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Bogus ibiquity and the infinite spin master Struble
Whatever happened to low power hd radios that were just on the horizon
according to ibiquity? Every year we hear the same thing and as usual nothing materializes. How long will this nonsense continue? At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. What’s up with that Mr. "Radio Pioneer" Struble? Eduardo - Any comment? |
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On Feb 16, 10:05*am, wrote:
Whatever happened to low power hd radios that were just on the horizon according to ibiquity? *Every year we hear the same thing and as usual nothing materializes. *How long will this nonsense continue? At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. What’s up with that Mr. "Radio Pioneer" Struble? Eduardo - Any comment? I'm still waiting for the $19.99 HD portable radio. My $9.99 clock radio still works and sounds great.. LMAO.. |
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On Feb 16, 12:25 pm, elaich wrote:
wrote in news:bce3bccb-de13-419e-9cd6- : Whatever happened to low power hd radios that were just on the horizon according to ibiquity? Every year we hear the same thing and as usual nothing materializes. How long will this nonsense continue? Why do you keep posting this crap in this newsgroup that is completely off topic, and that most people are sick and tired of seeing? Another Google Grouper hits the killfile. Well elaich, I like to hear from guys like you. |
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On Feb 16, 12:55 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
elaich wrote: Another Google Grouper hits the killfile. http://improve-usenet.org/ -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Google Groups are FREE $$$ |
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On Feb 16, 10:05*am, wrote:
Whatever happened to low power hd radios that were just on the horizon according to ibiquity? *Every year we hear the same thing and as usual nothing materializes. *How long will this nonsense continue? At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. What’s up with that Mr. "Radio Pioneer" Struble? Eduardo - Any comment? Jim - haven't heard from you in a while, hope everything is ok? |
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On Feb 16, 12:25�pm, elaich wrote:
wrote in news:bce3bccb-de13-419e-9cd6- : Whatever happened to low power hd radios that were just on the horizon according to ibiquity? �Every year we hear the same thing and as usual nothing materializes. �How long will this nonsense continue? Why do you keep posting this crap in this newsgroup that is completely off topic, and that most people are sick and tired of seeing? Another Google Grouper hits the killfile. **** you... |
Bogus ibiquity and the infinite spin master Struble
wrote in message ... At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. |
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On Feb 17, 1:39*am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition).. There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. What advantage do broadcasters have over webcasters? Towers. Nationwide wireless web access is on our horizon, with consumers receiving content via paid or free access supported by advertisers. Every radio will be web enabled. So get ready for URADIO created in many forms and colors. One form will be commercial broadcasters, competing head on with a guy or gal creating basement content. Google that! |
Bogus ibiquity and the infinite spin master Struble
On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. Eduardo - You're a bit mistaken, at least as far as ibiquity is concerned. If I recall (and I do), Struble boldly stated several years back that his hd radio would become the "norm" in a few short years. Go back through recent radio history and check it for yourself. In case you haven't noticed - a few short years have come and gone - good buddy. He also stated that when you purchase a radio you would automatically assume you purchased an hd "digital" radio. Didn't happen - not even close. Once again you look at the world in your typical distorted way but it's always fun talking to you anyway. You do need to get another profession thought. |
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On Feb 17, 12:19 am, PocketRadio wrote:
On Feb 16, 10:05 am, wrote: Whatever happened to low power hd radios that were just on the horizon according to ibiquity? Every year we hear the same thing and as usual nothing materializes. How long will this nonsense continue? At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. What’s up with that Mr. "Radio Pioneer" Struble? Eduardo - Any comment? Jim - haven't heard from you in a while, hope everything is ok? Yea - I'm fine. Thanks for asking. Looks like ibiquity is struggling for some good news so they're going through the archives dredging up old stuff to try and keep hd alive. HD inclusion in Jaguar won’t even move the “who cares” dial. |
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PocketRadio wrote in news:94c9b37f-b748-49a9-ab56-
: Another Google Grouper hits the killfile. **** you... And another. |
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On Feb 17, 1:39�am, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition).. There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. You know damn well that conversions to HD have stalled, and that broadcasters will not put anymore resources in HD, especially during the recession. Forget the 10db FM-HD power increase. FM-HD and AM-HD is being turned off in D.C., and probably elsewhere. Stations will get tired of the excessive HVAC bills and fees to iBiquity, with no possible ROI, except for iBiquity. |
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On Feb 17, 9:31�am, wrote:
On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message .... At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. Eduardo - You're a bit mistaken, at least as far as ibiquity is concerned. �If I recall (and I do), Struble boldly stated several years back that his hd radio would become the "norm" in a few short years. �Go back through recent radio history and check it for yourself. In case you haven't noticed - a few short years have come and gone - good buddy. He also stated that when you purchase a radio you would automatically assume you purchased an hd "digital" radio. �Didn't happen - not even close. Once again you look at the world in your typical distorted way but it's always fun talking to you anyway. �You do need to get another profession thought.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The major retailers are no longer stocking HD radio in-store, and RS have given up on HD altogether. Yea, Struble made that announcement years ago: "A consortium of broadcasters, including Clear Channel, CBS Radio (CBS), and Cox Radio (CXR), organized the HD Digital Radio Alliance to coordinate marketing efforts. In five to seven years, says Struble, you won't walk into an electronics store and ask to buy an HD Radio. Simply ask for a radio, he says, and you'll get one with HD capabilities already built in." http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...525_027388.htm Oh realy, Struble? |
