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Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using
the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. Is this any good, or would something else be better? Thanks, Bob -- |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
Count Floyd wrote: I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. Is this any good, or would something else be better? I recall something in the past about using water piping as a ground. Perhaps it had something to do with electrolysis and the buildup of deposits of minerals in the piping making that not such a good idea. Perhaps someone else might chime in on this. Personally, I use seperate 8' ground rods here. dxAce Michigan USA |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
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dxAce wrote: Count Floyd wrote: I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. Is this any good, or would something else be better? I recall something in the past about using water piping as a ground. Perhaps it had something to do with electrolysis and the buildup of deposits of minerals in the piping making that not such a good idea. Perhaps someone else might chime in on this. Personally, I use seperate 8' ground rods here. Good advice Ace. Ground rods are fine wherever you have decent conductivity. However, if you live in a place where the ground conductivity is poor forget about the ground rods and use radials instead. Even one radial under the Random/Long wire will work better then a ground rod in poor soil. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
In article , dxAce wrote: Count Floyd wrote: I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. Is this any good, or would something else be better? I recall something in the past about using water piping as a ground. Perhaps it had something to do with electrolysis and the buildup of deposits of minerals in the piping making that not such a good idea. Perhaps someone else might chime in on this. Personally, I use seperate 8' ground rods here. There are actually several reasons for not using a cold water pipe. 1. It may appear to be iron pipe, but underground or in your foundation or walls, it may convert to a run of PVC or other material. 2. If all iron pipe is present, washers, corroded fittings or pipe sealing materials may make the ground a poor one or create a ground loop with the electrical ground of the receiver. 3. In many cases, the "ground" is actually via the mineral content of the water, not the pipe. In some areas, this is a lousy ground unless you are running salt water through the pipes. 4. As Telemon suggests, a system of radials is best (that is why AM stations use them, too). 5. It is a good idea to check if there is a ground loop or difference of potential between your "real" ground made of rods or radials and the electrical ground the neutral on the power plug connects to. A difference of potential can manifest itself in many ways, including damaging the receiver, hum and noise, etc. |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
David Eduardo wrote: In article , dxAce wrote: Count Floyd wrote: I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. Is this any good, or would something else be better? I recall something in the past about using water piping as a ground. Perhaps it had something to do with electrolysis and the buildup of deposits of minerals in the piping making that not such a good idea. Perhaps someone else might chime in on this. Personally, I use seperate 8' ground rods here. There are actually several reasons for not using a cold water pipe. 1. It may appear to be iron pipe, but underground or in your foundation or walls, it may convert to a run of PVC or other material. 2. If all iron pipe is present, washers, corroded fittings or pipe sealing materials may make the ground a poor one or create a ground loop with the electrical ground of the receiver. 3. In many cases, the "ground" is actually via the mineral content of the water, not the pipe. In some areas, this is a lousy ground unless you are running salt water through the pipes. 4. As Telemon suggests, a system of radials is best (that is why AM stations use them, too). 5. It is a good idea to check if there is a ground loop or difference of potential between your "real" ground made of rods or radials and the electrical ground the neutral on the power plug connects to. A difference of potential can manifest itself in many ways, including damaging the receiver, hum and noise, etc. Never trust 'advice' from 'Eduardo'. |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
dxAce wrote:
Count Floyd wrote: I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. Is this any good, or would something else be better? I recall something in the past about using water piping as a ground. Perhaps it had something to do with electrolysis and the buildup of deposits of minerals in the piping making that not such a good idea. Perhaps someone else might chime in on this. Personally, I use seperate 8' ground rods here. dxAce Michigan USA Plastic pipe may be in the line. Old plumbing with iron or steel pipe to the street is a good ground; but if the feed is PVC, not a good ground. |
SWL -Newbies- Outside Cold Water Faucets Are Generally Poor Grounding Points and NOT Recommended.
