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"John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it's okay when women don't earn equal pay for equal work," Clinton said. "With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they're awfully hard to tell apart." http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...ha nnel=10112 |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who doesn't have health insurance wants it. I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health Insurance crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of those raw numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance. Everyone should be in the pool. Young people, healthy people, need coverage for accidents and to pay in while they're healthy so there'll be something for them when they get old. What's wrong with replacing current insurers with Medicare? An immediate 20% cost saving would be realized and no one would be rejected for "pre-existing conditions". Tens of thousands of Americans die early because of lack of health care. This is a major disgrace. The USA is the only "developed" country without universal health care. |
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Dave wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who doesn't have health insurance wants it. I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health Insurance crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of those raw numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance. Everyone should be in the pool. Typical socialist mentality: everyone should be in the pool. Why? If they choose not to be included they don't need to be included. Some of us do just fine WITHOUT the noise of some insurance company telling us where to go, which doctors to see or what procedures to have done. Those decisions are best left up to the patients and their physicians...not insurance company bean counters. Just because YOU choose to be in the pool doesn't mean I have to accept substandard care if I can see and find a better way. |
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Dave wrote:
"developed" country without universal health care. And the only developed country where health care actually works. Ask all the Canadians who cross the border for emergency procedures that would take a year wait or more from their universal health care system. Why do you think there are now private, non government involved hospitals appearing in Canada? To serve those who have found the Canadian health care system wanting. Look at what's happening in the UK: rationing of health care with more than 30% of the population pre-rejected from certain procedures due to existing health issues. "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free." -- P.J. O'Rourke. |
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On Aug 27, 9:33 am, D Peter Maus wrote:
Dave wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: A point not mentioned in this 'crisis' is: Not every one who doesn't have health insurance wants it. I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. The truth is that no one is asking who REAlLY is in a Health Insurance crisis, today, because no one is asking how many out of those raw numbers is simply not interested in Health Insurance. Everyone should be in the pool. Typical socialist mentality: everyone should be in the pool. Why? If they choose not to be included they don't need to be included. Some of us do just fine WITHOUT the noise of some insurance company telling us where to go, which doctors to see or what procedures to have done. Those decisions are best left up to the patients and their physicians...not insurance company bean counters. Just because YOU choose to be in the pool doesn't mean I have to accept substandard care if I can see and find a better way. Last guy I knew who " Didn't Go To Doctors" - died of a stroke. |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
Dave wrote: "developed" country without universal health care. And the only developed country where health care actually works. Ask all the Canadians who cross the border for emergency procedures that would take a year wait or more from their universal health care system. Why do you think there are now private, non government involved hospitals appearing in Canada? To serve those who have found the Canadian health care system wanting. Look at what's happening in the UK: rationing of health care with more than 30% of the population pre-rejected from certain procedures due to existing health issues. "If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free." -- P.J. O'Rourke. Margaret Thatcher totally screwed-up England, including their health care system. What's wrong with the German system? Or the French? You never hear about those. BTW, we're better than Canada. |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
Ask all the Canadians who cross the border for emergency procedures that would take a year wait or more from their universal health care system. Why do you think there are now private, non government involved hospitals appearing in Canada? To serve those who have found the Canadian health care system wanting. As the population ages, their medical needs go up. Big business has noticed a huge market catering to this group. There are billions to be made, as people in general don't want to die. Most will pay anything in order to stay above ground. The politicians, ever so eager to keep their contributors and future employers happy, are making privatization of the health care system possible. In Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where I live, they've closed two of the biggest hospitals. One was demolished and the other one is being used by private interests. That caused a bed shortage. The more of an inconvenience a visit to the hospital becomes, the more people will be accepting a privatized system. That will, invariably, cost them more than they are paying now. There has to be a profit made, or why bother setting up a business? Any shortcomings or faults in the system can be blamed directly on this need of government to privatize. It's all about generating business opportunities for the money men behind our elected 'servants'. mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \ /'Think Tanks Cleaned Cheap'/ /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ Densa International© For the OTHER two percent. Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, Google Groups or HOTMAIL address. I also filter everything from a .cn server. For solutions which may work for you, please check: http://improve-usenet.org/ |
(OT) : The False {Political} Promise of Public Health Care for All .. .
