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On Apr 9, 10:23*pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Bushcraftgregg" wrote in message

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LOL...that was funny Frank. I think I would rather do without electric
than being barbecued. I remember growing up I always thought (like
many kids I would guess) that a nuclear bomb being dropped and that
would be all she wrote.

That is far from the truth, now if you lived at grown zero or 20-30
miles it could make for a good movie. My hope would be that there
would be enough of a warning that even if one was headed to my town
that I'd have enough of a jump on it to get the heck out of there.
Hope it never happens in my lifetime, but I feel I am as prepared as
one could be.

The trip time for an ICBM from Europe/middle east to the US is between 15
and 30 minutes. *I doubt the government would bother to warn the public
about it since all it would do is cause panic and likely end up costing more
lives than just letting it be. You wouldn't have time to leave a city of any
size, let alone get out of the blast zone of an air burst nuke.

About all there would be to do is pray.

I'll add this B.A. - I wonder how hard it would be for the gubiment to
keep it a secret. Something of that nature, I don't know. It would be
really super easy or super hard to keep it quiet IMO.

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On Apr 9, 11:02*pm, dave wrote:
Bushcraftgregg wrote:
On Apr 9, 8:11 pm, dave wrote:
Frank Dresser wrote:
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 02:55:53 -0700, BCBlazysusan wrote:
[snip]
One to three missiles tipped with nuclear weapons and armed to detonate
at a high altitude — to achieve the strongest EMP over the greatest area
of the United States — would create an EMP “overlay” that triggers a
continent-wide collapse of our entire electrical, transportation, and
communications infrastructure.
[snip]
Wow. *This speculated damage would be so much worse than the more certain
threat of nuclear truck bomb attack in a major city. *Yeah, why should
the bad guys settle for the sure thing devastation of hundreds of
thousands of casualties and the consequent economic damage when they
could gamble their meager nuclear arsenal in go-for-broke attack 100
miles over our heads?
[snip]
Some studies estimate that 90 percent of all Americans might very well
die in the year after such an attack as our transportation, food
distribution, communications, public safety, law enforcement, and
medical infrastructures collapse.
Or, as Br'er Rabbit said:
"Getting barbecued is a whole lot better than getting thrown in the briar
patch."
Frank Dresser
I don't think EMP is as big a deal as it used to be. *There is very
little capture area inside modern electronics.

The bad guys do not have nuclear bombs, let alone missiles.- Hide quoted text -

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I hope you're Dave and if I had to pick, I'd more than likely choose
the side that the truth lies somewhere in the middle. But I'd kick
myself if I knew there was a possibility of a bad scenario going down
and then just simply chose to echo Bob or simply say that it isn't
going to happen. It sure as heck can't hurt to be somewhat prepared is
how I look at it.

I have never lost a night of sleep over it but it sure sounds like Bob
has, I mean, according to him.....it is a "Doomsday
Scenario."snicker

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If your response was to me Dave, make no mistake about it, I know it
wouldn't be easy. Far from it.

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On Apr 10, 8:38*pm, "Dave Holford" wrote:
"Bushcraftgregg" wrote in message

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On Apr 9, 2:40 pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:





BC Blazy susan wrote:
By: Newt Gingrich and William Forstchen

Now those are a couple of credible scientific references
aren't they. ;-)

Ya know Blazy,
your grasping for sensationalism represents a fundamental flaw in the
large brained primates we've evolved into, that being a yearning to fill
that space with 'something', however implausible, and with rational
analysis requiring too much effort, it's way more expedient to go for
the glitz and glamor of some far fetched doomsday scenario.
Maybe that's' why there are so many fundamentalist religionists
hell bent on suicidal campaigns of self destruction.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

I'll add, strange to me that you would call that a "doomsday
scenario." Say worse case scenario and it would go down exactly like
the "ones in the know" or the "experts" say....not like Expert Echo
Charlie says.;-)

You think that is a doomsday scenario? Maybe it would be if you
weren't prepared. I have a 74 Pontiac Ventura, my first car, that
wouldn't be impacted by an EMP blast....if indeed it would affect
everything solid state like the "experts" say. So, I would still be
cruising while the SUV's and Hummers and Land Rovers etc. etc. would
be sitting in their driveway. I'd rather it not be my every day car,
but in that situation, no problemo here.

