IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

On Oct 1, 9:40*pm, "A Browne" wrote:
"Pocket-Radio" wrote in message

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IBOC is the answer to the question that nobody was asking, except for
a few misinformed radio suits.

The question is: *"How do we make more music formats and choices available
for free?"

"How do we make AM stations sound better?"

ANSWER: *IBOC

Persons 12-34 have unplugged from radio, choosing to spend their media

time with ipods, cell phones G4 networks and the net. The 12-34’s have
gone so far to building their own content off the web and sharing
between friends.

Then radio better give them some more choices. *ANSWER: *IBOC

CD’s, ipods, cell phones and memory sticks, laptops
and desktops are their playback devices. And more new devices are just
around the corner!

So, radio better start offerring something different!

ANSWER: *IBOC

The current generation of listeners tuned to radio grew up with AM/FM,

and thus far have been slow to adopt IBOC.

Who said it had to be an overnight hit? *FM Wasn't. *Stereo wan't.

Sales of receivers have

been slow

So what? *Sales of ALL recievers has been slow.

While you'll see new receivers at Best Buy, you'll

also see recievers on the closeout racks of similar retailers.

You'll see AM/FM radio's at closeout too. *Radio's aren't selling...PERIOD.

Yes a small percentage of markets like Boston have stepped out of

their comfort zone to introduce formats, like the Irish Channel. Will
the Irish Channel, playing 24/7 Irish hits deliver ratings?

Who says it has to be a ratings hit? *It doesn't. *It's an ancillary service
that offers added value and choices. (Like a stations web page)

So far

IBOC isn’t on anyone ratings radar.

It doesn't have to be on anyone's radar.

And In my opinion (problem) too

many IBOC stations have chosen to be jukebox formats that we currently
have.

More uninformed dribble.

Stations are playing just music to attract listeners and it’s

not working!

Question: *In research, what is the number one reason people use a radio?

Answer: Music.

Question: *Whats the reason people turn away froma *station?

Answer: *They don't play songs I like.

Answer to both questions: *IBOC

Satellite radio has stepped up to the plate with big time talent,

content and fresh programming ideas. IBOC broadcasters are
experimenting with their jukeboxes.

Satelite radio is almost bankrupt. *They haven't posted a profit yet. *They
have less that .01% of radio listeners.

There stock is about $1 a share.

Radio isn't going to make the same mistakes of spending themselves out of
business.

No ratings equals no money! No money equals no attention. The build it

and they will come thinking hasn’t worked.

Gee, why did they build all those FM stations in the 50's when no one had
any FM radios?

Waiting 10 years is

suicidal thinking,If HD is going to happen it needs to happen soon. ""

WHo says? *Is there a finish line?

What if FM broadcasters used the same defeatest attitude after a couple of
years? *They would have all been off the air by 1962.

I seem to remember a lot of those early FM stations were
simulcasts.....automated....jukeboxes. * *So your logic makes no sense.

IBOC is here to stay. *It's not going anywhere.

Broadcasters like the added functionality.

Comparing the early days of FM to now, has a nice ring, but the media
landscape has changed dramatically since then. Because of the
internet, CD quality, free music is everyplace. Even, flat screen TV
manufactures are going include internet protocols in the sets. But the
two biggest changes are mass media killers.

Within the next 10 years, wireless internet networks like 4G, Wimax,
and wifi will be everyplace and as common as cell phones are today.
And competition will drive prices down. Second, the way people listen
to music has also changed. The days of someone else choosing your play
list are dying. Technology answers the needs of listeners and music
lovers in ways that IBOC cannot. IBOC is traditional radio that sounds
better, and traditional radio is dying slowly.

Last.fm, Pandora, and Accuradio.com are examples ‘listener controlled
radio” and the future, considering the impact of wireless will have on
users.

Radio supporters say “people will always listen to radio” They will,
but the amount of listeners to radio will shrink. People still listen
to albums, but it’s a small niche compared to usage of MP3’s, CD’s,
memory sticks and so on..

The Box that sits on your desk that’s been the driving force to all
the changes we’ve seen is going to shrink to the size of many portable
radio’s today. Maybe even smaller.

