GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

I was listening to Joe Paggs this morning, who I love to listen to,
but who is as stubborn as a mule (in a good way) about the issues,
talk about a hospital denying employment to people that smoke, try to
spin the issue as some kind of debate about liberty.

This issue has nothing to do with liberty of citizens, this has to do
with the ability of a company to have the liberty to experience its
employees being competitive. To boil this down really quick, most
medical professions require a certain amount of continuing education
on a yearly basis, and many hospitals pay for that expense.

Why should they invest in you, as an employee, if they know 15 years
from now you the chances of you going to become unreliable, and sick,
because of smoking? Why can't the employer just say, hey, you don't
have a right to a job, you've got to compete for it?

And frankly, I've heard the argument before, and it makes me sick, is
that Tobacco will NEVER be outlawed because there is too much tax
money involved. REALLY? I take great offense to that, especially when
the federal government is building God Blessed turtle crossings in
Florida.

If Americans can NOT suck up and pay a few hundred dollars in taxes
every year, then you are a bunch of wimps, you are a bunch of sissies,
a bunch of girlie men, how are you going to survive? Farmers can grow
corn or soy instead?

Here's my thoughts, GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO. The kids that can't buy
it now, can't in the future. Cut out your pork barrel projects, and
you won't need the extra taxes?

Being that this is the most powerful keyboard in the world, the most
smacketh downeth erectus among us, you've got to ask yourself a
question, do you feel lucky?

Well do you want to think --- of junk?


Luv ya like a brother Paggs -- I disagree with ya.

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

Wake up; it's already 7:26 in the morning here. The damn regime can't
even keep CRACK - never was legal anywhere in America, requiring
ingredients not grown in America - from being easily available to any
slum teenager who wants it within the hour. How well - in that
context - do you think same regime would do at banning tobacco that my
grandfather grew for roll-your-own cigs in his Pittsburgh backyard?

http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Jan 22, 12:32*pm, " wrote:
Wake up; it's already 7:26 in the morning here. *The damn regime can't
even keep CRACK - never was legal anywhere in America, requiring
ingredients not grown in America - from being easily available to any
slum teenager who wants it within the hour. *How well - in that
context - do you think same regime would do at banning tobacco that my
grandfather grew for roll-your-own cigs in his Pittsburgh backyard?

http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!

I would tend to think that making it easy, making it legal for people
to smoke, encourages them to experiment with the habit when they might
not if it was not legal. I am an ex-smoker. And they already make
smokers miserable by forcing them to go outside, etc. If you work in
a hospital, you probably have to go down several flights of stairs,
security concerns, or the possible notion you might over look
something on a patient chart just because all you have been thinking
about for the last 30 minutes is having a cigarrette. You smoked your
cigarrette on break, the doctor is wonder where the hell you are, and
did you wash your hands?

(in addition to my other arguments). And they are already doing this
in the military (why invest a million dollars worth of training if
some idiot is going to light up on the battle field?).

I wouldn't want the government to allow the sale of dangerous drugs
(but it does it anyways), and really the only way to get people not to
smoke is to make them compete for jobs? Smoking is something that
sneaks up on you, and to make it worse, it is a drug that also opens
your airways. The damage is hidden or delayed for years, until one
day you start coughing up blood.

If you call that liberty, well, I think it is something worth the
effort to prevent from happening.

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Jan 22, 12:32*pm, " wrote:
Wake up; it's already 7:26 in the morning here. *The damn regime can't
even keep CRACK - never was legal anywhere in America, requiring
ingredients not grown in America - from being easily available to any
slum teenager who wants it within the hour. *How well - in that
context - do you think same regime would do at banning tobacco that my
grandfather grew for roll-your-own cigs in his Pittsburgh backyard?

http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!

If President Obama smokes, why, we wouldn't want to change the laws
would we?

LOL. HA HA HA HA HA HAH AH HA HA COUFGH COUGH COUGH HA HA HA
HAHA HA HA!

