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CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
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CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On 2010-03-24, BDK wrote:
This site should get you started: http://www.aarphealthcare.com/ Thank you nb |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
"Sid9" wrote in message
... "Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message ... znuybv wrote: You're in for a big surprise. The country can't afford free health care. Your cost of health care will go up. "Joe from Kokomo" wrote: And the cost of health care hasn't *already* been going out of control for the last ten years or more? How could you have missed that? What other planet were you visiting? Bob wrote: How does this plan reduce the cost of health care? It may -- or may not-- reduce the cost of health care. But it WILL stop or slow waaay down its upward, out of control spiral. . . CBO believes is will work. The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform By DOUGLAS HOLTZ-EAKIN Published: March 20, 2010 ON Thursday, the Congressional Budget Office reported that, if enacted, the latest health care reform legislation would, over the next 10 years, cost about $950 billion, but because it would raise some revenues and lower some costs, it would also lower federal deficits by $138 billion. In other words, a bill that would set up two new entitlement spending programs - health insurance subsidies and long-term health care benefits - would actually improve the nation's bottom line. Could this really be true? How can the budget office give a green light to a bill that commits the federal government to spending nearly $1 trillion more over the next 10 years? The answer, unfortunately, is that the budget office is required to take written legislation at face value and not second-guess the plausibility of what it is handed. So fantasy in, fantasy out. In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion. Gimmick No. 1 is the way the bill front-loads revenues and backloads spending. That is, the taxes and fees it calls for are set to begin immediately, but its new subsidies would be deferred so that the first 10 years of revenue would be used to pay for only 6 years of spending. Even worse, some costs are left out entirely. To operate the new programs over the first 10 years, future Congresses would need to vote for $114 billion in additional annual spending. But this so-called discretionary spending is excluded from the Congressional Budget Office's tabulation. Consider, too, the fate of the $70 billion in premiums expected to be raised in the first 10 years for the legislation's new long-term health care insurance program. This money is counted as deficit reduction, but the benefits it is intended to finance are assumed not to materialize in the first 10 years, so they appear nowhere in the cost of the legislation. Another vivid example of how the legislation manipulates revenues is the provision to have corporations deposit $8 billion in higher estimated tax payments in 2014, thereby meeting fiscal targets for the first five years. But since the corporations' actual taxes would be unchanged, the money would need to be refunded the next year. The net effect is simply to shift dollars from 2015 to 2014. In addition to this accounting sleight of hand, the legislation would blithely rob Peter to pay Paul. For example, it would use $53 billion in anticipated higher Social Security taxes to offset health care spending. Social Security revenues are expected to rise as employers shift from paying for health insurance to paying higher wages. But if workers have higher wages, they will also qualify for increased Social Security benefits when they retire. So the extra money raised from payroll taxes is already spoken for. (Indeed, it is unlikely to be enough to keep Social Security solvent.) It cannot be used for lowering the deficit. A government takeover of all federally financed student loans - which obviously has nothing to do with health care - is rolled into the bill because it is expected to generate $19 billion in deficit reduction. Finally, in perhaps the most amazing bit of unrealistic accounting, the legislation proposes to trim $463 billion from Medicare spending and use it to finance insurance subsidies. But Medicare is already bleeding red ink, and the health care bill has no reforms that would enable the program to operate more cheaply in the future. Instead, Congress is likely to continue to regularly override scheduled cuts in payments to Medicare doctors and other providers. Removing the unrealistic annual Medicare savings ($463 billion) and the stolen annual revenues from Social Security and long-term care insurance ($123 billion), and adding in the annual spending that so far is not accounted for ($114 billion) quickly generates additional deficits of $562 billion in the first 10 years. And the nation would be on the hook for two more entitlement programs rapidly expanding as far as the eye can see. The bottom line is that Congress would spend a lot more; steal funds from education, Social Security and long-term care to cover the gap; and promise that future Congresses will make up for it by taxing more and spending less. The stakes could not be higher. As documented in another recent budget office analysis, the federal deficit is already expected to exceed at least $700 billion every year over the next decade, doubling the national debt to more than $20 trillion. By 2020, the federal deficit - the amount the government must borrow to meet its expenses - is projected to be $1.2 trillion, $900 billion of which represents interest on previous debt. The health care legislation would only increase this crushing debt. It is a clear indication that Congress does not realize the urgency of putting America's fiscal house in order. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who was the director of the Congressional Budget Office from 2003 to 2005, is the president of the American Action Forum, a policy institute. