HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
On 12/18/09 11:57 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 24:04 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:22 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 14:41 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote: "Bob wrote in message news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra... If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to ditch the gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal value in the used market. Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll probably be an HD station. ...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction with the improvements that technology brings. So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that respond) say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is known as a forum for whiners? Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and the near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running. There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it took nearly 20 years to go away. But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can enjoy it from the get go. With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only listen to certain stations. HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls. The uptake is slow... So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW, AM, FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio. the technology is flawed Debatable. and the implementation is poor. Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an HD radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo "marketplace solution".) But the investment has been spectacular. In the scheme of things, not really. As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge. Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points. No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the ancillary AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point. Like I said. Nice dodge. Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit. Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message, But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it. When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to get called on it, yes. When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should expect to get called on it. But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless points endlessly. ;-) No, that's your specialty. Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus. Run along and go find Telemon to play with. Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity. Whatever happened to Telamon? He disappeared a few days after Eduardo vanished. And I thought I was in a meaningless thread. You are....and looking forward to you extending it's life forever.....and ever... No, only herpes is forever. We'll see....not bad...a response in under :60 seconds. I have a fast wireless in the bathroom. Wouldn't want to keep this thread from dicussing anything meaningful. You've not discussed anything meaningful so far, so I think you can call it a hit. Nor have you....yet you continue to post. Actually, I did. You simply elected not to address it. But then again, thats what we expect from you. Said the pot. |
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HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 11:57 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 24:04 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:22 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 14:41 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote: "Bob wrote in message news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra... If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to ditch the gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal value in the used market. Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll probably be an HD station. ...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction with the improvements that technology brings. So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that respond) say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is known as a forum for whiners? Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and the near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running. There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it took nearly 20 years to go away. But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can enjoy it from the get go. With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only listen to certain stations. HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls. The uptake is slow... So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW, AM, FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio. the technology is flawed Debatable. and the implementation is poor. Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an HD radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo "marketplace solution".) But the investment has been spectacular. In the scheme of things, not really. As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge. Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points. No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the ancillary AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point. Like I said. Nice dodge. Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit. Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message, But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it. When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to get called on it, yes. When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should expect to get called on it. But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless points endlessly. ;-) No, that's your specialty. Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus. Run along and go find Telemon to play with. Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity. Whatever happened to Telamon? He disappeared a few days after Eduardo vanished. And I thought I was in a meaningless thread. You are....and looking forward to you extending it's life forever.....and ever... No, only herpes is forever. We'll see....not bad...a response in under :60 seconds. I have a fast wireless in the bathroom. Wouldn't want to keep this thread from dicussing anything meaningful. You've not discussed anything meaningful so far, so I think you can call it a hit. Nor have you....yet you continue to post. Actually, I did. You simply elected not to address it. But then again, thats what we expect from you. Said the pot. to the troll. |
Larry the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
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HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