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

Ooops, almost forgot, some who have been blessed by God may not
experience the effects of tobacco, since the supernatural powers of
God would protect them?

Ooooops there it is!

Have a nice day!


"And they shall take up serpents......."

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

Copy of my email:

Hi Joe Paggs! (wink). Sorry bout dat! I apologize for spelling your
name wrong. Love your show, you do a lot of good.

Ooops, almost forgot, some who have been blessed by God may not
experience the effects of tobacco, since the supernatural powers of
God would protect them?

Ooooops there it is!

Have a nice day!

"And they shall take up serpents......."
I think you see my point, you are just choosing to spin it because
tobacco is legal. I don't dwell on the issue, I throw it out it there
occasionally because people have to want to stop smoking. I'm not a
power trip person.

Maybe your show would be a little more interesting if you took
questions from people that tried different methods to stop smoking,
for instance I said to my self, when I was a little kid, I didn't need
to smoke and I was happy. After smoking for years, I wanted to be
like that kid again. When I wanted a cigarrette, I drank hot
chocolate (it was winter time) until one day I finally quit. And
again, if a nurse smokes, I would allow them to keep smoking as an
employer, I would grandfather out or weed out new employees from being
smokers simply as a leadership role in the community.



--
Have a nice day!

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Jan 22, 7:15*am, MagneticEnergy wrote:
I was listening to Joe Paggs this morning, who I love to listen to,
but who is as stubborn as a mule (in a good way) about the issues,
talk about a hospital denying employment to people that smoke, try to
spin the issue as some kind of debate about liberty.

This issue has nothing to do with liberty of citizens, this has to do
with the ability of a company to have the liberty to experience its
employees being competitive. To boil this down really quick, most
medical professions require a certain amount of continuing education
on a yearly basis, and many hospitals pay for that expense.

Why should they invest in you, as an employee, if they know 15 years
from now you the chances of you going to become unreliable, and sick,
because of smoking? Why can't the employer just say, hey, you don't
have a right to a job, you've got to compete for it?

And frankly, I've heard the argument before, and it makes me sick, is
that Tobacco will NEVER be outlawed because there is too much tax
money involved. REALLY? *I take great offense to that, especially when
the federal government is building God Blessed turtle crossings in
Florida.

If Americans can NOT suck up and pay a few hundred dollars in taxes
every year, then you are a bunch of wimps, you are a bunch of sissies,
a bunch of girlie men, how are you going to survive? *Farmers can grow
corn or soy instead?

Here's my thoughts, GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO. * The kids that can't buy
it now, can't in the future. *Cut out your pork barrel projects, and
you won't need the extra taxes?

Being that this is the most powerful *keyboard in the world, the most
smacketh downeth erectus among us, you've got to ask yourself a
question, do you feel lucky?

Well do you want to think *--- of junk?

Luv ya like a brother Paggs -- I disagree with ya.

I'm not a smoker and I don't like to be around smokers. Yet I am
astounded at the amount of grief smokers get. No doubt smoking is bad
for you. About a third of smokers die of some smoking-related illness.
Second-hand smoke also poses a threat to bystanders. But don't MOST of
the things we do pose a threat to bystanders? My late grandmother once
broke her hip walking through a park. A guy who was involved in a game
of touch football ran into her by accident, causing her to fall. Do we
outlaw walks in the park? Touch football?

And what about fatty foods? Sharp objects? Poisonous substances? Skis?
Roller skates? If we're going to make a list of all the things we do
or products we use that are potentially harmful to ourselves and
others, you'd better settle in and get comfortable because pretty much
everything will be on that list. And yet, for some reason, people save
up all their wrath for smokers. At the very mention of smoking,
tempers flare and rationality goes straight out the window.

I just don't get it. Is it because tobacco companies spent so much
time and money trying to deceive everyone about the potential ill
effects of tobacco use? Suppose that in 1962 or so, tobacco companies
had simply fessed up and said that tobacco use might well give you
cancer in the long term and poses various additional health risks. If
this had happened, my guess is that we'd all still be smoking and
would view the health risks associated with tobacco as akin to the
health risks associated with alcohol or fat or sodium or exposure to
the sun. Or maybe I'm wrong, but there has to be some explanation of
why people's reaction to one set of risks are so disproportionate to
their reactions to other risks.