On Aug 27, 9:46 am, m II wrote:
- - D Peter Maus wrote: - - Ask all the Canadians who cross the border for emergency procedures - - that would take a year wait or more from their universal health care - - system. - - - - Why do you think there are now private, non government involved - - hospitals appearing in Canada? To serve those who have found the - - Canadian health care system wanting. M II -wrote- - As the population ages, their medical needs go up. Big business has - noticed a huge market catering to this group. There are billions to be - made, as people in general don't want to die. Most will pay anything in - order to stay above ground. - - The politicians, ever so eager to keep their contributors and future - employers happy, are making privatization of the health care system - possible. In Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where I live, they've closed two - of the biggest hospitals. One was demolished and the other one is being - used by private interests. That caused a bed shortage. - - The more of an inconvenience a visit to the hospital becomes, the more - people will be accepting a privatized system. That will, invariably, - cost them more than they are paying now. There has to be a profit made, - or why bother setting up a business? - - Any shortcomings or faults in the system can be blamed directly on this - need of government to privatize. It's all about generating business - opportunities for the money men behind our elected 'servants'. - - mike IIRC - The UK is now using an estimate of 15% 'Private' to 85% Public to equalize the distribution of Medical Care between : Those who can Pay-Their-Own-Way -and- Those who can best use the Public Supported System. (OT) : The False {Political} Promise of Public Health Care for All . . . The Smart Approach is a National Sales Tax of around 5% that Taxes both Domestic and Imported Goods and Services 'equally' is the best way of fairly distributing the Cost of Public Health Care. The Really Dumb Idea is to use a Payroll Based System which 'jacks-up' the Price of Domestic Goods and Services and lets Imported Goods and Services go UN-TAXED. Once Again the US Congress has FAILED the Citizens of the US in providing a Public Health Care System that is funded in a manner to be cost neutral to the Tax Payers. EXAMPLE : The US Military Health Care System for both Active and Retired Service Members has many "Problems" and they are all directly attributed to the Inadequate Funding of the System by the US Congress. Question - What If - We Had a Public Health Care System for Every US Citizen and the US Congress FAILED to provide adequate Funding . . . American Citizens would be Sick and Dying and the Blood would be on the Hands of Each and Every Member of the House and Senate. throw the bumbs out - we need real change and new leadership in the us congress ~ RHF |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
* *I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. * *I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. Perhaps you are very well off and can write a check for whatever medical expenses you need. Or perhaps you don't expect to have any serious health issues. But for most middle-class Americans, a serious illness or injury to themselves or a family member could wipe them out financially if they did not have health insurance. I make a good salary, but I wouldn't risk my family's well-being by not having health insurance. By the way, Obama's health plan (unlike Hillary's) is not mandatory, so you won't have to be part of it if you don't want to be. Art Harris |
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Art Harris wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. Perhaps you are very well off and can write a check for whatever medical expenses you need. Or perhaps you don't expect to have any serious health issues. But for most middle-class Americans, a serious illness or injury to themselves or a family member could wipe them out financially if they did not have health insurance. I make a good salary, but I wouldn't risk my family's well-being by not having health insurance. By the way, Obama's health plan (unlike Hillary's) is not mandatory, so you won't have to be part of it if you don't want to be. Art Harris You missed the point....Agreeing with your statements above, the noise is the claim that 47 millions Americans don't have health insurance and that constitutes a crisis. The fact is, that there are those who don't have it, and don't want it, rendering that 47 million figure a misrepresentation of the actual issue under discussion. |
( OT) McCain in a Landslide !
