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Future of DRM on SW?
"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?"
DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count for http://drm.org - http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. Thanks... |
Future of DRM on SW?
On Jul 30, 5:13�pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? �I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. �Thanks.... It looks like Sangean gave up on the MP40 DRM receiver: http://www.universal-radio.com/CATAL...ble/0040a.html |
Future of DRM on SW?
On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
"Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. Thanks... DRM is a waste of time and resources. To produce transmitters before the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it. |
Future of DRM on SW?
Rfburns wrote:
DRM is a waste of time and resources. To produce transmitters before the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it. Were cassette tapes widely available before before the players? Were compact discs flooding the market before CD players were on the shelves? Did Elvis leave the building BEFORE the performance? I've got to run. I see my horse pushing the cart forward yet again... mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, Google Groups or HOTMAIL address. It also filters everything from a .cn server. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
Future of DRM on SW?
On Jul 31, 9:58�am, Rfburns wrote:
On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote: "Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? �I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. �Thanks.... DRM is a waste of time and resources. �To produce transmitters before the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It appears that SW listeners have little interest in DRM. The hit count on drm.org is only a couple of hundred/month, and falling. There are only a couple of very expensive DRM receivers and they are battery-hogs. Of couse, just as with SiPort's IBOC chip that never materialized, Samsung's IBOC chip is a battery-hog and is too large for devices, such as cell phones. Here is a copy of a letter that I sent to drm.org, yesterday: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Whom It May Concern: I am wondering about the future of DRM - I came across this article, which indicated that DRM is pretty much DOA: "Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" "Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window." http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then, I ran this website traffic analysis of http://drm.org - http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. I understand that DRM is causing interference on SW, as is HD Radio/IBOC on AM/FM in the US. I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean has put their DRM MP40 receiver on hold. Any thoughts? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you look at the drm.og website, the hyped picture of the girl listening to DRM appears to be almost a mirror image of the fraudulently hyped pictures on iBiquity's and HD Radio Alliance's websites. |
The Future of New Radio Technologies . . .
On Jul 31, 6:58*am, Rfburns wrote:
On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote: "Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? *I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. *Thanks... - DRM is a waste of time and resources. -*To produce transmitters before the receivers are commonly - available is just plain dumb - not to mention the fact that - there's no consumer demand for it. D'Oh ! - Chicken-or-Egg - Which Came First ? The Future of New Radio Technologies . . . Will Radio Stagnate and Die as a Popular Public Meda ? Or - Will Radio Embrace New Technology and Survive ? But your are right; without a Natural Path of Migration DRM is subject to slow or no grow {is doa}. -IF- the European Grovernments are 'committed' to DRM : Then they should have mandated that all new AM/FM Shortwave Radios that are made or imported into Europe are fully DRM Capable. Note - That also goes for RDS and DAB Eureka 147 in the EU too. Radio (TV) functions well as a commonly available Public Media : When there is a 'balance' between Number of Broadcasters {Amount of Broadcasting and Number of Receivers and Radio Listeners. For Radio as a Media the Car and Truck are the best method of introducing 'the public' to new forms of Radio. People change / exchange their Cars and Trucks more often then they replace / buy a new Radio. This applies equally as well to RDS, DRM, DAB Eureka 147, and IBOC HD-Radio as new forms of Radio. The swiftest Natural Path of Migration for new forms of Radio is Government Mandates for Standard Receivers with priority implementation in Car and Truck Radio by a given date/year. * Once this "Mandate" occurs; the Number the newly manufactured New Technology Radios increases with each Year. * The Cost of these New Technology Radios decreases with each Year. * The Public Adapts to and Uses the New Technology Radios more and more with each passing Year. Note - Government Mandates are done in the Public Interest for the general good of a society. Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) - Eureka 147 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Radio_Mondiale Radio Data System (RDS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System In-Band On-Channel (IBOC) -aka- HD-Radio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio |
The Future of New Radio Technologies . . .
