Whose country is this?
 

On May 18, 11:01*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 5/18/10 12:13 , bpnjensen wrote:





On May 18, 8:16 am, "D. Peter *wrote:
* *On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:

We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen

* *There's a reason for that.

* *Alphonse Capone.
* *Johnny Torrio
* *Frank Nitti
* *William Daddano
* *Sam Giancana
* *Paul Ricca
* *Tony Accardo

* *George Moran
* *William McGarigle
* *Michael Cassius McDonald
* *Mossy Enright
* *Roger Touhy
* *Southside O'Donnells
* *Dion O'Banion
* *Frank McErlane

* *Jake Guzik
* *John Factor
* *Paul Jaworski
* *Joseph Saltis
* *Richard Leonard Kuklinski
* *Hymie Weiss
* *Joseph Filkowski
* *Joseph Stazek

A tiny fraction of the millions who came and ultimately contributed
positvely to the nation in a million small ways.

* *And yet, each came to polarize countless millions by contributing
negatively as individuals in the name of their ethicities.

* *The reason we used to, and many times still do, think of the
Irish, the Italians, and the Poles as thugs is not because of the
millions who aren't, but because of the some who were.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And such is the case with those who come today. Our experience with
the past, which you have pointed out, should enlighten us to look at
the doughnut and not the hole. I do not hold all of the Italians
accountable for the actions of a Capone, nor do I hold every Mexican
national accountable for the violence of a handful of drug lords. I
know too many people of Mexican descent who are smart, hard-working,
solid citizens who love their families and contribute to their larger
communities...In other words, good Americans...to ever make that
mistake. I am proud to call a number of them my friends. Same with
Asians and blacks - it's the doughnut and not the hole that counts.

Believe me - there are cultural mores from other lands with which I
have a lot of trouble. For that matter, our American culture has quite
a bit of it. Characteristics of cruelty, injustice, and various forms
of dishonor accompany most cultures on this planet, and the only thing
anybody can do is push forward to encourage the best and forego the
worst. No matter what, the pressure against our borders will not
diminish, and it is obvious that trying to inculcate foreign peoples
with our own POVs has proven to not be very successful even in this
age of instant internet. Experience has shown that there is a far
greater chance of immigrants assimilating once they get here rather
than trying to do it from afar. What would be the most helpful is if
we could establish a policy whereby we encourage those who come here
legally and learn to be Americans to find ways to bring the positive
aspects of our society back to their native lands. That's a very tall
order, but eventually, if population continues to explode as it now
does, there will be no other choice.

Meanwhile, it would be very helpful to get our own house in order.

Bruce Jensen

Whose country is this?
 

On May 18, 10:46*am, dave wrote:
wrote:
http://www.devilfinder.com
Viking battles to keep manufacturing in U.S.

Viking Stoves/Ranges/Ovens, that kind of stuff, in Greenville, backwater
hick Mississippi.

backwater hicks trying to keep Manufacturing in U.SA.and attracting more
jobs/ffactories in the Constitutional REPUBLIC of United States of
America.
cuhulin, the backwater hick.

(Ahh talkee likee ah embusul)

The end user must be willing to pay more for domestic goods. *The
globalists have stacked the deck against us.

I agree, and would add that both the manufacturer and end user must be
willing to make and accept a product that is both reliable and
reparable. The easy abundance of "throw-away" goods from overseas has
made us not only wasteful but also too willing to accept inferior junk
that cannot be renewed.

Bruce

Whose country is this?
 

On 5/18/10 13:22 , bpnjensen wrote:
On May 18, 11:01 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 5/18/10 12:13 , bpnjensen wrote:





On May 18, 8:16 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 5/18/10 09:21 , bpnjensen wrote:

We used to think the Irish, the Italians and the Poles were thugs
too...

Bruce Jensen

There's a reason for that.

Alphonse Capone.
Johnny Torrio
Frank Nitti
William Daddano
Sam Giancana
Paul Ricca
Tony Accardo

George Moran
William McGarigle
Michael Cassius McDonald
Mossy Enright
Roger Touhy
Southside O'Donnells
Dion O'Banion
Frank McErlane

Jake Guzik
John Factor
Paul Jaworski
Joseph Saltis
Richard Leonard Kuklinski
Hymie Weiss
Joseph Filkowski
Joseph Stazek

A tiny fraction of the millions who came and ultimately contributed
positvely to the nation in a million small ways.

And yet, each came to polarize countless millions by contributing
negatively as individuals in the name of their ethicities.

The reason we used to, and many times still do, think of the
Irish, the Italians, and the Poles as thugs is not because of the
millions who aren't, but because of the some who were.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And such is the case with those who come today. Our experience with
the past, which you have pointed out, should enlighten us to look at
the doughnut and not the hole. I do not hold all of the Italians
accountable for the actions of a Capone, nor do I hold every Mexican
national accountable for the violence of a handful of drug lords. I
know too many people of Mexican descent who are smart, hard-working,
solid citizens who love their families and contribute to their larger
communities...In other words, good Americans...to ever make that
mistake. I am proud to call a number of them my friends. Same with
Asians and blacks - it's the doughnut and not the hole that counts.