What's especially fascinating right now is the absolute rage many
people are venting at the idea of electronic cigarettes...despite the
fact that the latter contain no tobacco whatsoever!

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Jan 22, 10:13*am, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:45:51 -0800 (PST), Steve
wrote:

I'm not a smoker and I don't like to be around smokers. Yet I am
astounded at the amount of grief smokers get. No doubt smoking is bad
for you.

It's not about the smoker per se, stevie

It's about those around the smoker that have to suck in the
poisons exhaled.

You don't like to read past the first few lines of a post, do you?

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Jan 22, 10:13*am, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:45:51 -0800 (PST), Steve
wrote:



However, when the smoker contracts the large variety of diseases
related to lungs, cancer, and other maladies---guess who pays the
cost?

Answer: The same people who pay the bill when someone falls, has high
blood pressure, is injured in a car accident, gets food poisoning,
breaks a collar bone, etc.

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

Well that was a long winded way of avoiding the point(s) of the author
of this post. The post had nothing outlawing risk. The post was
about the freedom of an employer, of a high tech job, in a mission
critical situation, to make sure the employees working for him, her
(them) competed for that position by not bringing to work the
associated habits and problems normally associated with smokers.

And Joe Pags acts like a stubborn mule because he does not like to be
proven wrong? Hey Joe, beer is legal. Does your boss let you drink
beer on the job? Why not? You can buy your own breath tester, you
can drink, what, six ounces of beer an hour and not get drunk, so why
don't we see people walking around with cans of Budweiser?

Joe Pags, I hate to say it, sounded like an union thug today, hey, I
have a RIGHT to that job, don't you DARE deny me employment, why
smoking is legal? And that's the problem with unions, you get a
popular idea, and the union acts as a buffer between accountability
between the citizen and the politician? Your life sucks? The
politician can say, its the union's fault, hang in there a few more
years, things will get better?

That's why they love unions? I take the same position as the author
of this post, we should grand father out tobacco products, those who
can't buy it now, should not be able to in the future, because we know
it is an addictive drug with harmful effects that are preventable. If
you are already hooked to tobacco, I would say they should still be
able to work there (in the hospital), since they have contributed to
the success of that organization, and if you are hooked to cigarettes
and are in medical school, investing your time and money, there should
be some wiggle room in there too before you would change your policy
like that.

Tobacco is also supported for one simple reason, it gets girls to try
things they wouldn't normally do? They figure if they let their guard
down for a cigarette, they'll let something else down too? Well, you
folks opened the can of worms by bringing up the subject, not me?
While I can support a hospital avoiding smokers as employees, in
reality it really comes down to the workers. I might own or run the
hospital, it might be my (our) money, and while I might have a legal
right to ask employees to compete for those positions in my
organization, I have to have the numbers to make it work. In some
towns it might be a good idea, but bad timing?

The sad part of this arguement is that if you smoke, you'll close a
lot of doors. They will smell it on the interview, somebody will
check your car while you are being interviewed, or you might work for
a couple weeks and then get laid off? Hospitals are high stress
environments sometimes, and it just seems odd that people would even
want to smoke, after watching people get sick from it. People that
work in hospitals demand the best pay, well, are they earning it, if
they demand cigarette breaks, or get sick later down the road?

Every time you walk outside to smoke a cigarette, you expose yourself
to more germs, more avenues for airborne disease to attach itself to
your clothes, and you go walking back into rooms full of sick people?
Some people smoke for years and something else happens to them (or
they bank on that thought when starting to smoke) but the sad fact of
the matter is that lung disease is one of the most painful ways you
can become sick?

How bout a beer, Mr. Mojo?

