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dave March 31st 10 02:39 PM

SPECIAL: 'Climategate' probe clears scientists
 
LONDON — The first of several British investigations into the e-mails
leaked from one of the world's leading climate research centers has
largely vindicated the scientists involved.

The House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee said Wednesday
that they'd seen no evidence to support charges that the University of
East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit or its director, Phil Jones, had
tampered with data or perverted the peer review process to exaggerate
the threat of global warming – two of the most serious criticisms levied
against the climatologist and his colleagues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_519644.html

AzzMazta March 31st 10 11:32 PM

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:39:21 -0800, dave wrote:

to exaggerate
the threat of global warming ¡V two of the most serious criticisms levied
against the climatologist and his colleagues.


When are they going to finally admit that at least parts of the globe are
experiencing cooling?

Why do they hold on to the warming theory when for the past 15 years we
have had irregular extreme weather patterns here in Northeast PA?

Last year was the worst, it snowed in June, and we had a brief summer until
snowing in September!

And lets not forget the resulting flooding of the Delaware River we have
had EVERY SPRING for the past 15 YEARS!!! Some of the roads here have been
closed off for almost 10 years because of this.

We used to be a popular retirement area. No more - now everyone's retiring
to the Carolinas to avoid the cold and terrible roads.

I know why - in the minds of stupid politicians it's easy to create a
linkage between pollution and holes in the ozone layer so as to create a
platform plank (and money-making scam in the private sphere) where none
should exist.

Stop lying! And if you're not, let us know when global warming is expected
up here so we can have the permanent summers we so desperately want! Or at
least a normal spring beginning in March!

--

AzzMazta's Political Institute
Verbal Diarrhea & More
Washington, DC
(www.xcopfly.com)

bpnjensen April 1st 10 03:38 AM

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On Mar 31, 3:32*pm, AzzMazta wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:39:21 -0800, dave wrote:
to exaggerate
the threat of global warming V two of the most serious criticisms levied
against the climatologist and his colleagues.


When are they going to finally admit that at least parts of the globe are
experiencing cooling?

Why do they hold on to the warming theory when for the past 15 years we
have had irregular extreme weather patterns here in Northeast PA?

Last year was the worst, it snowed in June, and we had a brief summer until
snowing in September!

And lets not forget the resulting flooding of the Delaware River we have
had EVERY SPRING for the past 15 YEARS!!! Some of the roads here have been
closed off for almost 10 years because of this.

We used to be a popular retirement area. No more - now everyone's retiring
to the Carolinas to avoid the cold and terrible roads.

I know why - in the minds of stupid politicians it's easy to create a
linkage between pollution and holes in the ozone layer so as to create a
platform plank (and money-making scam in the private sphere) where none
should exist.

Stop lying! And if you're not, let us know when global warming is expected
up here so we can have the permanent summers we so desperately want! Or at
least a normal spring beginning in March!

--

AzzMazta's Political Institute
Verbal Diarrhea & More
Washington, DC
(www.xcopfly.com)


Actually, if you had been paying attention, you would know that almost
everybody already knows that some areas are cooling, warming, getting
drier, getting wetter, etc - the term is "climate change" or "climate
forcing," "global warming" is a misnomer that is perpetuated by people
for whom it pays to cause misinformation to persist.

I have no idea what the ozone hole connection is at this late date -
sounds like you just woke up from 20 years ago.

I hope you get your permanent summer - Death Valley is so delightful,
everybody should be allowed to enjoy it.

dave April 1st 10 02:07 PM

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AzzMazta wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 05:39:21 -0800, dave wrote:

to exaggerate
the threat of global warming ¡V two of the most serious criticisms levied
against the climatologist and his colleagues.


When are they going to finally admit that at least parts of the globe are
experiencing cooling?

Why do they hold on to the warming theory when for the past 15 years we
have had irregular extreme weather patterns here in Northeast PA?

Last year was the worst, it snowed in June, and we had a brief summer until
snowing in September!

And lets not forget the resulting flooding of the Delaware River we have
had EVERY SPRING for the past 15 YEARS!!! Some of the roads here have been
closed off for almost 10 years because of this.

We used to be a popular retirement area. No more - now everyone's retiring
to the Carolinas to avoid the cold and terrible roads.

I know why - in the minds of stupid politicians it's easy to create a
linkage between pollution and holes in the ozone layer so as to create a
platform plank (and money-making scam in the private sphere) where none
should exist.

