Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
"Label's $500 royalty solution."

"Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) is expected to propose capping a performance
royalty on small radio stations at $500 a year -- a tenth of what was
earlier floated. The move could undercut radio's argument that
stations cannot afford a new fee. The House Judiciary Committee is
expected to approve a royalty bill this week."

http://www.insideradio.com/pdheadlin...+Top+Stori es

I wonder, what the big-boys will be paying - LOL! Bye, bye HD Radio!

Well, the $500 per station is for stations billing under $1.25 million.

That applies to about 12,000 of the roughly 14,000 US stations, not
including LPFMs, boosters, etc.

If the rate is proportional, certainly a point that could be argued for,
then the highest billing station in the US would pay about $22 k a year.

And, since most HDs don't bill $1.25 million, they would pay the $500 fee.

FM 'MUSIC' RADIO IS ALIVE AND WELL with the 0.04% Solution -was- Herecome the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

On May 11, 6:17*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

...

"Label's $500 royalty solution."

"Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) is expected to propose capping a performance
royalty on small radio stations at $500 a year -- a tenth of what was
earlier floated. * The move could undercut radio's argument that
stations cannot afford a new fee. *The House Judiciary Committee is
expected to approve a royalty bill this week."

http://www.insideradio.com/pdheadlin...PT=Today%27s+T...

I wonder, what the big-boys will be paying - LOL! *Bye, bye HD Radio!

Well, the $500 per station is for stations billing under $1.25 million.

That applies to about 12,000 of the roughly 14,000 US stations, not
including LPFMs, boosters, etc.

If the rate is proportional, certainly a point that could be argued for,
then the highest billing station in the US would pay about $22 k a year.

- And, since most HDs don't bill $1.25 million, they would pay the
$500 fee.

FM 'MUSIC' RADIO IS ALIVE AND WELL
with the 0.04% Solution
Thanks to the U$ Congre$$

$500 / 365 Days = $1.40 per Day which is about
the price of a Medium Drink at a Fast Food place.

$500 X 12,000 = $6,000,000 RIAA -omg- Where
they going to spend all that Taxable Money . . .

$500 / $1,250,000 = 0.04% that's a 'hicup'

pr - that's 'pocket change' and nothing more ~ RHF

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

~ RHF wrote:


Billing Rates Change and Today's FM HD-Radio
HD2 Channel Market Development Cost can
become Tomorrow's Additional Profit Center for
FM Radio Stations with a different set of Advertisers
for each FM HD Channels = "Diversified Income"

~ RHF
.

Unless they figure out how to get HD2 channels to work in a moving car
there will be no viability.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

On May 13, 4:54*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

~ RHF wrote:

Billing Rates Change and Today's FM HD-Radio
HD2 Channel Market Development Cost can
become Tomorrow's Additional Profit Center for
FM Radio Stations with a different set of Advertisers
for each FM HD Channels = "Diversified Income"

~ RHF
*.

Unless they figure out how to get HD2 channels to work in a moving car
there will be no viability.

FM HD2 channels work fine in moving cars, and the signals are stable out to
about the 64 dbu contour....

"BMW HD-Radio™- Functionality and Diagnosis"

"SI B65 25 05Sound System, Cruise, Alarms, Monitors August 2007
Technical Service. This Service Information bulletin supersedes S.I.
65 25 05 dated March 2007"

http://tinyurl.com/dcb67s

"HD Radio™ Troubleshooting Guide (Consumer)"

"Station Volume changes. Audio repeats or jumps forward in time. An
echo occurs when the radio switches between Analog and Digital audio.
Digital audio sounds worse than the Analog audio. The HD-Radio™ sound
keeps switching between Digital and Analog audio quality. HD-Radio™
Indicator keeps turning on and off."

http://tinyurl.com/d4molp

"Gimme More HD Signal Pleeeze"

"I purchased the HD Radio option in my BMW-X5 in January 2008. (I have
commented in the past regarding this experience). But I must say after
having paid for and using this option I kinda secretly wish I could
get my money back. And here’s why. The HD audio signal can’t seem to
find my car... But speaking as a citizen here in publicville I feel
gypped."

http://tinyurl.com/chscm6

"HD radio breaks up!"

