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PONG : Junius - I'm Sure You Didn't Mean To Insult Everyone'sIntelligence...
On May 14, 4:27*am, RHF wrote:
On May 13, 4:05*pm, junius wrote: On May 13, 5:07*pm, RHF wrote: HELLO - Drifter : Tex Started It : BarnegaDX Modified It : Now I am Replying To It : It Being Off-Topic and Politics and 60 posts later most of the usual suspects contributed to it - - - truth be told ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hello RHF, Well, as you know, I'm certainly not one of the usual suspects on this sort of thread. In fact, my track record is pretty consistent in avoiding participation in these asinine political threads. *However, when someone posts something as outrageously idiotic as the following, something should be said: On May 10, 9:51 pm, RHF wrote: Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia. - 1993 * *Bill Clinton * *1,213 - 1994 * *Bill Clinton * *1,075 - 1995 * *Bill Clinton * *1,040 - 1996 * *Bill Clinton * *974 - 1997 * *Bill Clinton * *817 - 1998 * *Bill Clinton * *827 - 1999 * *Bill Clinton * *796 - 2000 * *Bill Clinton * *758 Total : 7,500 Your suggestion that we lost 7,500 troops between Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia is not only a display of your inability and/or unwillingness to understand the fatality statistics; but the rubbish posting is of such a fallacious nature that it is nothing less than an insult to those serving in the US Armed Forces. We don't suffer those types of casualties in these types of smaller-scale deployments. You should know that. Take the time to better understand the US military, what it does, and how it goes about executing its missions around the world. To begin with, try understanding these death statistics in terms other than your unthinking black-and-white Dems-vs-Reps paradigm. Good luck, my friend. Junius - Numbers from Your Own Post : (OT) : Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.http://groups.google..com/group/rec....83528788fb0428 Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents" Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents" are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed. Total fatalities percentage of Total Military Full-Time-Equivalent Personnel 1980 ..2,392 out of 2,159,630 ...0.111% 1981 ..2,380 out of 2,206,751 ...0.108% 1982 ..2,319 out of 2,251,067 ...0.103% 1983 ..2,465 out of 2,273,364 ...0.108% 1984 ..1,999 out of 2,297,922 ...0.087% 1985 ..2,252 out of 2,323,185 ...0.097% 1986 ..1,984 out of 2,359,855 ...0.084% 1987 ..1,983 out of 2,352,697 ...0.084% 1988 ..1,819 out of 2,309,495 ...0.079% 1989 ..1,636 out of 2,303,384 ...0.071% 1990 ..1,507 out of 2,258,324 ...0.067% 1991 ..1,787 out of 2,198,189 ...0.081% 1992 ..1,293 out of 1,953,337 ...0.066% 1993 ..1,213 out of 1,849,537 ...0.066% 1994 ..1,075 out of 1,746,482 ...0.062% 1995 ..1,040 out of 1,661,928 ...0.063% 1996 .. 974 out of 1,613,310 ...0.060% 1997 .. 817 out of 1,578,382 ...0.052% 1998 .. 827 out of 1,538,570 ...0.054% 1999 .. 796 out of 1,525,942 ...0.052% 2000 .. 758 out of 1,530,430 ...0.050% 2001 .. 891 out of 1,552,196 ...0.057% 2002 .. 999 out of 1,627,142 ...0.061% 2003 ..1,410 out of 1,732,632 ...0.081% 2004 ..1,873 out of 1,711,916 ...0.109% 2005 ..1,941 out of 1,664,014 ...0.117% 2006 ..1,882 out of 1,611,533 ...0.117% 2007 ..1,950 out of 1,608,226 ...0.121% Accidental fatalities as percentage of Total Military Full-Time- Equivalent Personnel 1980 ..1,556 out of 2,159,630 ...0.072% 1981 ..1,524 out of 2,206,751 ...0.069% 1982 ..1,493 out of 2,251,067 ...0.066% 1983 ..1,413 out of 2,273,364 ...0.062% 1984 ..1,293 out of 2,297,922 ...0.056% 1985 ..1,476 out of 2,323,185 ...0.064% 1986 ..1,199 out of 2,359,855 ...0.051% 1987 ..1,172 out of 2,352,697 ...0.050% 1988 ..1,080 out of 2,309,495 ...0.047% 1989 ..1,000 out of 2,303,384 ...0.043% 1990 .. 