Stop lying! And if you're not, let us know when global warming is expected
up here so we can have the permanent summers we so desperately want! Or at
least a normal spring beginning in March!

Canada and Siberia are baking. Your little corner of the world is cooler.

Weather is not climate.

AzzMazta[_2_] April 4th 10 02:31 AM

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On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:38:49 -0700, bpnjensen wrote:

the term is "climate change" or "climate
forcing," "global warming" is a misnomer that is perpetuated by people
for whom it pays to cause misinformation to persist.


Total doublespeak. As evidenced by the newsgroup I CC'ed the reply to.

--

AzzMazta's Political Institute
Verbal Diarrhea & More
Washington, DC
(http://www.xcopfly.com/)

[email protected] April 4th 10 04:20 AM

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Day time temps here are in the 80s.Heap Big Spring time.
http://www.wxusa.com/wx1/Jackson-MS.htm

Won't be Heap Big much longer and the day time temps here will be in the
Heap Big 90s.Sometimes in the Heap Big 100.Heap Big Summer time.Heap Big
Hot Weather.

Currently, 62 degrees in Jackson.Currently, 71 degrees inside of my
flower box on doggy's front porch.
Heap Big,,,, Heap Big,,,, Heap Big,,,,,,,,

NO Such Thing as global warming!
cuhulin


bpnjensen April 4th 10 05:50 AM

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On Apr 3, 6:31*pm, AzzMazta wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:38:49 -0700, bpnjensen wrote:
the term is "climate change" or "climate
forcing," "global warming" is a misnomer that is perpetuated by people
for whom it pays to cause misinformation to persist.


Total doublespeak. As evidenced by the newsgroup I CC'ed the reply to.

--

AzzMazta's Political Institute
Verbal Diarrhea & More
Washington, DC
(http://www.xcopfly.com/)


That's not the point, cement-head. You have no clue what you're
talking about, as proven by your totally outdated jargon that even the
knowledgeable naysayers left behind years ago.

AzzMazta[_2_] April 6th 10 09:46 PM

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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:50:43 -0700, bpnjensen wrote:

On Apr 3, 6:31Â*pm, AzzMazta wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:38:49 -0700, bpnjensen wrote:
the term is "climate change" or "climate
forcing," "global warming" is a misnomer that is perpetuated by
people for whom it pays to cause misinformation to persist.



As evidenced by the newsgroup I CC'ed the reply to.


That's not the point, cement-head. You have no clue what you're talking
about, as proven by your totally outdated jargon that even the
knowledgeable naysayers left behind years ago.


So the name of the newsgroup is a dated term? From what I understand the
word "global warming" is still used by the media, even by believers. Most
people are finally admitting it's not-warming-everywhere "climate change"
now?

Also, you in the group keep referring to the effect of CFCs on the ozone
as "dated", I know they are banned now, but I was referring to how only
using the word "warm" could link the climate change issue to holes
created by greenhouse gases in the minds of non-intellectuals (such as
politicians). Thus "Global Warming" becomes a platform plank where we
need to (de)regulate business activity based on more than just short-term
health problems. "Climate Change" is harder to prove.

--

AzzMazta's Political Institute
Verbal Diarrhea & More
Washington, DC
(http://www.xcopfly.com/)

bpnjensen April 6th 10 10:28 PM

SPECIAL: 'Climategate' probe clears scientists
 
On Apr 6, 1:46*pm, AzzMazta wrote:
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:50:43 -0700, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 3, 6:31*pm, AzzMazta wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:38:49 -0700, bpnjensen wrote:
the term is "climate change" or "climate
forcing," "global warming" is a misnomer that is perpetuated by
people for whom it pays to cause misinformation to persist.


As evidenced by the newsgroup I CC'ed the reply to.


That's not the point, cement-head. *You have no clue what you're talking
about, as proven by your totally outdated jargon that even the
knowledgeable naysayers left behind years ago.


So the name of the newsgroup is a dated term? From what I understand the
word "global warming" is still used by the media, even by believers. Most
people are finally admitting it's not-warming-everywhere "climate change"
now?

Also, you in the group keep referring to the effect of CFCs on the ozone
as "dated", I know they are banned now, but I was referring to how only
using the word "warm" could link the climate change issue to holes
created by greenhouse gases in the minds of non-intellectuals (such as
politicians). Thus "Global Warming" becomes a platform plank where we
need to (de)regulate business activity based on more than just short-term
health problems. "Climate Change" is harder to prove.