Enjoy the weekend........:)

Joe Pags still rocks, he just can't roll on this subject? Hey, I
make mistakes too, you guys already know I can't spell? LOL.

He was standing in the hole, waiting for something to develop
and ........looking forward to that moment this weekend?

LOL. (wink!)

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Jan 22, 2:32*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:48:36 -0800 (PST), Steve
wrote:

On Jan 22, 10:13*am, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:45:51 -0800 (PST), Steve
wrote:

However, when the smoker contracts the large variety of diseases
related to lungs, cancer, and other maladies---guess who pays the
cost?

Answer: The same people who pay the bill when someone falls, has high
blood pressure, is injured in a car accident, gets food poisoning,
breaks a collar bone, etc.

THerefore we can conclude that legislation, ads, or any means possible
to stop smoking is legitmate?

Sure, why not? While you're at it, you can conclude that monkeys will
fly out of your ass.

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

Yeah, they are still whining about it. Why a hospital is just so
stressful - as if God didn't give us the ability to handle stress
without cigarrettes. What ever. If I was running a hospital, I would
put smoking rooms in the building, and they would be cleaned by state
of the art climate control equipment -- assuming of course I could
afford it. Oh, wait, if I did that, that could mean your taxes would
go up?

Turtle crossings -- no. Smoking rooms -- yes. Grandfather out
tobacco -- yes. I see a lot of happy kids on play grounds, and none
of them have cigarettes, so the call for us to be "adults" makes no
effect on me. Anyone who has almost drowned learning how to swim can
experience that "pain" for a split second. Imagine that kind of pain
for days, while you slowly die?

American beer isn't fun to drink anyways -- they take all the fun out
of it -- by pasteurizing it? Yeah, been there, done that. I don't
drink very often, or only on special occasions, and it doesn't sound
like this would be one of those times. But, what do you expect from
big media "gate keepers"?

The original author was talking about the legality of the situation,
not to support the decision of the hospital administrator (or whoever
made the decision). Some people like people to watch others die in
pain, and I was watching the Glenn Beck show about communism. The
arguments about tobacco use demonstrate how easy it is to adopt
socialist ideas that are destructive?

But tobacco is a stimulant? So is coffee? Amazing how way the
arguments to support tobacco use are also used for other socialist
ideas?

Is tobacco use a socialist, communist idea meant to kill people? Why
we should ask "Chief Oui Weed"?

Shhh, I think I hear my black helicopter coming, time to go......

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:50:23 -0800, Editor RadioTalkingPoints wrote:

Yeah, they are still whining about it. Why a hospital is just so
stressful - as if God didn't give us the ability to handle stress
without cigarrettes. What ever. If I was running a hospital, I would
put smoking rooms in the building, and they would be cleaned by state of
the art climate control equipment -- assuming of course I could afford
it. Oh, wait, if I did that, that could mean your taxes would go up?

You should also consider a bacon-n-beer and/or Oxy room for your hospital
for all the fat-ass republicant's who believe limpballs when he claims
cigs, sugar and fat are good for you.

Here's a preview...
http://pics.nase-bohren.de/feed-me.jpg

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

They (''They'') are NOT going to out my tobacco! SCREW EM up their ying
yangs, Sideways!!!!!!!

Ahh am riggin up an empty tuna fish can (tin cans are the Best kind of
Cigarette Ashtrays) right now for a new ash tray.Fixin to also hand roll
and also SMOKE me Another Cigarette rat now.
Ahh Rolls em anna also Ahh SMOKES em like ah CHOO CHOO TRAIN.

That IS MY Perogative, and also That IS MY RIGHT to SMOKE whenever Ahh
wants to SMOKE!

Smmmmoke, Smmmmoke that Cigaretttttttttte,,,,,,,,
hack hack hack,,, cough cough cough,,,,
cuhulin, the SMOKER

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On Jan 24, 12:30*am, wrote:
They (''They'') are NOT going to out my tobacco! SCREW EM up their ying
yangs, Sideways!!!!!!!

