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(OT) No more land line phone lines in America.
I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his
sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin |
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On Sep 27, 7:55*pm, wrote:
I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin Yes there will. |
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"dave" wrote in message .. . wrote: I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin I have an old school phone line. I have measured service for $6.50/month. You want a copper pair if you can get one, especially if you're getting old and live alone. 9-1-1 isn't reliable any other way. They still have to maintain landlines for their ADSL and TV over phone line services. Don't believe for a minute that they will toss out their cash cow(s). |
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On 9/28/09 01:25 , Brenda Ann wrote:
wrote in message .. . wrote: I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin I have an old school phone line. I have measured service for $6.50/month. You want a copper pair if you can get one, especially if you're getting old and live alone. 9-1-1 isn't reliable any other way. They still have to maintain landlines for their ADSL and TV over phone line services. Don't believe for a minute that they will toss out their cash cow(s). They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. The intent is eventually to have fibre installed to the house. ATT sent representatives into my neighborhood going door to door to inform customers that they were removing copper pair, and suggesting that all customers move to U-Verse. I told them to pound sand. I was informed that my copper would remain intact for the time being. But that it was to be phased out in the coming year and I would have no choice but to install a ComCast or U-Verse bundle. When I informed them I had a T-1 and was not interested in either cable or their data service, I was told in no uncertain terms that I don't get a choice in the matter when the time comes. And that landline service would ONLY be available with a cable-internet bundle. |
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"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message ... On 9/28/09 01:25 , Brenda Ann wrote: wrote in message .. . wrote: I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin I have an old school phone line. I have measured service for $6.50/month. You want a copper pair if you can get one, especially if you're getting old and live alone. 9-1-1 isn't reliable any other way. They still have to maintain landlines for their ADSL and TV over phone line services. Don't believe for a minute that they will toss out their cash cow(s). They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. The intent is eventually to have fibre installed to the house. ATT sent representatives into my neighborhood going door to door to inform customers that they were removing copper pair, and suggesting that all customers move to U-Verse. I told them to pound sand. I was informed that my copper would remain intact for the time being. But that it was to be phased out in the coming year and I would have no choice but to install a ComCast or U-Verse bundle. When I informed them I had a T-1 and was not interested in either cable or their data service, I was told in no uncertain terms that I don't get a choice in the matter when the time comes. And that landline service would ONLY be available with a cable-internet bundle. Sounds like time to contact your state's Public Utilities commission or equivalent. Phone service is a publicly regulated utility, and I'm pretty sure all state and federal law says they can't force you to take other services you do not want or need. |
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D. Peter Maus wrote:
They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. The intent is eventually to have fibre installed to the house. ATT sent representatives into my neighborhood going door to door to inform customers that they were removing copper pair, and suggesting that all customers move to U-Verse. I told them to pound sand. I was informed that my copper would remain intact for the time being. But that it was to be phased out in the coming year and I would have no choice but to install a ComCast or U-Verse bundle. When I informed them I had a T-1 and was not interested in either cable or their data service, I was told in no uncertain terms that I don't get a choice in the matter when the time comes. And that landline service would ONLY be available with a cable-internet bundle. Yet another reason to stay with copper all the way to the C.O.: Power. With copper, you get talk battery from the C.O. and the C.O. has a large battery supply and a Diesel turbine/generator to keep those batteries charged -- and keep your phone service going when you need 9-1-1. If you get phone service from the U-verse V-rad (video remote access device) or from a neighborhood SLC (subscriber loop carrier), you only have a few hours of local battery until you lose dial tone. If you have a -localized- power failure, the telco can dispatch someone with new batteries or a temporary generator. However, if it is a MAJOR power failure like we had a few years ago, there aren't enough employees with generators to go around. You are screwed, while the guy on copper still has service. |
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D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/28/09 01:25 , Brenda Ann wrote: wrote in message .. . wrote: I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin I have an old school phone line. I have measured service for $6.50/month. You want a copper pair if you can get one, especially if you're getting old and live alone. 9-1-1 isn't reliable any other way. They still have to maintain landlines for their ADSL and TV over phone line services. Don't believe for a minute that they will toss out their cash cow(s). They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. U Verse is twisted pair from a box in your neighborhood. Fiber to the Node. |