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On 3/23/2010 6:18 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 23, 3:02 pm, Geo wrote: On Mar 22, 9:46 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 9:25 PM, wy wrote: On Mar 22, 8:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote: Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont- like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody won". Look it up! This bill will help my family considerably. My %^$%#^%$ insurance company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to give us the runaround. This thing, as odd as it is, will make a difference in several important salient health-related details, cost not being a big deal among them. Bruce You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. Then you are forced to have insurance or accept government health care. Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate. You make it sound like you'll never ever, ever never need health care for as long as you live. Which is an impossibility, of course. So just cough up the cash and stop being an idiot about it. Never... I will go to Obama-land Prison first. Where you will pay for food, water, sewer, Cable, clothes and electric and room and board.... You left off free healthcare.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ROTFLMAO! :-D That was a given..... Lots of free health care..... |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
U.S.Post Office was established in 1775, 234 years to get it right.It is
BROKE! Social Security established in 1935, 74 years to get it right.It is BROKE! Fannie Mae established in 1938, 71 years to get it right.It is BROKE! War on Poverty established in 1964, 45 years to get it right.A Trillion dollars is confiscated every year and given to the poor.And they want MORE! Medicare and Medicaid established in 1965, 44 years to get it right.It is BROKE! Freddie Mac established in 1970, 39 years to get it right.It is BROKE! Department of Energy established in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, 16,000 employees, a budget of 24 billion dollars each year, 32 years to get it right, it is a MISERABLE FAILURE!.And we are importing more oil than ever BEFORE! fed govt wants us to believe fed govt MANDATED FORCED COMMIE FASCIST NAZI JOO TERRORIST Health Care is right! To HELL!!! WITH THOSE MOFOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 23, 9:14*pm, wrote:
U.S.Post Office was established in 1775, 234 years to get it right.It is BROKE! Social Security established in 1935, 74 years to get it right.It is BROKE! Fannie Mae established in 1938, 71 years to get it right.It is BROKE! War on Poverty established in 1964, 45 years to get it right.A Trillion dollars is confiscated every year and given to the poor.And they want MORE! Medicare and Medicaid established in 1965, 44 years to get it right.It is BROKE! Freddie Mac established in 1970, 39 years to get it right.It is BROKE! Department of Energy established in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, 16,000 employees, a budget of 24 billion dollars each year, 32 years to get it right, it is a MISERABLE FAILURE!.And we are importing more oil than ever BEFORE! fed govt wants us to believe fed govt MANDATED FORCED COMMIE FASCIST NAZI JOO TERRORIST Health Care is right! To HELL!!! WITH THOSE MOFOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cuhulin So, did you compile this, or find it somewhere? |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 23, 5:58*pm, BDK wrote:
In article , says... That married Irish woman wayyyy over yonder across the big pond in Bognor Regis,England, she is part Irish, part British by Ancestry. Her dad lives in Bognor Regis too.A few years ago he went to Limerick,Ireland to visit some relatives and friends.His doctor in Bognor Regis had told him it was ok for him to travel.As soon as he got to Limerick, he wound up in Dooradoyle hospital in Limerick.His prostate gland had swollen up and was just about to bust, nearly killed him.The surgeons at Dooradoyle hospital saved his life.They were amazed that his doctor in Bognor Regis had told him it was ok for him to travel. I still have the email letter she sent me, telling me all about it. You think socialized health care is good for America? You haven't seen anything yet! cuhulin Doctors miss stuff all the time, that has nothing to do with insurance coverage. -- BDK, leader of the non-jew, non-existant jew paid shills! Yes, but it makes good talking points to scare people. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 23, 7:11*pm, Bob Dobbs wrote:
znuybv wrote: You're in for a big surprise. *The country can't afford free health care. *Your cost of health care will go up. The upper class wealthy (bourgeoisie) can most certainly afford to pay a higher share to subsidize the greatness of this country and who cares if their taxes go up. -- Operator Bob Echo Charlie 42 Wow! I'm upper class bourgeoisie! Look at me, I'm so privileged :-D (Actually, I am well below the tax rate lower income horizon of $250k for married). Bruce |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 23, 7:19*pm, "Bob" wrote:
"Sid9" wrote in message ... "Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message ... znuybv wrote: You're in for a big surprise. *The country can't afford free health care. *Your cost of health care will go up. "Joe from Kokomo" wrote: And the cost of health care hasn't *already* been going out of control for the last ten years or more? How could you have missed that? What other planet were you visiting? Bob wrote: How does this plan reduce the cost of health care? It may -- or may not-- reduce the cost of health care. But it WILL stop or slow waaay down its upward, out of control spiral. . . CBO believes is will work. The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform By DOUGLAS HOLTZ-EAKIN Published: March 20, 2010 ON Thursday, the Congressional Budget Office reported that, if enacted, the latest health care reform legislation would, over the next 10 years, cost about $950 billion, but because it