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(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
On May 7, 6:45*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
Again MWB Here Is The Question : Would "You" {Dave} Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? MWB as for "Me" RHF that Answer is Simple "YES" I Would & 'Yes' I Could & 'Yes' I Will [.] because after all - i am only human and they are my family and loved ones ~ RHF *. RHF, Yes, I'd torture to save my own family. But, I'd be committing a crime and would expect to face prosecution. It would be worth it to save my family, but I know I'd be committing a crime. Mike |
(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force?
Michael W. Bryant, LTI's prize dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, wrote: On May 7, 6:45 pm, "~ RHF" wrote: Again MWB Here Is The Question : Would "You" {Dave} Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? MWB as for "Me" RHF that Answer is Simple "YES" I Would & 'Yes' I Could & 'Yes' I Will [.] because after all - i am only human and they are my family and loved ones ~ RHF . RHF, Yes, I'd torture to save my own family. But, I'd be committing a crime and would expect to face prosecution. It would be worth it to save my family, but I know I'd be committing a crime. So? You've already been busted for smoking pot with your students and also once claimed to have a PhD. After that, what's one more crime, dufus? dxAce Michigan USA And, as always, don't let your children attend Louisville Technical Institute. They've hired at least one dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, and who knows, there may be more dufi there. |
(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Infothat Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.
~ RHF wrote:
. . - Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. You have the floor. "CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.” http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...yay_tortu re/ - By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every thing? NO I DID NOT ! :o) ~ RHF . 22 Apr 2009 08:47 am Thiessen's LA Tower Canard We will not know for sure how much garbage or non-garbage the CIA gleaned from torturing captives until a Truth Commission sorts it all out, but we do have a great deal of evidence that torturing KSM was, pace Thiessen, not responsible for foiling the LA Tower plot. As Tim Noah notes, there is a matter of chronology: In a White House press briefing, Bush's counterterrorism chief, Frances Fragos Townsend, told reporters that the cell leader was arrested in February 2002, and "at that point, the other members of the cell" (later arrested) "believed that the West Coast plot has been canceled, was not going forward" [italics mine]. A subsequent fact sheet released by the Bush White House states, "In 2002, we broke up [italics mine] a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast." These two statements make clear that however far the plot to attack the Library Tower ever got—an unnamed senior FBI official would later tell the Los Angeles Times that Bush's characterization of it as a "disrupted plot" was "ludicrous"—that plot was foiled in 2002. But Sheikh Mohammed wasn't captured until March 2003. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...er-canard.html |
(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
dxAce wrote:
Michael W. Bryant, LTI's prize dufus who once claimed to have a PhD, wrote: On May 7, 6:45 pm, "~ RHF" wrote: Again MWB Here Is The Question : Would "You" {Dave} Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? MWB as for "Me" RHF that Answer is Simple "YES" I Would & 'Yes' I Could & 'Yes' I Will [.] because after all - i am only human and they are my family and loved ones ~ RHF . RHF, Yes, I'd torture to save my own family. But, I'd be committing a crime and would expect to face prosecution. It would be worth it to save my family, but I know I'd be committing a crime. So? You've already been busted for smoking pot with your students and also once claimed to have a PhD. After that, what's one more crime, dufus? dxAce Michigan USA Ace, there's nothing wrong with smoking marijuana with consenting adults. |
(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
On May 7, 6:45*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 10:26*am, Mike wrote: On May 7, 8:58*am, "~ RHF" wrote: On May 7, 5:38*am, Gary Forbis wrote: On May 7, 4:15*am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n- Dog..com wrote: John Barnard wrote: ~ RHF wrote: On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis wrote: On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote: Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm? If so then do you have any family and loved ones? One stupid hypothetical deserves another. Are your blinders *of your own making? - Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family? - - You beat me to it. RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You" Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? *. OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC ! *. The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No *. Conservative logic - Torture works. Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame.. It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that Liberals did not decry? Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity. Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating" in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank robber? -*The distinction between appropriate and - inappropriate use of force is quite important. The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ? Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death. *. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - RHF, - What are you saying? -reposted- The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ? [ Is the Use of Force the Defining Element of Torture ? ] * . That trauma resulting in pain and suffering is NOT torture? (geez, this moron can't even post a simple sentence) Torture is torture. Do you think, well that is useless thing to ask....would you like to be tortured? It's a quick way to get to the truth. According to you. |
(OT) : CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Infothat Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.