I'd still have four receivers that would not be impacted. I Have more
than enough food and more than enough water and the skills to handle
the food and water if I were to use up all my supplies (which I
doubt). I take it odd that you call that a doomsday scenario, maybe
for the ones that call it far fetched....lol....they would crap their
panties. ;-)

Back in the 70s I remember ads for EMP protected HF antennas in the
professional literature.

Twenty years ago I had a pair of solid-state EMP protected surplus RACAL HF
receivers rated for 5,000volts at the antenna input.

More recently I have been involved in developing Air Traffic Control systems
which were totally solid-state and EMP protected - one system survived two
direct lightning strikes that I witnessed.

And, I had the opportunity to tour a current generation warship a couple of
years ago and was struck by the EMP protection evident throughout the
vessel.

Solid state electronics and high energy pulse protection has come a long way
in the last half century.

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Good post Dave.

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Bushcraftgregg wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:23 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Bushcraftgregg" wrote in message

...
LOL...that was funny Frank. I think I would rather do without electric
than being barbecued. I remember growing up I always thought (like
many kids I would guess) that a nuclear bomb being dropped and that
would be all she wrote.

That is far from the truth, now if you lived at grown zero or 20-30
miles it could make for a good movie. My hope would be that there
would be enough of a warning that even if one was headed to my town
that I'd have enough of a jump on it to get the heck out of there.
Hope it never happens in my lifetime, but I feel I am as prepared as
one could be.

The trip time for an ICBM from Europe/middle east to the US is between 15
and 30 minutes. I doubt the government would bother to warn the public
about it since all it would do is cause panic and likely end up costing more
lives than just letting it be. You wouldn't have time to leave a city of any
size, let alone get out of the blast zone of an air burst nuke.

About all there would be to do is pray.

That's what I've often wondered Brenda Ann, is if they would even let
the people know. Out where I live, if the bomb was coming from the
east, I along with not many that live here in the village, would make
a bee line out to the state route that is a longgggg and I mean long
stretch of road (over a hundred+ miles). No curves, no hills, nothing.
In that scenario I would imagine anyone "in the knows" of what was
going to happen would be driving just about as fast as they could.

I know I could definitely cruise to at least a mile and a half per
minute, which if I had thirty minutes would give me and others quite a
good chance, real good chance.....and that is if the bomb literally
landed right smack on top of my village. If the bomb literally landed
on Cincinnati I feel I would be safe because Cincy is roughly 30-35
miles of me, a little drive down the road should keep me out of
danger.I just hope it never happens. ;-)


All depends on which direction the winds blows ....

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"Bushcraftgregg" wrote in message
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On Apr 9, 10:23 pm, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Bushcraftgregg" wrote in message

...
LOL...that was funny Frank. I think I would rather do without electric
than being barbecued. I remember growing up I always thought (like
many kids I would guess) that a nuclear bomb being dropped and that
would be all she wrote.

That is far from the truth, now if you lived at grown zero or 20-30
miles it could make for a good movie. My hope would be that there
would be enough of a warning that even if one was headed to my town
that I'd have enough of a jump on it to get the heck out of there.
Hope it never happens in my lifetime, but I feel I am as prepared as
one could be.

The trip time for an ICBM from Europe/middle east to the US is between 15
and 30 minutes. I doubt the government would bother to warn the public
about it since all it would do is cause panic and likely end up costing
more
lives than just letting it be. You wouldn't have time to leave a city of
any
size, let alone get out of the blast zone of an air burst nuke.

About all there would be to do is pray.

I'll add this B.A. - I wonder how hard it would be for the gubiment to
keep it a secret. Something of that nature, I don't know. It would be
really super easy or super hard to keep it quiet IMO.

1) it's pretty easy to keep a secret for half an hour

2) remember, you would not be the only one trying to run, and people get
very sloppy at 90 MPH.

3) Living outside a large city is no guarantee you're not ground zero..
there are plenty of targets in rural areas, too.