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On 9/28/09 03:06 , Brenda Ann wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message ... On 9/28/09 01:25 , Brenda Ann wrote: wrote in message .. . wrote: I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin I have an old school phone line. I have measured service for $6.50/month. You want a copper pair if you can get one, especially if you're getting old and live alone. 9-1-1 isn't reliable any other way. They still have to maintain landlines for their ADSL and TV over phone line services. Don't believe for a minute that they will toss out their cash cow(s). They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. The intent is eventually to have fibre installed to the house. ATT sent representatives into my neighborhood going door to door to inform customers that they were removing copper pair, and suggesting that all customers move to U-Verse. I told them to pound sand. I was informed that my copper would remain intact for the time being. But that it was to be phased out in the coming year and I would have no choice but to install a ComCast or U-Verse bundle. When I informed them I had a T-1 and was not interested in either cable or their data service, I was told in no uncertain terms that I don't get a choice in the matter when the time comes. And that landline service would ONLY be available with a cable-internet bundle. Sounds like time to contact your state's Public Utilities commission or equivalent. Phone service is a publicly regulated utility, and I'm pretty sure all state and federal law says they can't force you to take other services you do not want or need. My thinking, exactly. However, Verizon has been doing this for two years, now, without action. ATT has been doing it for a year in this area, without action. Comcast has been doing it since they started offering phone service. And without action. Either they're exploiting a loophole in the public utilities laws, or the PUC simply can't be motivated to take action. I've written letters. Made phone calls. I'm not taking this without a scrap. And I've got the same advantage that Chris Condon had in the 70's when SWB attempted to jack his mother's rates by 400% when the company unilaterally did away with party lines in southeast Missouri: I'm Media. |
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On 9/28/09 06:24 , Nick Danger wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote: They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. The intent is eventually to have fibre installed to the house. ATT sent representatives into my neighborhood going door to door to inform customers that they were removing copper pair, and suggesting that all customers move to U-Verse. I told them to pound sand. I was informed that my copper would remain intact for the time being. But that it was to be phased out in the coming year and I would have no choice but to install a ComCast or U-Verse bundle. When I informed them I had a T-1 and was not interested in either cable or their data service, I was told in no uncertain terms that I don't get a choice in the matter when the time comes. And that landline service would ONLY be available with a cable-internet bundle. Yet another reason to stay with copper all the way to the C.O.: Power. With copper, you get talk battery from the C.O. and the C.O. has a large battery supply and a Diesel turbine/generator to keep those batteries charged -- and keep your phone service going when you need 9-1-1. If you get phone service from the U-verse V-rad (video remote access device) or from a neighborhood SLC (subscriber loop carrier), you only have a few hours of local battery until you lose dial tone. If you have a -localized- power failure, the telco can dispatch someone with new batteries or a temporary generator. However, if it is a MAJOR power failure like we had a few years ago, there aren't enough employees with generators to go around. You are screwed, while the guy on copper still has service. Precisely my thinking. Even my T-1 has battery voltage on it, to power the SmartJack. It's unconscionable that local phone would be so dependent on local power. |
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That divorced Bell South woman who used to live next door to me a few
years ago, and she moved back to Natchez.(can't blame her for that!) She gave me her cell phone number when she used to live next door.I didn't ask her for her cell phone number.I will see can I phone her tonight and ask her. Thingy is though, she also gave her cell phone number to some kids (brats) who used to live across the street from doggy's couch.She once told me those damn kids were bugging the hell out of her, calling her on her cell phone.I suppose she has changed her cell phone number since then. www.devilfinder.com Julie Emerick Bell South cuhulin |
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D. Peter Maus wrote:
snip They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. This was recently discussed in comp.dcom.telecom and the consensus was that such assertions were FUD. Please consider providing some evidence of this practice, and also consider contributing your observations to the appropriate threads in comp.dcom.telecom. Observations by yourself or third parties and photographic evidence may be useful in PUC proceedings. Michael |
