Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

Are you Dopes still smoking DOPE?

www.soberforever.net

Hopefully you can find a support group that will help you kick your
addiction.

Now if I only knew where you lived so I could talk to your Cop
neighbor, maybe he could talk some sense into you.

by the by, did Bakka ever score with all his adopted teeny bopper
"nieces" (you know, the ones he use to climb trees with)? :-) (Afro
Style)

maybe its none of my business, but heres a quote from my "cop neighbor"--
"We dont care about weed."
And by the by, its pretty much legal here, and its not the 1950's anymore.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

nurk_fred2000 wrote:
Are you Dopes still smoking DOPE?

www.soberforever.net

Hopefully you can find a support group that will help you kick your
addiction.

Now if I only knew where you lived so I could talk to your Cop
neighbor, maybe he could talk some sense into you.


There's a permanent in junction from the California State Supreme Court
that prevents local law enforcement from arresting a medical marijuana
patient for simple possession or use. This is between me and my medical
practitioners.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 21, 6:08*am, dave wrote:
nurk_fred2000 wrote:
Are you Dopes still smoking DOPE?

www.soberforever.net

Hopefully you can find a support group that will help you kick your
addiction.

Now if I only knew where you lived so I could talk to your Cop
neighbor, maybe he could talk some sense into you.

There's a permanent in junction from the California State Supreme Court
that prevents local law enforcement from arresting a medical marijuana
patient for simple possession or use. *This is between me and my medical
practitioners.

I wonder in Nurk-fred ever swills down the suds (or the more
concentrated toxic forms). There are millions of people in this
country who live in very thin glass houses.

Me, I just eat chocolate :-)

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 21, 11:02*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 21, 6:08*am, dave wrote:

nurk_fred2000 wrote:
Are you Dopes still smoking DOPE?

www.soberforever.net

Hopefully you can find a support group that will help you kick your
addiction.

Now if I only knew where you lived so I could talk to your Cop
neighbor, maybe he could talk some sense into you.

There's a permanent in junction from the California State Supreme Court
that prevents local law enforcement from arresting a medical marijuana
patient for simple possession or use. *This is between me and my medical
practitioners.

I wonder in Nurk-fred ever swills down the suds (or the more
concentrated toxic forms). *There are millions of people in this
country who live in very thin glass houses.

Me, I just eat chocolate :-)

Unfortunately Bruce, a response like that will bring about the Kryspie
Kreme. He will be here in 4-3-2-1 :-)

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 20, 8:17*pm, nurk_fred2000 wrote:
Are you Dopes still smoking DOPE?

www.soberforever.net

Hopefully you can find a support group that will help you kick your
addiction.

Now if I only knew where you lived so I could talk to your Cop
neighbor, maybe he could talk some sense into you.

by the by, did Bakka ever score with all his adopted teeny bopper
"nieces" (you know, the ones he use to climb trees with)? :-) (Afro
Style)

What do you say Fred.:-) Yeah, unfortunately starting a thread like
that will do nothing but bring Krypsie over here.:-(

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

bpnjensen wrote:

I wonder in Nurk-fred ever swills down the suds (or the more
concentrated toxic forms). There are millions of people in this
country who live in very thin glass houses.

Me, I just eat chocolate :-)

For the first time in my life I'm stable and sustainable. This involves
small amounts of caffeine, cannabis, hydromorphone, paracetamol,
fluoxetine, various metabolic moderators, and a meat-free diet.

I retire early and get up early. Am relatively healthy and wealthy.
Wise? Remains to be seen.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 23, 5:28*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
I wonder in Nurk-fred ever swills down the suds (or the more
concentrated toxic forms). *There are millions of people in this
country who live in very thin glass houses.

Me, I just eat chocolate :-)

For the first time in my life I'm stable and sustainable. *This involves
small amounts of caffeine, cannabis, hydromorphone, paracetamol,
fluoxetine, various metabolic moderators, and a meat-free diet.

I retire early and get up early. *Am relatively healthy and wealthy.
Wise? *Remains to be seen.

Eh - too biotechnical for me. I just eats chow. Meat-free, of
course. Also avoid the eggs and dairy when possible (except
chocolate). More power to you, though! I admire anyone who can
develop a good regimen and stick to it. There is certainly *some*
kind of wisdom in that...

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

Rainin anna oilso stormy lookin anna thunderin ober hyar rats now.Ahh
wuz makin sum trym peeces furr mah fryunt poach, peeces dat gos wayyyyy
uppa thar.

