Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron – or a term for conservatives
to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer, none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells, who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really. His words, indeed, fit a much larger pattern of fusing socialism with fascism: Mussolini was a leading socialist figure who, during World War I, turned away from internationalism in favor of Italian nationalism and called the blend Fascism. Likewise, Hitler headed the National Socialist German Workers Party. These facts jar because they contradict the political spectrum that has shaped our worldview since the late 1930s, which places communism at the far left, followed by socialism, liberalism in the center, conservatism, and then fascism on the far right. But this spectrum, Jonah Goldberg points out in his brilliant, profound, and original new book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (Doubleday), reflects Stalin's use of fascist as an epithet to discredit anyone he wished – Trotsky, Churchill, Russian peasants – and distorts reality. Already in 1946, George Orwell noted that fascism had degenerated to signify "something not desirable." To understand fascism in its full expression requires putting aside Stalin's misrepresentation of the term and also look beyond the Holocaust, and instead return to the period Goldberg terms the "fascist moment," roughly 1910-35. A statist ideology, fascism uses politics as the tool to transform society from atomized individuals into an organic whole. It does so by exalting the state over the individual, expert knowledge over democracy, enforced consensus over debate, and socialism over capitalism. It is totalitarian in Mussolini's original meaning of the term, of "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." Fascism's message boils down to "Enough talk, more action!" Its lasting appeal is getting things done. In contrast, conservatism calls for limited government, individualism, democratic debate, and capitalism. Its appeal is liberty and leaving citizens alone. Goldberg's triumph is establishing the kinship between communism, fascism, and liberalism. All derive from the same tradition that goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. His revised political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises – American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on. As this listing suggests, fascism is flexible; different iterations differ in specifics but they share "emotional or instinctual impulses." Mussolini tweaked the socialist agenda to emphasize the state; Lenin made workers the vanguard party; Hitler added race. If the German version was militaristic, the American one (which Goldberg calls liberal fascism) is nearly pacifist. Goldberg quotes historian Richard Pipes on this point: "Bolshevism and Fascism were heresies of socialism." He proves this confluence in two ways. First, he offers a "secret history of the American left": Woodrow Wilson's Progressivism featured a "militaristic, fanatically nationalist, imperialist, racist" program, enabled by the exigencies of World War I. Franklin D. Roosevelt's "fascist New Deal" built on and extended Wilson's government. Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society established the modern welfare state, "the ultimate fruition" (so far) of this statist tradition. The youthful New Left revolutionaries of the 1960s brought about "an Americanized updating" of the European Old Right. Hillary Clinton hopes "to insert the state deep into family life," an essential step of the totalitarian project. To sum up a near-century of history, if the American political system traditionally encouraged the pursuit of happiness, "more and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered." Second, Goldberg dissects American liberal programs – racial, economic, environmental, even the "cult of the organic" – and shows their affinities to those of Mussolini and Hitler. If this summary sounds mind-numbingly implausible, read Liberal Fascism in full for its colorful quotes and convincing documentation. The author, hitherto known as a smart, sharp-elbowed polemicist, has proven himself a major political thinker. Beyond offering a radically different way to understand modern politics, in which fascist is no more a slander than socialist, Goldberg's extraordinary book provides conservatives with the tools to reply to their liberal tormentors and eventually go on the offensive. If liberals can eternally raise the specter of Joseph McCarthy, conservatives can counter with that of Benito Mussolini. http://townhall.com/Columnists/Danie...lism?page=full |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
On 16 June, 00:31, Barry wrote:
Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron It doesn't 'sound like' an oxymoron....it is one! – or a term for conservatives to insult liberals. Well, let's say people who call themselves 'conservatives'. Genuine conservatives (on both sides of the Atlantic) have more sense. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer, none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells, who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really. Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. The citation is:- Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 35, No. 4, 541-558 (2000) (c) 2000 SAGE Publications H.G. Wells's 'Liberal Fascism' Philip Coupland University of Warwick, UK And here is the abstract:- "During the 1930s H.G. Wells's theory of revolutionary praxis centred around a concept of 'liberal fascism' whereby the Wellsian 'liberal' utopia would be achieved by an authoritarian élite. Taking inspiration from the militarized political movements of the 1930s, this marked a development in the Wellsian theory of revolution from the 'open conspiracy' of the 1920s. Although both communist and fascist movements evinced some of the desired qualities of a Wellsian vanguard, it was fascism rather than communism which came closest to Wells's ideal. However, in practice, despite the failure of approaches to parties of the left and centre as possible agents of revolution, Wells rejected the British Union of Fascists. The disparity between Wells's theory and his actions when faced by the reality of fascism echoes the unresolved tension between ends and means at the heart of the concept of 'liberal fascism'. " You will note the following points:- 'Liberal fascism' refers to a tactic of revolution - the imposition of a liberal revolution by means of an authoritarian coup by an elite (possibly commanding a militarised organisation). And there the resemblance ends....it has nothing whatever to do with the actual philosophy behind the revolution, which is still essentially liberal (in the sense of emancipatory) in nature. Note also that Wells would have nothing to do with actual fascists. Indeed, he was repelled by them. But you can see how a second rater like Goldberg might get things muddled ... His words, indeed, fit a much larger pattern of fusing socialism with fascism: Mussolini was a leading socialist figure who, during World War I, turned away from internationalism in favor of Italian nationalism and called the blend Fascism. Which had nothing in common with socialism. He had the Matteoti, the italian socialist leader murdered. Likewise, Hitler headed the National Socialist German Workers Party. Which also had nothing in common with socialism. He put the Social Democrats in concentration camps. These facts jar Actually, they only do to political illiterates like Goldberg and yourself... because they contradict the political spectrum that has shaped our worldview since the late 1930s, which places communism at the far left, followed by socialism, liberalism in the center, conservatism, and then fascism on the far right. But this spectrum, Jonah Goldberg points out in his brilliant, profound, and original new book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (Doubleday), It's actually a pile of crap that was panned in the serious media. reflects Stalin's use of fascist as an epithet to discredit anyone he wished – Trotsky, Churchill, Russian peasants – and distorts reality. Already in 1946, George Orwell noted that fascism had degenerated to signify "something not desirable." Orwell was referring to its use as an insult! So what! We all know that it is used unthinkingly as an insult. Goldberg's book is still crap, though. To understand fascism in its full expression requires putting aside Stalin's misrepresentation of the term and also look beyond the Holocaust, and instead return to the period Goldberg terms the "fascist moment," roughly 1910-35. A statist ideology, If you define 'stae' as part of a corporate entity, a vision of society... fascism uses politics as the tool to transform society from atomized individuals into an organic whole. Well, so does (genuine) conservatism! Or haven't you notices? The difference is that fascism utilises race as the ultimate poltical solvent, and (in some versions) outlines a theory of a so-called revolution. It does so by exalting the state over the individual, expert knowledge over democracy, enforced consensus over debate, and socialism over capitalism. True socialism is about individual emancipation. Fascism is the exact opposite. It is totalitarian in Mussolini's original meaning of the term, of "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." Fascism's message boils down to "Enough talk, more action!" Its lasting appeal is getting things done. In contrast, conservatism calls for limited government, Not all versions do. individualism, democratic debate, and capitalism. Its appeal is liberty and leaving citizens alone. That isn't always the case. You see, the problem is that Godberg is American. All his concepts belong to parts of the American right. That's why some reviewers say that he doesn't understand fascism, which stands in a European political tradition. Goldberg's triumph is establishing the kinship between communism, fascism, and liberalism. Which he cannot do, because such kinship does not exist. All derive from the same tradition that goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. Really? And not Thomas Acquinas? Or Aristotle? His revised political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises – American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on. Cuban fascism???? (Rest of sh*t deleted.) Boy, you people are in trouble!!!!! Dr. Barry Worthington |
(OT) : Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism DoesExist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.