On 12/18/09 13:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 11:57 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 24:04 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:22 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 14:41 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote: "Bob wrote in message news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra... If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to ditch the gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal value in the used market. Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll probably be an HD station. ...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction with the improvements that technology brings. So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that respond) say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is known as a forum for whiners? Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and the near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running. There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it took nearly 20 years to go away. But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can enjoy it from the get go. With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only listen to certain stations. HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls. The uptake is slow... So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW, AM, FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio. the technology is flawed Debatable. and the implementation is poor. Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an HD radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo "marketplace solution".) But the investment has been spectacular. In the scheme of things, not really. As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge. Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points. No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the ancillary AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point. Like I said. Nice dodge. Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit. Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message, But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it. When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to get called on it, yes. When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should expect to get called on it. But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless points endlessly. ;-) No, that's your specialty. Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus. Run along and go find Telemon to play with. Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity. Whatever happened to Telamon? He disappeared a few days after Eduardo vanished. And I thought I was in a meaningless thread. You are....and looking forward to you extending it's life forever.....and ever... No, only herpes is forever. We'll see....not bad...a response in under :60 seconds. I have a fast wireless in the bathroom. Wouldn't want to keep this thread from dicussing anything meaningful. You've not discussed anything meaningful so far, so I think you can call it a hit. Nor have you....yet you continue to post. Actually, I did. You simply elected not to address it. But then again, thats what we expect from you. Said the pot. to the troll. You appear to have lost relevance some 22 transactions ago. If you'd like to actually address my point, we can return to something that begins to resemble a discussion, again. Your call. |
HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 13:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 11:57 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 24:04 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:22 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 14:41 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote: "Bob wrote in message news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra... If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to ditch the gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal value in the used market. Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll probably be an HD station. ...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction with the improvements that technology brings. So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that respond) say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is known as a forum for whiners? Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and the near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running. There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it took nearly 20 years to go away. But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can enjoy it from the get go. With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only listen to certain stations. HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls. The uptake is slow... So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW, AM, FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio. the technology is flawed Debatable. and the implementation is poor. Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an HD radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo "marketplace solution".) But the investment has been spectacular. In the scheme of things, not really. As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge. Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points. No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the ancillary AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point. Like I said. Nice dodge. Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit. Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message, But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it. When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to get called on it, yes. When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should expect to get called on it. But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless points endlessly. ;-) No, that's your specialty. Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus. Run along and go find Telemon to play with. Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity. Whatever happened to Telamon? He disappeared a few days after Eduardo vanished. And I thought I was in a meaningless thread. You are....and looking forward to you extending it's life forever.....and ever... No, only herpes is forever. We'll see....not bad...a response in under :60 seconds. I have a fast wireless in the bathroom. Wouldn't want to keep this thread from dicussing anything meaningful. You've not discussed anything meaningful so far, so I think you can call it a hit. Nor have you....yet you continue to post. Actually, I did. You simply elected not to address it. But then again, thats what we expect from you. Said the pot. to the troll. You appear to have lost relevance some 22 transactions ago. Yet, you are still responding. Amazing! If you'd like to actually address my point, we can return to something that begins to resemble a discussion, again. I addressed your point. You just weren't happy with the way they were addressed. Your call. Pong! |
HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
On 12/18/09 14:13 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