would raise some revenues and lower some costs, it would also lower federal deficits by $138 billion. In other words, a bill that would set up two new entitlement spending programs - health insurance subsidies and long-term health care benefits - would actually improve the nation's bottom line. Could this really be true? How can the budget office give a green light to a bill that commits the federal government to spending nearly $1 trillion more over the next 10 years? The answer, unfortunately, is that the budget office is required to take written legislation at face value and not second-guess the plausibility of what it is handed. So fantasy in, fantasy out. In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion. Gimmick No. 1 is the way the bill front-loads revenues and backloads spending. That is, the taxes and fees it calls for are set to begin immediately, but its new subsidies would be deferred so that the first 10 years of revenue would be used to pay for only 6 years of spending. Even worse, some costs are left out entirely. To operate the new programs over the first 10 years, future Congresses would need to vote for $114 billion in additional annual spending. But this so-called discretionary spending is excluded from the Congressional Budget Office's tabulation. Consider, too, the fate of the $70 billion in premiums expected to be raised in the first 10 years for the legislation's new long-term health care insurance program. This money is counted as deficit reduction, but the benefits it is intended to finance are assumed not to materialize in the first 10 years, so they appear nowhere in the cost of the legislation. Another vivid example of how the legislation manipulates revenues is the provision to have corporations deposit $8 billion in higher estimated tax payments in 2014, thereby meeting fiscal targets for the first five years.. But since the corporations' actual taxes would be unchanged, the money would need to be refunded the next year. The net effect is simply to shift dollars from 2015 to 2014. In addition to this accounting sleight of hand, the legislation would blithely rob Peter to pay Paul. For example, it would use $53 billion in anticipated higher Social Security taxes to offset health care spending. Social Security revenues are expected to rise as employers shift from paying for health insurance to paying higher wages. But if workers have higher wages, they will also qualify for increased Social Security benefits when they retire. So the extra money raised from payroll taxes is already spoken for. (Indeed, it is unlikely to be enough to keep Social Security solvent..) It cannot be used for lowering the deficit. A government takeover of all federally financed student loans - which obviously has nothing to do with health care - is rolled into the bill because it is expected to generate $19 billion in deficit reduction. Finally, in perhaps the most amazing bit of unrealistic accounting, the legislation proposes to trim $463 billion from Medicare spending and use it to finance insurance subsidies. But Medicare is already bleeding red ink, and the health care bill has no reforms that would enable the program to operate more cheaply in the future. Instead, Congress is likely to continue to regularly override scheduled cuts in payments to Medicare doctors and other providers. Removing the unrealistic annual Medicare savings ($463 billion) and the stolen annual revenues from Social Security and long-term care insurance ($123 billion), and adding in the annual spending that so far is not accounted for ($114 billion) quickly generates additional deficits of $562 billion in the first 10 years. And the nation would be on the hook for two more entitlement programs rapidly expanding as far as the eye can see. The bottom line is that Congress would spend a lot more; steal funds from education, Social Security and long-term care to cover the gap; and promise that future Congresses will make up for it by taxing more and spending less. The stakes could not be higher. As documented in another recent budget office analysis, the federal deficit is already expected to exceed at least $700 billion every year over the next decade, doubling the national debt to more than $20 trillion. By 2020, the federal deficit - the amount the government must borrow to meet its expenses - is projected to be $1.2 trillion, $900 billion of which represents interest on previous debt. The health care legislation would only increase this crushing debt. It is a clear indication that Congress does not realize the urgency of putting America's fiscal house in order. Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who was the director of the Congressional Budget Office from 2003 to 2005, is the president of the American Action Forum, a policy institute. Something is not adding up here. Did this guy read the whole bill? This same guy who was in charge of the CBO when Bush charged up a trillion bucks worth of war debt and a half trillion of new Medicare prescription coverage for seniors who he felt would vote his way in 2004? And did not apparently bat an eye about THAT? Why have NONE of the Republican leaders made a *single one* of these specific points at any time in their diatribes, choosing instead to use gauzy generalities about budget without specific reference, right up to the final vote? Why did THIS guy wait until the last possible minute to roll out this buzzword-filled argument, instead of putting it out there a week in advance so that it could have a real impact? Or is it actually like so many other Republican stunts these days, a desperate tissue of lies that must be shoved out quick and dirty because, given even a tiny iota of time, it would be exposed as the fabrication it really is? |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
znuybv wrote:
On Mar 22, 5:26 pm, wrote: Bruce You're in for a big surprise. The country can't afford free health care. Your cost of health care will go up. It will cost more to do nothing. What we can't afford is shooting wars on the other side of the world. That's the 800 pound gorilla. War is ****ed-up. Why don't we give each Taliban 50 grand to leave us alone. Still cheaper than martyring them. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Bob wrote:
How does this plan reduce the cost of health care? It lights a fire under the insurers and the providers (not to mention the fear of The People into the fat cats). |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Bob Dobbs wrote:
znuybv wrote: You're in for a big surprise. The country can't afford free health care. Your cost of health care will go up. The upper class wealthy (bourgeoisie) can most certainly afford to pay a higher share to subsidize the greatness of this country and who cares if their taxes go up. The wealthy upper class should be taxed back into the comfortable middle class, and the proceeds should be used to improve life for everyone. One of the founding principles of the USA is that we do not have family dynasties. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
If I ever need surgery, I am going to Dooradoyle hospital in
Limerick,Ireland. Either that or St.Dominic hospital here in Jackson. http://www.stdom.com I don't know if Dooradoyle hospital has a website, (they probally have) I would have posted it.I bet those Irish nurses over there are real cute! cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 24, 6:43*am, BDK wrote:
In article 9ca39d7b-9f61-4dea-9e33- , says... On Mar 23, 5:58*pm, BDK wrote: In article , says... That married Irish woman wayyyy over yonder across the big pond in Bognor Regis,England, she is part Irish, part British by Ancestry. Her dad lives in Bognor Regis too.A few years ago he went to Limerick,Ireland to visit some relatives and friends.His doctor in Bognor Regis had told him it was ok for him to travel.As soon as he got to Limerick, he wound up in Dooradoyle hospital in Limerick.His prostate gland had swollen up and was just about to bust, nearly killed him.The surgeons at Dooradoyle hospital saved his life.They were amazed that his doctor in Bognor Regis had told him it was ok for him to travel. I still have the email letter she sent me, telling me all about it. You think socialized health care is good for America? You haven't seen anything yet! cuhulin Doctors miss stuff all the time, that has nothing to do with insurance coverage. -- BDK, leader of the non-jew, non-existant jew paid shills! Yes, but it makes good talking points to scare people. That seems to be the way it is anymore. They throw up stuff and hope it "sticks". Trouble is, it seems like a lot of people will buy into anything that agrees with their political views or prejudices, no matter how insanely stupid it is. -- BDK, leader of the non-jew, non-existant jew paid shills! It's just a cover. They continue to lull us into a sense of comfortable superiority, and then at the critical moment, they will turn the tables on us and dazzle us with their effete intellectual prowess. We will be made to feel like lowly sea sponges, I tell ya, SPONGES! Bruce "my medula oblongata hurts!" Jensen |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Tookin me ahh leetle cig anna ahh coffee bareque frum ahh woikin
outchsyde onna me hoyuse, anna oilso ketchin uppa onnas ahh shrew noos tidbits. The Backlash reform turns PERSONAL! http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=286246 cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
In article 602fe491-b821-4163-a928-
, says... On Mar 24, 6:43*am, BDK wrote: In article 9ca39d7b-9f61-4dea-9e33- , says... On Mar 23, 5:58*pm, BDK wrote: In article , says... That married Irish woman wayyyy over yonder across the big pond in Bognor Regis,England, she is part Irish, part British by Ancestry.. Her dad lives in Bognor Regis too.A few years ago he went to Limerick,Ireland to visit some relatives and friends.His doctor in Bognor Regis had told him it was ok for him to travel.As soon as he got to Limerick, he wound up in Dooradoyle hospital in Limerick.His prostate gland had swollen up and was just about to bust, nearly killed him.The surgeons at Dooradoyle hospital saved his life.They were amazed that his doctor in Bognor Regis had told him it was ok for him to travel. I still have the email letter she sent me, telling me all about it. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
I LIKE that picture/photo that poster # 17 jwpegler posted in that
libertypost.org article I previously posted. My Hero, Walter Brennan would say,,, That a GOOD One! cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Er ahh, poster # 7.I got my 17 mixed up with my 7.I can't blame that on
my little doggy either.She is sittin on the floor waiting for me to toss one of her rubber squeaky doggy toys up in the air so she can jump and catch it.I wish I could do that.Back to the Future II is on the Encore EACT channel right now. That's a GOOD One! cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 23, 10:34*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote: On 3/22/2010 11:02 PM, wy wrote: On Mar 22, 9:46 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 9:25 PM, wy wrote: On Mar 22, 8:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote: Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont- like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody won". Look it up! This bill will help my family considerably. *My %^$%#^%$ insurance company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to give us the runaround. *This thing, as odd as it is, will make a difference in several important salient health-related details, cost not being a big deal among them. Bruce You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. *Then you are forced to have insurance or accept government health care. Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate. You make it sound like you'll never ever, ever never need health care for as long as you live. *Which is an impossibility, of course. *So just cough up the cash and stop being an idiot about it. Never... I will go to Obama-land Prison first. Where you will pay for food, water, sewer, Cable, clothes and electric and room and board.... So you're a socialist. NO... it makes me stubborn, and principled, and expensive for tax payers like you. Do you drive without car insurance, or do your principles end there? |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 23, 11:07*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 23, 7:31*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 11:12 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote: Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont- like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody won". Look it up! This bill will help my family considerably. *My %^$%#^%$ insurance company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to give us the runaround. *This thing, as odd as it is, will make a difference in several important salient health-related details, cost not being a big deal among them. Bruce You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. *Then you are forced to have insurance or accept government health care. Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate. Right now, I have no choice *anyway* - if I don't pay installments to some bloodsucking insurer, I run the risk of my family - both of whom have highly treatable preexisting conditions - dying needlessly. *If Obama and I really had our way, the government-run single payer option - used VERY successfully by numerous more civilized nations around the world - would obviate the need to pay any private for-profit company whose sole goal is to milk me out of money and support me as little as possible in my time of need. You go to them they don't come to you. *You get out your wallet freely, but Obama wants to hold a gun to your head. I don't especially care if you like the government option or not - the proof is in the pudding, and the substantial majority of people I have If you want to live in France/Canada.... *then just do it. spoken with from those nations have good cause to believe that their systems work well. *Many cannot believe the barbaric system we are still stuck with here in the States. I have an English Girlfriend..... * they don't like or get good health care, her girlfriend died 20 years ago, killed by the National health care who didn't tell her she had stomach cancer until it was too late.... * she came here to America and the doctors said that, had she only come here earlier, it was treatable. That's your good government care. Nice and pretty, and her name was Chris. Bruce- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, that's one. *To set and match it - my Dad, depending on US medicine, did not know he had stomach cancer until it was too late, thanks to 40 years of inept Americam medicine. Another - my Mom had cancer for three years, died of it, and the doctors never did figure out what kind of cancer it was! * So don't give me any bull**** about the British medical system failing its patients - the US fails as often if not more, and the life expectancy in the UK, despite what can only be described as a horrible diet, is a year longer than the US. Same with about 30 other nations who all have socialized medicine. We ourselves spend a good deal of time wondering if my wife's asthma is going to be effectively treated next month or year. *Something they do not fear in Britain. I have plenty of stories from Brits who would not trade their system for the third-world system we have in the States. *People with chronic diseases and disabilities, people who have immediate problems in their homes, get medical attention when they need it, day or night, at their homes, and they pay not a penny OOP. *They have plenty of $$$ for travel, hobbies, nice homes and fun. Bruce I happen to know a fellow (a co-worker) who took a job in one of offices in England. He's a former Army officer, a hard-over right winger. He had a heart attack while in England and gave himself over to the British medical system. He never had a bad word to say about it. His treatment was good, the doctors and nurses caring and professional and the hospital -- if a bit old -- was clean. It was also cheap and he didn't have to bicker with an insurance company about what was covered. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Ahh bin out en mah frunt yard, prayticin wi mah Bull Roarer stik Ahh dun
mayde.Dogs started barkin, sum frunt doors opined up, peepul folks lookin outchsyde. It's COOL! Crocodile Dundee haint gots nuttin on me! cuhulin, teh Bull Roarer |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On 3/24/2010 10:13 PM, Wexford wrote:
On Mar 23, 10:34 am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 11:02 PM, wy wrote: On Mar 22, 9:46 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 9:25 PM, wy wrote: On Mar 22, 8:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote: Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont- like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody won". Look it up! This bill will help my family considerably. My %^$%#^%$ insurance company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to give us the runaround. This thing, as odd as it is, will make a difference in several important salient health-related details, cost not being a big deal among them. Bruce You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. Then you are forced to have insurance or accept government health care. Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate. You make it sound like you'll never ever, ever never need health care for as long as you live. Which is an impossibility, of course. So just cough up the cash and stop being an idiot about it. Never... I will go to Obama-land Prison first. Where you will pay for food, water, sewer, Cable, clothes and electric and room and board.... So you're a socialist. NO... it makes me stubborn, and principled, and expensive for tax payers like you. Do you drive without car insurance, or do your principles end there? I have no car but I drive others cars, and I can legally ride a motorcycle without any insurance. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Anybody in America can drive any motor vehicle without any insurance and
