Billy Burpelson wrote:

While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
ignore.

"They" who?

Address that, and we may have a discussion.

Oh, you did explain that? Sorry, my apologies for having missed it. If
you care to re-post it, we may indeed be able to have a discussion.

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Billy Burpelson wrote:

While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
ignore.

"They" who?

Address that, and we may have a discussion.

Oh, you did explain that? Sorry, my apologies for having missed it. If
you care to re-post it, we may indeed be able to have a discussion.




It's still up. Go back and re read it.

On Jun 3, 11:11*am, Billy Burpelson wrote:
Billy Burpelson wrote:
While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.
D Peter Maus wrote:
* Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
ignore.

"They" who?

- - Address that, and we may have a discussion.

- Oh, you did explain that?
- Sorry, my apologies for having missed it.
- If you care to re-post it,
- we may indeed be able to have a discussion.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...968b6d8058d6a2

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Billy Burpelson wrote:

While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they, conveniently
ignore.

"They" who?

Address that, and we may have a discussion.

Oh, you did explain that? Sorry, my apologies for having missed it. If
you care to re-post it, we may indeed be able to have a discussion.

D Peter Maus wrote:

It's still up. Go back and re read it.

I'm not sure if this is the "it" you are referring to, as it was posted
by RHF; too bad that as a courtesy, you couldn't have re-posted it
directly, rather than waltzing around (twice yet!), let a third party
respond and -still- not spell out the specific message you were
referring to.

Here is a snippet from your message that Roy posted.

The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and
the wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in
this country is just good, cost effective business.

They build here because it's less costly to build here.

-IF- this is the message of yours that you are referring to, I see
nothing in it that would explain why it is cheaper here in the USA. If
it it a different message, PLEASE post it rather than depending on a
third party or continuing to waltz around.

I don't think tax moratoriums or Union concessions are enough to offset
the foreign low wages, lack of pensions and medical benefits and lack of
environmental control laws. More importantly, it's not what -I- think,
but rather the *thousands* of manufactures that have already gone
overseas. Are you implying their accountants don't have a very sharp pencil?

Also, I would like to hear from you who "they" is.

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Billy Burpelson wrote:

Billy Burpelson wrote:

While you're at it, please explain away the THOUSANDS of companies
that
have moved their manufacturing overseas and please explain it to the
*MILLIONS* of American workers that have been "down-sized"
and "right-sized" out of their well-paying American jobs... and please
try to be understanding if they don't believe you.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, I did explain that. Something you, and they,
conveniently ignore.

"They" who?

Address that, and we may have a discussion.

Oh, you did explain that? Sorry, my apologies for having missed it.
If you care to re-post it, we may indeed be able to have a discussion.

D Peter Maus wrote:

It's still up. Go back and re read it.

I'm not sure if this is the "it" you are referring to, as it was posted
by RHF; too bad that as a courtesy, you couldn't have re-posted it
directly, rather than waltzing around (twice yet!), let a third party
respond and -still- not spell out the specific message you were
referring to.

Here is a snippet from your message that Roy posted.

The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and
the wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in
this country is just good, cost effective business.

They build here because it's less costly to build here.

-IF- this is the message of yours that you are referring to, I see
nothing in it that would explain why it is cheaper here in the USA. If
it it a different message, PLEASE post it rather than depending on a
third party or continuing to waltz around.



If you're really interested in my point, you can read it yourself.
Having only two fingers on each hand that work, I'm not going to retype
it all again. You can go back in the thread and reread it. I've
addressed each of your issues.

But, it's clear from this....

I don't think tax moratoriums or Union concessions are enough to offset
the foreign low wages, lack of pensions and medical benefits and lack of
environmental control laws. More importantly, it's not what -I- think,
but rather the *thousands* of manufactures that have already gone
overseas. Are you implying their accountants don't have a very sharp
pencil?

Also, I would like to hear from you who "they" is.


...that you're really not interested in the point, because you've
avoided it entirely....

Like I said, when you're ready to actually address, I'll be glad to
discuss the issues with you. But if you're not...there is no point.