"I know this has been around the block before. I would like to here
from any members particularly in the Seattle area that have HD radio
and what their likes and dislikes are. I have had the same problem
ever since I took delivery with the HD cutting out. Mine will cut in
and out at a traffic light. I live 6 miles from work and the HD will
cut out 2-10 times during my commute. I have taken it to the dealer
last week and they replaced the tail light sockets. Their take on it
was there was an magnetic interferance issue with the antenna system
causing the HD to cut in and out. This has not fixed the problem but
they say the antenna signal strength is higher now. I can't say if
it's the car radio or that HD is not as strong as signal and this is
just the way it is. This problem exists with all HD channels. I would
hate to see the dealer keep my car for an extended period of time when
in fact there is nothing wrong. I am in south Seattle."

http://tinyurl.com/anwtpt

"Problem with HD Radio"

"I am having a problem with my HD Radio. I have iDrive, so I see
everything on the big screen. My radio is set to be in HD mode all the
time, but it switches to analog on occasion. On one of my preset
stations, when it is in HD mode, the station will play for two seconds
and then it will fade out and not come back. If it is in analog mode,
the station will play without fading out... I went to the service
department yesterday and the SA told me that it may be weather-
related. We have been having some crazy weather here in Southern
California. I first noticed these problems during the bad weather --
but it seems like it may be something more than weather issues."

http://tinyurl.com/ca2eth

"HD Radio problem"

"I have started to experience a problem with my HD Radio and was
wondering if I'm alone, or if any of my fellow 'festers have ideas.
Every once in a while (and now, all too often), my Radio will 'buzz'
whenever a station is tuned. The buzzing will quickly become louder
than the radio content. I can stop this phenomenon by during the HD
Radio 'off', in the Audio Settings. After turning the car off, and
back on this will ususally go away. Today it didn't (go away). I love
the sound of the HD Radio. However, this is becoming unacceptable."

http://tinyurl.com/dghhd8

Right - BMWs must be the exception - LOL!

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

On May 13, 5:32�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...





David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
~ RHF wrote:

Billing Rates Change and Today's FM HD-Radio
HD2 Channel Market Development Cost can
become Tomorrow's Additional Profit Center for
FM Radio Stations with a different set of Advertisers
for each FM HD Channels = "Diversified Income"

~ RHF
�.

Unless they figure out how to get HD2 channels to work in a moving car
there will be no viability.

FM HD2 channels work fine in moving cars, and the signals are stable out
to about the 64 dbu contour....

Dream on.

Between us all here, there are about 25 HD car radios in use... some in use
for about 4 years. All incidents of dropouts on HD 2 channels are outside
the 64 dbu contour (using a Longley-Rice projection, of course).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"HD Radio: Still low in priority at stores"

"I visited a Best Buy the other day, and while I was there I stopped
in the auto sound department. He took me to the display wall and
showed me the one unit that had HD Radio built in. It was a model from
JVC. He said that others were HD Radio ready, but they all required an
expensive interface to add HD Radio."

http://tinyurl.com/chb3rg

"Is HD Radio going to be killed by manufacturers' desire to keep it a
premium-priced upgrade?"

"I just embarked on my twice-per-year online shopping trip to see if
it's time to upgrade my car stereo to HD. Saw a sudden shift to car
radios now being 'HD-Ready' instead of HD for a number of radios. This
appears to require the purchase and professional installation of a
separate, compatible unit. Anyone know why this appears to be a sudden
new direction and what this might mean for the future of HD radio?"

http://tinyurl.com/6rbj7y

Right - they must be "HD Radio Ready" - LOL!

FM HD-Radio Channels = "DiversifiedIncome" -was- Here come the...
 