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On Feb 17, 9:46�am, elaich wrote:
PocketRadio wrote in news:94c9b37f-b748-49a9-ab56- : Another Google Grouper hits the killfile. **** you... And another. Bend over! |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:39:36 -0800, David Eduardo wrote:
FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. What do you mean "There were no radios available"? As I understand, there were almost a million radios made for the old 47 Mc FM band. Every major manufacturer made radios for the postwar 100 Mc band. FM did stumble after it's introduction, but it's NOT because the radios were unavailable. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. I have the impression that 50s AM-FM tabletop radios cost about double what AM tabletops did. As an example, here's a page scanned from the 1955 Spiegel catalog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wishboo...7594263507076/ That doesn't cost many times more than the cheapest radio on the page, but it was an expensive way to listen to simulcasts and second tier programming. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Is the recession the problem? Or is the problem that HD radio really doesn't add much value to radio regardless of the state of the economy? Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. Yeah, it's tough to get the cheap radio consumers to pay enough for radio, even when it's digital. Frank Dresser |
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On Feb 17, 2:49*pm, Frank wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:39:36 -0800, David Eduardo wrote: FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. What do you mean "There were no radios available"? *As I understand, there were almost a million radios made for the old 47 Mc FM band. *Every major manufacturer made radios for the postwar 100 Mc band. FM did stumble after it's introduction, but it's NOT because the radios were unavailable. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. I have the impression that 50s AM-FM tabletop radios cost about double what AM tabletops did. *As an example, here's a page scanned from the 1955 Spiegel catalog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wishboo...72157594263507... That doesn't cost many times more than the cheapest radio on the page, but it was an expensive way to listen to simulcasts and second tier programming. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Is the recession the problem? *Or is the problem that HD radio really doesn't add much value to radio regardless of the state of the economy? Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. Yeah, it's tough to get the cheap radio consumers to pay enough for radio, even when it's digital. Frank Dresser In 1960 we didn't have computers, the Internet, cell phones ipods CD's or MP3's. cable tv or satradio And consumers had a few media choices. Today we suffer from media glut, over choice and time scarcity. Broadcasters were at a loss with FM, I'm told they use to call it free music. FM was DOA until rock listeners discovered FM as an alternative source for music. Owners and programmers stopped following the playlist, started taking chances and thinking out of the box. One could draw some similarities between FM in 1960 & HD today were HD broadcasters lack programming direction. As mentioned above today we suffer from media glut & over choice. I'm afraid cloned jukeboxes or syndicated repeaters won't be enough to launch HD above start up status and if broadcasters aren't careful following this same strategy may very well kill AM & FM radio. Plus more media/entertainment choices are on the horizon. Radio competes for Time spent listening with computers, the Internet, cell phones ipods CD's or MP3's. cable tv, satradio & webradio. |
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"Frank" wrote in message ... I have the impression that 50s AM-FM tabletop radios cost about double what AM tabletops did. As an example, here's a page scanned from the 1955 Spiegel catalog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wishboo...7594263507076/ That doesn't cost many times more than the cheapest radio on the page, but it was an expensive way to listen to simulcasts and second tier programming. I note that the only "AM/FM" radio shown on that page is not what the description indicates. It is a Granco FM only radio in the actual picture. |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. Eduardo - You're a bit mistaken, at least as far as ibiquity is concerned. If I recall (and I do), Struble boldly stated several years back that his hd radio would become the "norm" in a few short years. Go back through recent radio history and check it for yourself. Nobody counted on a recession that started over a year ago. Everything slowed down, particularly the new car market which is nearly dead. Nobody ever expected Toyota to report a huge loss, either. In case you haven't noticed - a few short years have come and gone - good buddy. No, from the time HD was launched, its not even 3 years. also stated that when you purchase a radio you would automatically assume you purchased an hd "digital" radio. Didn't happen - not even close. And in these times, it won't. Once again you look at the world in your typical distorted way but it's always fun talking to you anyway. You do need to get another profession thought. Nah, I'm fine in the one I am in... |
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"Commander Col. Klink" wrote in message ... On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message Nationwide wireless web access is on our horizon, with consumers receiving content via paid or free access supported by advertisers. Every radio will be web enabled. So get ready for URADIO created in many forms and colors. One form will be commercial broadcasters, competing head on with a guy or gal creating basement content. Google that! It will take a decade just to replace half of the cars on the road in the US... nearly 20 years to replace them all. Similarly, there are a total of 700 million to 1 billion total radios in the US. It will take some time for them all to be replaced. And WiMax, in this economy, is several years away from rolling out. The infrastructure will cost hundreds of billions, if it is built. |