Let me know when you're ready.

On Jun 1, 7:05*am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Billy Burpelson wrote:

RJ wrote:
And....

"MADE IN USA"

is becoming a collectors item.

D Peter Maus wrote:

Yeah...Ask BMW, Daimler-Benz, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Mazda,
*and Mitsubishi.

Not quite right, DP. The products you mention above are mostly ASSEMBLED
in America. Typically, the higher tech, higher 'cost of assembly' items
(engines, trannies) are made in their home country.

Oh, don't forget that the profit from your items above flow right to
Germany, Korea and Japan, not here. They only built a few plants here
because they had to -- for political reasons, a sop* to the gullible.

* From the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

sop: a conciliatory or propitiatory bribe, gift, or gesture

* *So, the billions spent by Hyundai, alone, to build in
Tennessee...that's just a bribe. The millions in payroll...that's just a
bribe?

* *Nonsense.

* *The Asian manufacturers currently enjoy a moratorium on taxes, and
the wages and benefits parity that Union contracts seek, so building in
this country is just good, cost effective business.

* *They build here because it's less costly to build here.

* *In the case of the Germans, because they can actually build for far
less than they can in their own country. And without as many rules and
restrictions on employment. Again, less cost. Consistent quality.

* *As for the parts source...imported parts for products built on
American soil is nothing new. Ford, GM, Chrysler have been importing
components for decades. And they're not alone. There are more Japanese
parts on a Harley-Davidson than there are on a GoldWing. There are
models of Honda automobiles that have never been built anywhere but
Ohio, and exported back to Japan for sale.

* *And don't be so quick to assume that all components come from
oversees. Hyundai does a huge amount of the machine work for it's
products in the US. So does Honda. Even Toyota outsources much of it's
component stock from the US.

* *Isuzu even has one of it's vehicles built by GM.

* *But if you're considering parts source....GT microphones are
assembled at a GT built and owned plant in China. The capsules and
components are however, hand made by GT right here in the US.

* *But the topic was "Made in the USA." And these companies DO build in
the USA.

- "Made In The USA" is far from extinction.

DPM - That Is Not Only True : It Is A Fact [.] ~ RHF

One-Ninth of All U.S. Production Is For Export {Being Exported}
http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?...entI D=254596
Goods & Services Exports as Percent of U.S. GDP.

NOTE - Goods and Services Exports 'includes' Manufacturing Exports.

BASELINE : 1957 = 5.2% of GDP
Best Year Ever : 2007 = 11.7% of GDP
The Figure is a Modern-Era Record, Eclipsing
the old 11.2 Percent Mark set in 2000 and
Reflecting a $175 Billion jump in Goods and
Services Exports.

FWIW - Exports Accounted for a Third* of last Year's
2.2 Percent GDP Growth in the US Economy.
* The 1/9th added 1/3rd : Had a 3X Factor in the GDP.

-source- Progressive Policy Institute (PPI) On-Line
http://www.ppionline.org/

More and more industry is moving into Mississippi.Mississippi is not as
''broke'' as Mississippi used to be.When auto factories up North went
broke and or closed down, there were/are the rust belts.I once read
somewhere auto factories last about thirty years.Someday there will be a
rust belt in Mississippi.Mississippi is or used to be mostly
Agricultural, rust belts/closeing down of factories up North didn't
hardly affect Mississippi at all.
Give me Agriculture any time!
cuhulin

On Jun 6, 8:06*am, wrote:
-
- More and more industry is moving into Mississippi.
- Mississippi is not as ''broke'' as Mississippi used to be.
- When auto factories up North went broke and or closed
- down, there were/are the rust belts.
- I once read somewhere auto factories last about thirty years.
- Someday there will be a rust belt in Mississippi.
- Mississippi is or used to be mostly Agricultural,
- rust belts/closeing down of factories up North
- didn't hardly affect Mississippi at all.
-
- Give me Agriculture any time!
- cuhulin *

Cuhulin,

For All of Mankinds Known Existance Agriculture has been
the mainstay of human industry {work} it is only in the last
200+ Years of the Industrial Age that Manufacturing has
occupied such a large portion of Mankind's Labor Effort.