Art Harris wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. Perhaps you are very well off and can write a check for whatever medical expenses you need. Or perhaps you don't expect to have any serious health issues. But for most middle-class Americans, a serious illness or injury to themselves or a family member could wipe them out financially if they did not have health insurance. I make a good salary, but I wouldn't risk my family's well-being by not having health insurance. By the way, Obama's health plan (unlike Hillary's) is not mandatory, so you won't have to be part of it if you don't want to be. And, Obama is not mandatory, you don't have to vote for him. NoBama, no cry! |
(OT) : Count Every Vote - On 4 November 2008 - Just Say No To Obama
On Aug 27, 2:34*pm, dxAce wrote:
Art Harris wrote: *D Peter Maus wrote: * *I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. * *I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. Perhaps you are very well off and can write a check for whatever medical expenses you need. Or perhaps you don't expect to have any serious health issues. But for most middle-class Americans, a serious illness or injury to themselves or a family member could wipe them out financially if they did not have health insurance. I make a good salary, but I wouldn't risk my family's well-being by not having health insurance. By the way, Obama's health plan (unlike Hillary's) is not mandatory, so you won't have to be part of it if you don't want to be. And, Obama is not mandatory, you don't have to vote for him. NoBama, no cry!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On 4 November 2008 - Just Say No To Obama nobama, NoBama. NOBAMA ! ~ RHF |
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D Peter Maus wrote: I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. Art Harris wrote: Perhaps you are very well off and can write a check for whatever medical expenses you need. Perhaps. Or perhaps you don't expect to have any serious health issues. Right...just like the people that don't bother with a will because they never expect to die. But for most middle-class Americans, a serious illness or injury to themselves or a family member could wipe them out financially if they did not have health insurance. Yes Art, this is quite true. Medical expenses have gone through the roof. I recently had two relatives and a friend requiring medical care, arthroscopic knee surgery, appendectomy and quadruple bypass. The prices for these services ranged from a low of $18,500 to a little over $100,000. Many families (but not all) simply do not have that much money on hand. The ones who do have that much money didn't get that wealthy by being stupid and 'going naked' (without insurance). Excluding the wealthy, the savings rate for this country is a -negative- one or two percent (which is to say, most have -no- savings and are dipping into whatever equity they can scrape up). There may be a few quirky or eccentric individuals that indeed do not want medical insurance, but given their druthers, I think a LARGE portion of people would prefer to have it. I make a good salary, but I wouldn't risk my family's well-being by not having health insurance. Amen...and just speculation, but maybe the other poster doesn't have a family to worry about. |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
You missed the point....Agreeing with your statements above, the noise is the claim that 47 millions Americans don't have health insurance and that constitutes a crisis. The fact is, that there are those who don't have it, and don't want it, rendering that 47 million figure a misrepresentation of the actual issue under discussion. Before you can say that, you have to provide the percentage of the 47 million that don't want it. 1 million? 46.5 million? Would you care to provide an approximate figure of how many of the 47 million 'don't want it' or at least speculate? Possibly you are splitting hairs or addressing the 'exception that proves the rule'? As a fact, medical care is -extremely- expensive and common sense would dictate that a very large portion of those 47 million, given a choice, -would- prefer to have health care insurance (you and your 3 friends excepted of course). |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
* *You missed the point....Agreeing with your statements above, the noise is the claim that 47 millions Americans don't have health insurance and that constitutes a crisis. The fact is, that there are those who don't have it, and don't want it, rendering that 47 million figure a misrepresentation of the actual issue under discussion Most "don't want it" for the same reason I don't want a Rolls Royce (too expensive). And then there are young people who think they're going to stay healthy and live forever. But when they're on death's door, they will go to the emergency room and the rest of us will pick up the tab. The number of Americans who truly don't want health insurance is very small. Lack of access to health care IS a crisis for those who have lost jobs, or whose employers don't offer coverage. Every other industrial nation has some form of universal health care for their citizens. Sooner or later the US will too. Art Harris |