Recycling cars in Wales, onna dee Discovery Science channel rite now,
100,000 junk cars eberry yier, beeg giunt mahcheen shreds em up.Eberry
noo car hassa sum junk car metal enema it.Maynard G. Krebs (that big
wrecking ball) would just Love to watch dat tee vee program.
cuhulin

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

I would like to plant a GPS bug on his car and see where he goes ridin.
cuhulin

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 23, 8:28*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
I wonder in Nurk-fred ever swills down the suds (or the more
concentrated toxic forms). *There are millions of people in this
country who live in very thin glass houses.

Me, I just eat chocolate :-)

For the first time in my life I'm stable and sustainable. *This involves
small amounts of caffeine, cannabis, hydromorphone, paracetamol,
fluoxetine, various metabolic moderators, and a meat-free diet.

I retire early and get up early. *Am relatively healthy and wealthy.
Wise? *Remains to be seen.

Dave, you may have mentioned it in here before and I just don't
remember it. But apparently there is something wrong with you health
wise? Of course I know of the caffeine (which I don't do because it
increases pain in most people- me being one) and pot (which I don't do
because it's illegal.) But what are the other three? The one ending in
morphone I take - is a pain reliever narcotic? What's the other two if
I may ask? Because I'm not looking them up.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 24, 8:40*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Eh - too biotechnical for me. *I just eats chow. *Meat-free, of
course. *Also avoid the eggs and dairy when possible (except
chocolate). *More power to you, though! *I admire anyone who can
develop a good regimen and stick to it. *There is certainly *some*
kind of wisdom in that...

If trial and error and learning the hard way equals wisdom, I am ****ing
King Solomon.

Ha!

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

bpnjensen wrote:


Eh - too biotechnical for me. I just eats chow. Meat-free, of
course. Also avoid the eggs and dairy when possible (except
chocolate). More power to you, though! I admire anyone who can
develop a good regimen and stick to it. There is certainly *some*
kind of wisdom in that...

If trial and error and learning the hard way equals wisdom, I am ****ing
King Solomon.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

Gregg wrote:
On Apr 23, 8:28 am, wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
I wonder in Nurk-fred ever swills down the suds (or the more
concentrated toxic forms). There are millions of people in this
country who live in very thin glass houses.

Me, I just eat chocolate :-)

For the first time in my life I'm stable and sustainable. This involves
small amounts of caffeine, cannabis, hydromorphone, paracetamol,
fluoxetine, various metabolic moderators, and a meat-free diet.

I retire early and get up early. Am relatively healthy and wealthy.
Wise? Remains to be seen.

Dave, you may have mentioned it in here before and I just don't
remember it. But apparently there is something wrong with you health
wise? Of course I know of the caffeine (which I don't do because it
increases pain in most people- me being one) and pot (which I don't do
because it's illegal.) But what are the other three? The one ending in
morphone I take - is a pain reliever narcotic? What's the other two if
I may ask? Because I'm not looking them up.

All my chronic conditions are under control.

Paracetamol is Tylenol. Fluoxetine is Prozac. Metformin is for blood
sugar. Hydrochlorothiazide is for hypertension. I also take something
for HT and my prostate (*zosin). And a little statin pill. All my labs
are really good. I'm slowly and steadily losing weight. Arthritis is
the only ailment that actually affects my physical abilities. I can
still climb and push **** around on wheels. Lifting is problematic.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

Pet owners concerned with resistant heartworms.
http://www.clarionledger.com

I give doggy a Heartguard tablet on the first day of each month and on
the fifteenth day of each month I apply a tube of Bayer Advantage 55 to
the top of her neck behind her dog collar.

Don't let your pets get sick and die.
cuhulin

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 24, 5:40*am, dave wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:

Eh - too biotechnical for me. *I just eats chow. *Meat-free, of
course. *Also avoid the eggs and dairy when possible (except
chocolate). *More power to you, though! *I admire anyone who can
develop a good regimen and stick to it. *There is certainly *some*
kind of wisdom in that...

If trial and error and learning the hard way equals wisdom, I am ****ing
King Solomon.

I believe you hit the nail on the head. There is no school for wisdom
like the school of hard knocks.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 24, 9:34*am, wrote:
Pet owners concerned with resistant heartworms.http://www.clarionledger.com

I give doggy a Heartguard tablet on the first day of each month and on
the fifteenth day of each month I apply a tube of Bayer Advantage 55 to
the top of her neck behind her dog collar.