On Jun 16, 3:27*am, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
wrote: On 16 June, 00:31, Barry wrote: Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron It doesn't 'sound like' an oxymoron....it is one! – or a term for conservatives to insult liberals. Well, let's say people who call themselves 'conservatives'. Genuine conservatives (on both sides of the Atlantic) have more sense. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer, none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells, who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really. Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. The citation is:- Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 35, No. 4, 541-558 (2000) (c) 2000 SAGE Publications H.G. Wells's 'Liberal Fascism' Philip Coupland University of Warwick, UK And here is the abstract:- "During the 1930s H.G. Wells's theory of revolutionary praxis centred around a concept of 'liberal fascism' whereby the Wellsian 'liberal' utopia would be achieved by an authoritarian élite. Taking inspiration from the militarized political movements of the 1930s, this marked a development in the Wellsian theory of revolution from the 'open conspiracy' of the 1920s. Although both communist and fascist movements evinced some of the desired qualities of a Wellsian vanguard, it was fascism rather than communism which came closest to Wells's ideal. However, in practice, despite the failure of approaches to parties of the left and centre as possible agents of revolution, Wells rejected the British Union of Fascists. The disparity between Wells's theory and his actions when faced by the reality of fascism echoes the unresolved tension between ends and means at the heart of the concept of 'liberal fascism'. " You will note the following points:- 'Liberal fascism' refers to a tactic of revolution - the imposition of a liberal revolution by means of an authoritarian coup by an elite (possibly commanding a militarised organisation). And there the resemblance ends....it has nothing whatever to do with the actual philosophy behind the revolution, which is still essentially liberal (in the sense of emancipatory) in nature. Note also that Wells would have nothing to do with actual fascists. Indeed, he was repelled by them. But you can see how a second rater like Goldberg might get things muddled ... His words, indeed, fit a much larger pattern of fusing socialism with fascism: Mussolini was a leading socialist figure who, during World War I, turned away from internationalism in favor of Italian nationalism and called the blend Fascism. Which had nothing in common with socialism. He had the Matteoti, the italian socialist leader murdered. *Likewise, Hitler headed the National Socialist German Workers Party. Which also had nothing in common with socialism. He put the Social Democrats in concentration camps. These facts jar Actually, they only do to political illiterates like Goldberg and yourself... because they contradict the political spectrum that has shaped our worldview since the late 1930s, which places communism at the far left, followed by socialism, liberalism in the center, conservatism, and then fascism on the far right. But this spectrum, Jonah Goldberg points out in his brilliant, profound, and original new book, Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left from Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning (Doubleday), It's actually a pile of crap that was panned in the serious media. reflects Stalin's use of fascist as an epithet to discredit anyone he wished – Trotsky, Churchill, Russian peasants – and distorts reality. Already in 1946, George Orwell noted that fascism had degenerated to signify "something not desirable." Orwell was referring to its use as an insult! So what! We all know that it is used unthinkingly as an insult. Goldberg's book is still crap, though. To understand fascism in its full expression requires putting aside Stalin's misrepresentation of the term and also look beyond the Holocaust, and instead return to the period Goldberg terms the "fascist moment," roughly 1910-35. A statist ideology, If you define 'stae' as part of a corporate entity, a vision of society... fascism uses politics as the tool to transform society from atomized individuals into an organic whole. Well, so does (genuine) conservatism! Or haven't you notices? The difference is that fascism utilises race as the ultimate poltical solvent, and (in some versions) outlines a theory of a so-called revolution. It does so by exalting the state over the individual, expert knowledge over democracy, enforced consensus over debate, and socialism over capitalism. True socialism is about individual emancipation. Fascism is the exact opposite. *It is totalitarian in Mussolini's original meaning of the term, of "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." Fascism's message boils down to "Enough talk, more action!" Its lasting appeal is getting things done. In contrast, conservatism calls for limited government, Not all versions do. *individualism, democratic debate, and capitalism. Its appeal is liberty and leaving citizens alone. That isn't always the case. You see, the problem is that Godberg is American. All his concepts belong to parts of the American right. That's why some reviewers say that he doesn't understand fascism, which stands in a European political tradition. Goldberg's triumph is establishing the kinship between communism, fascism, and liberalism. Which he cannot do, because such kinship does not exist. All derive from the same tradition that goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. Really? And not Thomas Acquinas? Or Aristotle? His revised political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises – American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on. Cuban fascism???? (Rest of sh*t deleted.) Boy, you people are in trouble!!!!! Dr. Barry Worthington DrBW, Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument. -ps- Yeah We Got Trouble Right Here In Liberal City ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Goldberg http://liberalfascism.nationalreview.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsFoiVZDSRs "Everything You Know About Fascism Is Wrong" http://books.google.com/books?id=wHi...snum=7#PPA7,M1 |
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Dr. Barry Worthington wrote:
Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. Casting pearls before swine, Doctor? mike -- __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / /\ / / / /\ \/ /\'Think tanks cleaned cheap' /\ \/ / /_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ \/_/ Densa International© For the OTHER two percent. Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, Google Groups or HOTMAIL address. I also filter everything from a .cn server. For solutions which may work for you, please check: http://improve-usenet.org/ |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
On Jun 16, 9:15*am, m II wrote:
Dr. Barry Worthington wrote: Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor? - - mike Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d91b4a2e4429c9 -- * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * / /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ / */ /\ \/ /\'Think tanks cleaned cheap' /\ \/ / /_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ * * * * * * *Densa International© * * * * * For the OTHER two percent. * Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, *I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, * * * *Google Groups or HOTMAIL address. * *I also filter everything from a .cn server. For solutions which may work for you, please check: * * * * * *http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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On 16 June, 17:20, "~ RHF" wrote:
On Jun 16, 9:15*am, m II wrote: Dr. Barry Worthington wrote: Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor? - - mike Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d91b4a2e4429c9 I have tried to respond to your original reply, but the system will not let me. So I will answer here. Firstly, I expect you to answer the points that I made in my posting. If you cannot, I am not prepared to to deal with a lot of citations from a variety of sites that appear to be hagiography of Jonah Goldberg. Do you have an opinion on the Coupland article? Or are you just conent to parrot any amount of junk? Secondly, I should point out that a number of us have had problems with the wikipedia site entry for Liberal Fascism, since someone is determined to revert material that is posted about H.G. Wells on this matter. Dr. Barry Worthington -- * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * *__ * / /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ /\ */ / */ /\ \/ /\'Think tanks cleaned cheap' /\ \/ / /_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ *\/_/ * * * * * * *Densa International© * * * * * For the OTHER two percent. * Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, *I block all postings with a Gmail, Google Mail, * * * *Google Groups or HOTMAIL address. * *I also filter everything from a .cn server. For solutions which may work for you, please check: * * * * * *http://improve-usenet.org/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On 16 June, 18:28, "~ RHF" wrote:
On Jun 16, 9:54*am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" wrote: On 16 June, 17:20, "~ RHF" wrote: On Jun 16, 9:15*am, m II wrote: Dr. Barry Worthington wrote: Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor? - - mike Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d91b4a2e4429c9 I have tried to respond to your original reply, but the system will not let me. So I will answer here. - Firstly, I expect you to answer the points - that I made in my posting. Why is that some sort of 'rule' ? Why,yes! It's one of the rules of argument that most of us follow. Not you, it seems.... - If you cannot, -or- Simply 'choose' not to. - I am not prepared to to deal with a lot of - citations from a variety of sites that appear - to be hagiography of Jonah Goldberg. Ditto back at you. Ditto? What relevant points have you made? - Do you have an opinion on the Coupland article? Nah just my 'opinions' -ibid- So you can't really answer my criticism of the original posting? Surprise, surprise! Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d91b4a2e4429c9 Yes, you don't have to cite this junk again. Look, we cannot avoid talking about 1930s definitions, since Wells used this term in the 1930s. We have to understand what he meant by it. It's a largely forgotten historical episode, that is until Goldberg discovered it and thought it suited his purpose. He distorted Wells's concept to suit his own ends. If you read Coupland (and others who have researched this period) you will know that Goldberg is a blithering idiot. Or are you just conent to parrot any amount of junk? DrBW - 'parrot' 'junk' now now be nice. But that is what you seem to do. Don't you have any opinions of your own? - Secondly, I should point out that a number - of us have had problems with the wikipedia - site entry for Liberal Fascism, since someone - is determined to revert material that is posted - about H.G. Wells on this matter. - Dr. Barry Worthington Yeah WikiPedia ain't perfect. "Liberal Fascism"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg Indeed it is, since only Goldberg has used the term since the 1930s. Now if you take the bother to read the actual article, you will find that Goldberg himself claims to have been inspired by Wells's concept. But some idiot seems to revert every attempt that we make to compare Wells's views with Goldberg's.... * Positive Views * Negative Views Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in the 21st Century does not change the Fact or 'possibility' that : "Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ? "Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ? * Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve with the Passage of Time * Social and Political Movements Do Change as People Migrate to and from them. Yes. People do use terms wrongly, and they become insults. But it is a fantasy to suggest that the underlying ideology of fascism changed as a result. consider the possibilities and realities beyond a textbook answer ~ RHF What textbook answer? In the original posting I cited an academic article. Now, unless you have anything of value to say, please go away... Dr. Barry Worthington *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Jun 16, 2:16*pm, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
wrote: What textbook answer? Todays textbooks are now written by Ne0-Kommies. Take your Ne0-Kommie propaganda textbooks and shove them up your professorships's fat lazy ass! Professor, my ass - ROTFLMAO!!!! In the original posting I cited an academic article. So what! That doesn't mean squat! Most Liberal Fascists cite "academic" articles because most academics are Liberal Fascists and most authors of academic articles and textbooks are Liberal Fascists. They all write Circle-Jerk logik - exactly how your close Komrad and Kolleague writes - Noam Chomsky - commonly citing himself. Citing oneself in any arguement is another sure sign your are conversing with a Liberal Fascist. What matters is what is being observed - Liberal Fascism, today, right now - Barak0 "Hussein" 0baMa0 Not what "you" THINK, "Barry Worthington",PhD - Piled highest & Deepest! Now, unless you have anything of value to say, please go away... WE are not going anywhere. WE are staying right here to be in your face a long, long time. Dr. Barry Worthington Ja, HEIL HITLER! Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change (NOW AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK) http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis...dp/0767917189/ |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
On Jun 16, 5:27*am, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
wrote: (Rest of sh*t deleted.) Boy, you people are in trouble!!!!! Dr. Barry Worthington And it's all your fault! Yet ANOTHER Liberal Fascist! Name: Dr. Barry Worthington Location: Abertay University, Dundee - (rolling eyes) Title: Tourism Lecturer - bwaHAHAHAHAHA! Industry: Education - Liberal Fascism Email address: About me: "I AM A SOCIALIST" - ROTFLMAO! Ja, on the road to serfdom - HEIL HITLER HerR Professor! pffft-bwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
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On Jun 16, 12:16*pm, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