IBOC is a short term stopgap to what’s next, broadcasters would be
wiser to focus on internet strategies and addressing the needs of
listeners who live in a technological advanced society. Top down
programming is dead, technology has given listeners
the tools to control what they hear, and what they want, on their
time.

For IBOC to survive it requires addressable receivers. But with a
wireless internet connection why bother. .

A listener attended one our music testing sessions. This person, who
was about 30 years old wrote. “listening to radio is like listening to
your friends Ipod with Commercials”

IBOC obsolete out of the box.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Comparing the early days of FM to now, has a nice ring, but the media
landscape has changed dramatically since then.
Within the next 10 years, wireless internet networks like 4G, Wimax,
and wifi will be everyplace and as common as cell phones are today.


Thats great. Radio will use that technology too.

The days of someone else choosing your play
list are dying.

That is if you see the role of radio to only "pick a playlist".

Radio serves a much larger role.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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Comparing the early days of FM to now, has a nice ring, but the media
landscape has changed dramatically since then.
Within the next 10 years, wireless internet networks like 4G, Wimax,
and wifi will be everyplace and as common as cell phones are today.


Thats great. Radio will use that technology too.

The days of someone else choosing your play
list are dying.

That is if you see the role of radio to only "pick a playlist".

Radio serves a much larger role.

Pray tell, what is that larger role?

True, radio used to have a larger role than just 'entertainment', but that
role has largely been abrogated in these days of large corporate ownership
and downsizing of stations.

Almost no stations carry any form of local, or even network, news anymore.
This is not counting the so-called 'newstalk' stations, which are not
generally actual news outlets, but merely Jerry Springer type entertainment.

Even the few that have news do not have much, if any, local interaction such
as used to be common 20 years ago. If they have any such interaction, it
usually takes the form of flashy promotional events that serve primarily to
make more money for the station.

As has been said before, radio now is basically a jukebox with commercials,
and someone else is picking the records in the jukebox. Worse still, so
many stations are just satellites of a single studio that feeds programming
to various stations (how many hundreds of stations carry the various
Superaudio satellite feeds? How many carry Coast to Coast AM?)

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"A Browne" wrote in message
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Comparing the early days of FM to now, has a nice ring, but the media
landscape has changed dramatically since then.
Within the next 10 years, wireless internet networks like 4G, Wimax,
and wifi will be everyplace and as common as cell phones are today.


Thats great. Radio will use that technology too.

The days of someone else choosing your play
list are dying.

That is if you see the role of radio to only "pick a playlist".

Radio serves a much larger role.

Pray tell, what is that larger role?

Radio, while indeed cutting back, adds the human element. Local
information, local personalities, local commercials on where to buy "back to
school" clothes, local concert information, local weather, traffic, news and
discussion of local issues. local candidates and Election information.

These are all things that one does not get from an Ipod or when burning your
own CD's.

Almost no stations carry any form of local, or even network, news anymore.

This is wrong. Almost ALL station carry some form of local news...even if
it is limited.

As has been said before, radio now is basically a jukebox with
commercials, and someone else is picking the records in the jukebox.

Sorry, that's wrong again.

Worse still, so many stations are just satellites of a single studio that
feeds programming to various stations

Ummmm...where is it you live that this is the only radio you have?

Frostbite Falls, Minnesota?

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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Worse still, so many stations are just satellites of a single studio that
feeds programming to various stations

Ummmm...where is it you live that this is the only radio you have?

Frostbite Falls, Minnesota?



Show of hands, please...

Who recognizes these DJ's from your "local" oldies station?

Ron Foster
Larry King
Lou Warren
Dave Michaels

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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"A Browne" wrote in message
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Worse still, so many stations are just satellites of a single studio
that feeds programming to various stations

Ummmm...where is it you live that this is the only radio you have?

Frostbite Falls, Minnesota?



Show of hands, please...

Who recognizes these DJ's from your "local" oldies station?

Ron Foster
Larry King
Lou Warren
Dave Michaels

Never heard of any of them.

Show of hands...how many people are from Frostbite Falls?