Don't let your pets get sick and die.
cuhulin

I hear ya.

Our old departed dog Buster had a life-threatening disease from age 7
onward.

10 years later he was still with us.

....but he got old, and his quality of life had gotten pretty low - so
we gave him rest.

I still miss him terribly after a year gone :-(

RIP Buster

Bruce

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 24, 9:11*am, dave wrote:
Gregg wrote:
On Apr 23, 8:28 am, *wrote:
bpnjensen wrote:
I wonder in Nurk-fred ever swills down the suds (or the more
concentrated toxic forms). *There are millions of people in this
country who live in very thin glass houses.

Me, I just eat chocolate :-)

For the first time in my life I'm stable and sustainable. *This involves
small amounts of caffeine, cannabis, hydromorphone, paracetamol,
fluoxetine, various metabolic moderators, and a meat-free diet.

I retire early and get up early. *Am relatively healthy and wealthy.
Wise? *Remains to be seen.

Dave, you may have mentioned it in here before and I just don't
remember it. But apparently there is something wrong with you health
wise? Of course I know of the caffeine (which I don't do because it
increases pain in most people- me being one) and pot (which I don't do
because it's illegal.) But what are the other three? The one ending in
morphone I take - is a pain reliever narcotic? What's the other two if
I may ask? Because I'm not looking them up.

All my chronic conditions are under control.

Paracetamol is Tylenol. Fluoxetine is Prozac. *Metformin is for blood
sugar. *Hydrochlorothiazide is for hypertension. *I also take something
for HT and my prostate (*zosin). *And a little statin pill. *All my labs
are really good. *I'm slowly and steadily losing weight. *Arthritis is
the only ailment that actually affects my physical abilities. *I can
still climb and push **** around on wheels. *Lifting is problematic.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

10-4 Good to hear you have a pretty good grip on it, I know it sucks
health wise when everything isn't peachy.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

Gregg wrote:


10-4 Good to hear you have a pretty good grip on it, I know it sucks
health wise when everything isn't peachy.


I was supposed to live fast and die young. 1 outa 2 ain't bad.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

I have a heart murmer, always have had that.Somehow the Army doctors
didn't catch it though.I nearly died when I was a year old.These
cigarettes are killing me now.
cuhulin

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 25, 4:57*pm, wrote:
I have a heart murmer, always have had that.Somehow the Army doctors
didn't catch it though.I nearly died when I was a year old.These
cigarettes are killing me now.
cuhulin

Here is a tip if you are going to smoke. Don't buy the store bought
cigs that are already rolled.

I really believe that it isn't the tobacco itself (most of the time)
that kills folks, it's the poisons they spray on the tobacco and the
stuff to make it burn faster so you will smoke more....now they have
added another chemical so if you don't puff within a minute your cig
goes out - all along leaving in the 'other' chemical to make it burn
faster. Makes sense huh?

Roll your own - most of the tobacco you buy in the tub or small packs
don't have near the same amount of crap as do the name cig companies.
Buy you a roller or a machine and buy your own filters/papers, you'll
be able too tell the difference....if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 4:39*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:
Gregg wrote:
if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process.

If you have the will power (a scarce quality in low class folk)
and can get through the cold turkey detox phase
you'll have even more money to apply to some SWL gear.

--

Yeah, I smoked for eight/nine years. I was never really a heavy
smoker, the last couple of years that I smoked - I smoked anywhere
from four to nine a day....never wanted to get into double digits -
pretty weird huh? I just quit all together. Even when I did smoke
though, after the first couple of years, I switched to buying my own
tobacco/filters and papers....there was no way I was going to spend
that much money on a lousy pack of smokes.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

Bob Dobbs wrote:
Gregg wrote:
if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process.

If you have the will power (a scarce quality in low class folk)
and can get through the cold turkey detox phase
you'll have even more money to apply to some SWL gear.


I quit when I realized I was smoking a Stratocaster every 3 months.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On 4/26/2010 4:03 AM, Gregg wrote:

Here is a tip if you are going to smoke. Don't buy the store bought
cigs that are already rolled.

I really believe that it isn't the tobacco itself (most of the time)
that kills folks, it's the poisons they spray on the tobacco and the
stuff to make it burn faster so you will smoke more....now they have
added another chemical so if you don't puff within a minute your cig
goes out - all along leaving in the 'other' chemical to make it burn
faster. Makes sense huh?

No, it really doesn't make sense.