Ahh am riggin up an empty tuna fish can (tin cans are the Best kind of
Cigarette Ashtrays) right now for a new ash tray.Fixin to also hand roll
and also SMOKE me Another Cigarette rat now.
Ahh Rolls em anna also Ahh SMOKES em like ah CHOO CHOO TRAIN.

That IS MY Perogative, and also That IS MY RIGHT to SMOKE whenever Ahh
wants to SMOKE!

Smmmmoke, Smmmmoke that Cigaretttttttttte,,,,,,,,
hack hack hack,,, cough cough cough,,,,
cuhulin, the SMOKER

Yeah, that's something people have to want to give up, and I've been
to the point where a cigarette seems like your only friend, until you
start coughing up blood, then it dawns on you, that's not your friend?

A right to smoke? Really? A right to sell tobacco? Really? A
right to regulate commerce? Really?

A right to grow your own tobacco? Really? A right to fair taxes?
Really?

Smoking is an excellent example of how "socialist" type ideas take
root, people make up all kinds of excuses why something obviously bad
is good for them? Meth is 'out of this world", so much so, that it
burns out your brain cells because they pump so many chemicals out
that make you feel good, you end up an empty shell, and God help you
if you had kids, who watched it happen? Really?

Well, I'm not going to take away your cigarrettes, or even try to, the
subject wandered away from an employer who simply wanted the stuff out
of the business picture (and that is a view shared by many). I would
like an honest debate about grand fathering the stuff out -- the kids
that can't buy it now, should not be able to in the future. Of course
I also think that you should be able to grow your own tobacco, I don't
want you paying my taxes? So would it all be a waste of time even
trying to enforce such laws, don't we have enough to worry about?

That's for you people to decide for yourselves? But then again, if we
are so afraid of talking about God in class rooms, a cigarette is a
low priority on the totem pole? Teach classes about God with no
grades, no passing, no failing grades, just talk? A right to smoke?
A right to live in Yemen? A right to apathy? Really? A right to
failure? A right to save a drowning man? Really?

Have a nice day!





Wow, all the wonderful names I was called, only effective people get
called those names? So inspiring, being an American?

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

People have the RIGHT to listen to any and all electronic transmissions
too.

Back to terbacca,,, I have the RIGHT to grow my own tobacco, if I so
choose to do so.I have the RIGHT to make my own Moonshine, if I so
choose to do so.
But, I quit the booze last February of 2009.I weigh 154 pounds now.
http://www.devilfinder.com
Mississippi Tobacco Growers
cuhulin, has the RIGHT

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

In article ,
wrote:
People have the RIGHT to listen to any and all electronic transmissions
too.

Back to terbacca,,, I have the RIGHT to grow my own tobacco, if I so
choose to do so.I have the RIGHT to make my own Moonshine, if I so
choose to do so.

You can brew your own beer and make wine for yourself but
distillation will get you in trouble.

But, I quit the booze last February of 2009.I weigh 154 pounds now.
http://www.devilfinder.com
Mississippi Tobacco Growers
cuhulin, has the RIGHT

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

On 1/29/10 13:11 , Bruce Watson wrote:
In ,
wrote:
People have the RIGHT to listen to any and all electronic transmissions
too.

Back to terbacca,,, I have the RIGHT to grow my own tobacco, if I so
choose to do so.I have the RIGHT to make my own Moonshine, if I so
choose to do so.



And it's high time we started to take this kind of stand on many
issues, and take back the rights infringed by our so-called
representatives in government.

Do you have the courage to stand up and take this stand?

GRANDFATHER OUT TOBACCO -- it is not about liberty?
 

Of course I was talking about/I meant to say,,, I have the RIGHT to
brew/home brew, my own beer, and or wine.

Looka here, when that divorced Bell South woman and her skinny twin
sister and their lezzie gal friends used to live next door to me, that
divorced Bell South woman had a half a quart glass jar of Moonshine over
there that she had home brewed in Natchez.She offered me a taste of that
Moonshine.
Man, it was GOOD!
cuhulin