wrote: On 16 June, 18:28, "~ RHF" wrote: On Jun 16, 9:54*am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" wrote: On 16 June, 17:20, "~ RHF" wrote: On Jun 16, 9:15*am, m II wrote: Dr. Barry Worthington wrote: Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor? - - mike Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.....d91b4a2e4429c9 I have tried to respond to your original reply, but the system will not let me. So I will answer here. - Firstly, I expect you to answer the points - that I made in my posting. Why is that some sort of 'rule' ? Why,yes! It's one of the rules of argument that most of us follow. Not you, it seems.... - If you cannot, -or- Simply 'choose' not to. - I am not prepared to to deal with a lot of - citations from a variety of sites that appear - to be hagiography of Jonah Goldberg. Ditto back at you. Ditto? What relevant points have you made? - Do you have an opinion on the Coupland article? Nah just my 'opinions' -ibid- So you can't really answer my criticism of the original posting? Surprise, surprise! Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d91b4a2e4429c9 Yes, you don't have to cite this junk again. Look, we cannot avoid talking about 1930s definitions, since Wells used this term in the 1930s. We have to understand what he meant by it. It's a largely forgotten historical episode, that is until Goldberg discovered it and thought it suited his purpose. He distorted Wells's concept to suit his own ends. If you read Coupland (and others who have researched this period) you will know that Goldberg is a blithering idiot. Or are you just conent to parrot any amount of junk? DrBW - 'parrot' 'junk' now now be nice. But that is what you seem to do. Don't you have any opinions of your own? - Secondly, I should point out that a number - of us have had problems with the wikipedia - site entry for Liberal Fascism, since someone - is determined to revert material that is posted - about H.G. Wells on this matter. - Dr. Barry Worthington Yeah WikiPedia ain't perfect. "Liberal Fascism"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg Indeed it is, since only Goldberg has used the term since the 1930s. Now if you take the bother to read the actual article, you will find that Goldberg himself claims to have been inspired by Wells's concept. But some idiot seems to revert every attempt that we make to compare Wells's views with Goldberg's.... * Positive Views * Negative Views Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in the 21st Century does not change the Fact or 'possibility' that : "Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ? "Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ? * Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve with the Passage of Time * Social and Political Movements Do Change as People Migrate to and from them. Yes. People do use terms wrongly, and they become insults. But it is a fantasy to suggest that the underlying ideology of fascism changed as a result. consider the possibilities and realities beyond a textbook answer ~ RHF What textbook answer? In the original posting I cited an academic article. - Now, unless you have anything of value to say, please go away... - Dr. Barry Worthington DrBW - Here To Stay Here To Stay ~ RHF -ps- the value of being here |
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The Lowe's store near me has seven or eight outdoor storage buildings on
display in the parking lot.There is one of them I like, it has sort of a gambrel roof with a storage loft.I think it is the 10 foot by ten foot Rainier model shed.Next time I go over there, I am taking my tape measure with me and do some measuring.I can build a storage shed like that one for my back yard for less money. cuhulin |
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On 16 June, 21:49, Barry wrote:
On Jun 16, 2:16*pm, "Dr. Barry Worthington" wrote: What textbook answer? Todays textbooks are now written by Ne0-Kommies. *Take your Ne0-Kommie propaganda textbooks and shove them up your professorships's fat lazy ass! Professor, my ass - ROTFLMAO!!!! In the original posting I cited an academic article. So what! *That doesn't mean squat! *Most Liberal Fascists cite "academic" articles because most academics are Liberal Fascists and most authors of academic articles and textbooks are Liberal Fascists. They all write Circle-Jerk logik - exactly how your close Komrad and Kolleague writes - Noam Chomsky - commonly citing himself. *Citing oneself in any arguement is another sure sign your are conversing with a Liberal Fascist. What matters is what is being observed - Liberal Fascism, today, right now - Barak0 "Hussein" 0baMa0 Not what "you" THINK, "Barry Worthington",PhD - Piled highest & Deepest! Now, unless you have anything of value to say, please go away... WE are not going anywhere. *WE are staying right here to be in your face a long, long time. Dr. Barry Worthington Ja, HEIL HITLER! How old are you? At the moment, you are being very silly....in fact, rather boring. Now, as you are incapable of arguing a point, you are wasting my time. Goodbye, Dr. Barry Worthington Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change (NOW AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK)http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis...i-Politics/dp/... |
(OT) : "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' :Liberal-Fascism is a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century
On Jun 17, 2:45*am, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
wrote: On 17 June, 00:00, "~ RHF" wrote: On Jun 16, 12:16*pm, "Dr. Barry Worthington" wrote: On 16 June, 18:28, "~ RHF" wrote: On Jun 16, 9:54*am, "Dr. Barry Worthington" wrote: On 16 June, 17:20, "~ RHF" wrote: On Jun 16, 9:15*am, m II wrote: Dr. Barry Worthington wrote: Indeed. Let's explore this further.The origin of this garbage appears to be the following article. - Casting pearls before swine, Doctor? - - mike Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...d91b4a2e4429c9 I have tried to respond to your original reply, but the system will not let me. So I will answer here. - Firstly, I expect you to answer the points - that I made in my posting. Why is that some sort of 'rule' ? Why,yes! It's one of the rules of argument that most of us follow. Not you, it seems.... - If you cannot, -or- Simply 'choose' not to. - I am not prepared to to deal with a lot of - citations from a variety of sites that appear - to be hagiography of Jonah Goldberg. Ditto back at you. Ditto? What relevant points have you made? - Do you have an opinion on the Coupland article? Nah just my 'opinions' -ibid- So you can't really answer my criticism of the original posting? Surprise, surprise! Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.....d91b4a2e4429c9 Yes, you don't have to cite this junk again. Look, we cannot avoid talking about 1930s definitions, since Wells used this term in the 1930s. We have to understand what he meant by it. It's a largely forgotten historical episode, that is until Goldberg discovered it and thought it suited his purpose. He distorted Wells's concept to suit his own ends. If you read Coupland (and others who have researched this period) you will know that Goldberg is a blithering idiot. Or are you just conent to parrot any amount of junk? DrBW - 'parrot' 'junk' now now be nice. But that is what you seem to do. Don't you have any opinions of your own? - Secondly, I should point out that a number - of us have had problems with the wikipedia - site entry for Liberal Fascism, since someone - is determined to revert material that is posted - about H.G. Wells on this matter. - Dr. Barry Worthington Yeah WikiPedia ain't perfect. "Liberal Fascism"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg Indeed it is, since only Goldberg has used the term since the 1930s. Now if you take the bother to read the actual article, you will find that Goldberg himself claims to have been inspired by Wells's concept.. But some idiot seems to revert every attempt that we make to compare Wells's views with Goldberg's.... * Positive