880 out of 2,258,324 ...0.039% 1991 .. 931 out of 2,198,189 ...0.042% 1992 .. 676 out of 1,953,337 ...0.035% 1993 .. 632 out of 1,849,537 ...0.034% 1994 .. 544 out of 1,746,482 ...0.031% 1995 .. 538 out of 1,661,928 ...0.032% 1996 .. 527 out of 1,613,310 ...0.033% 1997 .. 433 out of 1,578,382 ...0.027% 1998 .. 445 out of 1,538,570 ...0.029% 1999 .. 439 out of 1,525,942 ...0.029% 2000 .. 397 out of 1,530,430 ...0.026% 2001 .. 434 out of 1,552,196 ...0.028% 2002 .. 543 out of 1,627,142 ...0.033% 2003 .. 576 out of 1,732,632 ...0.033% 2004 .. 605 out of 1,711,916 ...0.035% 2005 .. 649 out of 1,664,014 ...0.039% 2006 .. 559 out of 1,611,533 ...0.035% 2007 .. 544 out of 1,608,226 ...0.034% The rate of accidental deaths during the Clinton presidency continued the decline that was underway in the Reagan and Bush administrations. Likely, this decline would have continued into the Bush administration, although its unlikely that we would have seen a rate of less than 0.025%. Of the deaths categorized as accident during the Bush administration, about (perhaps a percentage point or two less than) 25% have been in Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. Accidental fatalities outside of these 25% are not included in the official OEF and OIF fatality statistics. Investment at the individual soldier/marine/airman/sailor level has seen noteworthy increases (e.g. training, proper equipping), and this has certainly been one of the factors at play in the steady decrease in the accidental death rate over the past quarter century. Such investment makes perfect sense, given transformation processes that have been pursued in the military (e.g. trends toward network-enabled, readily-deployable forces; in essence, the endeavor to do more with a lesser number of troops). Given this greater prioritization on the individual, it is hardly surprising that the US military has invested more (as referenced in the earlier posted article) on prevention of accidental deaths resulting from the tendency of 18-year olds to engage in alcohol-related revelries, etc. As for the reporting of deaths and how these deaths are categorized, its not just the political leadership but also individuals within the military itself that would have an interest in and influence on how deaths are characterized. The main issue on which I had taken point with you, Roy, was on your characterization that all military fatalities during the Clinton years were the result of deployments in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Thats erroneous, pure and simple. Indeed, the vast majority of these fatalities had absolutely nothing to do with any of these three deployments. In Somalia, the US military suffered 43 fatalities (29 in circumstances characterized as hostile; 14 in circumstances characterized as non-hostile); thats a small number relative to the overall fatalities during the 1992-1994 period in which we were deployed in Somalia. Nonetheless, the experience in Somalia rendered the Clinton administration very hesitant to deploy ground forces in situations where potential existed for significant casualties. As for how a die-hard Dem/Clintonite/anti-war proponent or a die-hard Republican/Bush supporter/war proponent might characterize such statistics, suffice it to say that senselessness can easily abound in any of these camps when someone has an agenda to pursue. Note, adjustments have been made to some of the statistics, in accordance with the latest fatalities statistics available from the OSD website. These revisions pertain only to the 2002 to 2007 period. |
PONG : Junius - I'm Sure You Didn't Mean To Insult Everyone'sIntelligence...
