
RHF wrote:

SNIP

we are doomed ~ RHF


Yes, you are doomed.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

dave March 18th 08 12:27 PM

For those who said it can't happen......
 
D Peter Maus wrote:




* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."


How lame. Instead of getting the 1st Amendment to apply to radio they
want to hobble everyone else. Nobody can prove that hearing the word
"****" does anyone, including children, the slightest bit of harm.

dave March 18th 08 12:32 PM

IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......
 
D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:51 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.

If granted, Step One has been taken.

From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************

Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions

CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.

"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.

The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:

* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require that HD Radio capabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.


DPM,

The two key things i see here are :

XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".

Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.

we are doomed ~ RHF
.



No doubt....it's gonna suck.

Interestingly, both XM and Sirius, having created a loyal, if small,
customer base by appealing to those who do NOT want to suffer through
CCU style programming, may be indundated with CCU style programming
anyway...by CCU's insistenence...not XM or Sirius'. Meaning that, now, a
competitor can directly dictate a company's content by mandate? Bull****.

Further, if an indecency mandate should be part of the merger decree,
one of the key selling points for moving away from the overhomogeninzed
pap and pablum of terrestrial radio evaporates. Ending most uneditied
comedy channel content, and re-shackling Howard Stern.

But the key provision is an FCC mandate that all satellite radios
include HD terrestrial reception. First step to an all digital
broadcasting conversion....a stated goal of both iBiquity AND Powell's FCC.

If CCU prevails here...XM and Sirius in trouble.

And iPod sales will spike.


XM and Sirius are becoming less relevant by the minute. They were nice
to have around for a while, and I still have Sirius in my 3 vehicles,
but there are much better choices for music and talk lovers at home and
at work.

RHF March 18th 08 12:32 PM

For those who said it can't happen......
 
On Mar 18, 5:27*am, dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:

* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."


- How lame. *Instead of getting the 1st Amendment
- to apply to radio they want to hobble everyone else.
-*Nobody can prove that hearing the word
- "****" does anyone, including children,
- the slightest bit of harm.

Dave - TFYS ! - Now go Wash your Mouth-out. ;-} ~ RHF
TFYS = The F*ck You Say !

D Peter Maus March 18th 08 02:36 PM

IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......
 
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:53 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:51 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.
If granted, Step One has been taken.
From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************
Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions
CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.
"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.
The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:
* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require that HD Radio capabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.
DPM,
The two key things i see here are :
XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".
Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.
we are doomed ~ RHF
.

No doubt....it's gonna suck.

Interestingly, both XM and Sirius, having created a loyal, if small,
customer base by appealing to those who do NOT want to suffer through
CCU style programming, may be indundated with CCU style programming
anyway...by CCU's insistenence...not XM or Sirius'. Meaning that, now, a
competitor can directly dictate a company's content by mandate? Bull****.

Further, if an indecency mandate should be part of the merger decree,
one of the key selling points for moving away from the overhomogeninzed
pap and pablum of terrestrial radio evaporates. Ending most uneditied
comedy channel content, and re-shackling Howard Stern.

But the key provision is an FCC mandate that all satellite radios
include HD terrestrial reception. First step to an all digital
broadcasting conversion....a stated goal of both iBiquity AND Powell's FCC.

If CCU prevails here...XM and Sirius in trouble.

And iPod sales will spike.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


1 - DPM,
Plus the ERA of "Commercial Free" Satellite Radio Is Over
when the Terrestrial AM/FM Radio Stations {Networks} can
put their 'Content' on DS Radio Systems.

A number of the present XM-Sirius Customers are 'there'
because for the most part it has been "Commercial Free".

With this proposal up to 50% of what is on a DS Radio
System could be Audio Programming Content that is
Laced with Commercials.

Say Bye-Bye to the Subscribers who were motovated
by the Commerical Free aspects of DS Radio.



We discussed this three years ago. Commercial content was inevitable.
As soon as Sat Radio achieved a ratable audience, commercial content was
assured. In less than a year after that conversation, commercials began
appearing on XM. If Sat Radio becomes a successful vehicle, they will
clamor to get on board. And with Karmazin at the helm, there would be no
way to prevent commercial content. His Holy Grail of broadcast is
subscription radio with commercial support. 'Never rely on one revenue
stream."

If CCU gets their way here, a very great deal about Sat Radio will
change.

Top of the list, its subscriber base.



2 - DPM,
Again IMHO It is not -if- It is only a matter of "When"
the FCC Mandates : "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios
One Part - AM/FM "HD" Radio using IBCO
One Part - Direct Satellite (DS) Radio -or- an Optional
Play-and-Play DS Radio Interface Feature in every Radio.
Plus One Part - WiFi and/or BlueTooth for Direct
Internet "Connectivity"

THE ALL MODE & ALL DIGITAL RADIO STANDARD*
* Done In the Name of the Public Interest by the FCC
for a Digital Society ensuring that Everyone has Equal
Access to New Technology and Digital Audio Content.



We've been discussing this also. If HD is to survive, it will need a
mandate. And FCC is committed to all digital broadcasting since Michael
Powell.



all things being equal - we are so screwed :-{ ~ RHF
.



Yeah, pretty much.




IBOCcrock March 18th 08 04:24 PM

For those who said it can't happen......
 
On Mar 17, 1:51 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.

If granted, Step One has been taken.

From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************

Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions

CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.

"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.

The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:

* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require thatHD Radiocapabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.