no license plate, on their own property, that is.On the public roadways though, driving is NOT a Right, it is a Privilege. DATS DAT! cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Fannie Mae, DoE, and alla that,,, Yeahhh,,,,,,, Jimmmm, you know I
Plagiarized that.One of those posts one of those people posted at one of those sites, it is the Truth, what that poster said. Hither,,,, http://www.devilfinder.com The Truth about Health Care Paul Drockton And Please don't knock me because I know Hither, and Acutrements.I am not that much of a backwater hick, BUT, I wonder about some of y'all? cuhulin, the backwater hick |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 24, 7:20*pm, Wexford wrote:
On Mar 23, 11:07*am, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 23, 7:31*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 11:12 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote: Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont- like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody won". Look it up! This bill will help my family considerably. *My %^$%#^%$ insurance company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to give us the runaround. *This thing, as odd as it is, will make a difference in several important salient health-related details, cost not being a big deal among them. Bruce You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. *Then you are forced to have insurance or accept government health care. Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate. Right now, I have no choice *anyway* - if I don't pay installments to some bloodsucking insurer, I run the risk of my family - both of whom have highly treatable preexisting conditions - dying needlessly. *If Obama and I really had our way, the government-run single payer option - used VERY successfully by numerous more civilized nations around the world - would obviate the need to pay any private for-profit company whose sole goal is to milk me out of money and support me as little as possible in my time of need. You go to them they don't come to you. *You get out your wallet freely, but Obama wants to hold a gun to your head. I don't especially care if you like the government option or not - the proof is in the pudding, and the substantial majority of people I have If you want to live in France/Canada.... *then just do it. spoken with from those nations have good cause to believe that their systems work well. *Many cannot believe the barbaric system we are still stuck with here in the States. I have an English Girlfriend..... * they don't like or get good health care, her girlfriend died 20 years ago, killed by the National health care who didn't tell her she had stomach cancer until it was too late.... * she came here to America and the doctors said that, had she only come here earlier, it was treatable. That's your good government care. Nice and pretty, and her name was Chris. Bruce- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, that's one. *To set and match it - my Dad, depending on US medicine, did not know he had stomach cancer until it was too late, thanks to 40 years of inept Americam medicine. Another - my Mom had cancer for three years, died of it, and the doctors never did figure out what kind of cancer it was! * So don't give me any bull**** about the British medical system failing its patients - the US fails as often if not more, and the life expectancy in the UK, despite what can only be described as a horrible diet, is a year longer than the US. Same with about 30 other nations who all have socialized medicine. We ourselves spend a good deal of time wondering if my wife's asthma is going to be effectively treated next month or year. *Something they do not fear in Britain. I have plenty of stories from Brits who would not trade their system for the third-world system we have in the States. *People with chronic diseases and disabilities, people who have immediate problems in their homes, get medical attention when they need it, day or night, at their homes, and they pay not a penny OOP. *They have plenty of $$$ for travel, hobbies, nice homes and fun. Bruce I happen to know a fellow (a co-worker) who took a job in one of offices in England. He's a former Army officer, a hard-over right winger. He had a heart attack while in England and gave himself over to the British medical system. He never had a bad word to say about it. His treatment was good, the doctors and nurses caring and professional and the hospital -- if a bit old -- was clean. It was also cheap and he didn't have to bicker with an insurance company about what was covered. I hear stories like this one from a half-dozen Brits I know - but as I said, I apparently know the wrong ones - you know, the ones who are HAPPY with their system. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
I have no car but I drive others cars, and I can legally ride a motorcycle without any insurance. Pardon me for asking, but why don't you have a car? Economic reasons or other reasons? For better or for worse, our society is pretty much based on the automobile (generally speaking, lousy public transportation, spread out suburban areas, etc). |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On 3/25/2010 8:30 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: I have no car but I drive others cars, and I can legally ride a motorcycle without any insurance. Pardon me for asking, but why don't you have a car? Economic reasons or other reasons? Because I want to F*ck your Socialist Society as much as possible.... The cost is taxed and taxed again, SO the government is taking a big hit with each person that quits driving. I have a bicycle and live close to most anything I want. For better or for worse, our society is pretty much based on the automobile (generally speaking, lousy public transportation, spread out suburban areas, etc). Yes I know And I was OK with it 30 years ago but then I had kids and started fighting the Government encroachment into my family and my life and I've been at it ever since. I'm chuckling at people just catching on to the fact that your society has become a Socialist society. Talk about asleep at the wheel, Socialism has been growing in teh education system since I was a student and I have seen what 40 years of indoctrination has done to the Nation. So I take every chance I can get to F*ck the government out of a dime. It seems so much better than letting things come to a point where civil war breaks out and people start shooting at each other. I could be out spending money and enjoying Society, but that would be less than living up to my commitment to freedom and a bit hypocritical, so I give up some things to try to make a better life for my children, freedom is always better than planned indoctrination and tax slavery. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
