On May 3, 10:04*pm, wrote:
The reactionary left has descended upon waterboarding as its new case
study in why conservatives are diabolical and without conscience. *The
sad reality is that conservatives are reacting in the rather
conventional manner of going on the defensive. *Conservatives need to
fight back more vigorously against this community now willing to name
even Harry Truman as a war criminal alongside President Bush,
Condoleeza Rice, Vice President Cheney, and so many more good
citizens.


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The fact is you repugs used and supported torture. The same torture
we put Japanese in jail for.

Hypocrites.

Sigh, how pathetic.

As usual, trying to justify torture by what some barbarians do in
other countries.
First, it's well-established that torture took place. It is also well-
established that the US military ruled dozens of deaths in Bagram as
homicides. There is no disputing these easily-accessed facts from
their direct sources.

It is also well-established that the US prosecuted and punished
Japanese military leaders and soldiers for torture for waterboarding
our soldiers during World War II. It's also well-established that
waterboarding is, as a matter of law, torture, despite some pathetic
attempts to re-define the law which hold no legal weight or authority
and violate prior treaty obligations such as the Geneva Convention.

Moreover, and perhaps most damning, torture is worthless for gaining
intelligence. Even the Nazis stopped doing it because it generates so
much false intelligence. It's simply a fact that torture is primarily
useful for extracting false confessions (which were gotten by the
thousands as many "witches" confessed to their "witchcraft" during the
Inquisition.) The tortured person simply tells the interrogator what
he thinks they want to hear based on the line of questioning, to make
it stop.

In fact, torture was used extensively to "prove" that Iraq had WMDs
that they didn't have. The faulty intelligence gathered this was was
at best misleading and at worst deliberate propaganda to sell an war
for political reasons.

At any rate, only a creep would defend US behavior at Abu Grahib or
Bagram. Only an un-American with no clue what our values are.

On May 3, 7:04*pm, wrote:

There were no debates in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or dozens of
other countries where torture actually does take place. *In sharp
contrast, the torture enjoyed by families such as the Hussein family
of Iraq, was a matter of pure impulsive indulgence and spectacle.
There was little or no notion of protecting a public sphere in Iraq.
The heads of Iraqi victims were regularly posted outside the homes of
victim's families after these spectacles were complete.

There was no debate here either. The perps hid behind secrecy and did
their level best to prevent we, the people, from ever learning about
the torture (in at least one comprehensively documented case, totally
innocent person tortured to death by the US.) Lying creeps Cheney
and Bush, Rumsfeldt, et. al. painted the embarassing actions at Abu
Grahib as the actions of a few "bad apples", and let them go to prison
for following their Administration's orders. What can you say about
these dishonorable men except they are liars and criminals?

As far as "they did it!" as a defense for committing a crime, that's
just childish. To follow Obamasux's idiotic logic, if radical
religious nuts cut off the head of an American, then we ought to start
capturing civilians and killing them too.
I'm sure the next step is "Well, the Nazis did it, so we can too."
Bleh. What a childish morally deficient idiot this Obamasux is.