A Beemer? When I was at Scott Air Force Base in 1963, I bought a 1957
BMW Isetta car for $350.00 from an Air Force Officer.The car didn't have
a radio.As loud as that car was, a radio would have been a waste of
time.People used to pick up my little car and hide it behind those
Evergreen bushes/trees.Driving across the Eads Bridge in rainy weather
in that little car was SPOOKY! I sold that death trap to an Army Officer
when I found out I was going to Viet Nam.
cuhulin

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On May 13, 4:54 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

Right - BMWs must be the exception - LOL!

I have no trouble with my X5 HD radio, another person has one in an
Infinity, another in a Mercedes, and several have after market ones, none
have issues inside the 64 dbu contour.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"~ RHF" wrote in message
...
On May 13, 1:54 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

...

~ RHF wrote:

Billing Rates Change and Today's FM HD-Radio
HD2 Channel Market Development Cost can
become Tomorrow's Additional Profit Center for
FM Radio Stations with a different set of Advertisers
for each FM HD Channels = "Diversified Income"

~ RHF
.

Unless they figure out how to get HD2 channels to work in a moving car
there will be no viability.

- FM HD2 channels work fine in moving cars,
- and the signals are stable out to about the
- 64 dbu contour....

d'Eduardo - Life Exists and People Do Live Beyond
the 64 dbu Contour : The Land of the Blinking Blue Light

But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour, and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.

As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour, and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.

As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.


I should have been clearer... 95% of analog FM listening is inside the 64
dbu contour.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour, and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.

As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.


I should have been clearer... 95% of analog FM listening is inside the 64
dbu contour.

The last time I looked the FM radio in my car didn't have the ability to
differentiate which side of the 64 dBu coverage line it was on.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

On May 13, 6:11*pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

...
On May 13, 4:54 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:

"dave" wrote in message

Right - BMWs must be the exception - LOL!

- I have no trouble with my X5 HD radio, another person has one in an
- Infinity, another in a Mercedes, and several have after market ones,
none
- have issues inside the 64 dbu contour.

Blessed Are Those That Live Within
The 64 dbu Contour - Amfm ~ RHF

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

On May 13, 5:41*pm, PocketRadio wrote:
On May 13, 5:32 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:



"dave" wrote in message

m...

David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
~ RHF wrote:

Billing Rates Change and Today's FM HD-Radio
HD2 Channel Market Development Cost can
become Tomorrow's Additional Profit Center for
FM Radio Stations with a different set of Advertisers
for each FM HD Channels = "Diversified Income"

~ RHF
.

Unless they figure out how to get HD2 channels to work in a moving car
there will be no viability.

FM HD2 channels work fine in moving cars, and the signals are stable out
to about the 64 dbu contour....

Dream on.

Between us all here, there are about 25 HD car radios in use... some in use
for about 4 years. All incidents of dropouts on HD 2 channels are outside
the 64 dbu contour (using a Longley-Rice projection, of course).- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"HD Radio: Still low in priority at stores"

"I visited a Best Buy the other day, and while I was there I stopped
in the auto sound department. He took me to the display wall and
showed me the one unit that had HD Radio built in. It was a model from
JVC. He said that others were HD Radio ready, but they all required an
expensive interface to add HD Radio."

http://tinyurl.com/chb3rg

"Is HD Radio going to be killed by manufacturers' desire to keep it a
premium-priced upgrade?"

"I just embarked on my twice-per-year online shopping trip to see if
it's time to upgrade my car stereo to HD. Saw a sudden shift to car
radios now being 'HD-Ready' instead of HD for a number of radios. This
appears to require the purchase and professional installation of a
separate, compatible unit.

- Anyone know why this appears to be a sudden
- new direction

D'Oh ! No.

and what this might mean for the future of HD radio?"

This Is Not Good for FM HD-Radio :
Calling Super \S/ Stubble To The Rescue !

http://tinyurl.com/6rbj7y

Right - they must be "HD Radio Ready" - LOL!