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, RHF wrote: On Apr 18, 3:16*pm, "Count Floyd" wrote: - - I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, - but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, - it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top - that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. - - *Is this any good, or would something else be better? - Thanks, - Bob - -- CF/Bob - Most of the Time Answer would be "NO" ~ RHF SNIP Whatever you do don't take technical advice from the news group retard RHF. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
PONG : Telamon I See That You Are Once Again - The Self-ProclaimedChief Resident-in-Charge of Alt.Idiots
On Apr 19, 2:17*pm, Telamon
wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 18, 3:16*pm, "Count Floyd" wrote: - - I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, - but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, - it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top - that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. - - *Is this any good, or would something else be better? - Thanks, - Bob - -- CF/Bob - Most of the Time Answer would be "NO" ~ RHF SNIP - - Whatever you do don't take technical advice - from the news group retard RHF. - - -- - Telamon - The Chief Resident-in-Charge of Alt.Idiots - Ventura, California - Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Followup-To: alt.idiots From: Telamon Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:17:37 -0700 Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:17 pm PONG : Telamon I See That You Are Once Again The Self-Proclaimed Chief Resident-in-Charge of Alt.Idiots. |
SWL -Newbies- Outside Cold Water Faucets Are Generally Poor Grounding Points and NOT Recommended.
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, RHF wrote: On Apr 19, 2:17*pm, Telamon wrote: In article , *RHF wrote: On Apr 18, 3:16*pm, "Count Floyd" wrote: - - I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, - but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, - it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top - that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. - - *Is this any good, or would something else be better? - Thanks, - Bob - -- CF/Bob - Most of the Time Answer would be "NO" ~ RHF SNIP - - Whatever you do don't take technical advice - from the news group retard RHF. - - -- - Telamon - The Chief Resident-in-Charge of Alt.Idiots - Ventura, California - Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Followup-To: alt.idiots From: Telamon Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:17:37 -0700 Local: Sat, Apr 19 2008 2:17 pm PONG : Telamon I See That You Are Once Again The Self-Proclaimed Chief Resident-in-Charge of Alt.Idiots. I see you still don't have an answer retard. I suggest you stay out of threads you don't understand. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
SWL -Newbies- What About Grounding Your Radio Shack and Antennas ?
On Apr 18, 5:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
* * * Three Star Snip * * * d'Eduardo -wrote- - There are actually several reasons for not using a cold water pipe. - 1. It may appear to be iron pipe, but underground or in - your foundation or walls, it may convert to a run of PVC - or other material. Yes - That is true. - 2. If all iron pipe is present, washers, corroded fittings - or pipe sealing materials may make the ground a poor - one or create a ground loop with the electrical ground - of the receiver. Again - That is true. - 3. In many cases, the "ground" is actually via the mineral content of the water, not the pipe. In some areas, this is a lousy ground unless you are running salt water through the pipes. Actually the Ground 'connectivity' is the Mineralized Deposits encrusted within an 'old' cold Water Pipe that give it it's poor but uniform Conductivity along with the Water in the Pipe. -Thus- The Cold Water Pipe makes for a 'fair' Electrical Ground and RF Continuous Drain Grounding Point for the SWL's Radio Shack and Antennas. So getting to that Pipe at the point where it is just coming out of the Ground is the prefered -and- Getting down to the Main Water Feeder Pipe a few feet under-ground is better. - 4. As Telemon suggests, a system of radials is best - (that is why AM stations use them, too). For Transmitting Yes -but- Most Shortwave Radio Listeners (SWLs) do not need Radials to have an effective Receive "Only" Antenna. The SWL simply needs a : * Good RF Signal Collector {Wire Antenna Element}. - = Radio / Receiver Connected between the two. = - * Fair RF Ground Return Path {Ground Rod}. - 5. It is a good idea to check if there is a ground loop - or difference of potential between your "real" ground - made of rods or radials and the electrical ground the - neutral on the power plug connects to. Technically and Legally they are required to be BONDED {Electrically and Mechanically Connected Together}. - A difference of potential can manifest itself in many ways, - including damaging the receiver, hum and noise, etc. Yes that is correct -including- Electical Shock, Fire, Loss of Home, Personal Injury and Loss of Life. That is "Why" the Ground Rod is First and Formost for Electrical Safety [.] Again - Technically & Legally they are required to be BONDED {Electrically and Mechanically Connected Together}. More Reading for the Newbie Shortwave Radio Listner (SWL) : SWL -Newbies- The Ground Rod is First and Formost for Electrical Safety and it can also Help to Improve your Radio Reception. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c23d487859bed8 SWL -Newbies- Using a Cold Water Service Pipe For Grounding Point http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...834fc68e65c69c SWL -Newbies- Outside Cold Water Faucets Are Generally Poor Grounding Points and NOT Recommended. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...6562c4b598e6c8 RHF's "Tip" on Ground Wires http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...01254b4099fb75 Question : Are My Chimney Bricks Grounded ? - NO ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4497141535c839 Ground Wires : Think Free and Effective ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5690ebd538e2f3 SWL -Newbies- Doing-the-Doable : The Wire Antenna + Ground Rod + Matching Transfromer + Coax Cable feed-in-line {Counterpoise} -versus- Many Ground Radials http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b7432d486275cd start by building your radio shack from the ground up and be well grounded - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
Count Floyd wrote:
I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. Is this any good, or would something else be better? Thanks, Bob If the "cold water faucet in the backyard" is actually attached to the house, it will most likely not be directly grounded to the earth. Somewhere in the house there is a ground wire connecting the cold water plumbing to the electrical system ground, which is usually an outside ground rod. In that case the outside faucet is not a good RF ground. You would do better to build a ground system for your radio like the kind being discussed here in the other thread on this topic. |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
On Apr 20, 12:46*am, Drakefan wrote:
Count Floyd wrote: I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. *Is this any good, or would something else be better? Thanks, Bob - - If the "cold water faucet in the backyard" is actually - attached to the house, it will most likely not be directly - grounded to the earth. - Somewhere in the house there is a ground wire connecting - the cold water plumbing to the electrical system ground, - which is usually an outside ground rod. - In that case the outside faucet is not a good RF ground. - You would do better to build a ground system for your - radio like the kind being discussed here in the other - thread on this topic. - Building a Solid Copper Ground Pipe {Tube} with an Solid Iron Core. - Also - Water Drilling a Solid Copper Pipe for a Ground Rod. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...60795205262938 Transforming your simple Ground Rod into a Ground Anchor : Is It Worth The Work ? - You Decide ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...31a1a89aa89026 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b69b219da2de33 |
SWL -Newbies- What About Grounding Your Radio Shack and Antennas?
On Apr 19, 10:47*pm, BDK wrote:
In article 88147f55-b26a-464a-837f-e51aefefc422 @a5g2000prg.googlegroups.com, says... On Apr 18, 5:15 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote: * * * Three Star Snip * * * d'Eduardo -wrote- - There are actually several reasons for not using a cold water pipe. - 1. It may appear to be iron pipe, but underground or in - your foundation or walls, it may convert to a run of PVC - or other material. Yes - That is true. - 2. If all iron pipe is present, washers, corroded fittings - or pipe sealing materials may make the ground a poor - one or create a ground loop with the electrical ground - of the receiver. Again - That is true. - 3. In many cases, the "ground" is actually via the mineral content of the water, not the pipe. In some areas, this is a lousy ground unless you are running salt water through the pipes. Actually the Ground 'connectivity' is the Mineralized Deposits encrusted within an 'old' cold Water Pipe that give it it's poor but uniform Conductivity along with the Water in the Pipe. -Thus- The Cold Water Pipe makes for a 'fair' Electrical Ground and RF Continuous Drain Grounding Point for the SWL's Radio Shack and Antennas. So getting to that Pipe at the point where it is just coming out of the Ground is the prefered -and- Getting down to the Main Water Feeder Pipe a few feet under-ground is better. - 4. As Telemon suggests, a system of radials is best - (that is why AM stations use them, too). For Transmitting Yes -but- Most Shortwave Radio Listeners (SWLs) do not need Radials to have an effective Receive "Only" Antenna. *The SWL simply needs a : * Good RF Signal Collector {Wire Antenna Element}. - = Radio / Receiver Connected between the two. = - * Fair RF Ground Return Path {Ground Rod}. - 5. It is a good idea to check if there is a ground loop - or difference of potential between your "real" ground - made of rods or radials and the electrical ground the - neutral on the power plug connects to. Technically and Legally they are required to be BONDED {Electrically and Mechanically Connected Together}. - A difference of potential can manifest itself in many ways, - including damaging the receiver, hum and noise, etc. Yes that is correct -including- Electical Shock, Fire, Loss of Home, Personal Injury and Loss of Life. That is "Why" the Ground Rod is First and Formost for Electrical Safety [.] Again - Technically & Legally they are required to be BONDED {Electrically and Mechanically Connected Together}. More Reading for the Newbie Shortwave Radio Listner (SWL) : SWL -Newbies- The Ground Rod is First and Formost for Electrical Safety and it can also Help to Improve your Radio Reception. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c23d487859bed8 SWL -Newbies- Using a Cold Water Service Pipe For Grounding Point http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...834fc68e65c69c SWL -Newbies- Outside Cold Water Faucets Are Generally Poor Grounding Points and NOT Recommended. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...6562c4b598e6c8 RHF's "Tip" on Ground Wires http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...01254b4099fb75 Question : Are My Chimney Bricks Grounded ? - NO ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...4497141535c839 Ground Wires : Think Free and Effective ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...5690ebd538e2f3 SWL -Newbies- Doing-the-Doable : The Wire Antenna + Ground Rod + Matching Transfromer + Coax Cable feed-in-line {Counterpoise} -versus- Many Ground Radials http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b7432d486275cd start by building your radio shack from the ground up and be well grounded - iane ~ RHF {pomkia} *. Are You Interested in building a better Shortwave Listening* (SWL) Antenna ? {SWL Group} =http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf GoTo =http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/ *. RHF's Standard "Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) Antennas Group" Reference Message Signature-Line =http://tinyurl.com/25zbrg http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...1dac3b4a1798e0 *. * Remember 55.5% of Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) is the Shortwave Antenna =http://tinyurl.com/ogvcf *. RHF's Radio Shack in Twain Harte, California -USA- SHACK INFO =http://tinyurl.com/2skmxm Shortwave Radio / Receiver and SWL Antenna Info *. -=2SKMXM=- -=25ZBRG=- SWR3:SWL:INFO *. - - I did the waterpipe deal long ago once, but everytime I - touched my PS while keying the mike, or the radio and - the PS at the same time, the "bite" I got was pretty - unpleasant. - - I finally sunk two 10' ground rods, and have had no problem since. - - BDK - BDK, Yes your Experience has Taught you the First Principle of Radio Shack Grounding "Make The Radio Shack Safe" [.] SWL -Newbies- The Ground Rod is First and Formost for Electrical Safety -and- Yes It can also Help to Improve your Radio Reception. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...c23d487859bed8 Building a Solid Copper Ground Pipe {Tube} with an Solid Iron Core. - Also - Water Drilling a Solid Copper Pipe for a Ground Rod. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...60795205262938 Transforming your simple Ground Rod into a Ground Anchor : Is It Worth The Work ? - You Decide ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...31a1a89aa89026 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b69b219da2de33 Read the 103 Messages Posted here on Rec.Radio.Shortwave by Jack Painter concerning the Topic of "Grounding". JACK PAINTER - http://tinyurl.com/4b5me8 GETTING WELL GROUNDED - http://tinyurl.com/4b5me8 ON THE SUBJECT OF GROUNDS - http://tinyurl.com/4b5me8 AND RADIO SHACK GROUNDING - http://tinyurl.com/4b5me8 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...inter+Gr ound |
Grounding Using Cold Water Faucet
In article
, RHF wrote: On Apr 20, 12:46*am, Drakefan wrote: Count Floyd wrote: I have heard a lot about grounding and using baluns, but I am using the cold water faucet in the back yard, it has an old-fashioned strap with a screw on the top that I put the ground wire in and tighten it down. *Is this any good, or would something else be better? Thanks, Bob - - If the "cold water faucet in the backyard" is actually - attached to the house, it will most likely not be directly - grounded to the earth. - Somewhere in the house there is a ground wire connecting - the cold water plumbing to the electrical system ground, - which is usually an outside ground rod. - In that case the outside faucet is not a good RF ground. - You would do better to build a ground system for your - radio like the kind being discussed here in the other - thread on this topic. - Building a Solid Copper Ground Pipe {Tube} with an Solid Iron Core. - Also - Water Drilling a Solid Copper Pipe for a Ground Rod. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...60795205262938 Transforming your simple Ground Rod into a Ground Anchor : Is It Worth The Work ? - You Decide ! http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...31a1a89aa89026 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b69b219da2de33 . You will never get it. Just give up the thought that you will ever understand what the hell you are posting about. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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