"D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 13:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 11:57 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/18/09 24:04 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:30 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 15:22 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 14:41 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 13:03 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/17/09 24:15 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:38 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 14:26 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/16/09 13:48 , fdgdfgfdg wrote: "D. Peter wrote in message ... On 12/15/09 17:35 , Brenda Ann wrote: "Bob wrote in message news:4b2a08da.2108125@chupacabra... If HD is really the loser some would have us believe, it will still linger because the stations that already have it won't have any incentive to ditch the gear they've acquired, because it wouldn't bring much beyond scrap metal value in the used market. Of course whenever I listen to the table radio in the other room it'll probably be an HD station. ...and any listener feedback from me will likely reflect my satisfaction with the improvements that technology brings. So what's a station GM to do, keep what some listeners (the ones that respond) say they like, or listen to a few querulous snivelers on usenet which is known as a forum for whiners? Neither. They'll look at the dismal sales curve for the receivers and the near zero Arbitron ratings for their IBOC streams and eventually conclude that it isn't worth the extra electricity to keep the IBOC running. There's still the matter of investment. With well into 6 figures for a single station, manglement, investors, and corporate interests will not simply let it die and go away. Like AM stereo, which actually worked, it took nearly 20 years to go away. But, UNlike AM stereo, which had a "marketplace based" approach and competing standards all on the air at once....HD Radio standard has been chosen. There is no battle among the formats on the air. Listeners can enjoy it from the get go. With AM Stereo, one had to decide which system to buy...and then could only listen to certain stations. HD learned from that fiasco...and is avoinding the pitfalls. The uptake is slow... So? It's not in a race? Apathy is everywhere in radio, satelite, SW, AM, FM, HD. Consumers aren't rushing to do anything with radio. the technology is flawed Debatable. and the implementation is poor. Implementation is pretty good! Consumers in most places can pick up an HD radio and start enjoying it immediately. (Unlike the AM Stereo "marketplace solution".) But the investment has been spectacular. In the scheme of things, not really. As Mrs Iacocca said: Nice Dodge. Not a dodge, it was an answer to your points. No, it wasn't. You answered nothing. You simply dismissed the ancillary AM Stereo comparisons. And then, deleted the point. Like I said. Nice dodge. Not at all...if you open your mind and think a bit. Oh, yeah,...you're right. I'll get some fox entrails so I can divine your meaning. Since you deleted the actual point of my message, But then again, your reputation is to always want the last word and argue meaningless points endlessly, so I should expect it. When you delete the point and argue the trivia, you should expect to get called on it, yes. When there is no point, and people ignore the diatribe....you should expect to get called on it. But feel free to try to get in the last word, and argue meaningless points endlessly. ;-) No, that's your specialty. Here we go! Your repurtation preceeds you maus. Run along and go find Telemon to play with. Either that or find a meaninless thread you canextend in perpetuity. Whatever happened to Telamon? He disappeared a few days after Eduardo vanished. And I thought I was in a meaningless thread. You are....and looking forward to you extending it's life forever.....and ever... No, only herpes is forever. We'll see....not bad...a response in under :60 seconds. I have a fast wireless in the bathroom. Wouldn't want to keep this thread from dicussing anything meaningful. You've not discussed anything meaningful so far, so I think you can call it a hit. Nor have you....yet you continue to post. Actually, I did. You simply elected not to address it. But then again, thats what we expect from you. Said the pot. to the troll. You appear to have lost relevance some 22 transactions ago. Yet, you are still responding. Amazing! Hey, I can last as long as you can. If you'd like to actually address my point, we can return to something that begins to resemble a discussion, again. I addressed your point. You just weren't happy with the way they were addressed. No, actually you deleted the point. You addressed items that weren't being argued. So, again, you want to address the point...we can return this to a meaningful discussion. |
HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
If you'd like to actually address my point, we can return to something that begins to resemble a discussion, again. I addressed your point. You just weren't happy with the way they were addressed. No, actually you deleted the point. If I deleted it, it was a point that I didn't feel needed addressing. You addressed items that weren't being argued. Then why are you responding. Oh, that's right! Your Maus...who has to get in the last word and argue insigniifcant things ad nauseum.... So, again, you want to address the point...we can return this to a meaningful discussion. I addressed the points I felt needed addressing. If you want to continue this thread to infinity and beyond...it's up to you. |
HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
On 12/18/09 14:29 , fdgdfgfdg wrote:
If you'd like to actually address my point, we can return to something that begins to resemble a discussion, again. I addressed your point. You just weren't happy with the way they were addressed. No, actually you deleted the point. If I deleted it, it was a point that I didn't feel needed addressing. It was the point of the conversation. You deleted it and took the conversation way from IBOC and made it about AM Stereo. I made a an AM stereo reference as a comparartive. My point was about IBOC. You deleted it. And addressed items that weren't being argued. Then why are you responding. Oh, that's right! Your Maus...who has to get in the last word and argue insigniifcant things ad nauseum.... Yeah....I"m the problem. You were so attentive to details you failed to miss that I was actually on your side of the issue. Go back and re-read. When you get to my actual point, let me know. |
HD makes the list. The decade's 30 biggest tech flops
On Dec 16, 7:18*pm, HD Radio Farce wrote:
But, HD Radio at least doubles their power bills, requires on-going troubleshooting, and there are on-going fees to iBiquity. i would think stations, as radio groups declare bankruptcy, will eventually pull the plug.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In most cases, HD does not even increase the power bill of a transmitter plant by 10%... often much less. And the licence fee, which is market based, is minimal. Many stations have leased HD3 channels for specialized programming, and are making money on that. Only one significant group is approaching bankruptcy, and it is unlikely that their FM HDs will be turned off. |
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