On May 14, 8:27*am, junius wrote:
On May 14, 4:27*am, RHF wrote: On May 13, 4:05*pm, junius wrote: On May 13, 5:07*pm, RHF wrote: HELLO - Drifter : Tex Started It : BarnegaDX Modified It : Now I am Replying To It : It Being Off-Topic and Politics and 60 posts later most of the usual suspects contributed to it - - - truth be told ~ RHF *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hello RHF, Well, as you know, I'm certainly not one of the usual suspects on this sort of thread. In fact, my track record is pretty consistent in avoiding participation in these asinine political threads. *However, when someone posts something as outrageously idiotic as the following, something should be said: On May 10, 9:51 pm, RHF wrote: Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia. - 1993 * *Bill Clinton * *1,213 - 1994 * *Bill Clinton * *1,075 - 1995 * *Bill Clinton * *1,040 - 1996 * *Bill Clinton * *974 - 1997 * *Bill Clinton * *817 - 1998 * *Bill Clinton * *827 - 1999 * *Bill Clinton * *796 - 2000 * *Bill Clinton * *758 Total : 7,500 Your suggestion that we lost 7,500 troops between Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia is not only a display of your inability and/or unwillingness to understand the fatality statistics; but the rubbish posting is of such a fallacious nature that it is nothing less than an insult to those serving in the US Armed Forces. We don't suffer those types of casualties in these types of smaller-scale deployments. You should know that. Take the time to better understand the US military, what it does, and how it goes about executing its missions around the world. To begin with, try understanding these death statistics in terms other than your unthinking black-and-white Dems-vs-Reps paradigm. Good luck, my friend. Junius - Numbers from Your Own Post : (OT) : Bill Clinton's Killer Peace : Active Duty Deaths resulting from the Peace Missions to Bosnia, Kosovo and Somalia.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...83528788fb0428 Yeah the Point Being that when it is convenient to call the Deaths of US Service Men and Women "Accidents" Clinton is Praised -however- Those same "Accidents" are Blamed on Bush as Blood-on-His-Hands : Once again the Two Faces of Liberal Democrats is Exposed. Total fatalities percentage of Total Military Full-Time-Equivalent Personnel 1980 ..2,392 out of * 2,159,630 * * * ...0.111% 1981 ..2,380 out of * 2,206,751 * * * ...0.108% 1982 ..2,319 out of * 2,251,067 * * * ...0.103% 1983 ..2,465 out of * 2,273,364 * * * ...0.108% 1984 ..1,999 out of * 2,297,922 * * * ...0.087% 1985 ..2,252 out of * 2,323,185 * * * ...0.097% 1986 ..1,984 out of * 2,359,855 * * * ...0.084% 1987 ..1,983 out of * 2,352,697 * * * ...0.084% 1988 ..1,819 out of * 2,309,495 * * * ...0.079% 1989 ..1,636 out of * 2,303,384 * * * ...0.071% 1990 ..1,507 out of * 2,258,324 * * * ...0.067% 1991 ..1,787 out of * 2,198,189 * * * ...0.081% 1992 ..1,293 out of * 1,953,337 * * * ...0.066% 1993 ..1,213 out of * 1,849,537 * * * ...0.066% 1994 ..1,075 out of * 1,746,482 * * * ...0.062% 1995 ..1,040 out of * 1,661,928 * * * ...0.063% 1996 .. *974 out of * 1,613,310 * * * ...0.060% 1997 .. *817 out of * 1,578,382 * * * ...0.052% 1998 .. *827 out of * 1,538,570 * * * ...0.054% 1999 .. *796 out of * 1,525,942 * * * ...0.052% 2000 .. *758 out of * 1,530,430 * * * ...0.050% 2001 .. *891 out of * 1,552,196 * * * ...0.057% 2002 .. *999 out of * 1,627,142 * * * ...0.061% 2003 ..1,410 out of * 1,732,632 * * * ...0.081% 2004 ..1,873 out of * 1,711,916 * * * ...0.109% 2005 ..1,941 out of * 1,664,014 * * * ...0.117% 2006 ..1,882 out of * 1,611,533 * * * ...0.117% 2007 ..1,950 out of * 1,608,226 * * * ...0.121% Accidental fatalities as percentage of Total Military Full-Time- Equivalent Personnel 1980 ..1,556 out of * 2,159,630 * * * ...0.072% 1981 ..1,524 out of * 2,206,751 * * * ...0.069% 1982 ..1,493 out of * 2,251,067 * * * ...0.066% 1983 ..1,413 out of * 2,273,364 * * * ...0.062% 1984 ..1,293 out of * 2,297,922 * * * ...0.056% 1985 ..1,476 out of * 2,323,185 * * * ...0.064% 1986 ..1,199 out of * 2,359,855 * * * ...0.051% 1987 ..1,172 out of * 2,352,697 * * * ...0.050% 1988 ..1,080 out of * 2,309,495 * * * ...0.047% 1989 ..1,000 out of * 2,303,384 * * * ...0.043% 1990 .. *880 out of * 2,258,324 * * * ...0.039% 1991 .. *931 out of * 2,198,189 * * * ...0.042% 1992 .. *676 out of * 1,953,337 * * * ...0.035% 1993 .. *632 out of * 1,849,537 * * * ...0.034% 1994 .. *544 out of * 1,746,482 * * * ...0.031% 1995 .. *538 out of * 1,661,928 * * * ...0.032% 1996 .. *527 out of * 1,613,310 * * * ...0.033% 1997 .. *433 out of * 1,578,382 * * * ...0.027% 1998 .. *445 out of * 1,538,570 * * * ...0.029% 1999 .. *439 out of * 1,525,942 * * * ...0.029% 2000 .. *397 out of * 1,530,430 * * * ...0.026% 2001 .. *434 out of * 1,552,196 * * * ...0.028% 2002 .. *543 out of * 1,627,142 * * * ...0.033% 2003 .. *576 out of * 1,732,632 * * * ...0.033% 2004 .. *605 out