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"Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you: A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. The ICE 180's housing is metal/ground and it has holes to be secured to an external mount. I plan to use screws directly into the brick. I also plan to use a separate ground wire from the radio to a brass ground spike. I'll be using 16 gauge wire to do this. I think this should be a decent set up. I'll have a coax lead going from the matching transformer on the chimney into the shack. That will be 30 or so feet. The receiving wire will be erected on the roof. I may just coil 200 feet around the top of the chimney to keep it away from the house. That would probably be better then running it around the outline of the house as far as noise goes. Noise is a big issue here in north NJ. Thanx Again Mike D. |
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Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you: A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you: A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. What in the hell are you talking about? Burr's Radio Shack - http://tinyurl.com/3wuscn Red Mountain, California / Bulacan, Philippines |
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"Michael" Think the balun (ICE-180) will hold up outside in the weather without being covered in a weatherproofing goop ??? Thanx for giving it to me straight... Michael Pack it in Vaseline! Burr |
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dxAce wrote: Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you: A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Burr" wrote: "Michael" Think the balun (ICE-180) will hold up outside in the weather without being covered in a weatherproofing goop ??? Thanx for giving it to me straight... Michael Pack it in Vaseline! Burr Might as well. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Michael" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you: A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. How about, the best thing approximating ground that is available on my roof ??? Get a dead chicken from the market, put it in a paper bag, stand up on your roof swinging the dead chicken in the bag around in a circle above your head and chant RHF, RHF over and over until your reception improves. If that does not work try shouting Billy boy while doing the same. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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dxAce wrote: Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you: A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. How about, the best thing approximating ground that is available on my roof ??? A brick chimney isn't even close to approximating ground. It probably just 20 or 30 feet above ground. Should be close enough don't you think? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. mike |
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"m II" wrote in message news:cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91... Telamon wrote: Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. mike Mike, what's a "non-sequitur" and what does it do to the radio??? Burr |
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In article cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote: Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. I thought I made some good connections between what the OP thought was good idea, the earthen characteristics of RHF, and the utter uselessness of a concept fostered upon the clueless. Maybe you could provide a better example. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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In article cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote: Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. I think you need to provide a better example then. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Burr" wrote: "m II" wrote in message news:cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91... Telamon wrote: Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. Mike, what's a "non-sequitur" and what does it do to the radio??? He is saying what I wrote does not follow the thread but it actually does so what Mike wrote is nonsense. What I wrote is factual. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91, m II wrote: Telamon wrote: Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. I thought I made some good connections between what the OP thought was good idea, the earthen characteristics of RHF, and the utter uselessness of a concept fostered upon the clueless. Maybe you could provide a better example. -- Telamon What about the dead chicken ??? If I get a steroid free chicken from the Amish market, will it make a better ground then say a Tyson chicken ??? Michael |
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"Telamon" Mike, what's a "non-sequitur" and what does it do to the radio??? He is saying what I wrote does not follow the thread but it actually does so what Mike wrote is nonsense. What I wrote is factual. -- Telamon Ventura, California O Burr's Radio Shack - http://tinyurl.com/3wuscnRed Mountain, California / Bulacan, Philippines |
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"Michael" What about the dead chicken ??? If I get a steroid free chicken from the Amish market, will it make a better ground then say a Tyson chicken ??? Michael I have found that a Leg of Lamb works best when swung at a 45 degrees to the ground. Take care "NOT" to hit the roof on the back swing. Also watch out for the TV antenna on the chimney. Burr's Radio Shack - http://tinyurl.com/3wuscn Red Mountain, California / Bulacan, Philippines |
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Best antenna is to stick a wire on your gal friend's arse.