Smoking, with or without the "added poisons" that may (or may not) be
there, is absolutely horrible for the human body. Nicotine itself is a
deadly poison. The many byproducts of combustion are equally deadly to
the human body.

Roll your own - most of the tobacco you buy in the tub or small packs
don't have near the same amount of crap as do the name cig companies.

And you know this how? Might it be possible that the small roll-your-own
companies buy their tobacco from the big producers?

Have you considered that the roll-your-own companies may want *their*
product to also burn faster so they can sell you more, just like the big
boys do?

Bottom line: the roll-your-owns will kill you just as dead as the
name-brands.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

I quit smoking in 1972, for nineteen years.Then I lit up a Pall Mall cig
and I was back at square one.I hand roll my cigs.TOP, ZigZag, Bugler cig
tobacco.I think there are some Indians in Mississippi who sell cig
tobacco.I might see about that.
cuhulin

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 1:39*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:
Gregg wrote:
if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process.

If you have the will power (a scarce quality in low class folk)
and can get through the cold turkey detox phase
you'll have even more money to apply to some SWL gear.

--

Operator Bob
Echo Charlie 42

No kidding - at the rate my Dad chugged through cigarettes, we could
have had a couple of new rigs a year, with plenty left for a nice
vacation.

Bruce

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 2:03*am, Gregg wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:39*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:

Gregg wrote:
if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process.

If you have the will power (a scarce quality in low class folk)
and can get through the cold turkey detox phase
you'll have even more money to apply to some SWL gear.

--

Yeah, I smoked for eight/nine years. I was never really a heavy
smoker, the last couple of years that *I smoked - I smoked anywhere
from four to nine a day....never wanted to get into double digits -
pretty weird huh? I just quit all together. Even when I did smoke
though, after the first couple of years, I switched to buying my own
tobacco/filters and papers....there was no way I was going to spend
that much money on a lousy pack of smokes.

Congratulations on quitting. You are among the relatively lucky few.
I wish my Mom and Dad could have quit before it contributed to their
cancers.

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 6:47*am, wrote:
I quit smoking in 1972, for nineteen years.Then I lit up a Pall Mall cig
and I was back at square one.I hand roll my cigs.TOP, ZigZag, Bugler cig
tobacco.I think there are some Indians in Mississippi who sell cig
tobacco.I might see about that.
cuhulin

Larry, please quit again - for our sakes!

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 10:38*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 26, 2:03*am, Gregg wrote:





On Apr 26, 4:39*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:

Gregg wrote:
if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process.

If you have the will power (a scarce quality in low class folk)
and can get through the cold turkey detox phase
you'll have even more money to apply to some SWL gear.

--

Yeah, I smoked for eight/nine years. I was never really a heavy
smoker, the last couple of years that *I smoked - I smoked anywhere
from four to nine a day....never wanted to get into double digits -
pretty weird huh? I just quit all together. Even when I did smoke
though, after the first couple of years, I switched to buying my own
tobacco/filters and papers....there was no way I was going to spend
that much money on a lousy pack of smokes.

Congratulations on quitting. *You are among the relatively lucky few.
I wish my Mom and Dad could have quit before it contributed to their
cancers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, thanks Bruce but it wasn't really that big a deal for me. I
didn't really smoke out of habit, though that may sound like bullcrap,
but it really wasn't for me. I'd take a puff for the energy boost and
believe it or not...but to calm down at times - kind of sounds nuts in
a way. You know when you go to a new doctor or he asks you questions
to update your file? When I would say I usually smoke four cigs a day
or go three or four days without smoking I'd get the look like I was
lying or something shrug When I quit I didn't even have any
withdrawal that I know. But I DID have withdrawal (terrible headaches)
for maybe a week when I switched going from the treated tobacco to the
roll your own kind that isn't treated near like the others are. Man, I
think I'm jonesing for a cigarette now. ;-)

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 10:39*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 26, 6:47*am, wrote:

I quit smoking in 1972, for nineteen years.Then I lit up a Pall Mall cig
and I was back at square one.I hand roll my cigs.TOP, ZigZag, Bugler cig
tobacco.I think there are some Indians in Mississippi who sell cig
tobacco.I might see about that.
cuhulin

Larry, please quit again - for our sakes!

LOL yeah Cuh - I would miss trying to figure out what you're saying or
the soap opera of the gal across the big pond and doggie would be
pretty sad if you were to kick the bucket over cigs. :-(

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 9:36*am, Gregg wrote:
On Apr 26, 10:38*am, bpnjensen wrote:





On Apr 26, 2:03*am, Gregg wrote:

On Apr 26, 4:39*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:

Gregg wrote:
if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process.