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...


But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour,
and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.

As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.


I should have been clearer... 95% of analog FM listening is inside the
64 dbu contour.

How do you know this? How do you define listening? PPMs that pick up
the radio behind the counter when you buy a pack of smokes? The radio
in the taxi?

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour, and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.
As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.

I should have been clearer... 95% of analog FM listening is inside the 64
dbu contour.

The last time I looked the FM radio in my car didn't have the ability to
differentiate which side of the 64 dBu coverage line it was on.


I remember 64 dBu as a TV term. In radio it was 60 dBu (aka 1 mV/m; aka
Grade B Contour). Perhaps it has since been modified, as I retired from
radio about 20 years ago (when people stopped "listening").

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"David Eduardo" wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour,
and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.

As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.


I should have been clearer... 95% of analog FM listening is inside the 64
dbu contour.

The last time I looked the FM radio in my car didn't have the ability to
differentiate which side of the 64 dBu coverage line it was on.


Listeners can differentiate, quite obviously, between signals that come in
nicely and those that don't. Of course, depending on the actual location and
type of radio, what we see is that listening becomes less and less common
(even when indexed against population density) the farther you go from the
transmitter. Once you get outside the 70 dbu contour, listening falls to
nearly nothing approaching the zone around the 64 dbu. It's a question of
listening density, indicating that listeners will not go to the trouble as
the signal gets weaker, particularly if they have other options.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"dave" wrote in message
m...
David Eduardo wrote:

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On May 13, 4:54 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

Right - BMWs must be the exception - LOL!

I have no trouble with my X5 HD radio, another person has one in an
Infinity, another in a Mercedes, and several have after market ones, none
have issues inside the 64 dbu contour.

You live right under the transmitters. Most people live in the suburbs.

I live in Glendale, and the only nearby transmitters are KXOL, KROQ and
KLAX.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"dave" wrote in message
m...
David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour,
and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.

As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.


I should have been clearer... 95% of analog FM listening is inside the 64
dbu contour.

How do you know this? How do you define listening? PPMs that pick up the
radio behind the counter when you buy a pack of smokes? The radio in the
taxi?

We know it after several different parties analyzed literally millions of
Arbitron diaries over a multi-year period. Diaries include the home and work
ZIP code, and since 70% of listening occurs in those two locations, it's a
perfect base. Diary ZIP code returns by station were laid over maps of
coverage and the results tabulated... and we got the figures cited.

This analysis, also done separately by Arbitron internally, resulted in both
the AM and FM signal based crediting system for stations or shows available
on more than one station in a general area; Arbitron's ascription process
first uses best signal to make a decision, and if neither station available
has a good signal, a random number generator determines who gets credit. But
the base here is the same study... where is each station listenable under
normal circumstances.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

On May 14, 2:15�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

m...





David Eduardo wrote:

"Telamon" wrote in message
...

But about 95% of measured listening occurs inside the 64 dbu contour,
and
80% is inside the 70 dbu contour.

As defined by the ability of HD to perform at all. A self fulfilling
outcome.

I should have been clearer... 95% of analog FM listening is inside the 64
dbu contour.

How do you know this? �How do you define listening? �PPMs that pick up the
radio behind the counter when you buy a pack of smokes? �The radio in the
taxi?

We know it after several different parties analyzed literally millions of
Arbitron diaries over a multi-year period. Diaries include the home and work
ZIP code, and since 70% of listening occurs in those two locations, it's a
perfect base. Diary ZIP code returns by station were laid over maps of
coverage and the results tabulated... and we got the figures cited.

This analysis, also done separately by Arbitron internally, resulted in both
the AM and FM signal based crediting system for stations or shows available
on more than one station in a general area; Arbitron's ascription process
first uses best signal to make a decision, and if neither station available
has a good signal, a random number generator determines who gets credit. But
the base here is the same study... where is each station listenable under
normal circumstances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought that you said it wasn't worth disussing HD Radio, except if
it was against the FM-HD power increase?