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On Feb 17, 9:26�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. Eduardo - You're a bit mistaken, at least as far as ibiquity is concerned. �If I recall (and I do), Struble boldly stated several years back that his hd radio would become the "norm" in a few short years. �Go back through recent radio history and check it for yourself. Nobody counted on a recession that started over a year ago. Everything slowed down, particularly the new car market which is nearly dead. Nobody ever expected Toyota to report a huge loss, either. In case you haven't noticed - a few short years have come and gone - good buddy. No, from the time HD was launched, its not even 3 years. also stated that when you purchase a radio you would automatically assume you purchased an hd "digital" radio. �Didn't happen - not even close. And in these times, it won't. Once again you look at the world in your typical distorted way but it's always fun talking to you anyway. �You do need to get another profession thought. Nah, I'm fine in the one I am in... "Nobody counted on a recession that started over a year ago. Everything slowed down, particularly the new car market which is nearly dead. Nobody ever expected Toyota to report a huge loss, either." Did you cont on zero consumer interest in HD Radio? |
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On Feb 16, 10:39*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
wrote in message ... At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition).. There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. - Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly - $1 billion a year and may not survive. Point-of-Fact : There is Not One Dollar in the Great Obama Stimulus {Porkulus} Bill for Satellite Radio. |
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On Feb 17, 6:29*am, "Commander Col. Klink"
wrote: On Feb 17, 1:39*am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message .... At least when FM came on the scene there were plenty of FM radios to choose from - so that old and tired comparison from ibquity is meaningless. FM began prior to W.W. II, and then changed from 47 MHz to the current band after the War. There were no radios available. By 1950, there were over 1000 FM stations licensed (source, Broadcasting Yearbook 1950) yet by 1960 there were only around 650 (idem, '60 edition). There were hardly any radios available, and the ones that were out there cost many times that of a common AM radio. That was 20 years after FM stations began to broadcast. In 1977, FM surpassed AM in audience. Today, in many markets, AM has less than 10% of all listening. Whether HD will work during a recession is anybody's guess. And whether AM is even worth trying is on many owner's minds. But expecting a change in a couple of years is absurd. Satellite is in Year 9 now, and still loses nearly $1 billion a year and may not survive. What advantage do broadcasters have over webcasters? Towers. Nationwide wireless web access is on our horizon, with consumers receiving content via paid or free access supported by advertisers. Every radio will be web enabled. - So get ready for URADIO created in many - forms and colors. - One form will be commercial broadcasters, - competing head on with a guy or gal creating - basement content. Google that! ? U-Radio ? {URADIO} http://www.google.com/search?site=&hl=en&q=uradio http://www.ummahradio.com/ |
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On Feb 17, 9:28*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"Commander Col. Klink" wrote in ... On Feb 17, 1:39 am, "David Eduardo" wrote: wrote in message Nationwide wireless web access is on our horizon, with consumers receiving content via paid or free access supported by advertisers. Every radio will be web enabled. So get ready for URADIO created in many forms and colors. One form will be commercial broadcasters, competing head on with a guy or gal creating basement content. Google that! It will take a decade just to replace half of the cars on the road in the US... nearly 20 years to replace them all. Similarly, there are a total of 700 million to 1 billion total radios in the US. It will take some time for them all to be replaced. And WiMax, in this economy, is several years away from rolling out. The infrastructure will cost hundreds of billions, if it is built. Automakers who're left have been planning on internet enabled cars for years. Some have made it as a factory option now, using wifi & g-max services from Clear Wire & AT&T. They've been slow to adopt HD. Compared to Ipods, consumers have shown no interest. The ones who've paid money for HD receivers complain, or return them. There's been more than one automotive service bulletin regarding HD. What's missing from wireless web, is consistent coverage, with analog TV stations making the switch to digital, that frees up white space, spectrum to be auctioned off to wireless internet providers for the purpose of building nationwide networks. The economy has hurt some industries, but given the opportunity and huge potential, this concept won't sit idle for long. Unlike when FM was first started, HD doesn't have 10 or 20 years to evolve, simply because other technologies will supersede it. The era of listening to a strangers playlist is coming to a close. It might take 5 or 10 years. Nationwide wireless access is BIG, it will touch more industries other than radio. They'll be unlimited opportunities for cell phones providers, homes phones, television and more, it's endless. And everything will be connected, including Ipods and even your iron. Unlike the old dogs, Mcsame and Bush, Obama get's technology and understands the internet. He also believes perhaps Rush & Sean Hannity posses to much power. Don't you think the new FCC chairman will have an agenda to complete beyond the fairness doctrine? Obama might even provide taxpayer funding.. Nationwide wireless internet is coming, maybe sooner than we know and every car will be connected. Radio has we know it still has a good run, but within your lifetime towers will be less important. While vertical tower revenues will be more important than ever before.. |
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