If you have the will power (a scarce quality in low class folk)
and can get through the cold turkey detox phase
you'll have even more money to apply to some SWL gear.

--

Yeah, I smoked for eight/nine years. I was never really a heavy
smoker, the last couple of years that *I smoked - I smoked anywhere
from four to nine a day....never wanted to get into double digits -
pretty weird huh? I just quit all together. Even when I did smoke
though, after the first couple of years, I switched to buying my own
tobacco/filters and papers....there was no way I was going to spend
that much money on a lousy pack of smokes.

Congratulations on quitting. *You are among the relatively lucky few.
I wish my Mom and Dad could have quit before it contributed to their
cancers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, thanks Bruce but it wasn't really that big a deal for me. I
didn't really smoke out of habit, though that may sound like bullcrap,
but it really wasn't for me. I'd take a puff for the energy boost and
believe it or not...but to calm down at times - kind of sounds nuts in
a way. You know when you go to a new doctor or he asks you questions
to update your file? When I would say I usually smoke four cigs a day
or go three or four days without smoking I'd get the look like I was
lying or something shrug When I quit I didn't even have any
withdrawal that I know. But I DID have withdrawal (terrible headaches)
for maybe a week when I switched going from the treated tobacco to the
roll your own kind that isn't treated near like the others are. Man, I
think I'm jonesing for a cigarette now. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No! Stop! Don't!

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 1:16*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 26, 9:36*am, Gregg wrote:





On Apr 26, 10:38*am, bpnjensen wrote:

On Apr 26, 2:03*am, Gregg wrote:

On Apr 26, 4:39*am, Bob Dobbs wrote:

Gregg wrote:
if you can get through the first
week too two of headaches from the detoxing of the crap that
spray...you'll be home free and safe lots of cash in the process..

If you have the will power (a scarce quality in low class folk)
and can get through the cold turkey detox phase
you'll have even more money to apply to some SWL gear.

--

Yeah, I smoked for eight/nine years. I was never really a heavy
smoker, the last couple of years that *I smoked - I smoked anywhere
from four to nine a day....never wanted to get into double digits -
pretty weird huh? I just quit all together. Even when I did smoke
though, after the first couple of years, I switched to buying my own
tobacco/filters and papers....there was no way I was going to spend
that much money on a lousy pack of smokes.

Congratulations on quitting. *You are among the relatively lucky few.
I wish my Mom and Dad could have quit before it contributed to their
cancers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, thanks Bruce but it wasn't really that big a deal for me. I
didn't really smoke out of habit, though that may sound like bullcrap,
but it really wasn't for me. I'd take a puff for the energy boost and
believe it or not...but to calm down at times - kind of sounds nuts in
a way. You know when you go to a new doctor or he asks you questions
to update your file? When I would say I usually smoke four cigs a day
or go three or four days without smoking I'd get the look like I was
lying or something shrug When I quit I didn't even have any
withdrawal that I know. But I DID have withdrawal (terrible headaches)
for maybe a week when I switched going from the treated tobacco to the
roll your own kind that isn't treated near like the others are. Man, I
think I'm jonesing for a cigarette now. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No! *Stop! *Don't!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

HA!!!!! I feel you. ;-)

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

On Apr 26, 10:45*am, Gregg wrote:

Yeah, thanks Bruce but it wasn't really that big a deal for me. I
didn't really smoke out of habit, though that may sound like bullcrap,
but it really wasn't for me. I'd take a puff for the energy boost and
believe it or not...but to calm down at times - kind of sounds nuts in
a way. You know when you go to a new doctor or he asks you questions
to update your file? When I would say I usually smoke four cigs a day
or go three or four days without smoking I'd get the look like I was
lying or something shrug When I quit I didn't even have any
withdrawal that I know. But I DID have withdrawal (terrible headaches)
for maybe a week when I switched going from the treated tobacco to the
roll your own kind that isn't treated near like the others are. Man, I
think I'm jonesing for a cigarette now. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No! *Stop! *Don't!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

HA!!!!! I feel you. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

Keep yer paws to yerself! :-D

Doobie Dave, Dufus Bakka
 

5:00 PM WLBT tv news.Burt Case said in some areas the tornado was three
miles wide.EF-4 tornado.
Aerial views looks like Katrina.
cuhulin