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Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
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I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...f9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks vangellis |
Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
In message , vangellis
writes Hi I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...g-antenna-30mh z-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks vangellis It looks sort-of like a VHF 'Slim Jim' / 'J-Pole' (but it can't be, can it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true - "Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload". -- Ian |
Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
In article ,
"vangellis" wrote: Hi I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...nna-30mhz-pass ive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Watson Miller SW Receiving Antenna
On Mar 31, 5:55*pm, Ian Jackson
wrote: In message , vangellis writesHi I was wondering if anybody had tried one of these. Watson Miller SW Antenna http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...g-antenna-30mh z-passive-p-4085.html?osCsid=ba1bff9be9f92c719ff9ac7ab286fbca I was thinking of getting one. thanks vangellis It looks sort-of like a VHF 'Slim Jim' / 'J-Pole' (but it can't be, can it?). I suspect that this part of the description is very true - "Totally passive, there is also no risk of receiver overload". -- Ian I used to switch between a G5RV (a horizontal dipole over 100' long) and a J-pole for 2 meters (a vertical about 8' long). Under some conditions the short vertical outperformed the long horizontal - could be due to the elevation angle or maybe the azimuth of the desired signal favouring its radiation pattern and vice versa. Also could be due to one pattern discriminating better against unwanted signals and noise. The small antenna's diminishing efficiency at lower frequencies is an advantage as it helps to prevent receiver overload by strong signals at these frequencies. Getting such an antenna up as high as possible and as far away as possible from local interference sources and connecting it to the radio via shielded cable can result in a pretty decent SW antenna. If you still have a VHF-TV antenna on your roof, you might be surprised at how well it may work as a SW antenna. Or take your radio up on the roof and see how much better reception is with its little telescoping antenna than on the ground floor. Tom |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small
On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF *. -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. *. --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf *. -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} *. Telamon - Do you need another day ? ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small Vertical Passive SWL Antenna : 1.8 - 30 MHz
In article
, RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - *. - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - *. - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - the Facts. - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - *. - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - *. Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF . Is there something I wrote that is not clear? There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. The brief specification does not say what type of basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small Vertical Passive SWL Antenna : 1.8 - 30 MHz
In article
, RHF wrote: On Apr 3, 10:43*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - - - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - - - - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - - - - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - - - . - - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - - - . - - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - - - . - - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - - - . - - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF - - . - Is there something I wrote that is not clear? 1st Reply : "Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts. 2nd Reply : "My best guess remains a folded dipole." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong. - There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is incorporated into a Waterproof Housing. Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level" Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen. Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%. Take it up to 400% and look again. http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...nna-30mhz-pass ive-p-4085.html The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function. http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+' Take it up to 400% and look again. I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good imagination. - The brief specification does not say what type of - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret; with very little gussing required. OK retard I've had enough. So what is the basic antenna type for this Miller antenna? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small
On Apr 4, 6:36*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 3, 10:43*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - - - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - - - - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - - - - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - - - *. - - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - - - *. - - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - - - *. - - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - - - *. - - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF - - *. - Is there something I wrote that is not clear? 1st Reply : "Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts. 2nd Reply : "My best guess remains a folded dipole." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong. - There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is incorporated into a Waterproof Housing. Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level" Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen. Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%. Take it up to 400% and look again. http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...ving-antenna-3... ive-p-4085.html The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function. http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+' Take it up to 400% and look again. I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good imagination. - The brief specification does not say what type of - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. - - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret; - - with very little gussing required. - - OK retard I've had enough. - - So what is the basic antenna type - for this Miller antenna? - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Telamon, OK let's see if I have got this straight. You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a "Guess" based on the Pictures . . . -or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess" based on the Facts stated in/on them ? -But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD ! doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small Vertical Passive SWL Antenna : 1.8 - 30 MHz