Your idea of radio apparently is shaded by your rural life.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

On Oct 2, 9:49*pm, "A Browne" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

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"A Browne" wrote in message
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Radio serves a much larger role.

Pray tell, what is that larger role?

Radio, while indeed cutting back, adds the human element. *Local
information, local personalities,

Uh? cutting back means cutting real live human people from the pay
roll who provide the local content, news and weather.

I think some stations do a great job with news and local content and
still make money.
While many provide just the bare essentials and sound more like
syndicated repeaters of Rush and Sean, while reaping rewards of cheap
content and profits. And radio isn’t grooming it’s next generation of
stars either. It’s killing them off!

You’ll see more traditional talk news properties on Am moving to
Fm

For anyone left in radio today who think, “ ipods don’t provided news
and content”
simply aren’t seeing the big picture! ipods, zunes, cell phones and
everything frigging thing else will come configured to communicate
with 4G networks, Wimax & Wifi. Wireless high speed networks. And some
devices already can! Auto Manufactures will make access to these
networks as standard equipment.

What’s left for radio is local content, & content worth listening too.
Playing the same hits over and over simply won’t due in a world
wireless and plugged into the world wide web.
Plus the next generation, radio’s future gets this stuff! These young
tikes have been raised on a key boards, cell phones and ipods. And
most can’t even tell you what AM Radio is.

Anyone left in radio today can’t think clearly enough to interpret
facts.
They’re carrying too much baggage to be able to accurately do that.
Many executives have been at their current position too long and are
essentially burned-out. This makes their opinions unreliable. That’s
what’s wrong with many radio people. They’ve been drinking the Kool-
Aid for so long that their brains are dead, drowned on the punch!

The NAB is out of touch and serves their own agenda!

The only hope is stations go dark and real operators come in with
fresh new ideas!

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"Pocket-Radio" wrote in message
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On Oct 2, 9:49 pm, "A Browne" wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

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"A Browne" wrote in message
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Radio serves a much larger role.

Pray tell, what is that larger role?

Radio, while indeed cutting back, adds the human element. Local
information, local personalities,

Uh? cutting back means cutting real live human people from the pay
roll who provide the local content, news and weather.

Cutting back does not mean "cutting out".

Radio knows that the human element is what distinguishes it from XM,
internet streaming and Ipods.

BTW...speaking of "jukeboxes", have you heard most of the XM/Sirius
channels?

For anyone left in radio today who think, “ ipods don’t provided news
and content” simply aren’t seeing the big picture! ipods, zunes, cell
phones and
everything frigging thing else will come configured to communicate
with 4G networks

And radio will utilize those technologies as well!

Wimax & Wifi. Wireless high speed networks. And some
devices already can! Auto Manufactures will make access to these
networks as standard equipment.

And they'll listen to radio this way too.

What’s left for radio is local content, & content worth listening too.
Playing the same hits over and over simply won’t due in a world
wireless and plugged into the world wide web.

You claim that "local content" is key, and "playing the same songs over and
over again" is killing radio.

Then you proclaim that streaming, Ipods and Zunes, Wifi, and Wimax are the
answers....most of which have NO local content....and play the same songs
ove and over again. (BTW...the Same songs over and over again are OK, as
long as they are the the songs that you like!)

And
most can’t even tell you what AM Radio is.

No one should expect them to know AM...there's nothing for them there. No
one expects 18 year olds to listen to AM.....except for maybe sports or a
ball game.

Anyone left in radio today can’t think clearly enough to interpret
facts.

yes, only little "pcoket-radip" understands all the facts clearly....

The only hope is stations go dark and real operators come in with
fresh new ideas!

When 95% of all citizenry listens to the radio in a given week....they are
not going to go "dark".

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Radio, while indeed cutting back, adds the human element. Local
information, local personalities, local commercials on where to buy "back
to
school" clothes, local concert information, local weather, traffic, news
and
discussion of local issues. local candidates and Election information.


OK, but it takes a large number of listeners to generate the revenue to
pay
those people. If the total number of listeners in a market remain the
same,
how many of the new HD channels can be fully staffed?

Like you said previously, FM started out with simulcats, automation and some
network programming.