--

AzzMazta's Political Institute
Verbal Diarrhea & More
Washington, DC
(http://www.xcopfly.com/)


Now I know why your signature has "verbal diarrhea" in it.

[email protected] April 6th 10 11:02 PM

SPECIAL: 'Climategate' probe clears scientists
 
Prayers for the West Virginia coal Miners.
cuhulin


BobS[_3_] April 7th 10 01:11 AM

SPECIAL: 'Climategate' probe clears scientists
 
On 4/6/2010 6:02 PM, wrote:
Prayers for the West Virginia coal Miners.
cuhulin



And prayers will do what exactly?

[email protected] April 7th 10 02:36 AM

SPECIAL: 'Climategate' probe clears scientists
 
O Store Gud
http://rosemck1.tripod.com/how-great...-and-choir.wav

Have a little Homily.
cuhulin


bpnjensen April 7th 10 02:51 AM

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On Apr 6, 5:11*pm, BobS wrote:
On 4/6/2010 6:02 PM, wrote:

Prayers for the West Virginia coal Miners.
cuhulin


And prayers will do what exactly?


I do think it's pretty terrible that in the USA, in the year 2010, it
is possible for this kind of preventable accident to happen again.
That company ought to pay a lifetime of restitution to the families
whose breadwinners they recklessly employed.

Here is what doofus-in-charge Blankenship said:

"I think every accident should be prevented, that's what the
definition of an accident is," said Blankenship. "Once we know what
happened, we'll know whether it was preventable by someone or not."

This guy is a walking oxymoron. EVERY accident is preventable unless
it is deliberate sabotage. Period. No explosions occur where the
ventilation reduces the volatile gas level to low enough amounts, and
this company did not make the appropriate effort to ensure adequate
ventilation.

Bruce Jensen

[email protected] April 7th 10 04:27 AM

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Schoolcraft,Michigan, in and around Kalamazoo.Six inches of hail, some
overturned vehicles, some of them are Big vehicles too.Yes, I just now
saw it on WJTV 10:00 PM tv news.

Ahh reckymembers ah old Kalamazoo song frum wayyyyyy bak enna dee 1950s
at ooosed tah bee onna dee radio oncet enna ah wyle.

K A L A M A Z O Ohhhhhhhhh,,,,, I have a gal in
Kalamazoooo,,,,,,,,

Heh,,, Ahh reckons y'all dunce nose dat old Kalamazoo song thangy.Ahh
noes dee Big Noise From Winetka song tuu.Winetka izza en Illynoise, knot
tuu furr frum Shecargo.
cuhulin


D. Peter Maus[_2_] April 7th 10 05:33 AM

SPECIAL: 'Climategate' probe clears scientists
 
On 4/6/10 20:51 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 6, 5:11 pm, wrote:
On 4/6/2010 6:02 PM, wrote:

Prayers for the West Virginia coal Miners.
cuhulin


And prayers will do what exactly?


I do think it's pretty terrible that in the USA, in the year 2010, it
is possible for this kind of preventable accident to happen again.
That company ought to pay a lifetime of restitution to the families
whose breadwinners they recklessly employed.

Here is what doofus-in-charge Blankenship said:

"I think every accident should be prevented, that's what the
definition of an accident is," said Blankenship. "Once we know what
happened, we'll know whether it was preventable by someone or not."

This guy is a walking oxymoron. EVERY accident is preventable unless
it is deliberate sabotage. Period. No explosions occur where the
ventilation reduces the volatile gas level to low enough amounts, and
this company did not make the appropriate effort to ensure adequate
ventilation.

Bruce Jensen



Actually, coal dust is nearly as explosive as gas in the mines.



Joe from Kokomo[_2_] April 7th 10 12:21 PM

SPECIAL: 'Climategate' probe clears scientists
 

On 4/6/10 20:51 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 6, 5:11 pm, wrote:
On 4/6/2010 6:02 PM, wrote:

Prayers for the West Virginia coal Miners.
cuhulin

And prayers will do what exactly?


I do think it's pretty terrible that in the USA, in the year 2010, it
is possible for this kind of preventable accident to happen again.
That company ought to pay a lifetime of restitution to the families
whose breadwinners they recklessly employed.

Here is what doofus-in-charge Blankenship said:

"I think every accident should be prevented, that's what the
definition of an accident is," said Blankenship. "Once we know what
happened, we'll know whether it was preventable by someone or not."

This guy is a walking oxymoron. EVERY accident is preventable unless
it is deliberate sabotage. Period. No explosions occur where the
ventilation reduces the volatile gas level to low enough amounts, and
this company did not make the appropriate effort to ensure adequate
ventilation.