On Jul 31, 1:38�pm, RHF wrote:
On Jul 31, 6:58�am, Rfburns wrote: On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote: "Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? �I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. �Thanks... - DRM is a waste of time and resources. -�To produce transmitters before the receivers are commonly - available is just plain dumb - not to mention the fact that - there's no consumer demand for it. D'Oh ! - Chicken-or-Egg - Which Came First ? The Future of New Radio Technologies . . . Will Radio Stagnate and Die as a Popular Public Meda ? Or - Will Radio Embrace New Technology and Survive ? But your are right; without a Natural Path of Migration DRM is subject to slow or no grow {is doa}. -IF- the European Grovernments are 'committed' to DRM : Then they should have mandated that all new AM/FM Shortwave Radios that are made or imported into Europe are fully DRM Capable. Note - That also goes for RDS and DAB Eureka 147 in the EU too. Radio (TV) functions well as a commonly available Public Media : When there is a 'balance' between Number of Broadcasters {Amount of Broadcasting and Number of Receivers and Radio Listeners. For Radio as a Media the Car and Truck are the best method of introducing 'the public' to new forms of Radio. People change / exchange their Cars and Trucks more often then they replace / buy a new Radio. �This applies equally as well to RDS, DRM, DAB Eureka 147, and IBOC HD-Radio as new forms of Radio. The swiftest Natural Path of Migration for new forms of Radio is Government Mandates for Standard Receivers with priority implementation in Car and Truck Radio by a given date/year. * Once this "Mandate" occurs; the Number the newly manufactured New Technology Radios increases with each Year. * The Cost of these New Technology Radios decreases with each Year. * The Public Adapts to and Uses the New Technology Radios more and more with each passing Year. Note - Government Mandates are done in the Public Interest for the general good of a society. Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB) - Eureka 147http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Radio_Mondiale Radio Data System (RDS)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System In-Band On-Channel (IBOC) -aka- HD-Radiohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-band_on-channelhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio �. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CopyRight � RHF {Radio High Frequency} All Rights Reserved. �. Fair Use Notice : This Entire Message in Part or Entirety may be Copied and Reposted on/in All Media : Provided the Source the "Rec.Radio.Shortwave" Newsgroup and the Author RHF {Radio High Frequency} are both identified. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - �.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "-IF- the European Grovernments are 'committed' to DRM : Then they should have mandated that all new AM/FM Shortwave Radios that are made or imported into Europe are fully DRM Capable." Good-luck with that one - mandating a technology that consumers don't want would never work. Good-luck convincing China to stop building $10 - $25 SW radios, wich readilly sell, and start building expensive $200 - $300 DRM SW receivers that nobody wants. Goo-luck replacing the estimated 2+ billion analog SW radios, probably many which are $10 - $25, with $200 - $300 DRM receviers. As with HD/IBOC, good-luck with killing off analog radio. DRM is dead: "Death of Digital Radio Mondiale in 2008 as well?" http://criticaldistance.blogspot.com...e-as-well.html Besides, as with nighttime AM-HD, DRM doesn't even work with dropouts, poor coverage, and interference. |
Future of DRM on SW?
On Jul 31, 8:19*am, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
On Jul 31, 9:58 am, Rfburns wrote: On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote: "Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. Thanks... DRM is a waste of time and resources. To produce transmitters before the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It appears that SW listeners have little interest in DRM. The hit count on drm.org is only a couple of hundred/month, and falling. There are only a couple of very expensive DRM receivers and they are battery-hogs. Of couse, just as with SiPort's IBOC chip that never materialized, Samsung's IBOC chip is a battery-hog and is too large for devices, such as cell phones. Here is a copy of a letter that I sent to drm.org, yesterday: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------ To Whom It May Concern: I am wondering about the future of DRM - I came across this article, which indicated that DRM is pretty much DOA: "Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" "Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window." http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then, I ran this website traffic analysis of *http://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. I understand that DRM is causing *interference on SW, as is HD Radio/IBOC on AM/FM in the US. *I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean has put their DRM MP40 receiver on hold. *Any thoughts? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------*------------------ - If you look at the drm.og website, the hyped picture - of the girl listening to DRM appears to be almost a - mirror image of the fraudulently hyped pictures on - iBiquity's and HD Radio Alliance's websites. D'Oh ! - That's Why It's Call Advertising and Creating a Positive Product Image. -aka- Marketing 101. Kaito WRX911 - You sure sound like {read like} a Sock Puppet of one of the 'other' Anti-Radio Shills. ~ RHF http://static.flickr.com/73/199537021_258b570c5f_o.jpg FWIW -imho- DRM as a Radio Broadcast Technology works best intra-continental as portrayed by this DW Radio DRM Coverage Map. http://www.dw-world.de/image/0,,2185227_1,00.jpg DRM on DW Radio : The Where and The When : Receiving DW Radio in DRM in Europe http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,...199600,00.html |
The Future of New Radio Technologies . . .