HD channels are starting out by adding additional music formats to
markets....formats that could not survive on the dial otherwise. Time will
allow them to grow. Expecially if cars start coming with HD stock.

Many markets have lost their Classical outlet....some have lost their Jazz
formats in recent years.

HD has made these formats available in markets (for free)....

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Total radio listening to AM/FM radio isn’t growing it’s shrinking!
The 12-34’s have unplugged from radio, and the growing older boomer
generation is dying.

And if radio is going to stem this tide....they need to offer listeners more
choices.

Thats what HD does.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Note, PPM is the reveling the exclusive cume radio stations thought
they had, isn’t right. It’s doesn’t exist.

With the PPM cumes have gone thru the roof. Showing stations reach many
more people than they thought!

Broadcasters are struggling to provide compelling content for
traditional radio.

Not really. Radio knows how to attract the most listeners in every
market.....usually the top 10 formats are taken, and deliver the most
listeners.

IBOC stations are jukeboxes, while listeners want music, successful
radio stations are built on multiple layers of content, very much like a
cake.

Wrong, in comptetive evrironments, the station that plays the most music
usually wins.

Speaking of jukeboxes, have you heard most of the XM/Sirius sattelite
channels? Are you criticizing them too?

Interesting enough, the 12-34’s like cake too...

Few advertisers want to reach 12-25 year olds...thats why radio doesn't
interest them.

Pocket-radio claims to be an impartial observer...but obviously has an
agenda.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Besides, all those things do have access to news/sports/etc./ad inf.
There
are thousands of free podcasts available online for anyone who wants to
download them.

Find me the podcast that is going to tell you that dangerous thunderstorms
are going to move into the area withint he next 2 hours.

FInd me the podcast that is going to tell you that a hurrican just changed
direction and will hit land soon.

Find me the podcast that tells you that a major road is closed due to
flooding.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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Besides, all those things do have access to news/sports/etc./ad inf.
There
are thousands of free podcasts available online for anyone who wants to
download them.

Find me the podcast that is going to tell you that dangerous thunderstorms
are going to move into the area withint he next 2 hours.


You do realize that most people do not count on broadcast radio for this
information? Many in tornado prone areas, as well as hurricane or flood
prone ones, use NOAA weather receivers for alerts (some counties and
municipalities in Tornado Alley mandate their use!). Most of the rest use
television.

FInd me the podcast that is going to tell you that a hurrican just changed
direction and will hit land soon.

Find me the podcast that tells you that a major road is closed due to
flooding.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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What's left for radio is local content, & content worth listening too.
Playing the same hits over and over simply won't due in a world
wireless and plugged into the world wide web.

You claim that "local content" is key, and "playing the same songs over
and over again" is killing radio.

Then you proclaim that streaming, Ipods and Zunes, Wifi, and Wimax are the
answers....most of which have NO local content....and play the same songs
ove and over again. (BTW...the Same songs over and over again are OK, as
long as they are the the songs that you like!)

iPods and other mp3 players have gigabytes of storage that hold thousands of
tracks. Mine has over 6000 different tracks. My spouse's has over 13,000
different tracks.

The average radio station playlist is less than 400 tracks, many, if not
most, less than 200. I think the "Jack" format has as many as 1000 tracks,
but still plays mostly the same 200 of them. Many internet stations have
huge playlists of many thousands of tracks.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Besides, all those things do have access to news/sports/etc./ad inf.
There
are thousands of free podcasts available online for anyone who wants to
download them.

Find me the podcast that is going to tell you that dangerous
thunderstorms are going to move into the area withint he next 2 hours.

Find me the podcast that is going to tell you that a hurrican just
changed direction and will hit land soon.

Find me the podcast that tells you that a major road is closed due to
flooding.

You do realize that most people do not count on broadcast radio for this
information?

And your information for this is what? What studies can you cite?

The ratio of AM/FM radios to NOAA radios is probably 200+ to 1.

I don't think I know one person who has a NOAA radio.

Most of the rest use television.

You use a television in your car? Nice!

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
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Few advertisers want to reach 12-25 year olds...thats why radio doesn't
interest them.

