On Jul 11, 1:11*pm, "MNMikeW" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message

...

- - I have never wanted to be a rich asshole;

- Too bad, you've excelled as a poor asshole.

ROTFL - oaoa ~ RHF

On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:11:26 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
...

I have never wanted to be a rich asshole;
Too bad, you've excelled as a poor asshole.

I do it for sport.

On Jul 11, 4:55*pm, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:11:26 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...

- - - I have never wanted to be a rich asshole;

- - Too bad, you've excelled as a poor asshole.

- I do it for sport.

Dave -wrt- "Asshole" Sport ~ Game :
Dang We Got A Winner ! ~ RHF

On Jul 11, 6:18*pm, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jul 11, 4:55 pm, Dave wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:11:26 -0500, MNMikeW wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...

- - - I have never wanted to be a rich asshole;

- - Too bad, you've excelled as a poor asshole.

- I do it for sport.

Dave -wrt- "Asshole" Sport ~ Game :
Dang We Got A Winner ! ~ RHF
*.

- Still waiting for you to define "personal freedom"...

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_l...t_of_happiness

Personal Freedom . . .
http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/enlight/person.htm

The Freedom to Be Yourself {Self-Defining}
and Allowing Others To Do the Same for Themselves
http://www.amazon.com/Choice-Theory-.../dp/0060930144

RHF wrote:

- Still waiting for you to define "personal freedom"...


Personal Freedom . . .
http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/enlight/person.htm

From your link:

"Yet all Jefferson's happiness at Monticello, his whole "art of avoiding
pain," came at the cost of inflicting pain on others - the pain of
slavery. Slaves built Jefferson's home and rebuilt it. Slaves cultivated
his gardens and fields. Slaves cared for his grandchildren and served
his friends. Jefferson owned slaves throughout his life, kept a slave
beside him as he wrote the Declaration of Independence, brought slaves
to Washington as he restored democracy to American government. While
other Virginians freed their slaves, Jefferson remained a slaveholder to
his death. Slaves even dug his grave."

On Jul 12, 6:21*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
- Still waiting for you to define "personal freedom"...

Personal Freedom . . .
http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/enlight/person.htm

*From your link:

"Yet all Jefferson's happiness at Monticello, his whole "art of avoiding
pain," came at the cost of inflicting pain on others - the pain of
slavery. Slaves built Jefferson's home and rebuilt it. Slaves cultivated
his gardens and fields. Slaves cared for his grandchildren and served
his friends. Jefferson owned slaves throughout his life, kept a slave
beside him as he wrote the Declaration of Independence, brought slaves
to Washington as he restored democracy to American government. While
other Virginians freed their slaves, Jefferson remained a slaveholder to
his death. Slaves even dug his grave."

Dave,

I would imagine that you would have fit-in as a
Jim Dandy "Overseer" during Jefferson's Time.

a fine example of a 'cracker' ~ RHF

RHF wrote:
On Jul 12, 6:21 am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
- Still waiting for you to define "personal freedom"...
Personal Freedom . . .
http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/enlight/person.htm
From your link:

"Yet all Jefferson's happiness at Monticello, his whole "art of avoiding
pain," came at the cost of inflicting pain on others - the pain of
slavery. Slaves built Jefferson's home and rebuilt it. Slaves cultivated
his gardens and fields. Slaves cared for his grandchildren and served
his friends. Jefferson owned slaves throughout his life, kept a slave
beside him as he wrote the Declaration of Independence, brought slaves
to Washington as he restored democracy to American government. While
other Virginians freed their slaves, Jefferson remained a slaveholder to
his death. Slaves even dug his grave."

Dave,

I would imagine that you would have fit-in as a
Jim Dandy "Overseer" during Jefferson's Time.

a fine example of a 'cracker' ~ RHF
.
-ps- Why way back then even Barack Hussein Obama II
had some relatives that 'owned' Slaves.
{It's All Part of American History}
.
So "personal freedom" as a virtue is pure BS, isn't it?

On Jul 12, 11:58*am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Jul 12, 6:21 am, Dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
- Still waiting for you to define "personal freedom"...
Personal Freedom . . .
http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/enlight/person.htm
*From your link:

"Yet all Jefferson's happiness at Monticello, his whole "art of avoiding
pain," came at the cost of inflicting pain on others - the pain of
slavery. Slaves built Jefferson's home and rebuilt it. Slaves cultivated
his gardens and fields. Slaves cared for his grandchildren and served
his friends. Jefferson owned slaves throughout his life, kept a slave
beside him as he wrote the Declaration of Independence, brought slaves
to Washington as he restored democracy to American government. While
other Virginians freed their slaves, Jefferson remained a slaveholder to
his death. Slaves even dug his grave."

Dave,

I would imagine that you would have fit-in as a
Jim Dandy "Overseer" during Jefferson's Time.

a fine example of a 'cracker' ~ RHF
*.
-ps- Why way back then even Barack Hussein Obama II
had some relatives that 'owned' Slaves.
{It's All Part of American History}
*.

- So "personal freedom" as a virtue is pure BS, isn't it?

Dave - That would be a "No" {BS} ~ RHF

Dave "My" Personal Freedom . . .
The Freedom to Be Yourself {Self-Defining} -and-
Allowing Others To Do the Same for Themselves

Is clearly 'founded' in the All American Idea of
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life,_l...t_of_happiness

D Peter Maus wrote:


Well, if they're not subjects of a despot, and they're not free to
express liberty at will, then who holds the golden chains?

Freedom from despotism without the free expression of liberty is not
liberty.

No matter who holds the chains.


"Express liberty"? How does one "express liberty"? What does "free"
mean? How is different than chaos? There's your answer.

We are free to make rules.

Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:


Well, if they're not subjects of a despot, and they're not free to
express liberty at will, then who holds the golden chains?

Freedom from despotism without the free expression of liberty is not
liberty.

No matter who holds the chains.


"Express liberty"? How does one "express liberty"? What does "free"
mean? How is different than chaos? There's your answer.

We are free to make rules.




So Liberty is living free under anyone who is you.