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Billy Burpelson wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: You missed the point....Agreeing with your statements above, the noise is the claim that 47 millions Americans don't have health insurance and that constitutes a crisis. The fact is, that there are those who don't have it, and don't want it, rendering that 47 million figure a misrepresentation of the actual issue under discussion. Before you can say that, you have to provide the percentage of the 47 million that don't want it. 1 million? 46.5 million? That's exactly my point. That figure is never provided when the 'crisis' is declared. A claim of crisis based on an absence of fact. |
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Art Harris wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: You missed the point....Agreeing with your statements above, the noise is the claim that 47 millions Americans don't have health insurance and that constitutes a crisis. The fact is, that there are those who don't have it, and don't want it, rendering that 47 million figure a misrepresentation of the actual issue under discussion Most "don't want it" for the same reason I don't want a Rolls Royce (too expensive). And then there are young people who think they're going to stay healthy and live forever. But when they're on death's door, they will go to the emergency room and the rest of us will pick up the tab. The number of Americans who truly don't want health insurance is very small. That may be true. I know, however, in my circles of colleagues/friends, only 1 in 3 has health insurance, and those that do not have it, do not want it. The number nationwide may be surprising. But it's a number that's not reported. All of your points about those who want health insurance are valid. And I'm not arguing with any of them. You are correct. My point is that to claim everyone who is not insured is in crisis is disingenuous. If not misleading. |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:09:17 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote:
That may be true. I know, however, in my circles of colleagues/friends, only 1 in 3 has health insurance, and those that do not have it, do not want it. The number nationwide may be surprising. But it's a number that's not reported. All of your points about those who want health insurance are valid. And I'm not arguing with any of them. You are correct. My point is that to claim everyone who is not insured is in crisis is disingenuous. If not misleading. You guys must be fabulously wealthy to take a risk like that. A broken leg can cost five figures these days. |
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Burpelson Air Force Base?
How I learned to stop worrying,,,,,, I have Physicians Mutual insurance.If I need to go to a hospital I will go to www.stdom.com I don't trust the VA center. cuhulin |
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Dave wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:09:17 +0000, D Peter Maus wrote: That may be true. I know, however, in my circles of colleagues/friends, only 1 in 3 has health insurance, and those that do not have it, do not want it. The number nationwide may be surprising. But it's a number that's not reported. All of your points about those who want health insurance are valid. And I'm not arguing with any of them. You are correct. My point is that to claim everyone who is not insured is in crisis is disingenuous. If not misleading. You guys must be fabulously wealthy to take a risk like that. A broken leg can cost five figures these days. Six. |
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D Peter Maus wrote:
I know, however, in my circles of colleagues/friends, only 1 in 3 has health insurance, and those that do not have it, do not want it. Fair enough...but could you please elaborate. *WHY* "don't they want it"? I presume they are around your (retirement) age. Are they *all* -exceptionally- healthy? Are they *all* -exceptionally- wealthy? As age and illness creeps up on them (as it does to 98% of all us), what will they do the day they become sick? What will YOU do if, heaven forbid, you have an accident with your motorcycle? Write a check? Go to the ER and expect others to pay for them? Ask to be set out on the curb to die? Is it remotely possible that some of them can't afford it and are too ashamed to admit it? Please elaborate as to why they don't have/"don't want" insurance. It truly seems a bit of a stretch to extrapolate you and your 3 buddies to the rest of the 47 million. |