"RHF" wrote in message ... On Apr 4, 6:36 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: On Apr 3, 10:43 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , RHF wrote: On Apr 2, 2:41 am, RHF wrote: On Apr 1, 5:47 pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - - - - - - Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? - - - - - - Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All - - - "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! - - - - - - Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . - - - cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~ RHF - - - . - - - -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read - - - the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. - - - . - - - --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on - - - the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - - - . - - - -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... - - - I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} - - - . - - Telamon - Do you need another Day ? ~ RHF - - . - Is there something I wrote that is not clear? 1st Reply : "Looks like a vertical folded dipole that is too small for SW." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is wrong on two counts. 2nd Reply : "My best guess remains a folded dipole." Teli - Pretty Clear -but- It is still wrong. - There is no coax connected in the picture in the link. Teli - Both Links state "SO-239 Socket" that is incorporated into a Waterproof Housing. Window's users can use the Change "Zoom Level" Function in the lower-right-corner of the screen. Normally it shows a '+' Magnifying Glass with 100%. Take it up to 400% and look again. http://www.radioworld.co.uk/~radio/c...ving-antenna-3... ive-p-4085.html The Adobe PDF Files also have a Zoom-In & Out Function. http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf Adobe Reader Tool Bar top-center '-' 122% '+' Take it up to 400% and look again. I did. I can't tell what is in the pixilated image. You have a good imagination. - The brief specification does not say what type of - basic antenna it is based on so I made my best guess. - - Teli - The "Info" is there to Read and Interpret; - - with very little gussing required. - - OK retard I've had enough. - - So what is the basic antenna type - for this Miller antenna? - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Telamon, OK let's see if I have got this straight. You {Mister-Super-Ego} the Subject-Matter-Expert on all things Electrical and Electronic back by your vast knowledge of the Theory of it all; can 'only' venture a "Guess" based on the Pictures . . . -or- Maybe Teli you are just too Lazy to take the time and Read Two (2) Pages and make an "Educated Guess" based on the Facts stated in/on them ? -But- Then Teli you call me the RETARD ! doh ! - it boggles the mind . . . ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus-30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" wrote:
"RHF" wrote in message * * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * * - Gentlemen, - - Please!!!!! - Enough of this bickering. - - With respect RHF, - would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna - and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire - (I am limited for space) - - regards Vangellis - UK - Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF The - L - o - n - g - Answer is : Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna (WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is ~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use. IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up of 12 Foot of Metal. Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna. Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a 2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna. Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area * 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna 30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches * WMSW Antenna 2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna. QUESTIONS : Q # 1 - Vangellis are you using a good earthen 8-Foot Copper Ground Rod with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna and for your Radios and Equipment in your Home ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna and Radio Shack with a Ground for Less Noise and Better Safety. Q # 2 - Vangellis are you using a Coax Cable feed-in-line with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna with a Coax Cable feed-in-line for Less Noise and a Better Signal. Q # 3 - Vangellis are you using a Matching Transformer (Balun) -aka- Magnetic Longwire Balun "MLB" with your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna with a Matching Transformer for Less Noise and a Better Signal. Q # 3 - Vangellis is your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna 'configured' in the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna ? * It Should Be. + Make Qs 1, 2 and 3 a lot easier To-Do and All Three 'together' work a lot better {Synergy} for Less Noise and a Better Signal. INVERTED "L" ANTENNA Picture of an Inverted "L" Antenna Set-Up and Rigging http://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.html http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions...s/lantenna.gif http://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gif http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/i...dl_files/L.jpg Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBP http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB) http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna. http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5cc467b35a70d5 READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna -or- Inverted "L" Antenna ? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...364956151adbba READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front' = Better Performance http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4b09ea224f4434 READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL) Antenna Reccomendations ? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7277e8657b87ae vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