C'mon, even Eduardo says that the most desired demo is the 18-34. Soft
drink manufacturers and candy makers aim most of their buys directly at the
12-25 age group.

The demos themselves don't give a rat's arse whether advertisers target them
or not, and would rather not hear any commercials at all if they had a
choice (and now, many are excercising that choice)

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

In article ,
"Brenda Ann" wrote:

"A Browne" wrote in message
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Besides, all those things do have access to news/sports/etc./ad inf.
There
are thousands of free podcasts available online for anyone who wants to
download them.

Find me the podcast that is going to tell you that dangerous thunderstorms
are going to move into the area withint he next 2 hours.


You do realize that most people do not count on broadcast radio for this
information? Many in tornado prone areas, as well as hurricane or flood
prone ones, use NOAA weather receivers for alerts (some counties and
municipalities in Tornado Alley mandate their use!). Most of the rest use
television.

FInd me the podcast that is going to tell you that a hurrican just changed
direction and will hit land soon.

Find me the podcast that tells you that a major road is closed due to
flooding.

Don't respond to this guy, he is a complete retard. All he does is post
indefensibly stupid statements and then argue endlessly about them.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

What's left for radio is local content, & content worth listening too.
Playing the same hits over and over simply won't due in a world
wireless and plugged into the world wide web.

You claim that "local content" is key, and "playing the same songs over
and over again" is killing radio.

Then you proclaim that streaming, Ipods and Zunes, Wifi, and Wimax are
the answers....most of which have NO local content....and play the same
songs ove and over again. (BTW...the Same songs over and over again are
OK, as long as they are the the songs that you like!)

iPods and other mp3 players have gigabytes of storage that hold thousands
of tracks. Mine has over 6000 different tracks. My spouse's has over
13,000 different tracks.

The average radio station playlist is less than 400 tracks, many, if not
most, less than 200. I think the "Jack" format has as many as 1000 tracks,

It's like shirts in a lcoset. Most men have a closet full of shirts....but
have 5 or 6 they really wear all the time.

Radio is BROADcasting. You can have 6,000 songs on your ipod that you like.
Not something you can do when you are trying to attract the most listeners
you can...and keep them listening for the longest you can.

Playing the same songs over and over is fine....as long as they are songs
people like.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Few advertisers want to reach 12-25 year olds...thats why radio doesn't
interest them.

C'mon, even Eduardo says that the most desired demo is the 18-34.

Right...18-34....not 12-25.

Soft drink manufacturers and candy makers aim most of their buys directly
at the 12-25 age group.

And there aren't many soft-drink, candy makers and bubble-gum adds to
support this demo.

The demos themselves don't give a rat's arse whether advertisers target
them or not..

Sure it doesn. If no one is trying to attract them as listeners...they are
going to find very few formats that attract them.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Don't respond to this guy, he is a complete retard. All he does is post
indefensibly stupid statements and then argue endlessly about them.

Don't pay any attention to Telamon. He can't hold an argument if his life
depended on it.

He resorts to name calling...when he lacks logic.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

In article ,
A Browne wrote:

What's left for radio is local content, & content worth listening too.
Playing the same hits over and over simply won't due in a world
wireless and plugged into the world wide web.

You claim that "local content" is key, and "playing the same songs over
and over again" is killing radio.

Then you proclaim that streaming, Ipods and Zunes, Wifi, and Wimax are
the answers....most of which have NO local content....and play the same
songs ove and over again. (BTW...the Same songs over and over again are
OK, as long as they are the the songs that you like!)

iPods and other mp3 players have gigabytes of storage that hold thousands
of tracks. Mine has over 6000 different tracks. My spouse's has over
13,000 different tracks.

The average radio station playlist is less than 400 tracks, many, if not
most, less than 200. I think the "Jack" format has as many as 1000 tracks,

It's like shirts in a lcoset. Most men have a closet full of shirts....but
have 5 or 6 they really wear all the time.

Radio is BROADcasting. You can have 6,000 songs on your ipod that you like.
Not something you can do when you are trying to attract the most listeners
you can...and keep them listening for the longest you can.

Playing the same songs over and over is fine....as long as they are songs
people like.