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Billy Burpelson wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote: I know, however, in my circles of colleagues/friends, only 1 in 3 has health insurance, and those that do not have it, do not want it. Fair enough...but could you please elaborate. *WHY* "don't they want it"? I presume they are around your (retirement) age. Are they *all* -exceptionally- healthy? Are they *all* -exceptionally- wealthy? None of the above. They, like myself, are tired of paying more into the system than they receive in benefits, of getting cut rate, assembly line services in health issues that require sophisticated care. A previous post mentioned that a broken leg can cost 5 figures, today. Actually, it's closer to 6, all told. That's if you let insurance pay the bills. In 1986, I was hit by a car. You want to talk about a broken leg? That was only the beginning. Compression fracture of the T-6 verteba, nerve damage, 40 surgeries, intensive care. From the minute they loaded me into the ambulance, the clock started running. We didn't even KNOW about the spinal injury because the bean counters at the insurance desk at the hospital made executive decisions based on insurance data. That surfaced later under a much different specification of care. I had someone call my attorney, while waiting for admission to the trauma room. I guaranteed the bill myself, to be paid out of a special savings account I'd been feeding for years for this purpose, forgoing entirely insurance. At the time of my release, I had more than $100,000 in medical bills. My attorney went over them and we found more than $30,000 in billing for services that were never rendered, or rendered to another patient, or simply made up. I paid the bill out of the account I'd created for that purpose and on an installment plan for a portion. Had I had insurance, it's likely I'd not be able to walk, today. Or given the nature of the spinal injury, been paralyzed. As it is, I do ok. I walk, bowl, play ball. I have some loss of utility in the outer fingers of each hand, which can be improved with daily exercises. I am neither wealthy, nor exceptionally healthy. I live in a modest house. I spend my days enjoying my work and my hobbies, and at night I watch TV with my dog. Or spend time with someone else. No one in my circle are any different. There is no great wealth here. Only a decision that we'd rather get the services we pay for, rather than take the substandard care give us. We all have different solutions, but the address of the problem remains. And we are not alone. How many millions of 'healthcare savings accounts' have been created since then by individuals realizing that insurance is not the solution for them. I did it before there was a government sponsored, tax sheltered healthcare savings account. So did many of my friends. We just chose a better path. Be clear on this--I'm not saying that we shouldn't have health care insurance. For some, for those who wish it, they should have it. I'm just opposed to paying for both my health care, and your insurance. And this 'everybody should be in the pool' nonsense, is just that--nonsense. It truly seems a bit of a stretch to extrapolate you and your 3 buddies to the rest of the 47 million. Which, if you'll read more closely, I didn't do. I didn't claim anything for 47 million. I did, however claim that number is misleading because it only includes those who don't have health insurance. It doesn't make account for those who do not wish it. And to forestall any misunderstandings, I just said that of my circle, 1 in 3 has health insurance...that's 1 person out of every 3. I can point to 12 of us who don't have, and don't want, health insurance. And that we're not alone. |
( OT) McCain in a Landslide !
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:02:53 -0400, Billy Burpelson
wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. Art Harris wrote: Perhaps you are very well off and can write a check for whatever medical expenses you need. Perhaps. Or perhaps you don't expect to have any serious health issues. Right...just like the people that don't bother with a will because they never expect to die. But for most middle-class Americans, a serious illness or injury to themselves or a family member could wipe them out financially if they did not have health insurance. Yes Art, this is quite true. Medical expenses have gone through the roof. I recently had two relatives and a friend requiring medical care, arthroscopic knee surgery, appendectomy and quadruple bypass. The prices for these services ranged from a low of $18,500 to a little over $100,000. $100, 000 for a quad bypass is a good deal! My heart attack and stents were about $78,000; required more stents 16 months later at another $63,000. Also, about $10,000 for a cardiac rehab program and nearly a car payment a month for meds. Now here's where it's kinda interesting. Those are the 'full billing prices' - my insurer, a PPO, has 'negotiated rates' with the providers which are around a third or so of the 'full billing prices.' I believe the premise by the health care provider is that they end up 'settling' on so many bills at an amount less than normal rate that they set up these guaranteed rates to maintain cash flow and