"RHF" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 9:31 am, "vangellis" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message * * * * * * Five Star Snip * * * * * - Gentlemen, - - Please!!!!! - Enough of this bickering. - - With respect RHF, - would you say I would benefit from buying this antenna - and using it instead of my 30 foot end fed longwire - (I am limited for space) - - regards Vangellis - UK - Vangellis - The Short Answer is : "No". ~ RHF The - L - o - n - g - Answer is : Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SW) Receiving Antenna (WMSWA) has a Listed Price of £ 69.95 GBP which is ~ $ 139.50 USD ~ EURO 88.70 EUR You now state that you already have a : 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire (30 Ft. EFLW) Antenna in use. IMHO - That is a better beginning then to try and use a smaller and shorter 6 Foot Long bent Antenna made-up of 12 Foot of Metal. Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a 5-to-1 Advantage in Size over the WMSW Antenna. Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. Your Present 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna has a 2.5-to-1 Advantage in Length over the WMSW Antenna. Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. The 'crude' calculation for Signal Capture Area * 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna 30' x 12" x 1" = 360 Square Inches * WMSW Antenna 2m x 39.37" x 3" = 236 Square Inches Which is 1.5-to-1 Advantage in Signal Capture Area Meaning the 30 Ft. EFLW Antenna should be better. KEEP - The 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna. QUESTIONS : Q # 1 - Vangellis are you using a good earthen 8-Foot Copper Ground Rod with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna and for your Radios and Equipment in your Home ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna and Radio Shack with a Ground for Less Noise and Better Safety. Q # 2 - Vangellis are you using a Coax Cable feed-in-line with the 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna with a Coax Cable feed-in-line for Less Noise and a Better Signal. Q # 3 - Vangellis are you using a Matching Transformer (Balun) -aka- Magnetic Longwire Balun "MLB" with your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ? * You Should Be. + Improve your Antenna with a Matching Transformer for Less Noise and a Better Signal. Q # 3 - Vangellis is your 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna 'configured' in the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna ? * It Should Be. + Make Qs 1, 2 and 3 a lot easier To-Do and All Three 'together' work a lot better {Synergy} for Less Noise and a Better Signal. INVERTED "L" ANTENNA Picture of an Inverted "L" Antenna Set-Up and Rigging http://www.geocities.com/qrp_baluns/app-swlz.html http://www.kc7nod.20m.com/improved_rw.htm http://www.radiohc.org/Distributions...s/lantenna.gif http://www.part15.us/encyclopedia/images/ant1.gif http://www.bloomington.in.us/~wh2t/i...dl_files/L.jpg Universal Magnetic Balun [UMB 130] - Price £ 24.95 GBP http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/buy.html About the "Universal Magnetic Balun" (UMB) http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/UMB.html The Right-Way {and Wrong-Way} to Install a LongWire Antenna. http://www.wellbrook.uk.com/longwire.html Low Noise Longwire Antenna using the UMB -by- Wellbrook. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5cc467b35a70d5 READ - Question is 'it' a Longwire {Random Wire} Antenna -or- Inverted "L" Antenna ? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...364956151adbba READ - Flipping the Inverted "L" Antenna 'Back-to-Front' = Better Performance http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4b09ea224f4434 READ - End Fed Shortwave Listening (SWL) Antenna Reccomendations ? http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...7277e8657b87ae vangellis - hope this helps - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} |
PONG : Telamon - "Why don't you post your crap someplace and save usthe time reading your worthless posts?"
On Apr 6, 5:39*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - - BpnJ - Ditto That ! - - - - -ps- Build your own and $ave. ~ RHF - - *. - Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us - the time reading your worthless posts? - That's a rhetorical question so don't answer it. - I don't need your approval and nether does Bruce. - We have informed opinion where you don't - so nobody cares what you think. - Go back to answering the spam. - You did a good job there. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California Teli - You Make It All So too, Too. TOO ! Easy :o) ~ RHF You Own Words Right Back At You : Simple and True ! PONG : Telamon - "Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us the time reading your worthless posts?" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Teli - Don't Forget : Do You Know How-To Keep a Jackass Waiting . . . Telamon -wrote- "What a complete jackass." Teli - Coming from You that is an Expert Opinion. ;-) Telamon -wrote- "You don't have an answer." Teli - Do You Know How-To Keep a Jackass Waiting . . . Teli - I will Post My KISAP Answer Tomorrow. :o) ~ RHF Today's The Day For The Answer Telamon . . . Are You Ready To Bray At It ! ;-} -ps- Teli you are really good at Braying the Words : Retard, Idiot, Moron and Spammer . . . |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
In article
, RHF wrote: On Apr 6, 5:39*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - - BpnJ - Ditto That ! - - - - -ps- Build your own and $ave. ~ RHF - - *. - Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us - the time reading your worthless posts? - That's a rhetorical question so don't answer it. - I don't need your approval and nether does Bruce. - We have informed opinion where you don't - so nobody cares what you think. - Go back to answering the spam. - You did a good job there. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California Teli - You Make It All So too, Too. TOO ! Easy :o) ~ RHF You Own Words Right Back At You : Simple and True ! PONG : Telamon - "Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us the time reading your worthless posts?" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Teli - Don't Forget : Do You Know How-To Keep a Jackass Waiting . . . This is just another example of the crap you post here. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
PONG : Telamon - "This is just another example of the crap you posthere."