Views * Negative Views Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in the 21st Century does not change the Fact or 'possibility' that : "Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ? "Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ? * Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve with the Passage of Time * Social and Political Movements Do Change as People Migrate to and from them. Yes. People do use terms wrongly, and they become insults. But it is a fantasy to suggest that the underlying ideology of fascism changed as a result. consider the possibilities and realities beyond a textbook answer ~ RHF What textbook answer? In the original posting I cited an academic article. - - - Now, unless you have anything of value to say, - - - please go away... Dr. Barry Worthington - - DrBW - Here To Stay Here To Stay ~ RHF - - -ps- the value of being here - - *. - - Try to use 1930s Definitions to Deny that - - Liberal-Fascism Does Exist in the 21st - - Century is an Tired Old Argument.http://groups.google.com/group/ rec.radio.shortwave/msg/7fd91b4a2e4429c9 - - *. - - "Liberal Fascism"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism - - Is about the Book : Liberal Fascism : The Secret - - History of the American Left, From Mussolini to - - the Politics of Meaning -by- Jonah Goldberg - - * Positive Views - - * Negative Views - - - - Denying that "Liberal-Fascism" Exists and - - the Validity of the Term "Liberal-Fascist" in - - the 21st Century does not change the Fact - - or 'possibility' that : - - "Liberal-Fascism" Can It Exist ? - - "Liberal-Fascism" Does It Exist ? - - 1st - Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve - - with the Passage of Time - - 2nd - Social and Political Movements Do Change - - as People Migrate to and from them. - - - - consider the possibilities and realities - - beyond a old 'liberal' and old 'fascism' - - morphing into the new 'liberal-fascism' ~ RHF - - *. - - FWIW - Please Note the -Hyphen- between the - - two words 'liberal' and 'fascism' linking them - - into One Idea {Concept} "Liberal-Fascism" - - "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'Hits' - - it's a Virtual Reality in the 21st Century. - - *. - - Liberal Fascism : - - The Secret History of the American Left, - - From Mussolini to the Politics of Change - - http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberal-Fascism - - "Liberal-Fascism" with over 6-Million 'hits' - - it's a virtual reality in the 21st Century. - If you are not prepared to argue with me, DrBW 'argue' Opinions are Opinions -and- I am of the 'opinion' that : 1st - Words and Their Meanings Do Evolve with the Passage of Time 2nd - Social and Political Movements Do Change as People Migrate to and from them. RESULT - With over 6-Million 'hits' for the term "Liberal-Fascism" is a virtual reality in the 21st Century. [ Can't Kill the Idea {Concept} By Denying It. ] - you can bugger off and stop wasting my time! DrBW 'you {i} can bugger-off' That's not likely. DrBW 'stop wasting my {your} time' Only You Can Do That -unless- You have surrendered control of your life over to me. - Goodbye, - Dr. Barry Worthington truly let your goodbye be your goodbye while i will simply say bye bye for now ~ RHF -ps- For I remain RHF a 'Really Happy Fella' |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
On Jun 17, 10:55 pm, Day Brown wrote:
Barry wrote: Liberalfascismsounds like an oxymoron – or a term for conservatives to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer, none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells, who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really. Let me pour in a new flavor and stir the pot. Women are taking over. Their use of the language is less academic and more accepting of the ambiguity of people, their ideologies, and organizations. However, they too suffer from group think and even worse political correctness. But consider where the rubber actually hits the road, in a court hearing for sanity, where they can present the drivel of insane rants to prove that a deviant thinker needs meds and better case management. It will not matter whether the government thinks it is liberal, conservative, or for that matter, fascist. This is not a trial by jury. You dont get an attorney. They get to pick the judge. If you respond with flaming rather than polite discourse of ideas you do not like, they will suggest this is typical for neurotics. Women are more aware of how men will corrupt any system you can design in order to get the perks and money for status symbols hoping for more sex with younger more attractive hotties. The history of matriarchic political and economic systems is obscure largely because patriarchic academia went along with what the scribes in the pay of an alpha male military elite wanted recorded. But whether the system was more socialistic or more capitalistic, we see a lower cost of management with relatively better conditions for the lower classes. American socialists spread fascism worldwide. Francis Bellamy (along with other American socialists, including Francis' famous cousin Edward Bellamy) spread fascist symbolism in the United States first, and then globally. http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html The Bellamys wanted government to take over all schools. That is why a flag is over every school and in every classroom, accompanied by robotic chanting every morning for 12 years of every American child's life. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegianc...allegiance.jpg That behavior influenced Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts (from 1907) and other Americans who spread the USA's "Nazi" salute worldwide, and the swastika, and robotic chanting to flags in military formation. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-scouting.html The early salute to the flag in the Pledge of Allegiance was the notorious stiff-arm salute. The salute (and the robotic chanting to the flag) began in 1892 with Francis when he was a self-proclaimed American socialist in the Nationalism movement. It was adopted later by the National Socialist German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html The flag of the U.S. government is fasciate. The flag's 13 fasciae (bands or stripes) are red and white. The fasciated flag's authority and its early stiff-arm salute were reinforced by the U.S. government's use of the fasces symbol. The government still uses the fasces today. The fasces [fas-eez] symbol shows a bundle of rods banded or fastened around an ax with the blade projecting. The words "fasten" and "band" are used because they are related to the word "Fascism." The fasces symbolized how everyone was bound to the authoritarianism of ancient Rome. Here is another reason why the socialist role in Fascism is fascinating: "fascinating" means "spellbinding" (fastened or banded by a spell), making the words related to "fasces." The fascinating role of American socialists includes the Theosophical Society, Freemasons, swastika symbols and the spellbinding effect of socialist dogma for seducing groups and enslaving and killing millions of people worldwide. In rural Italy to this day a woman who suspects her husband of infidelity will consult a strega, who will give her a fascino, a charm to stop him from straying. Long ago, money was socialized in the U.S. (the Federal Reserve Act was imposed in 1913). The fasces is still commonly seen on some 25 cent coins. http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism2a.jpg In 1915, fasces appeared