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"Bob Dobbs" wrote in message
news:49e044c1.3393062@chupacabra...
Brenda Ann wrote:

3) Living outside a large city is no guarantee you're not ground zero..
there are plenty of targets in rural areas, too.

Depending on the sophistication of the attacking party,
the area of danger could be quite unpredictable.
Someone said the safest place to be if the DPRK attacks
is wherever they're aiming. g

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

We have a standing joke about that over here. We tend to make light of his
pitiful firecracker nukes.. if one made it to Alaska, it might possibly melt
an igloo... :)

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Couple or three something years ago, I read an article on the net about
what would happen if an EMP went off way up in the air somewhere over
Texas, I think the article said Brownsville,Texas.I will see can I find
that article again.I probally emailed that article to myself, but I have
thousands of articles in all six of my different WebTV user names
thingys that I emailed to myself over the last ten years or so.It will
be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
cuhulin
.................................................. ......
Did you ever check your condition to see what kind of condition your
condition is in?
.................................................. ......

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In article 49e044c1.3393062@chupacabra,
Bob Dobbs wrote:

Brenda Ann wrote:

3) Living outside a large city is no guarantee you're not ground zero..
there are plenty of targets in rural areas, too.

Depending on the sophistication of the attacking party,
the area of danger could be quite unpredictable.
Someone said the safest place to be if the DPRK attacks
is wherever they're aiming. g

That's good one.

I've worked in the mil electronics industry for a long time and most of
it has to pass extensive ESD, lightning, EMP testing. Any signifiant
distance from the blast zone this equipment will survive.

Same for your radios that are not plugged into either the AC mains or
antenna. Radios connected at the time to large SW antennas may not make
it. If the radio is sitting on a shelf, has a metal case and is not
connected to wiring of any sort it will survive no problem. Chances are
radios with a plastic case sitting on a shelf not connected to anything
will also survive.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:58:57 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

Back in the mid-80's a debate team from Georgia State, in Atlanta,
spent an entire year researching debate arguments by thoroughly
combing the EMP literature. They had some interesting evidence that
one nuclear blast 100 miles above the surface of the US would
effectively disarm the entire US nuclear force by taking out
electronic components in both missile guidance systems and in the
electronics of the detonation systems. They ran a case arguing for the
unilateral nuclear disarmament of the US by deliberate air bursting a
nuke weapon. They also had evidence that US scientists have considered
the possibility of EMP air-bursts to prevent incoming nuclear weapons
(from the Soviet Union) from detonating when targeted at the US.
Supposedly much of the research on this is classified.

They were pretty successful with the case until other teams were able
to find evidence that both US and Soviet tactical planners had planned
for the possibility of EMP-led disarmament by maintaining small fleets
of nuclear-tipped ICBMs that had no solid state electronics in them.
At least through the mid-80's, both the US and Soviet Union maintained
small missile fleets that used vacuum tubes, which are much less
susceptible to EMP degradation. So, potentially, EMP could prevent
Doomsday.

In the late 70's and early 80's, the US conducted much testing of subs
pulling devices that produced an EMP without nuclear blasts. Though
the reseach effort has been documented and confirmed, the results
remain classified today.

Interesting topic, but I wonder why LazySuzy never posts about
shortwave.

Mike
Louisville, KY

EMP can be produced with a charge to push a permanent magnet through
the field of an electromagnetic coil of opposite polarity. I think
this was reviewed by the Australian defense consultant Carlo Kopp,
I'll look for the site. It's also been found to occur when permanent
magnets are shattered by explosives. In fact, DOD is looking into
adding an EMP component to ordnance as small as individual cluster
bombs.

TL

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On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:16:31 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Michael W. Bryant, the imbecile who once claimed to have a PhD, wrote:

Back in the mid-80's a debate team from Georgia State, in Atlanta,
spent an entire year researching debate arguments by thoroughly
combing the EMP literature.

That was far better than a debate team from Weber State, led by you, a PhDufus,
getting busted for smoking pot, wasn't it?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

And, as always, don't let your children attend Louisville Technical Institute.
They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who knows,
there may be more dufi there.


And how is this relevant to the discussion?

The correct usage is Ph.D., BTW.

TL