Demographics | Ag 101 | Agriculture | US EPA
http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/demographics.html
Presently less than 1% of Americans 'claim' Farming as
an Occupation; and about 2% actually Live on Farms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricul..._United_States
-imho- These Numbers should be at least 5% to insure
a 'strategic' reserve of Farms and Farmers for American
Agriculture Independence and the Security of Our Food
Supplies and Our Food Supply-Line.

NOTE - After the US Civil War in the 1870s about Half
(50%) of the US Population was Employed in Agriculture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricul...tes#Employment
Now in the 21st Century (2000s) less than a Million
US Workers are Employed Agriculture out of ~150 Million
which is 0.7% of the Total.
RESULT : Too Few Producers and Too Many Consumers.

Sad-Fact-But-True : There are more Criminals Locked-Up
in Prisons in the USA than there are Farmers.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_perce...on_are_farmers

A History of American Agriculture : Farmers and the Land
http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timel...rmers_land.htm
Good Out-Line Time Line from the 17th to the 21st Centuries.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/US.htm

American Agriculture : Its Changing Significance
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/oecon/chap8.htm

it nice to 'feel' the good earth beneath my feet
and the smell of fresh soil after a rain ~ RHF

RHF wrote:

On Jun 6, 8:06 am, wrote:
-
- More and more industry is moving into Mississippi.
- Mississippi is not as ''broke'' as Mississippi used to be.
- When auto factories up North went broke and or closed
- down, there were/are the rust belts.
- I once read somewhere auto factories last about thirty years.
- Someday there will be a rust belt in Mississippi.
- Mississippi is or used to be mostly Agricultural,
- rust belts/closeing down of factories up North
- didn't hardly affect Mississippi at all.
-
- Give me Agriculture any time!
- cuhulin

Cuhulin,

For All of Mankinds Known Existance Agriculture has been
the mainstay of human industry {work} it is only in the last
200+ Years of the Industrial Age that Manufacturing has
occupied such a large portion of Mankind's Labor Effort.

Demographics | Ag 101 | Agriculture | US EPA
http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/demographics.html
Presently less than 1% of Americans 'claim' Farming as
an Occupation; and about 2% actually Live on Farms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricul..._United_States
-imho- These Numbers should be at least 5% to insure
a 'strategic' reserve of Farms and Farmers for American
Agriculture Independence and the Security of Our Food
Supplies and Our Food Supply-Line.

NOTE - After the US Civil War in the 1870s about Half
(50%) of the US Population was Employed in Agriculture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricul...tes#Employment
Now in the 21st Century (2000s) less than a Million
US Workers are Employed Agriculture out of ~150 Million
which is 0.7% of the Total.
RESULT : Too Few Producers and Too Many Consumers.

Sad-Fact-But-True : There are more Criminals Locked-Up
in Prisons in the USA than there are Farmers.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_perce...on_are_farmers

A History of American Agriculture : Farmers and the Land
http://www.agclassroom.org/gan/timel...rmers_land.htm
Good Out-Line Time Line from the 17th to the 21st Centuries.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/StateFacts/US.htm

American Agriculture : Its Changing Significance
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/oecon/chap8.htm

it nice to 'feel' the good earth beneath my feet
and the smell of fresh soil after a rain ~ RHF

Humanity would be better served if 'Eduardo' were to take his shtick to the
fields and began picking lettuce.

I had to watch the (1945) The Southerner movie that just now ran on the
TCM channel.

On Tuesday morning of this week, my sister took me down town.I was
suppose to have been finished up with hauling off all of the junk in my
back yard and tearing down my big old rotten shed in my back yard by
June 3,2008.But over forty years of collecting junk, just not enough
time.The city has allowed me two more months to get my s.it together.

www.devilfinder.com Mississippi in World War Two

Farmers going to War.
cuhulin