Except that there's been scientific research that describes how
much people like a song depends on how many times they've heard it.
The enjoyment peaks at about the fifth hearing, and that after about
the fifteenth time, it gets to be irritating.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

If 10 million people find HD radio, that doesn't mean 10, million new
listeners.
It means remaining radio listeners will be scattered all over the
radio dial.

Better they stay and be scattered all over the dial....than have them OFF
the dial....turning to satelite radio because they can't find a format that
pleases them.

That's right. Audiences will shrink in the upcoming years, and so will
revenue. There won't be as much money to go around, and the HD channels
will continue to be pretty much useless.

More soothsaying huh?

Didn't they say radio was toast when TV came along and stole all the good
entertainers/entertainment?

What happenned Radio re-invented itself.

Good thing people didn't listen to you back then.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Playing the same songs over and over is fine....as long as they are songs
people like.

Except that there's been scientific research that describes how
much people like a song depends on how many times they've heard it.
The enjoyment peaks at about the fifth hearing, and that after about
the fifteenth time, it gets to be irritating.

Ummm...please cite me that research. I don't know that to be true.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

"Radio Ronn" lq6dpvk02-at-sneakemail.com wrote in message
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If 10 million people find HD radio, that doesn't mean 10, million new
listeners.
It means remaining radio listeners will be scattered all over the
radio dial.

Better they stay and be scattered all over the dial....than have them OFF
the dial....turning to satelite radio because they can't find a format
that
pleases them.

Why is it "better they stay"? If people like satellite radio better than
terresterial radio, what's the problem?

By the way, satellite radio isn't overtaking terresterial radio. I guess
having a hundered channels of second tier programming isn't a compelling
reason to buy another radio, at least for most people.

Oh, well.



That's right. Audiences will shrink in the upcoming years, and so will
revenue. There won't be as much money to go around, and the HD channels
will continue to be pretty much useless.

More soothsaying huh?

It's arguement. Soothsayers think things will happen just because they
think things will happen.



Didn't they say radio was toast when TV came along and stole all the good
entertainers/entertainment?

Radio, as it existed in the 30s and 40s, was toast. Most of the radio stars
and shows went to TV. Radio was becoming neglected by the networks.
However, that neglect, combined with a greatly weakened ASCAP, allowed many
stations to make money by playing recorded music, rather than being largely
programmed from New York.



What happenned Radio re-invented itself.

Good thing people didn't listen to you back then.


Is what I say all that powerful? Holy cats! But for me, it's only opinion
backed up with facts.

But how about you? I'm sure you're convinced IBOC is the wave of the
future. How much have you invested in the networks and ibiquity? Don't
forget you're retirement fund!

Frank Dresser

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

Back to the subject line "IBOC obsolete out of the box" is true. It's
old technology. Worse it is miss applied to the AM band. Even worse is
the analog/digital cohabitation of the band. Technically pure crapola.

Get used to it. It's here to stay. And like FM, like Stereo, etc...it will
get better.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

As a youngster, I was absolutely fascinated by all things radio -
being able to hear stations from all over the US, on a simple pocket
transistor radio, falling asleep to programs from WLS, WBBM, KOA,
etc., was magical to me as an 8 year old. My neighbor introduced me to
shortwave on one of these;

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...xvr/sx130.html

His wife gave the rig to me when he passed away; I still have it,
although it isn't working now. I heard HCJB for my first shortwave
station (who didn't?), and I was hooked.

Over the years, I have owned dozens of radios - scanners, portables,
desktops, you name it. I still have quite a few of them, and I still
get a great deal of enjoyment from the magic of radio. My E1 XM even
got me into satellite radio, and I can't believe it took me so long to
finally try it! I'm hooked on that now, too. As for IBOC, I even
picked up a well-built Sony XDR-S3HD on closeout, just to try it out.
AM is marginal; the HD rarely stays locked for more than a minute...
the FM works well, for the most part, but only because I have an
amplified antenna connected up - otherwise, many stations refuse to
lock on to the HD signal.