On May 7, 7:08*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 2:54*pm, Kevin Cunningham wrote: On May 7, 7:03*am, "~ RHF" wrote: On May 6, 5:56*am, Kevin Cunningham wrote: On May 5, 5:54*pm, "~ RHF" wrote: On May 5, 9:09*am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis wrote: On May 5, 1:00*am, "~ RHF" wrote: Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm? If so then do you have any family and loved ones? One stupid hypothetical deserves another. Are your blinders *of your own making? - Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family? - - You beat me to it. RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You" Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? *. OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC ! *. The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No *. The answer is that torture doesn't work. Another Liberal Lie and Democrat Distortion : Since what is now being called Torture did help prevent a 9/11 type Attack on LA. -*The answer is that you, personally, want to watch. * KC - If you had ever saw a Family Member, a Friend or Loved One In-Pain and Suffering : You Would Not Want To Watch [.] - You get your rocks off by hearing about torture. KC - Typical Liberal-Fascist Thinking Torture = Sex. -*You are a coward. KC - 'coward' - - - = = = RHF's Canned Reply 'Rant' = = = - - - [: To Liberal-Fascist Name Calling :] ROTFL - You Know When You Are Winning An Argument : When a Super-Smart 'Enlightened" Liberal Starts Name Calling*. * They Lose Their Ability To Think And Get Emotional - rotfl ~ RHFhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/318979fbe8546cfa *. typical liberal-fascist thinking with respect to other human beings who do not bow-down to them ~ RHF - But so what, you want to watch other people being tortured. KC -clearly- Your 'projections' -wrt- my mental reasoning and motives; are in-fact a mirror of your own Psyche with your repeated allusions to 'watching' and 'sex'. -*Not that torture ever reveals anything, - how many witches got burned do you think? *How many satanists? KC - Not talking about 'witches' or 'satinists' unless you personally know of some who have recently been 'burned' here i the USA. We are Talking about Islam-O-Fascist Terrorists who plan Terrorist Attacks like 9/11 and Kill Thousands of Innocent People Men, Women and Children. - The fact is that all the persons involved in torture - are criminally culpable. *The fact that they won't - be brought to trial shows what prosecutorial - discretion is. KC -fwiw- Personally I 'think' that both Bush and Cheney should be Accountable; and Said They Asked For The Legal Advisements On What Constitutes Torture : State That They Gave The Orders; and Name The Names of The Members of the US Congress Who Either Gave The OK or Their Passive Approval to what is now being Called Torture After-the-Fact by many of those same Members of the US Congress. Pelosi & Reid & Biden + Et Al Former us president GW Bush and former vp Dick Cheney need to Stand-Up before the US Congress On TV and Start Name Names. *. *. - Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor. "CIA Confirms: Waterboarding 9/11 Mastermind Led to Info that Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles.”http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...d_foiled_los_a... - By the way, did you know that you don't have to capitalize every thing? NO I DID NOT ! :o) ~ RHF *. Riiighhhtttt, and I believe something that is in some blog. Sure, not in the NY Times, Washington Post, etc. What a drooling whack job. Would you like to be tortured? When has the law ever allowed torture? Remember all the witches that were caught by torture? |
(OT) : The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use ofForce ?