Bruce Jensen


On 4/7/2010 12:33 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, coal dust is nearly as explosive as gas in the mines.


Yes it is -- and they were fined for that too, in addition to being
fined for not clearing the methane.

In any event and however you slice it (and as demonstrted by film clips
of the guy's own words), the guy seems to be a real slime ball. Another
example of greed run amok.

I wonder if the fine townsfolk of Montcoal will decide to tar and
feather Blankenship or at least run him out of town on a rail.

D. Peter Maus[_2_] April 7th 10 01:28 PM

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On 4/7/10 06:21 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 4/6/10 20:51 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 6, 5:11 pm, wrote:
On 4/6/2010 6:02 PM, wrote:

Prayers for the West Virginia coal Miners.
cuhulin

And prayers will do what exactly?

I do think it's pretty terrible that in the USA, in the year 2010, it
is possible for this kind of preventable accident to happen again.
That company ought to pay a lifetime of restitution to the families
whose breadwinners they recklessly employed.

Here is what doofus-in-charge Blankenship said:

"I think every accident should be prevented, that's what the
definition of an accident is," said Blankenship. "Once we know what
happened, we'll know whether it was preventable by someone or not."

This guy is a walking oxymoron. EVERY accident is preventable unless
it is deliberate sabotage. Period. No explosions occur where the
ventilation reduces the volatile gas level to low enough amounts, and
this company did not make the appropriate effort to ensure adequate
ventilation.

Bruce Jensen


On 4/7/2010 12:33 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, coal dust is nearly as explosive as gas in the mines.


Yes it is -- and they were fined for that too, in addition to being
fined for not clearing the methane.

In any event and however you slice it (and as demonstrted by film clips
of the guy's own words), the guy seems to be a real slime ball.




No doubt. I was just making the point that gas isn't the only
explosive in coal mining. And that explosions occur where gas may not.

One of the advantages of strip mining is that such preventatives
are more easily managed and implemented. Although, with the
disastrous impact on the local environment that strip mining is
known for.

I spend a summer every year, and occasional weekends the rest of
the year, doing photographic work for an immense global mining
company that's cleaning up sites they've inherited through the
acquisition of other companies.These sites aren't even their work,
and are often closed for decades prior to acquisition. And yet, the
company moves in, sets up community outreach offices, and begins
soil testing and remediation operations of their own volition, at
their own cost.

I get to see some of the profound scars left behind by these
operations, not only from the mining operations, but the ore
processing and subsequent smelting, as well. One waterway, recently
cleaned up, glowed orange before they began. Another had settled
toxic metal waste across the landscape for miles around a smelter
that hadn't been used since the 30's. The cleanup is extensive,
expensive, and meticulous. All of this being done voluntarily at the
company's own expense. My purpose is to document their work. For
newsletters, annual reports, and various filings.

Working closely with the departments within the company
addressing these areas, I get to see the commitment to the cause,
and the level of responsibility taken by these operations. It's an
amazing thing to see. An exciting thing to be a part of.

It's a shame this dickface in Virginia puts such a hideous face
on an industry in which there really are responsible players.





dave April 7th 10 02:57 PM

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D. Peter Maus wrote:


Actually, coal dust is nearly as explosive as gas in the mines.



Or grain dust or sawdust or etc.

dave April 7th 10 02:59 PM

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D. Peter Maus wrote:


I get to see some of the profound scars left behind by these operations,
not only from the mining operations, but the ore processing and
subsequent smelting, as well. One waterway, recently cleaned up, glowed
orange before they began. Another had settled toxic metal waste across
the landscape for miles around a smelter that hadn't been used since the
30's. The cleanup is extensive, expensive, and meticulous. All of this
being done voluntarily at the company's own expense. My purpose is to
document their work. For newsletters, annual reports, and various filings.


Such as tax credits? How magnanimous.

[email protected] April 7th 10 03:23 PM

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Rudolph Diesel (Inventor of the Diesel engine) tried to run his Diesel
engine on Coal, Coal dust/powdered Coal,,, the engine blew up!

Back in the 1970s, Cadillac experimented with running an engine on
powdered Coal.I think it was a 1974 Cadillac car that the people at
Cadillac had rigged up to run on powdered Coal.I have an old auto
magazine floatin around here somewhere which has an article about the
Cadillac Coal car.

http://www.devilfinder.com
Will nuclear batteries power our cars?
cuhulin



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