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On Apr 16, 4:05*am, "Michael" wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. *For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? *Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. *If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. *Would you: A. *Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. *Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. *My evil plan is this. *Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. *The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. - How about, the best thing approximating ground - that is available on my roof ??? - - Michael Michael, 'possibly' a Metal Vent Pipe coming out of the Roof. would be a good ground ~ RHF |
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On Apr 16, 6:12*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *"Michael" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. *For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? * Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. *If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. *Would you: A. *Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. *Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. *My evil plan is this. *Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. *The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. How about, the best thing approximating ground that is available on my roof ??? - Get a dead chicken from the market, put it in a paper bag, - stand up on your roof swinging the dead chicken in the bag - around in a circle above your head and chant RHF, RHF over and over until your reception improves. - - If that does not work try shouting Billy boy while doing the same. - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Teli - Hey - You do have an 'imagination' after all. :o) ~ RHF |
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"RHF" Michael, 'possibly' a Metal Vent Pipe coming out of the Roof. would be a good ground ~ RHF |
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On Apr 16, 6:05*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *dxAce wrote: Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. *For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? *Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. *If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. *Would you: A. *Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. *Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. *My evil plan is this. *Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. *The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. - Well lets see. - - 1. *If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it - you get the bricks that make up the chimney. - - 2. *If you are RHF you have a brick head. - - 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well - be talking to a brick wall. - - How did I do? - - -- - Telamon - Ventura, California - Telamon Asks : How Did I Do ? Teli You DooDoo Very Well ! ~ RHF http://www.perfect-****.com/****-bg.jpg Teli - I am sure that Drakefan and DX Ace appreciate the fact that you 'care' to give-it-your-very-best . . . http://www.torrentsmd.com/imagestorage/283489_cc6.jpg i know that i do ~ RHF |
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On Apr 16, 7:10*pm, "Burr" wrote:
"m II" wrote in messagenews:cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91... Telamon wrote: Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. *If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. *If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. |
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Michael wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Drakefan" wrote in message news:nbZMj.6329$eg2.2049@trndny06... Michael wrote: Hiya... Been a while since I posted here. For the sake of noise suppression as affective lightning protection is almost hopeless without gas tubes, what would be the minimum gauge wire that you could use for a ground from the radio to a ground spike and from a matching transformer to a ground spike ??? Yes, I know there is loads of info on the net, but I would like some active opinions as some recent discussions I have had on this has been conflicting. Also... I've gotten conflicting opinions on this one too. If you have a long wire or beverage set up on a matching transformer like the ICE 180, there is a ground receptacle on the matching transformer. Would you: A. Use a separate ground wire from the matching transformer to the ground spike and another separate ground wire from the receiver to the ground spike ??? or B. Use one single ground wire from the receiver's ground port going up to the matching transformer and then to the ground spike ??? I know this stuff is antenna-101, but I'm interested to see what the opinions here are Thanx in advance !!! Mike D. Northern NJ First, the balun shouldn't be up in the air. It should be close to the ground at the lower end of the vertical downlead wire of the inverted-L antenna. Then you can use a short, less than three feet, length of grounding wire from the balun to the rod. The ground wire should be at least 10-gauge, preferably larger, like 6 or 4-gauge. The coax should run on or in the ground to the house and then to the radio. This will prevent it from picking up noise on the coax shield, which can happen when the coax is up in the air. It's not absolutely necessary to ground the coax shield again near the radio if you follow the above advice. Thank you for all the replies. My evil plan is this. Since I cant get the matching transformer away from the house, I will secure it to the house's brick chimney. The chimney goes all the way to the concrete foundation and should make an excellent ground. Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. How about, the best thing approximating ground that is available on my roof ??? Michael Bricks are basically a ceramic material. Guess what the power companies use for insulators on their poles? That's right, ceramic insulators. One insulator a few inches tall can prevent thousands of volts from leaking to the ground from the wire. That should give you some idea of how far from electrical ground the top of the chimney really is. In fact the electrical resistance of a brick is so high it's almost impossible to measure it with normal test equipment. Here's an example: http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Scien...ion103133.html |
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Asked before, but never got answer: why does an American use the term 'arse'? Because her husband answers to it? mike |
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I think arse just sounds better.
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"Michael" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... In article cDxNj.121$og.91@edtnps91, m II wrote: Telamon wrote: Please explain why you think a 'brick chimney' will make an excellent ground. Well lets see. 1. If you pack earth (mud) together and bake it you get the bricks that make up the chimney. 2. If you are RHF you have a brick head. 3. If you are Drakefan or DxAce you might as well be talking to a brick wall. How did I do? Not particularly well, I'm afraid. Poor composition and petty personal attacks detract from what could have been a fine demonstration of the term non-sequitur. Our ratings board gives the posting a 3 1/2 out of ten. I thought I made some good connections between what the OP thought was good idea, the earthen characteristics of RHF, and the utter uselessness of a concept fostered upon the clueless. Maybe you could provide a better example. What about the dead chicken ??? If I get a steroid free chicken from the Amish market, will it make a better ground then say a Tyson chicken ??? It does not matter what type of chicken you use. Open the bag and look at the dead chicken. That chicken has about as much a chance of being reanimated as your chimney has of being a good ground. Then give the dead chicken to MII for lunch. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Minimum gauge for groud...
Telamon wrote:
It does not matter what type of chicken you use. Open the bag and look at the dead chicken. That chicken has about as much a chance of being reanimated as your chimney has of being a good ground. Then give the dead chicken to MII for lunch. Grow up. mike |
Minimum gauge for groud...
In article zBTNj.74$XI1.1@edtnps91, m II wrote:
Telamon wrote: It does not matter what type of chicken you use. Open the bag and look at the dead chicken. That chicken has about as much a chance of being reanimated as your chimney has of being a good ground. Then give the dead chicken to MII for lunch. Grow up. Have a nice lunch. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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