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...

How do you know this? �How do you define listening? �PPMs that pick up
the
radio behind the counter when you buy a pack of smokes? �The radio in
the
taxi?

We know it after several different parties analyzed literally millions of
Arbitron diaries over a multi-year period. Diaries include the home and
work
ZIP code, and since 70% of listening occurs in those two locations, it's a
perfect base. Diary ZIP code returns by station were laid over maps of
coverage and the results tabulated... and we got the figures cited.

This analysis, also done separately by Arbitron internally, resulted in
both
the AM and FM signal based crediting system for stations or shows
available
on more than one station in a general area; Arbitron's ascription process
first uses best signal to make a decision, and if neither station
available
has a good signal, a random number generator determines who gets credit.
But
the base here is the same study... where is each station listenable under
normal circumstances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought that you said it wasn't worth disussing HD Radio, except if
it was against the FM-HD power increase?

What in the above two paragraphs has to do with HD?

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
m...
David Eduardo wrote:

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...

On May 13, 4:54 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

Right - BMWs must be the exception - LOL!

I have no trouble with my X5 HD radio, another person has one in an
Infinity, another in a Mercedes, and several have after market
ones, none have issues inside the 64 dbu contour.

You live right under the transmitters. Most people live in the
suburbs.

I live in Glendale, and the only nearby transmitters are KXOL, KROQ
and KLAX.

You are right under Mt. Wilson.

So is most of the LA market.

Maybe half of it. Mt. Wilson is irrelevant in many of the larger
suburbs, like Simi Valley f'rinstance.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

On May 14, 5:47�pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"PocketRadio" wrote in message

...







How do you know this? How do you define listening? PPMs that pick up
the
radio behind the counter when you buy a pack of smokes? The radio in
the
taxi?

We know it after several different parties analyzed literally millions of
Arbitron diaries over a multi-year period. Diaries include the home and
work
ZIP code, and since 70% of listening occurs in those two locations, it's a
perfect base. Diary ZIP code returns by station were laid over maps of
coverage and the results tabulated... and we got the figures cited.

This analysis, also done separately by Arbitron internally, resulted in
both
the AM and FM signal based crediting system for stations or shows
available
on more than one station in a general area; Arbitron's ascription process
first uses best signal to make a decision, and if neither station
available
has a good signal, a random number generator determines who gets credit..
But
the base here is the same study... where is each station listenable under
normal circumstances.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought that you said it wasn't worth disussing HD Radio, except if
it was against the FM-HD power increase?

What in the above two paragraphs has to do with HD?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Because you've been discussing HD in this thread.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come theover-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
m...
David Eduardo wrote:

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...

On May 13, 4:54 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

Right - BMWs must be the exception - LOL!

I have no trouble with my X5 HD radio, another person has one in an
Infinity, another in a Mercedes, and several have after market ones,
none have issues inside the 64 dbu contour.

You live right under the transmitters. Most people live in the suburbs.

I live in Glendale, and the only nearby transmitters are KXOL, KROQ and
KLAX.

You are right under Mt. Wilson.

FM HD-Radio Channels = "Diversified Income" -was- Here come the over-the-air broadcast royalties!
 

"dave" wrote in message
...
David Eduardo wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
m...
David Eduardo wrote:

"PocketRadio" wrote in message
...
On May 13, 4:54 pm, "David Eduardo" wrote:
"dave" wrote in message

Right - BMWs must be the exception - LOL!

I have no trouble with my X5 HD radio, another person has one in an
Infinity, another in a Mercedes, and several have after market ones,
none have issues inside the 64 dbu contour.

You live right under the transmitters. Most people live in the suburbs.

I live in Glendale, and the only nearby transmitters are KXOL, KROQ and
KLAX.

You are right under Mt. Wilson.

So is most of the LA market.