on an Indian head gold coin in the talons of an eagle. In 1916, fasces appeared on the Mercury dime. It was much later that the symbol was adopted by Mussolini when he was a well-known socialist leader. http://rexcurry.net/mussolini.html The fasces symbol appears in Congress http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism4a.jpg and is used in other government seals and symbols http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism3b.jpg The fasces is on the seal of the Rome Academy where Francis Bellamy (1855-1932) attended school. http://rexcurry.net/fascist-flag.jpg Francis resided in Rome, New York. The Rome Free Academy exists today and its seal continues to display two fasces. Many cities in the state of New York have names from classical history (Troy, Ithaca, Syracuse, Utica, Rome) and that is why New York is the "Empire State," a reference to the Roman empire, and origin of the term "Empire State Building" for New York City's famous landmark. The Pledge's right-arm salute was repeated in early movies containing fictional Roman scenes. Movies were new worldwide wonders that amazed and influenced everyone (including the socialist Mussolini in Italy and the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party). http://rexcurry.net/american-philolo...ation-apa.html All of the above contributed to the Roman salute myth (the myth that the stiff-arm salute was an ancient Roman salute), debunked by the etymologist Dr. Rex Curry (author of "Pledge of Allegiance Secrets"). http://rexcurry.net/roman-salute-met...um-of-art.html The stiff-armed American salute spread through various groups including the Theosophical Society and Freemasons that supported or were supported by Edward Bellamy and Francis Bellamy. In 1888, Edward Bellamy authored "Looking Backward" and it became an international bestseller, translated into every major language, including German and Italian. Bellamy's book was known as the bible of National Socialism and it inspired Nationalism movements worldwide. The Bellamy's touted "military socialism." Madame Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society, openly endorsed Bellamy's book. Her group worked with Bellamy's Nationalism movement. http://rexcurry.net/theosophy-madame...l-society.html The swastika symbol was used by the Theosophical Society (from 1875) during the time when the Bellamys, Freemasons and the Theosophical Society worked together to promote socialism. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html American socialists bear some blame for altering the notorious symbol used as overlapping S-letters for "socialism" under the National Socialist German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/swastika3clear.jpg As German socialism's notorious flag symbol, the swastika was deliberately turned 45 degrees to the horizontal and always oriented in the S-direction. Similar alphabetic symbolism is still visible as Volkswagen logos. http://rexcurry.net/swastika-audi-logo.JPG Near the same period, the well-known and long-time socialist Benito Mussolini began to mimick American socialists in their use of the stiff-arm salute, robotic chanting to flags, the use of the fasces as a symbol of government, and the glorification of ancient Rome (or myths about Rome). In 1921, Mussolini (who acquired his title "il duce" -leader- when he was known only as a socialist, long before his new f-word for socialist faction) created a new sub-group called Fasci di combattimento. The term "fascio" was the Italian word for workers' groups, peasant organizations, labor unions and the other socialist groups where Mussolini had developed a large following. It meant "band," or people banding together, and referred to his socialist band of combat. It is similar to the word "faction" in that Mussolini's group was another of many socialist-inspired factions. When Mussolini chose the ancient Roman fasces as a symbol of his socialist group, he was at the same time playing with the similarity of the words fascio and fasces, choosing an ancient symbol, and drawing a parallel between it and the socialists who had banded together, spellbound by Mussolini's leadership. Another well-known socialist at that time was the leader of the National Socialist Workers Party in Germany (Hitler acquired the title "Furher" -leader- when he fascinated socialist groups, long before others applied new terms to his socialism). He had expanded the name of the party from "German Workers Party" at the same time that the swastika was adopted to represent S-letters banded together and symbolizing socialists banding together as the NSDAP. http://rexcurry.net/swastika-hakenkr...ictionary.html An American socialist group supported German socialists, and it was named the "German-American Bund" (German American Band or "Faction"). Mussolini's evolution of the fasces is similar to Hitler's evolution of an old symbol, the hakenkreuz (hooked cross) into modern alphabetic symbolism as "S" letters for "socialism," as shown in Dr. Curry's work. http://rexcurry.net/fascism-third-re...wastika456.jpg In late 1937, Mussolini continued to work with other socialists, including the National Socialist German Workers Party. Mussolini visited Germany in 1937 and pledged himself to support the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. In 1939, the National Socialist German Workers' Party joined as allies with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to invade Poland in a pact to divide up Europe, spreading WWII. During the second of the Dark Ages, socialism (a.k.a. Fascism) became fashionable, with fancy military uniforms, marching parades, and flag waving adoration. It led to modern inquisitions and the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): 60 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 50 million under the Peoples' Republic of China; 20 million under the National Socialist German Workers' Party. The worst inquisitions were the modern inquisitions (the socialist inquisitions), and they were the deadliest. Socialism/Fascism became unfashionable. The Dark Age also refers to the period in Europe from the fall of Rome. The socialist Dark Age resulted from mimicking ancient Rome - and myths about Rome - as if to resurrect them. American socialists had revived the fasces (and the swastika) and what it represented: fastening, binding and enslaving individuals to a centralized leviathan. Socialism fastens everyone to involuntary government programs and modern slavery. It binds everyone to bureaucracy. America is still the worst example in the world of bizarre laws that lead robotic chanting to the fasciate federal flag in government schools (socialist schools) every day for 12 years of every child's life. It has changed generations of Americans from libertarians to authoritarians. The ax in the fasces represents the constant threat of violence toward all who desire freedom. |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:25:39 -0700, News Journalism wrote:
On Jun 17, 10:55 pm, Day Brown wrote: Barry wrote: Liberalfascismsounds like an oxymoron – or a term for conservatives to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer, none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells, who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really. So let me get this straight.... Since one asshole used the word fascism for its warlike unity of purpose connotations wen trying to organize some left wing moonbats we are supposed to utterly change the meaning of fascism and socialism so as to make them contemporary bedfellows. Is that about it? Your attempt to call political parties and political movements, other then latter day Republicans, "fascist" is noted. The Republican Party of the United States of America is the most similar organization to fascism of any and all groups on this planet. Labor unions are not fascist and are fundamentally opposed to the central ideals of fascism. The call for unity is not the hallmark of fascism any more than the call for freedom and liberty are the hallmark of pseudo capitalism. The call for unity exists in every form or organized endeavor. Let me pour in a new flavor and stir the pot. Women are taking over. Their use of the language is less academic and more accepting of the ambiguity of people, their ideologies, and organizations. However, they too suffer from group think and even worse political correctness. Which again, has not a damned thing to do with fascism. But consider where the rubber actually hits the road, in a court hearing for sanity, where they can present the drivel of insane rants to prove that a deviant thinker needs meds and better case management. It will not matter whether the government thinks it is liberal, conservative, or for that matter, fascist. This is not a trial by jury. You dont get an attorney. They get to pick the judge. If you respond with flaming rather than polite discourse of ideas you do not like, they will suggest this is typical for neurotics. Women are more aware of how men will corrupt any system you can design in order to get the perks and money for status symbols hoping for more sex with younger more attractive hotties. The history of matriarchic political and economic systems is obscure largely because patriarchic academia went along with what the scribes in the pay of an alpha male military elite wanted recorded. But whether the system was more socialistic or more capitalistic, we see a lower cost of management with relatively better conditions for the lower classes. American socialists spread fascism worldwide. Here we go again: The effort to paint the Republican party is something other than fascist by associating socialism with fascism. The actual definition of fascism tells us that fascism is the antithesis of socialism. But the conservatives and the latter day Republicans are doing all they can to redefine the word: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pgc.a...i-fascism.html -- ...Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. ------------------------------------------------------------ The above link and the excerpt are from an encyclopedia entry created by none other then Benito Mussolini in which he describes "fascism". Francis Bellamy (along with other American socialists, including Francis' famous cousin Edward Bellamy) spread fascist symbolism in the United States first, and then globally. http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html If you want to see some real serious brain damaged crap go to the top link of the stupidity http://rexcurry.net The newspeak dictionary project is alive and well. The Bellamys wanted government to take over all schools. That is why a flag is over every school and in every classroom, accompanied by robotic chanting every morning for 12 years of every American child's life. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegianc...allegiance.jpg That behavior influenced Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts (from 1907) and other Americans who spread the USA's "Nazi" salute worldwide, and the swastika, and robotic chanting to flags in military formation. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-scouting.html The early salute to the flag in the Pledge of Allegiance was the notorious stiff-arm salute. The salute (and the robotic chanting to the flag) began in 1892 with Francis when he was a self-proclaimed American socialist in the Nationalism movement. It was adopted later by the National Socialist German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html The flag of the U.S. government is fasciate. The flag's 13 fasciae (bands or stripes) are red and white. The fasciated flag's authority and its early stiff-arm salute were reinforced by the U.S. government's use of the fasces symbol. The government still uses the fasces today. The fasces [fas-eez] symbol shows a bundle of rods banded or fastened around an ax with the blade projecting. The words "fasten" and "band" are used because they are related to the word "Fascism." The fasces symbolized how everyone was bound to the authoritarianism of ancient Rome. Here is another reason why the socialist role in Fascism is fascinating: remaining stupidity deleted -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
A few years ago, some divorced Lezzies lived next door to me.They had
the ''group think'' for sure! I miss those Lezzies, those wimmins were a lot of fun to talk to.I learned some things from them I never knew before. cuhulin |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
A lotta guys dont get it. When you look into matriarchy and the faith in
the Great Earth Mother, aka Gaia, Potnia, Hera, Juno, Venus, Dianna, Astarte, Sophia, Aphrodite, Freya, Brigit... and many more, you find out there are so many names cause nobody went to war over what the name should be. They didnt have jackasses trying to define terms for everyone else; it was a system built on consensus. And we see them in the postings all the time, with their own definitions of terms so they can have strawmen. Its one of the problems going on in Iran right now. Any top down system, be it fascism, socialism, capitalism, communism, or whatever is in trouble because the party line can no longer be sold without being taken apart in venues like this line by line, to see what it says, and what it fails to say. |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
On 21 June, 16:03, Michael Coburn wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:25:39 -0700, News Journalism wrote: On Jun 17, 10:55 pm, Day Brown wrote: Barry wrote: Liberalfascismsounds like an oxymoron – or a term for conservatives to insult liberals. Actually, it was coined by a socialist writer, none other than the respected and influential left-winger H.G. Wells, who in 1931 called on fellow progressives to become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis." Really. So let me get this straight.... *Since one asshole used the word fascism for its warlike unity of purpose connotations wen trying to organize some left wing moonbats we are supposed to utterly change the meaning of fascism and socialism so as to make them contemporary bedfellows. *Is that about it? Wells wasn't an "asshole", but a very intelligent man. But, yes, that's about it. He was interested in the tactical use of force to bring about his ideals, but that's as far as it went. He was repelled by the actual fascist ideology. Goldberg has found this rather arcane and forgotton episode from the 1930s and re-fashioned it for his own purposes. Your attempt to call political parties and political movements, other then latter day Republicans, "fascist" is noted. *The Republican Party of the United States of America is the most similar organization to fascism of any and all groups on this planet. *Labor unions are not fascist and are fundamentally opposed to the central ideals of fascism. *The call for unity is not the hallmark of fascism any more than the call for freedom and liberty are the hallmark of pseudo capitalism. *The call for unity exists in every form or organized endeavor. I don't think that your Republican leaders are