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:38:52 -0700, RHF wrote:
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Future of DRM on SW?
On Jul 31, 9:58�am, Rfburns wrote:
On Jul 30, 5:13 pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote: "Why don't you use DRM on Shortwave?" DRM is the acronym of Digital Radio Mondiale, a new technology intended to offer digital, almost FM, quality to Shortwave, Long Wave and Medium Wave (AM) broadcasts. Unfortunately DRM is incompatible with ordinary Shortwave radios and requires buying new receivers, that are not currently available in mass production, or at a cost that is anywhere close to a conventional, analogue Shortwave receiver. Some DRM receivers requires a PC and a special device to listen to DRM signals. Our transmitters are DRM capable, and we already run preliminary tests with our own developed DRM encoders. We are ready to broadcast using DRM at any time, but unfortunately there are no mass produced receivers for our listeners to buy at a decent price, and - most importantly - there are no listeners for DRM at present. DRM is a very promising technology, has a 2-3 year delay over original plans, and it is still confined as a technological experiment. Will it be successful, meaning that we will see soon lots of listeners embracing it? Ask the man in the street: unfortunately marketing efforts to create awareness of this new potential media have not been started yet. Some large companies are pushing DRM by convincing program producers and broadcasters to start airing in DRM ahead of time, but unless there is mass availability and penetration of receivers on the listeners side, this will remain - unfortunately - a technological experiment, and broadcasters using it to reach their listeners now, are clearly throwing their money out of the window. Similar "experiments" were run in the past using analogue & digital satellite radio and WorldSpace. They failed miserably in reaching an audience for different reasons. We have been following with great interest the development of DRM, and as soon as one of our members send us a request to start DRM broadcasts we will do it. Currently we advise them to wait and see until there are low cost receivers available in mass production, and of course there are listeners using them. We are still very active on conventional Shortwave and Internet streaming, because there are listeners out-there, and there are regions in the world where Shortwave is still popular, still listened to. According to what we hear from missionaries in Africa, the Far and Middle East and S America DRM will have a hard time to be popular in those regions for some time (if ever), due to the high cost associated in the conversion of the present Shortwave and Medium Wave receivers to DRM capable devices. Unfortunately we have seen something similar to DRM today happening for satellite radio in Europe and WorldSpace, another promising technology marketed initially for listeners in Africa, and confined for years to embassies, consulates and a bunch of rich people on that continent. DRM, Worldspace and satellite radio in Europe, Africa and Asia are NOT what XM and Sirius are today in the USA. We wish they could be, maybe, sometime in the future. http://www.egradio.org/index.php?name=FAQ&id_cat=7 Then I ran this hit count forhttp://drm.org- http://siteanalytics.compete.com/drm.org/?metric=uv It looks almost dead. Is DRM causing much interference on SW, and does DRM appear to be a bust? �I could only find a handful of very expensive DRM receivers. Radio Shack has indicated that they are not interested, and Sangean put their DRM receiver on hold. �Thanks.... DRM is a waste of time and resources. �To produce transmitters before the receivers are commonly available is just plain dumb - not to mention the fact that there's no consumer demand for it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Here is their rote response, avoiding the fact that DRM is dead: Dear *****, Thanks for your message to the National Association of Shortwave Broadcasters regarding the future of DRM For the very latest information, I would suggest that you read an article in Radio World: http://www.rwonline.com/pages/s.0049/t.14743.html Also, in the June 2008 NASB Newsletter, the above article appears, along with another one about the status of DRM in the United States. Go to www.shortwave.org, then click on Newsletter, then on June 2008. For an important update on the Alaskan DRM project, see www.26mhz.us. There are a number of items about the Alaskan project there, including the news about the FCC approval of the two-year experimental license. A lot will depend on the situation with DRM receivers, as the articles indicate. However, the NASB has already conducted test transmissions in DRM both in Europe and North America, and many of our members are watching DRM developments with great interest. Sincerely, Jeff White President, NASB Vice Chairman, DRM USA General Manager, WRMI Radio Miami International 175 Fontainebleau Blvd., Suite 1N4 Miami, Florida 33172 USA Tel +1-305-559-9764 (WRMI) Fax +1-305-559-1362 |
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