of * 1,711,916 * * * ...0.035% 2005 .. *649 out of * 1,664,014 * * * ...0.039% 2006 .. *559 out of * 1,611,533 * * * ...0.035% 2007 .. *544 out of * 1,608,226 * * * ...0.034% The rate of accidental deaths during the Clinton presidency continued the decline that was underway in the Reagan and Bush administrations. Likely, this decline would have continued into the Bush administration, although its unlikely that we would have seen a rate of less than 0.025%. *Of the deaths categorized as accident during the Bush administration, about (perhaps a percentage point or two less than) 25% have been in Operations Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom. Accidental fatalities outside of these 25% are not included in the official OEF and OIF fatality statistics. Investment at the individual soldier/marine/airman/sailor level has seen noteworthy increases (e.g. training, proper equipping), and this has certainly been one of the factors at play in the steady decrease in the accidental death rate over the past quarter century. Such investment makes perfect sense, given transformation processes that have been pursued in the military (e.g. trends toward network-enabled, readily-deployable forces; in essence, the endeavor to do more with a lesser number of troops). Given this greater prioritization on the individual, it is hardly surprising that the US military has invested more (as referenced in the earlier posted article) on prevention of accidental deaths resulting from the tendency of 18-year olds to engage in alcohol-related revelries, etc. As for the reporting of deaths and how these deaths are categorized, its not just the political leadership but also individuals within the military itself that would have an interest in and influence on how deaths are characterized. The main issue on which I had taken point with you, Roy, was on your characterization that all military fatalities during the Clinton years were the result of deployments in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo. *Thats erroneous, pure and simple. *Indeed, the vast majority of these fatalities had absolutely nothing to do with any of these three deployments. In Somalia, the US military suffered 43 fatalities (29 in circumstances characterized as hostile; 14 in circumstances characterized as non-hostile); thats a small number relative to the overall fatalities during the 1992-1994 period in which we were deployed in Somalia. *Nonetheless, the experience in Somalia rendered the Clinton administration very hesitant to deploy ground forces in situations where potential existed for significant casualties. As for how a die-hard Dem/Clintonite/anti-war proponent or a die-hard Republican/Bush supporter/war proponent might characterize such statistics, suffice it to say that senselessness can easily abound in any of these camps when someone has an agenda to pursue. Note, adjustments have been made to some of the statistics, in accordance with the latest fatalities statistics available from the OSD website. *These revisions pertain only to the 2002 to 2007 period.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Woops Number Overload ! Junius, Can You simply Say : God {Allah} Bless The USA and All Americans. amen ~ RHF |
( OT) Michael Moore
"Billy Burpelson" wrote in message t... MNMikew wrote: ........[Michael Moore] Is still a stupid fat white person. May (or may not) be true about Moore. But then the new movie's not about -Moore-, now is it? Per the OP: In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted, True As it was in the Carter administration.... while the Iraq war continues True I dont recall a war going on there. A lot of policing right now. The battles of major consequence have been fought and won. and the economy falters. True As in the Carter adminstration. But not as badly. |
( OT) Michael Moore
On May 13, 2:33*pm, "MNMikew" wrote:
"Billy Burpelson" wrote in message t... MNMikew wrote: ........[Michael Moore] Is still a stupid fat white person. May (or may not) be true about Moore. But then the new movie's not about -Moore-, now is it? Per the OP: In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted, True *while the Iraq war continues True *and the economy falters. True All still true whether MM is fat or thin...and certainly topics worthy of debate to all in this country. Actually it IS all about Moore. Always was. You certainly won't get worthy debate out of a MM "film".- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Michael Moore = BFS |
Rush Limbaugh/ Jeff Christie Biography
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Rush Limbaugh a Fairy Tale -by- Jeff Christie
On May 15, 3:48*pm, wrote:
- http://www.pssht.moc/biography/rush_limbaugh.html another Classic Liberal Pack-of-Lies showing that "The Left" can speak out of both sides of their mouths. - - - Once Again - - - (OT) : The Two Faces of Liberals in The Media and Hollywood : Robert Downey Jr. -versus- Rush Limbaugh http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...fe3688abd7e888 fighting the good fight for a better america with the truth - now stfu ~ RHF |