I think the main reason that there are any people upset, or
indifferent, to HD radio, is that instead of it being an open,
unencumbered, free, and easily implemented transparent standard, it is
tightly controlled, proprietary, restricted, and prohibitively
expensive, benefiting only one greedy corporation; Ibiquity. If the
transition were more like the one for Digital TV, where converter
boxes were inexpensive, and the government supplied people with $40
vouchers towards the purchase of them, I think the perception would be
drastically different. Instead, Ibiquity came up with a solution to a
problem that didn't exist for most people, and charged up the wazoo
for it... kind of like Microsoft... Windows Vista for Radio!

http://gravitymedium.com/2008/03/17/...ling-hd-radio/

(Sorry, everyone - I shouldn't be taking over Pocket Radio's job! The
article was too good to pass up, though.)

If Ibiquity wasn't so blatantly greedy, and so manipulative with the
press, things might have gone better for them. But I doubt it. At
least the Ibiquity shills will still have plenty of work to do... ;-)

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

On Oct 7, 7:01�pm, "A Browne" wrote:
It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. �So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. �Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. �Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? �No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. �And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. �It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. �puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

On Oct 7, 7:01�pm, "A Browne" wrote:
It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. �So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. �Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. �Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? �No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. �And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. �It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. �puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

On Oct 8, 3:53*pm, KaitoWRX911 wrote:
On Oct 7, 7:01 pm, "A Browne" wrote:





It depends on how soon it is played again. One hour later, month later,
year later makes a big difference. What the radio stations do with short
playlists is pure torture. I turned off FM in my teens and bought my own
records, tapes, and CD's.

There are people who listen to the radio once in a blue moon...and there are
those that would have it on every waking moment.

Neither of these are who radio thinks about when programming. So if you
fall into these two categories, radio is not shedding a tear because you
left.

Radio programs to the masses. Some CHR/Top 40 stations rotate their most
popular songs every 2-1/4 hours....and are very sucessful....such as Z100,
Kiss 108, Kiss-FM, etc. Is it because people WANT to hear the same song
2-1/4 hours later? No, it probably because the same people aren't
listening. And if they are, they'll hear the most popular song(s) a 2nd
time.

(And yes, people complaim about the frequency of songs -those that want to
listen for 18 hours str8....and people complain that they never hear there
favorite songs---those that listen for 5 minutes a day.)

CHR stations are notorius for getting huge cumes. It works.

Quite frankly this is an absolutely stupid argument as everyone knows
what the public wants.

Everyone except the radio stations, right?

Telamon knows more thatthe programmers of the most sucessful stations in the
counrty. puh-leese.

When I was listening to FM long ago a new station
would appear on the dial and was trying to get market share. Well, what
did they do you ask?

1. Few commercials.
2. The commercials they had were read by the DJ's without the annoying
volume changes, sound effects, background music.
3. They played albums not just the one or two most popular tracks. They
didn't always play the entire album but most it.
4. The DJ's played the music they liked.
5. Some of the DJ's were comedians and were fun and interesting.

Market share grew. The station became popular.

Please cite this case...and the timeline...so that you can prove this point.

Back to the subject line "IBOC obsolete out of the box" is true. It's
old technology. Worse it is miss applied to the AM band. Even worse is
the analog/digital cohabitation of the band. Technically pure crapola..

Get used to it. It's here to stay. And like FM, like Stereo, etc...it will
get better.

Technically, there is no way to improve IBOC. IBOC is failing, and it
will eventually disappear.

Windows Vista users are looking for a new fresh appearance for their
computer.
Instead, they got an expensive bloated operating system, that's like
dragging a boat anchor around. And cumbersome security gadgets.

The reason broadcasters bought into IBOC was because of perceived
threats from satellite radio. It's sold as near CD sound quality, and
hundreds of free stations. I think dissatisfied radio listeners may
simply want expanded play list, less repetition. And please stop
playing 10 spots back to back. The sound is ok.

Instead listeners must buy another radio, when their current radios
work. Broadcasters are tinkering with the technology. Some days IBOCS
are running and some days they're not. So far IBOC stations are
simulcasts of existing stations, or mostly vanilla jockless jukeboxes.
Hundreds of new radio stations, maybe if you count all stations across
the country. Research is saying listeners are confused, they think
IBOC and satellite radio are the same.