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On 9/28/09 11:55 , msg wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote: snip They're moving to bundled voice-internet-TV. When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. In many cases, if possible, they remove the drop line from the pole, so the pair can't be reactivated. Verizon cuts the copper when they install FiOS. Comcast cuts ATT's copper when they install their bundle. This was recently discussed in comp.dcom.telecom and the consensus was that such assertions were FUD. Please consider providing some evidence of this practice, and also consider contributing your observations to the appropriate threads in comp.dcom.telecom. Observations by yourself or third parties and photographic evidence may be useful in PUC proceedings. Michael My statements have been based on personal observations of the 'installation' process in my neighborhood. Comcast definitely cuts the copper. Verizon's website has a notation in it's FiOS FAQ about it. ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the drop from the building. ATT reps are hitting me up monthly to make the conversion, and to motivate me, the statements noted were made. If that's FUD, which it may be, given the source, there is support in my observations of the installations I've had experience with. I'll be taking photos where I can during an installation. Video, if I can get into a position for meaningful context. |
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dave wrote:
U Verse is twisted pair from a box in your neighborhood. Fiber to the Node. Well, sorta correct. Twisted pair (copper) back to the V-rad or SLC. (~ 3.5 kilofoot limitation for U-verse service). Then fiber back to the C.O. (central office), not "node". |
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D. Peter Maus wrote:
ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the drop from the building. This is quite puzzling...what did they replace the drop with? Another piece of copper? Fiber? Or, when you say "building", do you mean a large apartment complex, large enough to support/justify its own V-rad? The "standard" U-verse architecture is copper from the home to the V-rad. I guess it's possible that in some parts of the country, they are running fiber to the home (although for years, that has not proven to be cost effective due to the optical to electrical conversion required at each and every house). |
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On 9/28/09 13:30 , Nick Danger wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote: ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the drop from the building. This is quite puzzling...what did they replace the drop with? Another piece of copper? Fiber? Or, when you say "building", do you mean a large apartment complex, large enough to support/justify its own V-rad? Building--The house. Private residence. They ran a data line, removed the analog copper. Replaced one drop with another. The installer said the goal is eventually to connect fibre to the building. The "standard" U-verse architecture is copper from the home to the V-rad. I guess it's possible that in some parts of the country, they are running fiber to the home (although for years, that has not proven to be cost effective due to the optical to electrical conversion required at each and every house). That's what Verizon is doing with FiOS, and ATT is doing in some areas. |
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I just came back from camping where cellphone reception does not work.
Only a landline. The good news though, DX reception on shortwave was incredible at this location. (remote western South Carolina) |
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When the divorced Bell South woman put her house next door to me up for
sale and she moved back to Natchez, twice I phoned her cell phone number (in Natchez, (Actually, she lives in an area by the name of Old River, near Natchez) something about her house.Each time, she said, Hang on, let me get in a better cell phone signal area. She once showed me a couple of cell phone camera photos she took of the area where she lives,,, It is BEAUTIFULL.Moss on the trees, just like my half acre of land I own in Interlachen Lakes, Florida. cuhulin |
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Another thingy about those Damn cell phones, Radiation levels.I just now
clicked on www.techchee.com If y'all wants to check it out? cuhulin |
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D. Peter Maus wrote: ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the drop from the building. On 9/28/09 13:30 , Nick Danger wrote: This is quite puzzling...what did they replace the drop with? Another piece of copper? Fiber? Or, when you say "building", do you mean a large apartment complex, large enough to support/justify its own V-rad? D. Peter Maus wrote: Building--The house. Private residence. They ran a data line, removed the analog copper. Replaced one drop with another. Huh? Ran a "data line"? Whatever do you mean by that? You really haven't addressed the issue or defined the problem. Do you mean a -fiber- "data line" or a -copper- "data line"? You seemed to be all in a tizzy that they "cut the copper". When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. It sounds to me that they just replaced it with another piece of copper. If they were just replacing the old drop (which may have been defective, full of squirrel bites or whatever) with a new drop, what's the problem with that? |
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On 9/28/09 16:58 , Nick Danger wrote:
D. Peter Maus wrote: ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the drop from the building. On 9/28/09 13:30 , Nick Danger wrote: This is quite puzzling...what did they replace the drop with? Another piece of copper? Fiber? Or, when you say "building", do you mean a large apartment complex, large enough to support/justify its own V-rad? D. Peter Maus wrote: Building--The house. Private residence. They ran a data line, removed the analog copper. Replaced one drop with another. Huh? Ran a "data line"? Whatever do you mean by that? You really haven't addressed the issue or defined the problem. Do you mean a -fiber- "data line" or a -copper- "data line"? Replaced twisted pair with Cat 6. In other areas, they're replacing twisted pair with fibre. You seemed to be all in a tizzy that they "cut the copper". When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. It sounds to me that they just replaced it with another piece of copper. If they were just replacing the old drop (which may have been defective, full of squirrel bites or whatever) with a new drop, what's the problem with that? You're being obtuse. Maybe this will help: They removed the analog phone line. And replaced it with part of a digital voice, data, tv bundle. No analog phone. Period. |