fascists. But I do think that they are very stupid.... Dr. Barry Worthington * Let me pour in a new flavor and stir the pot. Women are taking over. Their use of the language is less academic and more accepting of the ambiguity of people, their ideologies, and organizations. However, they too suffer from group think and even worse political correctness. Which again, has not a damned thing to do with fascism. But consider where the rubber actually hits the road, in a court hearing for sanity, where they can present the drivel of insane rants to prove that a deviant thinker needs meds and better case management. It will not matter whether the government thinks it is liberal, conservative, or for that matter, fascist. This is not a trial by jury. You dont get an attorney. They get to pick the judge. If you respond with flaming rather than polite discourse of ideas you do not like, they will suggest this is typical for neurotics.. Women are more aware of how men will corrupt any system you can design in order to get the perks and money for status symbols hoping for more sex with younger more attractive hotties. The history of matriarchic political and economic systems is obscure largely because patriarchic academia went along with what the scribes in the pay of an alpha male military elite wanted recorded. But whether the system was more socialistic or more capitalistic, we see a lower cost of management with relatively better conditions for the lower classes. *American socialists spread fascism worldwide. Here we go again: * The effort to paint the Republican party is something other than fascist by associating socialism with fascism. *The actual definition of fascism tells us that fascism is the antithesis of socialism. *But the conservatives and the latter day Republicans are doing all they can to redefine the word: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pgc.a...fascism.html-- ..Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. ------------------------------------------------------------ *The above link and the excerpt are from an encyclopedia entry created by none other then Benito Mussolini in which he describes "fascism". Francis Bellamy (along with other American socialists, including Francis' famous cousin Edward Bellamy) spread fascist symbolism in the United States first, and then globally.http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html If you want to see some real serious brain damaged crap go to the top link of the stupidity *http://rexcurry.net* The newspeak dictionary project is alive and well. The Bellamys wanted government to take over all schools. That is why a flag is over every school and in every classroom, accompanied by robotic chanting every morning for 12 years of every American child's life. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegianc...allegiance.jpg That behavior influenced Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts (from 1907) and other Americans who spread the USA's "Nazi" salute worldwide, and the swastika, and robotic chanting to flags in military formation. http://rexcurry.net/pledge-of-allegiance-scouting.html The early salute to the flag in the Pledge of Allegiance was the notorious stiff-arm salute. The salute (and the robotic chanting to the flag) began in 1892 with Francis when he was a self-proclaimed American socialist in the Nationalism movement. It was adopted later by the National Socialist German Workers Party. http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html The flag of the U.S. government is fasciate. The flag's 13 fasciae (bands or stripes) are red and white. The fasciated flag's authority and its early stiff-arm salute were reinforced by the U.S. government's use of the fasces symbol. The government still uses the fasces today. The fasces [fas-eez] symbol shows a bundle of rods banded or fastened around an ax with the blade projecting. The words "fasten" and "band" are used because they are related to the word "Fascism." *The fasces symbolized how everyone was bound to the authoritarianism of ancient Rome. Here is another reason why the socialist role in Fascism is fascinating: remaining stupidity deleted -- "Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Day Brown wrote:
A lotta guys dont get it. When you look into matriarchy and the faith in the Great Earth Mother, aka Gaia, Potnia, Hera, Juno, Venus, Dianna, Astarte, Sophia, Aphrodite, Freya, Brigit... and many more, you find out there are so many names cause nobody went to war over what the name should be. They didnt have jackasses trying to define terms for everyone else; it was a system built on consensus. And we see them in the postings all the time, with their own definitions of terms so they can have strawmen. Its one of the problems going on in Iran right now. Any top down system, be it fascism, socialism, capitalism, communism, or whatever is in trouble because the party line can no longer be sold without being taken apart in venues like this line by line, to see what it says, and what it fails to say. Hence libertarian socialism. |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
California Collapsing.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=267450 Article links to http://moneyandmarkets.com y'all Californians can thank the dems and libs for that.Not only in California, but also all over America. cuhulin |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
dave wrote:
Day Brown wrote: A lotta guys dont get it. When you look into matriarchy and the faith in the Great Earth Mother, aka Gaia, Potnia, Hera, Juno, Venus, Dianna, Astarte, Sophia, Aphrodite, Freya, Brigit... and many more, you find out there are so many names cause nobody went to war over what the name should be. They didnt have jackasses trying to define terms for everyone else; it was a system built on consensus. And we see them in the postings all the time, with their own definitions of terms so they can have strawmen. Its one of the problems going on in Iran right now. Any top down system, be it fascism, socialism, capitalism, communism, or whatever is in trouble because the party line can no longer be sold without being taken apart in venues like this line by line, to see what it says, and what it fails to say. Hence libertarian socialism. That sounds like an oxymoron. Like wanting a big military, but a small government. Shrinks call it cognitive dissonance. |
Fascism's Legacy: Liberalism
On Jun 16, 5:27*am, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
wrote: On 16 June, 00:31, Barry wrote: Liberal fascism sounds like an oxymoron It doesn't 'sound like' an oxymoron....it is one! They're still pushing Goldbergs imbecilic claim that Mussolini's "Ultimate merging of state and corporate power" is liberal. Well, somebody forgot to tell the Republicans, because that was the meaning of life for them for the last eight years. Letting corporations run an extremely militaristic government while letting them set policy, carry out wars-for-profit, letting them write their own legislation and then letting them sponge off the taxpayers after they looted the country is not even distantly related to that capitalism hating liberalism we're always hearing about and being accused of fostering. It should also be noted that the same people pushing this line of BS are simultaneously calling Obama a Marxist. This isn't even worth arguing about. It's just another piece of right wing driftwood, like "The Holocaust museum shooter was a liberal" or "Obama is a secret Muslim." |
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