"Ibiquity Publishes Proposed Rule For Merger"

"This represents $100's of millions of dollars if the premium is only
$10 per chipset. How much is the premium in reality? $20? $30? This
information is needed to consider exactly what is being placed on the
table by Ibiquity. Ibiquity is looking for such a concession so that
they will no longer have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars, and
negotiate with OEM partners. While seeing exactly what their proposal
seeks is helpful, there are still more answers that are needed. Taking
away hudreds of millions of dollars in synergies is not a viable
answer at this point."

http://siriusbuzz.com/ibiquity-publi...for-merger.php

"Satellite Radio Facing Bankruptcy?"

"Satellite radio companies have been suffering heavy losses - and
plunging stock prices - even as they continue to add subscribers. And
a front-page story in Tuesday's Wall Street Journal warns that the
worst may be yet to come... Industry leader XM Satellite Radio
Holdings Inc. lost $667 million last year, and rival Sirius Satellite
Radio Inc. lost $863 million. The big losses have shaken investor
confidence in the industry. XM shares have lost 71 percent of their
value this year, and Sirius shares have lost 51 percent... For one
thing, a substantial number of people who buy vehicles with pre-
installed satellite radios don't activate them, nor do many who
receive a radio as a gift. It's estimated that 10 percent of all store-
bought radios given as gifts during the last holiday season were never
activated. Also, those who do subscribe often abandon the service
after a period of time, some switching to iPod adapters to provide
music in their vehicle."

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...5/175258.shtml

"Regarding the Technical Aspects of the SDARS Providers XM and Sirius"

"There are significant differences in certain technical aspects of the
two SDARS systems as deployed by XM and Sirius. The systems as
currently deployed are not interoperable. That is to say, an XM
receiver cannot receive the Sirius signal and vice versa. Thus, as is
true today, if the proposed merger of XM and Sirius were consummated,
consumers would still need to purchase a new interoperable receiver in
order to receive the signals of both providers. These differences in
system operation, function, and structure make the design and
implementation of a single unified and interoperable receiver both
complex and expensive. In fact, both XM and Sirius have been working
in a joint venture to develop an interoperable radio since 2000. At
this time, no interoperable radios have been introduced into
commercial production."

http://tinyurl.com/2kek8t

LOL!

IBOCcrock March 18th 08 04:28 PM

IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......
 
On Mar 18, 9:36�am, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 1:53 pm, D Peter Maus wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:51 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Note the last CCU Requirement.
If granted, Step One has been taken.
�From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************
Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions
CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.
"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.
The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:
* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require thatHD Radiocapabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.
DPM,
The two key things i see here are :
XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". �Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".
Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.
we are doomed ~ RHF
�.
� �No doubt....it's gonna suck.


� �Interestingly, both XM and Sirius, having created a loyal, if small,
customer base by appealing to those who do NOT want to suffer through
CCU style programming, may be indundated with CCU style programming
anyway...by CCU's insistenence...not XM or Sirius'. Meaning that, now, a
competitor can directly dictate a company's content by mandate? Bull****.


IBOCcrock March 18th 08 09:21 PM

IBOC + XM/SIRIUS : For those who said it can't happen......
 
On Mar 17, 3:21�pm, RHF wrote:
On Mar 17, 11:51�am, D Peter Maus wrote:





Note the last CCU Requirement.


If granted, Step One has been taken.


�From AllAccess.com
************************************************** *************


Clear Channel Outlines Sirius-XM Merger Concessions


CLEAR CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS outlined its most detailed concession
requirements in a filing with FCC posted TODAY, should the Commission
approve the merger between SIRIUS SATELLITE RADIO INC. and XM SATELLITE
RADIO HOLDINGS INC, reports ORBITCAST.COM. While earlier FCC filings
have essentially reiterated CLEAR CHANNEL's prior argument that granting
the merger would permit for too much spectrum control for a single
entity, the filing posted online TODAY gives the most level of detail
about merger concessions.


"Were the Commission inclined to approve the merger, nonetheless, it
should, at a minimum, impose the following conditions that would be
essential to remain even remotely faithful to Commission precedents and
policies regarding competition, spectrum and preservation of a viable,
locally-oriented, free, over-the-air radio broadcast system," the
company wrote in an ex parte filing.


The merger conditions that CLEAR CHANNEL is requesting include:


* No less than 50% of broadcast capacity be made available for lease to
create "a viable competitive alternative" to the merged company.
* No less than 5% of capacity be set aside for public interest
programming, modeled after the 4-7% requirement for DBS services.
* That Sirius-XM be subject to indecency regulations. Because, "one of
the primary potential dangers to free, over-the-air radio posed by this
merger is siphoning popular, including 'edgy' content, with consequent
loss of advertising revenue."
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from broadcasting local content.
* Sirius-XM be prohibited from receiving local advertising revenue.
* The FCC require thatHD Radiocapabilities be built in to all
satellite radio receivers.


DPM,

The two key things i see here are :

XM-SIRIUS 'you' can have a Monopoly -provide- That 'we'
can buy into your Direct Radio Satellite Service "At Cost";
and you have to set-a-side 50% of your capability for 'us'
to use "At Cost". �Other Non-Satellite Audio Content
Providers get to Ride-A-Long on the XM-Sirius Satellites
"At Cost".

Basically all 'new' US Type Approved Radios will eventually
be "All Mode" {Digital} AM/FM/DS Radios.

we are doomed ~ RHF
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Any sort of mandate would be only for digital DARS radios - good luck
replacing the existing 800,000,000 analog radios. There is no mandate
for digital radio, or for broadcasters to convert to digital. The UK
tried it and failed - consumers opted not to purchase expensive
digital radios.


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