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, says... On Mar 23, 10:34*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 11:02 PM, wy wrote: On Mar 22, 9:46 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 9:25 PM, wy wrote: On Mar 22, 8:54 pm, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/22/2010 8:26 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Mar 22, 5:20 pm, Paul Briskette wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:26:42 -0600, vict0r wrote: Posted: March 22nd, 2010 12:00 PM ET Washington (CNN) - A majority of Americans have a dim view of the sweeping health care bill passed by the House, saying it gives Washington too much clout and won't do much to reduce their own health care costs or federal deficits, according to a new poll released Monday. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...mericans-dont- like-health-care-bill/?fbid=SrzW3C7j_y That means the bill is very good. The way politics work is that "Nobody won". Look it up! This bill will help my family considerably. *My %^$%#^%$ insurance company already has been raising my rates constantly, and trying to give us the runaround. *This thing, as odd as it is, will make a difference in several important salient health-related details, cost not being a big deal among them. Bruce You can fire them, up until Obama signs it into law. *Then you are forced to have insurance or accept government health care. Too bad, you're forced by Obama to pay someone you hate. You make it sound like you'll never ever, ever never need health care for as long as you live. *Which is an impossibility, of course. *So just cough up the cash and stop being an idiot about it. Never... I will go to Obama-land Prison first. Where you will pay for food, water, sewer, Cable, clothes and electric and room and board.... So you're a socialist. NO... it makes me stubborn, and principled, and expensive for tax payers like you. Do you drive without car insurance, or do your principles end there? Maybe he's like my neighbors down the road. They paid cash for their house, almost $200K in 1994, and never got insurance. In early 2007, it burned to the ground, due to an electrical problem in the attic, they lost 50 years of family pics and everything else they owned. They said on TV, =3FWe never thought we would need it!=3F. Morons. How cheap do you have to be to not have homeowner=3Fs insurance? I went by the empty lot a few minutes ago, and there they were, sitting in their car, like they usually are. There=3Fs nothing there, so I have no idea why they do this. Doesn=3Ft matter how bad the weather is, most days, they are sitting there in the car, or on nicer days, folding chairs. It appears that they are finally going to start rebuilding soon, as there are stakes that were put in recently. -- BDK, leader of the non-jew, non-existant jew paid shills! |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
If I lived in a small town and close enough to a food store, I wouldn't
need a car/van/truck.I would make a little trailer for my bicycle (I own a made in Germany 1976 Hercules Moped too, it has bicycle pedals on it) and use that to go to the food store, other stores around town. Some people just do not want the hassels of owning and maintaining a car/van/truck.Same as with computers too, I know some people who do not own/use a computer.They are not missing anything at all neither. cuhulin, the Bicycle |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 25, 7:40*am, wrote:
If I lived in a small town and close enough to a food store, I wouldn't need a car/van/truck.I would make a little trailer for my bicycle (I own a made in Germany 1976 Hercules Moped too, it has bicycle pedals on it) and use that to go to the food store, other stores around town. Some people just do not want the hassels of owning and maintaining a car/van/truck.Same as with computers too, I know some people who do not own/use a computer.They are not missing anything at all neither. cuhulin, the Bicycle Whoops! Not trying to start trouble, but... If they are not missing anything with a computer, then what are you doing here? Isn't this comment sort of a self-indictment? Actually, it used to be that everything now on the internet was available in print or on media from somewhere - possibly hard-to-find or inconvenient to locate, but available. The internet puts almost everything at your fingertips, as well as providing a social gatheirng place. I think you know this, and I think you'd miss it for sure :-) Bruce |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 25, 6:41*am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy-