On Apr 7, 5:56*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 6, 5:39*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: SNIP - - BpnJ - Ditto That ! - - - - -ps- Build your own and $ave. ~ RHF - - *. - - - Why don't you post your crap someplace and save us - - - the time reading your worthless posts? - - - That's a rhetorical question so don't answer it. - - - I don't need your approval and nether does Bruce. - - - We have informed opinion where you don't - - - so nobody cares what you think. - - - Go back to answering the spam. - - - You did a good job there. - - - - - - -- - - - Telamon - - - Ventura, California - - Teli - You Make It All So too, Too. TOO ! Easy :o) ~ RHF - - You Own Words Right Back At You : Simple and True ! - - - - PONG : Telamon - "Why don't you post your crap someplace - - and save us the time reading your worthless posts?" - - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...69f3506203ee41 - - - - This is just another example of the crap you post here. - - -- - Telamon * The Chief Resident in-charge-of Alt.Idiots * - Ventura, California - Telamon -wrote- "This is just another example of the crap you post here." OK Telamon - Let Me Get This Correct : Quoting You and Re-Posting Your Own Words Back At You is CRAP [.] PONG : Telamon - "This is just another example of the crap you post here." Again Teli - You Make It All So : easy, Easy. EASY ! :o) ~ RHF Once Again Your Own Words Right Back At You : Simple and True ! Telamon - You are real good at Braying the Words : Retard, Idiot, Moron and Spammer . . . Stick to these 'things' that You Know Oh So Well ! =PS= Teli - Setting the Follow-Up To "Alt.Idiots" once again just proves you know your home address. ;-} |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) Receiving Antenna ? -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
In article
, RHF wrote: SNIP And how is our news group retard doing tonight? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
PONG - Telamon - "And how is our news group retard doing tonight?"
On Apr 7, 11:30*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: - - SNIP * - - And how is our news group retard doing tonight? - - -- - Telamon * The Chief Resident in-charge-of Alt.Stupid.Idiots * - Ventura, California PONG - Telamon - "And how is our news group retard doing tonight?" Teli - Enjoying Myself Listening to the Shortwave Radio : 49 Metre Band @ 08:00~09:00 UTC 6145 kHz - NHK Radio Japan - Nihon http://www.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/ http://www.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/englis...ave/index.html 6180 kHz - Rádio Nacional da Amazônia - Brazil http://www.radiobras.gov.br/estatico...l_amazonia.htm 6185 kHz - CVC La Voz - Chile http://www.cvclavoz.cl/ http://www.christianvision.com/ teli - enjoy your radios ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener Receiving Antenna : Small
On Apr 2, 2:41*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 1, 5:47*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , - - "vangellis" wrote: - -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf - Although it is a better picture I still can't even tell - where the coax connects. - My best guess remains a folded dipole. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California Telamon - You Got-a-Guess ? - Twice ? ? Teli - I 'thought' that you were the End-All and Be-All "Subject Matter Expert" SME ! ! ! Teli - OK Then Guess Again . . . cause it ain't a Folded Dipole Antenna ~RHF *. -ps- They told you 'that' had you simple Read the INFO that was Printed there in the PDF File. *. --pps-- Teli - Here is a 3rd Chance to Get-It-Right based on the Facts. -http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf *. -obtw- Teli - I have already written my KISAP Answer but... I first want to hear your theoretically relevant reply first. ;-} *. Vangellis, Here is one old Answer that was posted by "Ross" [ archer @ top now .com ] back in 13 OCR 2005 Miller - Compact {Passive} Shortwave Receiving Antenna http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d7f7eac5a84f0d ~ RHF |
Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna :Here is the KISAP {Keep It Simple And Practical} Evaluation
Vangellis,