( OT) Michael Moore
Brian Oakley wrote:
I dont recall a war going on there. A lot of policing right now. The battles of major consequence have been fought and won. I can certainly recall a war going on there. It will never end. ======================================== Article Last Updated: 05/15/2008 12:59:07 PM CDT MADISON Up to 40 percent Wisconsin National Guard soldiers may be headed overseas next year, its leader said. Brigadier Gen. Don Dunbar said 3,200 soldiers are expected to be mobilized to Iraq in early 2009. A few other Guard units might also get deployed during the year, he said. Thirty-five percent to 40 percent of the Guard's 10,000 nearly soldiers could be gone at once, he said. http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_9270153?source=rss ================================================== ====== |
( OT) Michael Moore
On May 15, 5:52*pm, Billy Burpelson wrote:
Brian Oakley wrote: "Billy Burpelson" wrote in message et... MNMikew wrote: ........[Michael Moore] Is still a stupid fat white person. May (or may not) be true about Moore. But then the new movie's not about -Moore-, now is it? Per the OP: In the time since, President Bush's popularity has plummeted, True As it was in the Carter administration.... *while the Iraq war continues True I dont recall a war going on there. *A lot of policing right now. *The battles of major consequence have been fought and won. *and the economy falters. True As in the Carter adminstration. But not as badly. Well, that was over 30 years ago. Dubya is right now. Maybe if we paid more attention to the current president rather than those from years ago...nah, forget it. Too many people here like having Clinton, Carter, Kerry and yes, even FDR as their whipping boy, to divert attention from the mess we have right now. Please continue to keep living in the past. It seems to make it easier for you to ignore the crimes of today.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - BP - History is : The Inconvenient Truth ! ~ RHF |
(OT) : The US Congress is the Problem with the Inadequate Size of theUS Military for the Global War on Terror.
On May 15, 9:41*pm, m II wrote:
Brian Oakley wrote: I dont recall a war going on there. *A lot of policing right now. *The battles of major consequence have been fought and won. I can certainly recall a war going on there. It will never end. ======================================== Article Last Updated: 05/15/2008 12:59:07 PM CDT MADISON Up to 40 percent Wisconsin National Guard soldiers may be headed overseas next year, its leader said. Brigadier Gen. Don Dunbar said 3,200 soldiers are expected to be mobilized to Iraq in early 2009. A few other Guard units might also get deployed during the year, he said. Thirty-five percent to 40 percent of the Guard's 10,000 nearly soldiers could be gone at once, he said. http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_9270153?source=rss ================================================== ====== * * * RANT ON * * * The real 'problem is not the US Military or the National Guard and Reserves {Citizen Soldiers}. The "Problem" is the US Congress and the Number of Active Duty Personal in the US Military : Man Power {Staffing} Levels for a Global War on Terror. During Vietnam a War in a Single Country & Region the US Military had a much larger Active Duty Staffing Level of 3.4 Million Personal. Now with the Global War on Terror with Active Conflict in Two Counties & Two Different Regions the US Military had a greatly reduced Active Duty Staffing Level of only 1.4 Million Personal plus the National Guard and Reserves. That is a Big 2.0 Million Personal Staffing Short-Fall. The US Congress has Failed to Act to Staff the US Military to Fight the Global War on Terrorism. Between Iraq, Afghanistan and other Nations where Anti-Terrorist Deployments are on-going. the US Military has around 250,000 Troops In-Country. With a 50% Reserve Factor that wold bring the neccessary Force Increase to around 375,000 Personal. The US Congress should have Increased; and still needs to Increase the US Militiary Active Duty Force Level by around 375,000 Personal to effectively Fight the Global War on Terror. Since September 11, 2001 the US Congress has Failde to Act and continues to Fail to Act to Insure that the US Military is Staffed to Protect the American People in the Global War on Terror. It's Ain't Clinton or Bush or who ever is the next US President : It is the US Congress Be They Republican or Democrat who is Not Providing for an Adequate Defense of the America and Protection of All Americans. The US Congress is the Problem with the Inadequate Size of the US Military for the Global War on Terror. |
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