On May 7, 7:12*pm, "~ RHF" wrote:
On May 7, 10:27*am, Mike wrote: On May 7, 12:26*pm, "~ RHF" wrote: On May 7, 8:50*am, Wikking wrote: ~ RHF wrote: On May 7, 5:38 am, Gary Forbis wrote: On May 7, 4:15 am, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n- Dog..com wrote: John Barnard wrote: ~ RHF wrote: On May 5, 9:09 am, wrote: On Tue, 5 May 2009 05:17:28 -0700 (PDT), Gary Forbis wrote: On May 5, 1:00 am, "~ RHF" wrote: Would "You" Torture A Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? Would you cut off your left arm to save the lives of your family and loved ones? *Do you still have your left arm? If so then do you have any family and loved ones? One stupid hypothetical deserves another. Are your blinders *of your own making? - Would you blow up a nuclear bomb in NYC to save your family? - - You beat me to it. RG - Just How Does Commiting a Terrorist Act and Killing Tens of Thousands or Millions of Innocent Human Beings =Equate To= "You" Torture A (One) Terrorist To Save The Lives Of Your Family and Loved Ones ? *. OH YEAH TORTURED LIBERAL LOGIC ! *. The Answer is either a simple : Yes -or- No *. Conservative logic - Torture works. Liberal Logic - outing CIA agents is OK unless it's Valerye Plame. It is? *What CIA agents were outed for political purposes that Liberals did not decry? Liberal Logic - Clinton Assassinating Usama Bin laden is OK but Bush Waterboarding Bin Laden is a crime against humanity. Some of this is just verbiage. *Would you use the word "assassinating" in relationship to what a swat team does to a hostage holding bank robber? - The distinction between appropriate and - inappropriate use of force is quite important. The Question Becomes : Is Torture Defined By The Use of Force ? Not To The Person Who Is The Subject Of The Use Of Physical Force and/or Emotional Trauma Which Results In Pain, Suffering and/or Their Death. *. *. The Neocons want to pretend there was never a Nuremberg trial, never a Geneva Convention, never a rebuttal of the "Orders are Orders (Befehl ist befehl) defence. They also want to ignore the fact that the Nazi judiciary itself was put on trial at Nuremberg for legalizing torture and cruel and unusual punishment as depicted in the movie Judgement at Nuremburg. They want to pretend its all debatable. -- }(: - Note to Rightwing Extremists: - When you get to your new Gettysburg, don't expect Rush, Hannity, - Perry, Goldberg or O'Reilly to be on the field with you or leading - Pickett's Charge. They won't be. They will be way at the back out of - harm's way. Note to Wikking : {Gettysburg a Battle to Save America} we will be there, We Will Be There. WE WILL BE THERE ! - - - no media stars required ~ RHF *. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The battle has already been fought. MWB - The 'Battle' To Protect and Defend the USA and Americans : Is Going On Everyday Around the World 24/7. ~ RHF *. And you are not in it. You are a gutless coward. |
The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
On May 7, 7:35*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 18:48:29 -0400, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the wrote: The CIA waterboarding ones that were recently outed. Not one has been named fool. ANd they were independent contractors. Yeah, right, the Germans would have gotten off if they had used independent contractors. |
The Tortured Rhetoric of the Reactionary Left
On May 7, 10:33*pm, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the Mind"@Talk-n-
Dog..com wrote: wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2009 19:17:25 -0400, "Who i$ John Galt" "Men of the wrote: Prove that torture prevented an attack on LA. *You have the floor. Prove that Obama has saved any jobs? It's on the news almost every night. Plant managers, town managers saying we had given these people notice they were being let go, but the stimulus let us keep them. Turn off FUX news and learn something. over 600,000,000 jobs lost. *No rise in jobs, no hits, no bases, no runs. Obama has saved zero jobs, but he has been costing us plenty of jobs, every time he over steps the constitution and beats up on industry and investors, because that drives money away from the Obama economy. Geitner was just today saying that they fixed thing so new capital could come into the markets, who in their right mind would put money where Obama could do to you what he did to GM investors with capital in this market. *They should have pulled out when Obama took office, they'd be way ahead of the game. This recession started under Bush. All last year, every month, we were in a recession. That's government figures, Bush announced his failure after the election. Bush tried to keep the lid on but the monthly numbers were discouraging. Now why should you believe me? Who is in the White House trying to sort out Bush's mess? Face it, your spending and wars darn near destroyed this great nation. Remember, your great break through was taking about lowering taxes. You never talked about deficits. How does it feel to fail? |
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