It is often, however, the hole that defined the donut. Which was
my point.



Believe me - there are cultural mores from other lands with which I
have a lot of trouble. For that matter, our American culture has quite
a bit of it. Characteristics of cruelty, injustice, and various forms
of dishonor accompany most cultures on this planet, and the only thing
anybody can do is push forward to encourage the best and forego the
worst. No matter what, the pressure against our borders will not
diminish, and it is obvious that trying to inculcate foreign peoples
with our own POVs has proven to not be very successful even in this
age of instant internet. Experience has shown that there is a far
greater chance of immigrants assimilating once they get here rather
than trying to do it from afar. What would be the most helpful is if
we could establish a policy whereby we encourage those who come here
legally and learn to be Americans to find ways to bring the positive
aspects of our society back to their native lands. That's a very tall
order, but eventually, if population continues to explode as it now
does, there will be no other choice.

Meanwhile, it would be very helpful to get our own house in order.

Sadly, brother, also a tall order.



Bruce Jensen

Whose country is this?
 

On 05/18/2010 09:17 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

If people are stupid and uninformed they should have no right to vote.
They do more harm than good.

Now, there's something we definitely agree on.
But it needs very careful handling. This is the same system Confucius
recommended. And what happened was the corruption of the test taking
process in favor of the kin of those giving out the test.

And given the control by corporate mass media, no way could we ever get
a majority to install some test of sanity and competence. But... what
you can do is look for those areas which already have higher standards,
then move and invest there.

Look for an area, like my neck of Ozark woods, which still has family
farms rather than agribusiness. As the Founding Farmers understood, if
you can properly manage land, you can also evaluate policy. The schools
here still work.

Get out an Atlas, and look up the hill towns north of I-40 between I-540
and US 65. They are all small towns like Alma, Bee Branch, Clinton,
Deer, Eureka Springs, Flippin, Greer's Ferry, Heber Springs, Jasper....
then go to

http://normessasweb.uark.edu/schoolp...ool/School.php
and see ZERO rates of violence. Dropout rates in the single digits.
Graduation rates over 90%. (last year Jasper had 100%, and the year
before Deer did) Attendance at 95%, and this is with all the kids
tested. They dont take the kids with ADD, ADHD, Autism or whatever out
of the testing cause... they dont have any.

The population is 99% "white". but when you look closer, you find out it
is really most people are 1/3-1/2 Cherokee. The original Pioneers were
Scots and Irish, who knew a thing or two about how Christian aristocracy
dispossessed farmers. So, when the Cherokee came thru on the "trail of
tears" many were taken in, and this hybrid, is still here in the farming
and other business.

We'll see in a few days whether these people are stupid and uninformed
or not when I go to trail, trying to have a medical marijuana test case
on Friday. I've been passing out fliers (http://daybrown.org) showing
how they've been running the drugwar like a speedtrap, using it to bust
landowners for pot they didnt know was on their land.

This is a rural area without broadband, so I'll be out there again today
passing out fliers. One side shows how the corporate mass media makes
money selling pills for transnational pharma, so they will never report
on the medicinal use of marijuana cause that would dramatically cut into
profits. We havta get that word out online or with fliers.

Whose country is this?
 

There are some Communities (not listed in Rand McNally Road Atlas) in
your State which you have never heard of before.Good Solid Communities.
Next time you go to a Wal Mart store or some other Book stores, look for
a DeLore Gazeteer which pertains to your State.I have one.
cuhulin

Whose country is this?
 

Day Brown wrote:
On 05/18/2010 09:17 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

If people are stupid and uninformed they should have no right to vote.
They do more harm than good.

Now, there's something we definitely agree on.
But it needs very careful handling. This is the same system Confucius
recommended. And what happened was the corruption of the test taking
process in favor of the kin of those giving out the test.

And given the control by corporate mass media, no way could we ever get
a majority to install some test of sanity and competence. But... what
you can do is look for those areas which already have higher standards,
then move and invest there.


Competent public schools and a "truth to power" tradition in the mass
media are essential to a healthy democracy. There are way too few
station owners. Way too few cable companies.

I don't advocate an actual test.

Whose country is this?
 

Rev.Wright says Born in Kenya! USURPER threw him under the bus.
http://www.clarionledger.com
cuhulin

Whose country is this?
 

USS Liberty Survivor 'What I Saw That Day'
http://www.rense.com
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1450715540

It is Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy past time to Cut the Joos OFF!
cuhulin

We are all liberal democrats
 

On Tue, 18 May 2010 05:29:57 -0800, dave wrote:

RHF wrote:


More Dave 'facts'

We are a Representative Democracy [.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_Democracy

alas you are simply 'dave' ~ RHF
.
You're just a garden variety old fart.