Here is the KISAP {Keep It Simple And Practical} Evaluation of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} Receiving {Only Antenna 1.8 - 30MHz (Small Vertical Passive SW Antenna) WM SWL ANTENNA - http://tinyurl.com/2g2hqx NOTE - Watson Miller makes several Antennas for Scanners and VHF and UHF usage http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson..._Antennas.html http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson..._Antennas.html http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/Watson..._Antennas.html + Plus Watson does make some HF Wire Antennas http://www.wsplc.com/acatalog/WATSON..._Antennas.html Mostly for the Amateur Radio Bands -but- SWL-DXDL Watson Long Wire + MLB Antenna Kit SWL-DX1 Watson SWL Long Wire Antenna Kit WA-103 Broadband T2FD Antenna 7-30 MHz WDP-30 Watson 1~30 MHz Receiving Dipole including Coax Feeder Watson-Miller SW Receiving Antenna 1.8 - 30MHz (Passive) Evaluation of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna : Visual Examination and Review of the Written Description. Start by taking a look at the Photos and Reading the Info presented : Here is what I 'think' can be reasonably said about the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna. WM SWL ANT - http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf 1 - Designed to be Broad-Banded for the Shortwave Bands Frequency Coverage 1.8 MHz to 30 MHz. 2 - Passive Antenna Element 'appears' to be Made of Bent Aluminum Tubing. Estimate 3/8 Inch Diameter and Approximately 12 Feet Long with 3 Inches of separation between the parallel tubes. NOTE - Bent to resemble an Off-Center Folded Dipole {Skinny Loop "Balance"} Antenna -but- IT IS NOT. -why- Claims to use "End Loading System" http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf 3 - I believe that the Black Tube part is simply a PVC Pipe Stiffener to Secure and Hold the Two Ends in Place. 3 - Uses a Balun to 'match' the Bent Antenna Element to an SO-239 Socket for connection to a 50 Ohm Coax Cable feed-in-line. NOTE - Most likely using the word "Balun" cause it sells when what they have is a Matching Transformer (UnUn). "with Built-in Magnetic Long Wire Balun" "the very latest High Quality Magnetic Long Wire Balun" http://www.wsplc.com/pages/pdf/miller.pdf 4 - Height = Two Metres (2m) ~ 6 Feet 6 3/4 Inches [ ~ 78.74 Inches ] DO-THE-MATH : Double the 78.74 Inches to 157.5 Inches and Subtract 13.5 Inches = 144 Inches = 12 Feet of Aluminum 3/8 Inch Tubing. 5 - Length of the Antenna Element : 12 Feet WHAT YOU "GET" PRACTICALLY SPEAKING : [Shortwave Radio Bands 60m ~ 19m : 5 MHz ~ 15 MHz] 1 - Start with a normal size Whip Antenna found on most 'portable' AM/FM Shortwave Radios : The Whip Antenna is about 36 Inches long {3 Feet} with a 1/4" Base Diameter and an 1/8" End Diameter having an Average Diameter of 3/16". The Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna [WM SWL Antenna] is 12 Feet with an Average Diameter of 3/8" Result : The Antenna Element is Four Times [12 to 3] as Long and Twice the Diameter [ 3/8" to 3/16"] with an RF Signal Area of 170" to 21" which is Eight Times as large as the Whip Antenna. Improvement Equals = 4X + 2X + 8X 2 - The Signal Capture Area of the Whip Antenna can crudely be estimated at 36" x 1" for 36 Square Inches. WM SWL Antenna's Signal Capture Area can be estimated at 72" x 3" for 216 Square Inches. Result : The Signal Capture Area improves by Six Times [216 to 36]. Improvement Equals = 6X 3 - The Whip Antenna is located on the Radio and inside the House/ Building where the RF Signal is often much weaker and the Man-Made Environment is saturated with the RFI and EMF that is there. WM SWL Antenna is located outside the House/Building where the RF Signal is often much Stronger and away from the Man-Made Environment inside the structure; so it is not saturated with the RFI and EMF. Result : The Antenna Element receives at lest Two Times [2 to 1] the RF Signal and Half the RFI and EMF [1 to 2] giving at least a 4 to 1 Improvement in the relative Signal-to-Noise Ratio coming into the Radio. Improvement Equals = 4X 4 - The Radio's Whip Antenna is an e-Probe type of Antenna Electrically Short and smaller that a Tenth (1/10) of a Wave-Length for the Shortwave Radio Bands. * Most Radio's Whip Antennas are 'passive' but some are Active. * Most Radio's Whip Antennas are 'un-tuned' but some are Tuned {Pre- Selected}. WM SWL Antenna is a Passive and Un-Tuned e-Probe also -but- It is Matched to the Antenna Feed-in-Line with an UnUn type of Matching Transformer; which also helps to de-couple the Antenna Element from the Feed-in-Line and the Man-Made Noise from within the