not have to take many months or longer in trying to collect payments. Now, without insurance I would be liable for the full amount and have to dicker with the hospital and show that I don't have the means to pay and go to mediation to obtain a lower billing rate. It would've wiped me out. In short, healthcare is a complex issue that cannot be fully and adequately addressed by campaing slogans. Many families (but not all) simply do not have that much money on hand. The ones who do have that much money didn't get that wealthy by being stupid and 'going naked' (without insurance). Excluding the wealthy, the savings rate for this country is a -negative- one or two percent (which is to say, most have -no- savings and are dipping into whatever equity they can scrape up). There may be a few quirky or eccentric individuals that indeed do not want medical insurance, but given their druthers, I think a LARGE portion of people would prefer to have it. I make a good salary, but I wouldn't risk my family's well-being by not having health insurance. Amen...and just speculation, but maybe the other poster doesn't have a family to worry about. |
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On Aug 27, 5:25*pm, wrote:
Burpelson Air Force Base? How I learned to stop worrying,,,,,, I have Physicians Mutual insurance.If I need to go to a hospital I will go to * *www.stdom.com - I don't trust the VA center. - cuhulin Since the US Congress is only Funding ~55% of the true cost of US Veterans Health Care : Cuhulin you are wise not to 'trust' the VA. The US Congress is now funding more Health Care of Illegal Alien Invaders from Mexico then for our US Veterans. There should be a 50% Tax on All Remittances (Cash/Wired) to Mexico to Pay for the Actual Cost of Health Care of Illegal Alien Invaders from Mexico. ~ RHF |
(OT) : Remember Almost 2 Million Americans Go Into Bankruptcy EachYear Due to Medical Expenses.
On Aug 27, 7:20*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:02:53 -0400, Billy Burpelson wrote: D Peter Maus wrote: * *I don't have health insurance. I don't want it. * *I can name 3 of my colleagues who don't have it, either. And don't want it. Art Harris wrote: Perhaps you are very well off and can write a check for whatever medical expenses you need. Perhaps. Or perhaps you don't expect to have any serious health issues. Right...just like the people that don't bother with a will because they never expect to die. But for most middle-class Americans, a serious illness or injury to themselves or a family member could wipe them out financially if they did not have health insurance. Yes Art, this is quite true. Medical expenses have gone through the roof. I recently had two relatives and a friend requiring medical care, arthroscopic knee surgery, appendectomy and quadruple bypass. The prices for these services ranged from a low of $18,500 to a little over $100,000. |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote:
Problem is, many, if not most, who DO have insurance, are STILL in a treatment crisis. *I'm with YOU on the bean counters. *There has to be a way to guarantee medical treatment to the entire population in the greatest country in the world WITHOUT some CPA deciding which treatment you "need".. You are exactly right. When Health Maintenance Organizations (HMOs) came into existence during the Nixon administration, health care took a turn for the worse. Since then, "managed care" with an emphasis on increasing profits by denying treatment to sick patients has been a major problem. I remember talking to my doctor about this several years ago. He admitted that he was under pressure from HMOs not to refer too many patients to specialists, etc. If he didn't toe the line, he could be dropped as a "participating doctor." A government health care system similar to Medicare would reduce costs and guarantee coverage to all citizens. Art Harris |
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Art Harris wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote: Problem is, many, if not most, who DO have insurance, are STILL in a treatment crisis. I'm with YOU on the bean counters. There has to be a way to guarantee medical treatment to the entire population in the greatest country in the world WITHOUT some CPA deciding which treatment you "need". You are exactly right. When Health Maintenance Organizations (HMOs) came into existence during the Nixon administration, health care took a turn for the worse. Since then, "managed care" with an emphasis on increasing profits by denying treatment to sick patients has been a major problem. I remember talking to my doctor about this several years ago. He admitted that he was under pressure from HMOs not to refer too many patients to specialists, etc. If he didn't toe the line, he could be dropped as a "participating doctor." A government health care system similar to Medicare would reduce costs and guarantee coverage to all citizens. Art Harris Thanks for being rational. |
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