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You're being obtuse. Maybe this will help: They removed the analog phone line. And replaced it with part of a digital voice, data, tv bundle. No analog phone. Period. Now THERE'S your problem! Nothing digital is ever reliable to the extent that the analog it replaces is/was. About the closest they get is CD/mp3 audio, which is fairly reliable, but each has drawbacks. Even if you got no electricity or batteries, you could still play a vinyl (or bakelite or whatever) record... all this fanciful digital hoo-haw will fail us when we need it most. Sure, it's nice to be able to lug around a lifetime's music collection on a device smaller than a pack of cigarettes.. but.. |
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D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/28/09 16:58 , Nick Danger wrote: D. Peter Maus wrote: ATT has so far presented no documents relating to this, but when my g/f had her U-Verse installed, they cut the copper and removed the drop from the building. On 9/28/09 13:30 , Nick Danger wrote: This is quite puzzling...what did they replace the drop with? Another piece of copper? Fiber? Or, when you say "building", do you mean a large apartment complex, large enough to support/justify its own V-rad? D. Peter Maus wrote: Building--The house. Private residence. They ran a data line, removed the analog copper. Replaced one drop with another. Huh? Ran a "data line"? Whatever do you mean by that? You really haven't addressed the issue or defined the problem. Do you mean a -fiber- "data line" or a -copper- "data line"? Replaced twisted pair with Cat 6. So? Cat 6 IS copper "twisted pair", albeit with a very tight twist. In other areas, they're replacing twisted pair with fibre. They are replacing a lot of -trunk- cable with fiber. As stated previously, I would be surprised if they are feeding each and every home with fiber due to the great expense of providing an optical to electrical conversion at each house. You seemed to be all in a tizzy that they "cut the copper". When ATT installs U-Verse, around here, the first thing they do is cut the copper. It sounds to me that they just replaced it with another piece of copper. If they were just replacing the old drop (which may have been defective, full of squirrel bites or whatever) with a new drop, what's the problem with that? You're being obtuse. Maybe this will help: They removed the analog phone line. To be correct, eliminate confusion and be less obtuse, you should have stated that they were removing analog phone *service*, not 'line'. A Cat 6 'line' will work just fine for analog service. As a presumably technical person, I'm sure you can appreciate the value of using the correct terminology and providing a clear description of the problem. And replaced it with part of a digital voice, data, tv bundle. As stated by another poster, this would seem to be grounds for going to your state utilities commission. No analog phone. Period. By "digital voice" and "no analog phone", do you mean they are FORCING you to use VOIP (voice over internet protocol), the only kind of 'digital' voice provided by the telco.? If so, off to the Commission. |
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What does/what will all of that mean for people who use dial up
computers/internet access? WebTV is dial up too. cuhulin |
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On 9/28/09 20:19 , Nick Danger wrote:
As a presumably technical person, I'm sure you can appreciate the value of using the correct terminology and providing a clear description of the problem. Using the terminology of the phone company is apparently not good enough for you. AT&T, Engineering. I still have my badge holder and lanyard from 1010 Pine. Good evening, Gav. The thread is yours. |
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When I posted this thread here, I also posted it in one of the WebTV
computer newsgroups.Somebody over there called it horse hocky.That same person said I am an alarmist and I post more manure than a team of Clydesdales in a day. That part (more manure in a day) seems apt to me. Move over Blueberry doggy, it's past our bedtime.You wants a cookie? WOO WOO WOOF! cuhulin |
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On 28 Wrz, 01:55, wrote:
I was talking to my old buddy on the phone this afternoon.One of his sons works for Bell South (at&t) here in Jackson, he is a Techinal Engineer at the phone company. He said in a year, there will be no more land lines phone lines in America.When I asked him, Why? He said becouse so many people nowadays have cell phones and land line maintnance has gotten too expensive for the phone companies. What a Ca - tas - toe - strope! ~ Jimmy Durante. cuhulin |
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Neki Hoki, no more corpus delecti ~ Flat Top,,, the old Dick Tracy comic
books I used to read wayyyyyyy back in the 1950s Wayback Machine. cuhulin |
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Nick Danger wrote:
dave wrote: U Verse is twisted pair from a box in your neighborhood. Fiber to the Node. Well, sorta correct. Twisted pair (copper) back to the V-rad or SLC. (~ 3.5 kilofoot limitation for U-verse service). Then fiber back to the C.O. (central office), not "node". # Fiber-to-the-cabinet or fiber-to-the-curb (both abbreviated as FTTC, although FTTCab is sometimes also used) - fiber is terminated in a street cabinet typically closer than 300m of the customer premises, with the final connection being copper. # Fiber-to-the-node (FTTN) - this is very similar to FTTC, but the street cabinet is further away from the user's premises; it can be up to several kilometers away. -wikipedia |
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