Structure. Result : The Improved Performance with the WM SWL Antenna. Improvement Equals = 1X SUMMARY : Adding Up the "X"s 4X + 2X + +8X 6X + 4X +1X = 25X Then Divide-by-Ten for a 2.5 S-Unit Improvement in the relative 'Merit' of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna over the normal Radio's Whip Antenna. COMPARISON TO AN INVERTED "L" ANTENNA : The previously mentioned Radio's Whip Antenna to a Par EF-SWL Antenna configured as an Inverted "L" Antenna located outside with a 15 Foot Vertical-Up-Leg and a 30 Foot Horizontal-Out-Arm. http://www.parelectronics.com/swl_end.htm http://www.grove-ent.com/ANT8.html http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/sw_ant/2205.html PAR EFL-SWL Antenna, and Inverted-L Antenna Questions http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...11c0ac4f084b87 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...2ff595de9fea91 1 - Wire Antenna Element is 45 Feet Long by 1/8" Diameter with an RF Signal Area of 212" to 21" which is Ten Times as large as the Whip Antenna. Improvement Equals = 15X - 1.5X + 10X 2 - The Signal Capture Area of the Wire Antenna Element can crudely be estimated at 540" x 1" for 540 Square Inches. Improvement Equals = 15X 3 - Wire Antenna Element is Outside versus Inside Improvement Equals = 4X 4 - Par EF-SWL Antenna is a Passive and Un-Tuned Random Wire Antenna Element -but- It is Matched to the Antenna Feed-in-Line with an UnUn type of Matching Transformer; which also helps to de-couple the Antenna Element from the Feed-in-Line and the Man-Made Noise from within the Structure. Plus It is 'configured as an Inverted "L" Antenna with a Ground Rod at the Base. Improvement Equals = 2X SUMMARY : Adding Up the "X"s 15X -1.5X + 10X +15X + 4X +2X = 44.5X Then Divide-by-Ten for a 4.45 S-Unit Improvement in the relative 'Merit' of the Par EF-SWL Antenna over the normal Radio's Whip Antenna. COMPARISON : Comparing the Par EF-SWL Antenna to the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna would show on average of a Two (2) S-Unit Improvement in the relative 'Merit'. and that is the way i 'see' and 'read' it - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} |
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Do-It-Yourself -alternative-to-the- Watson-Miller Shortwave{Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna
On Apr 12, 2:53*pm, wrote:
- - Dahhhh,,,, Boolsheeit. - Watson Miller doesn't sound like much to me. - I can stick a wire on one of my naked girlfriend's - arses and pick up much better than that. - cuhulin - Cuhulin - She must have a Mighty Wide Ass ! :o) ~ RHF -ps- Maybe you should try a Dyke-Pole Antenna ;-} Do-It-Yourself -alternative-to-the- Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna # 1 - Start with a 1/4 WL 10 Metre / CB 102" Whip Antenna # 2 - Use a 9:1 Matching Transformer* {UnUn} * Grounded directly to the Top-Rail near the top. # 3 - Connected to a Coax Cable feed-in-line to the Matching Transformer. # 4 - Whip Antenna is mounted on a 21 Foot piece of Top-Rail* * A Single free-standing piece of Metal Pipe with 2~3 Feet in the ground** using a larger metal pipe sleave or Concrete Post-Hole Anckor. ** Locate the Base of the Top-Rail at least 25 Feet away from the House and other structures. # 5 - Eight Foot (8-Ft.) Ground Rod at the base of the Top-Rail with short heavy Ground Strap directly to the Top-Rail. The whole piece of Top Rail is Grounded. # 6 - Fifty to 100 Feet of Coax Cable feed-in-line connected from the Matching Transformer to the Radio / Receiver. about as simple and basic as it gets - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} |
What It Is Is . . . Off-Center-Fed Dipole Antenna {Windom} that isBent into the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna
On Apr 5, 5:23*pm, "vangellis" wrote:
Vangellis -wrote- - Hi RHF - The actual longwire start is about 40 foot high, - the centre of the V is about 35 feet - and the end of the V is about 40 foot - ( all in all it is about 80 foot long overall) Basically starts to sound like a Horizontal Wire Antenna with a sway-back. - it is connected to a balun/transformer, # 1 - That is good. - then I have coax cable conected to the balun # 2 - That is good. - with a very thick earthwire going from the balun # 3 - That is good. - and receiver to ground (a 8 foot underground spike. # 4 - That is good. - regards - vangellis - Vangellis, FWIW - If you have a Ground Wire going from an 8-Foot Ground Rod 'up' 40-Foot to the Balun then most likely that Wire is a Grounded {Terminated} Vertical Radiator; and at least at some Frequencies part of the Antenna Element System. Effectively an Off-Center-Fed Dipole Antenna {Windom} that is Bent into the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna. and that is the way 'i' see it - iane ~ RHF |