wrote: On 3/25/2010 8:30 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: I have no car but I drive others cars, and I can legally ride a motorcycle without any insurance. Pardon me for asking, but why don't you have a car? Economic reasons or other reasons? Because I want to F*ck your Socialist Society as much as possible.... The cost is taxed and taxed again, SO the government is taking a big hit with each person that quits driving. * I have a bicycle and live close to most anything I want. For better or for worse, our society is pretty much based on the automobile (generally speaking, lousy public transportation, spread out suburban areas, etc). Yes I know And I was OK with it 30 years ago but then I had kids and started fighting the Government encroachment into my family and my life and I've been at it ever since. * I'm chuckling at people just catching on to the fact that your society has become a Socialist society. Talk about asleep at the wheel, Socialism has been growing in teh education system since I was a student and I have seen what 40 years of indoctrination has done to the Nation. *So I take every chance I can get to F*ck the government out of a dime. *It seems so much better than letting things come to a point where civil war breaks out and people start shooting at each other. I could be out spending money and enjoying Society, but that would be less than living up to my commitment to freedom and a bit hypocritical, so I give up some things to try to make a better life for my children, freedom is always better than planned indoctrination and tax slavery. Wow, what a bitter, angry person you must be. You want to make life better for your children, and I do not fault you for that, but such an attitude passed onto them will fill their lives with a lot of anguish. Oh well, they're your kids - do with them what you will. |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
I was born on November 5,1941.For about 57 - 58 years I did A OK without
internet access.Would I miss internet access now? Probally, for a while.I can easily do without internet access.I would probally be much happier too.Same with tv, Our first tv set was one my brother bought (secondhand) back in the 1950s. cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 25, 8:30*am, wrote:
I was born on November 5,1941.For about 57 - 58 years I did A OK without internet access.Would I miss internet access now? Probally, for a while.I can easily do without internet access.I would probally be much happier too.Same with tv, Our first tv set was one my brother bought (secondhand) back in the 1950s. cuhulin !!! What would you and Doggie do without classic movies???!!!??? |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
Doggy and I would step across Highway 80 to the Be Bop store and order
all the classic movies we want.It would be cheaper in the long run, no more paying for DirecTV, over seventy dollars each month. cuhulin |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On Mar 25, 10:29*am, wrote:
Doggy and I would step across Highway 80 to the Be Bop store and order all the classic movies we want.It would be cheaper in the long run, no more paying for DirecTV, over seventy dollars each month. cuhulin Yeah, but either way, it takes a TV to watch it... |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
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CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
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CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
On 3/25/2010 7:27 PM, BDK wrote:
In article fa86fc24-128d-4d50-8ba0-a6a4eea55d99 @w39g2000prd.googlegroups.com, says... On Mar 25, 6:41 am, Beam Me Up Scotty Then-Destroy- wrote: On 3/25/2010 8:30 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: Beam Me Up Scotty wrote: I have no car but I drive others cars, and I can legally ride a motorcycle without any insurance. Pardon me for asking, but why don't you have a car? Economic reasons or other reasons? Because I want to F*ck your Socialist Society as much as possible.... The cost is taxed and taxed again, SO the government is taking a big hit with each person that quits driving. I have a bicycle and live close to most anything I want. For better or for worse, our society is pretty much based on the automobile (generally speaking, lousy public transportation, spread out suburban areas, etc). Yes I know And I was OK with it 30 years ago but then I had kids and started fighting the Government encroachment into my family and my life and I've been at it ever since. I'm chuckling at people just catching on to the fact that your society has become a Socialist society. Talk about asleep at the wheel, Socialism has been growing in teh education system since I was a student and I have seen what 40 years of indoctrination has done to the Nation. So I take every chance I can get to F*ck the government out of a dime. It seems so much better than letting things come to a point where civil war breaks out and people start shooting at each other. I could be out spending money and enjoying Society, but that would be less than living up to my commitment to freedom and a bit hypocritical, so I give up some things to try to make a better life for my children, freedom is always better than planned indoctrination and tax slavery. Wow, what a bitter, angry person you must be. You want to make life better for your children, and I do not fault you for that, but such an attitude passed onto them will fill their lives with a lot of anguish. Oh well, they're your kids - do with them what you will. The idea of his being a parent scares the hell out of me. I bet those kids are real basket cases. I feel sorry for you kids! You must be some worthless parents, I'd die for my kids if need be. A little scrapping for them to have freedom is nothing, to me it's just like any other challenge..... you can run and hide or hit the ground running and meet it head on. Did you teach your kids to roll over and play dead like you every time government wants to screw them? |
CNN poll: Republicans don't like health care bill
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http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/r...?ArtNum=286323 There are at least two Caterpillar Remanufacturing Facilities here in Mississippi.They remanufacture those Caterpillar engines and Caterpillar parts as good as new or better than new.About two something years ago a tornado caused some heavy damage to one of those facilities/buildings. http://www.devilfinder.com Caterpillar Remanufacturing Facilities in Mississippi Like Patrick Swayze said in that movie,,, Caterpillar! cuhulin, the Caterpillar |
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