The government should provide a coupon, or Iniquity should make cheap
converter boxes

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Get used to it. ?It's here to stay. ?And like FM, like Stereo, etc...it
will
get better.

Technically, there is no way to improve IBOC. IBOC is failing, and it
will eventually disappear.

Oh ye of little brains.

Just to point to one choice. The FCC is pondering allowing the increase in
power for IBOC/HD.

Thats, in itself will make it better.

BTW...How id your Atari computer?

Did that get any better?

IBOC obsolete out of the box.
 

Instead listeners must buy another radio, when their current radios
work.

Thats why it will take time for HD to gain traction.

No one expected people to throw out all their radio and buy new ones.

The new ones will start appearing in cars, etc...and will simply replace the
others.

This is why all the naysayers who want to proclaim it dead after 2 years are
wrong.

As was stated here...it brings added functionality to the old technologyu of
broadcasting....and operators like the extra streams.

It's not going anywhere.

So far IBOC stations are
simulcasts of existing stations, or mostly vanilla jockless jukeboxes.

Vanilla Jockless jukeboxes? Sounds just like satellite radio!

anti IBOC ninnies are whiners who live in the past.
 

"More power for HD digital could mean more interference"

Thats always been the argument against any power increases over the years.
Someone always complains about interference.

This time is no different. But more power means more listeners.

anti IBOC ninnies are whiners who live in the past.
 

In article , Dave
wrote:

A Browne wrote:


It will improve, just like your computer improved from the Atari...to
Windows Vista.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Windows Vista is a total piece of ****. It is
a major waste of electricity.

The Brown'tard is a waste of time to read.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

anti IBOC ninnies are whiners who live in the past.
 

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Windows Vista is a total piece of ****. It is
a major waste of electricity.

The Brown'tard is a waste of time to read.

(But yet you continue to do so.)

And Telamon is as stupid as a rock.

It's like talking to a tree stump.

How's living in mom's basement?

anti IBOC ninnies are whiners who live in the past.
 

A Browne wrote:


It will improve, just like your computer improved from the Atari...to
Windows Vista.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Windows Vista is a total piece of ****. It is
a major waste of electricity.


Since you don't see it as an imporvement, would you like to go back to your
Atari computer?

anti IBOC ninnies are whiners who live in the past.
 

"A Browne" wrote in message
...

A Browne wrote:


It will improve, just like your computer improved from the Atari...to
Windows Vista.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Windows Vista is a total piece of ****. It is
a major waste of electricity.


Since you don't see it as an imporvement, would you like to go back to
your Atari computer?

Atari 2600's are still quite popular video toasters, as a matter of fact.

Vista IS a piece of ****. Thousands have reverted to XP from Vista, and MS
has backed off on curtailing support for XP. Computer manufacturers are
supplying copies of XP to end users who are unhappy with Vista (especially
as used in laptops) because it's a resource hog and it's security features
and DRM are royal PITA's.

anti IBOC ninnies are whiners who live in the past.
 

A Browne wrote:
A Browne wrote:

It will improve, just like your computer improved from the Atari...to
Windows Vista.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. Windows Vista is a total piece of ****. It is
a major waste of electricity.


Since you don't see it as an imporvement, would you like to go back to your
Atari computer?



Happily cruising along on Xubuntu 8.04, on my 22 Watt Everex, thank-you
very much.

anti IBOC ninnies are whiners who live in the past.
 

Radio Ronn wrote:
Atari 2600's are still quite popular video toasters, as a matter of fact.

Vista IS a piece of ****. Thousands have reverted to XP from Vista, and MS
has backed off on curtailing support for XP. Computer manufacturers are
supplying copies of XP to end users who are unhappy with Vista (especially
as used in laptops) because it's a resource hog and it's security features
and DRM are royal PITA's.


I think the time has passed where manufacturers can evenput XP on a computer
anymore...unless it's a small local shop.

Dell, HP, Gateway and others, thru their MS agreement are not offerring PC's
with XP...even if you ask especially for it.



Many quietly provide an after-purchase path to"upgrade" back to XP.
Vista is a disaster. Microsoft eats a big **** sandwich. Linux is free.