What It Is Is . . . Off-Center-Fed Dipole Antenna {Windom} that is Bent into the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna
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, RHF wrote: On Apr 5, 5:23*pm, "vangellis" wrote: Vangellis -wrote- - Hi RHF - The actual longwire start is about 40 foot high, - the centre of the V is about 35 feet - and the end of the V is about 40 foot - ( all in all it is about 80 foot long overall) Basically starts to sound like a Horizontal Wire Antenna with a sway-back. - it is connected to a balun/transformer, # 1 - That is good. - then I have coax cable conected to the balun # 2 - That is good. - with a very thick earthwire going from the balun # 3 - That is good. - and receiver to ground (a 8 foot underground spike. # 4 - That is good. - regards - vangellis - Vangellis, FWIW - If you have a Ground Wire going from an 8-Foot Ground Rod 'up' 40-Foot to the Balun then most likely that Wire is a Grounded {Terminated} Vertical Radiator; and at least at some Frequencies part of the Antenna Element System. Effectively an Off-Center-Fed Dipole Antenna {Windom} that is Bent into the Shape of an Inverted "L" Antenna. and that is the way 'i' see it - iane ~ RHF . You sure have lousy vision then. No big surprise. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Ping Vangellis : Watson-Miller Shortwave Listener (SWL) ReceivingAntenna ? -versus- 30 Foot End-Fed Long-Wire Antenna ?
On Apr 5, 5:38*pm, "vangellis" wrote:
Hi RHF The actual longwire start is about 40 foot high, the centre of the V is about 35 feet and the end of the V is about 40 foot ( all in all it is about 80 foot long overall) it is connected to a balun/transformer, then I have coax cable conected to the balun with a very thick earthwire going from the balun and receiver to ground (a 8 foot underground spike. regards vangellis - I forgot to mention it is in a V shape, not a L shape, - with both sides of the V at 45 degrees to each other. - vangellis Vangellis, What does the Balun 'connect' to the "V" Wire ? [ ] At One End [ ] At the Point {Bend} of the "V" ~ RHF |
Do-It-Yourself "Alternative" # 2 to the Watson-Miller Shortwave{Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna
On Apr 12, 12:43 pm, RHF wrote:
- - Here is the KISAP {Keep It Simple And Practical} Evaluation - of the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving - {Only} Antenna - - Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} Receiving {Only Antenna - 1.8 - 30MHz (Small Vertical Passive SW Antenna) - WM SWL ANTENNA -http://tinyurl.com/2g2hqx Do-It-Yourself "Alternative" # 2 to the Watson-Miller Shortwave {Listener} (SWL) Receiving {Only} Antenna Still working on a Home Brewed Sort-of-Look-a-Like Antenna using Copper Tubing and a PVC Pipe Mast Support; along with a 9:1 Matching Transformer and Coax Cable feed-in-line. It's a Work-in-Progress with two false starts {Whoops} The 1/4" Copper Pipe ~ 15 Feet Long Antenna Element comes from a Icemaker Water Supply Installation Kit http://frigidaire.stores.yahoo.net/unicemakinki1.html http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...=53757-131-813 Ten Foot Piece of PVC Pipe Upper-Mast [ Antenna Element Shape Support ] Attempting to get a 6" Radius Top And Bottom RF Junkie 9:1 SWL-1 Long-Wire Feeder [ Matching Transformer ] with So-239 to "F" Adapter RG-6 Quad-Shield Coax Cable feed-in-line 50~100 Feet. 21-Foot piece of Top-Rail for the Bottom Mast [ Free-Standing with a Ground Anchor ] The Fold-Up and repeated problem so far has been 'forming' the 1/4" Copper Tubing Antrenna Element with the Straight Parallel Runs and the Six-Inch Radius at the Top and Bottom. A Plastic Chop-Stick is being used to Fill the 3" Gap between the Two Ends of the the "C" and hold them in 'fixed' Alignment with the other parallel run. Still have not figured-out whether to use the Top-End of the "C" Gap or the Bottom-End as the Feed-Point. ? Any Suggestions as to Which and Why ? yes - i like play with antenna projects - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} |
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