Liberal democracy is a form of representative democracy where elected
representatives that hold the decision power are moderated by a
constitution that emphasizes protecting individual liberties and the
rights of minorities in society, such as freedom of speech and assembly,
freedom of religion, the right to private property and privacy, as well
as equality before the law and due process under the rule of law, and
many more.

Such constitutional rights, also named liberal rights, are guaranteed
through various controlled institutions and various statutory laws.
Additionally the constitution of most of the contemporary liberal
democracies protects the rights of individuals and minorities, and
prohibits the will of majority (majoritarianism), by almost eliminating
that rule in practice.

Some would argue that liberal democracy isn't democratic or liberal at
all. They would argue that "liberal democracy" does not respect majority
rule, except when citizens are asked to vote for their representatives,
and also that its "liberty" is restricted by the constitution or
precedent decided by previous generations. They would argue that, by
prohibiting citizens the right to cast votes on all issues—especially
for serious subjects like going to war, constitutional amendments or
constitution abolishment etc.—this turns "liberal democracy" into the
precursor of oligarchy.

Others would say that only a liberal democracy can guarantee the
individual liberties of its citizens and prevent the development into a
dictatorship. Unmoderated majority rule could—in this view—lead to an
oppression of minorities.

The concept of an open society is closely related to liberal
democracies. Since many liberals see democracies with strong statist
reflections through the public choice theory as slow, dogmatic,
conservative and not too apt for change, the liberal democracy contrasts
with what could be called the "statist" democracy in that it emphasizes
the civil society as the engine of its public discourse and development
further.

The design of the US Constitution prevents mob rule by SLOWING heated
populism. The current US Senate and the unrepresentation of the common
people in the House, actually STOP any progressive actions as opposed to
slowing them down. The TwoParty rule that has emerged over the last 100
years results in bipolar government of the worst kind. It is reactionary
and vile.

Those who assert that the United States was to be the bastion of a new
nobility with inherited privilege are enemies of the people.

--
"Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60

Whose country is this?
 

On 05/18/2010 04:24 PM, dave wrote:
Day Brown wrote:
On 05/18/2010 09:17 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

If people are stupid and uninformed they should have no right to vote.
They do more harm than good.

Now, there's something we definitely agree on.
But it needs very careful handling. This is the same system Confucius
recommended. And what happened was the corruption of the test taking
process in favor of the kin of those giving out the test.

And given the control by corporate mass media, no way could we ever
get a majority to install some test of sanity and competence. But...
what you can do is look for those areas which already have higher
standards, then move and invest there.


Competent public schools and a "truth to power" tradition in the mass
media are essential to a healthy democracy. There are way too few
station owners. Way too few cable companies.

I don't advocate an actual test.
I dont blame you; tests have been fudged. However, there's nothing to
prevent you from finding other honorable talented people to work with
and find real solutions. Rather than telling others how to live, show
them with the way you and your associates live.

Something under the radar, that I notice reading Cosmopolitan and
Glamour magazines, is that thirty-something white career women, no
longer hot and sexy, are giving up on ever meeting Mr. Wright, and going
to fertility clinics. They wont get the perfect marriage, but with the
support of their families and friends, do get the perfect baby.

Who will no doubt not grow up stupid and uninformed. But look at it more
closely and see it is EUGENICS. Only under the control of women, not
men. This has been going on long enuf now that some of these kids are
already in grad school, having received full scholarship every step of
the way.

The first generation of Uberwench. Next question: in the name of equal
opportunity, are fertility clinic services going to be funded for poor
women of all races? If so, it'll dramatically reduce the number of the
stupid and uninformed, and thereby stabilize the democracy.

Whose country is this?
 

On May 18, 8:40*pm, Day Brown wrote:
On 05/18/2010 04:24 PM, dave wrote:



Day Brown wrote:
On 05/18/2010 09:17 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

If people are stupid and uninformed they should have no right to vote.
They do more harm than good.

Now, there's something we definitely agree on.
But it needs very careful handling. This is the same system Confucius
recommended. And what happened was the corruption of the test taking
process in favor of the kin of those giving out the test.

And given the control by corporate mass media, no way could we ever
get a majority to install some test of sanity and competence. But...
what you can do is look for those areas which already have higher
standards, then move and invest there.

Competent public schools and a "truth to power" tradition in the mass
media are essential to a healthy democracy. There are way too few
station owners. Way too few cable companies.

I don't advocate an actual test.

I dont blame you; tests have been fudged. However, there's nothing to
prevent you from finding other honorable talented people to work with
and find real solutions. Rather than telling others how to live, show
them with the way you and your associates live.

Something under the radar, that I notice reading Cosmopolitan and
Glamour magazines, is that thirty-something white career women, no
longer hot and sexy, are giving up on ever meeting Mr. Wright, and going
to fertility clinics. They wont get the perfect marriage, but with the
support of their families and friends, do get the perfect baby.

I beg your pardon - I know quite a few career women in their 30s and
40s who need not bow to anyone! And many of them even have naturally-
derived children ;-)

Whose country is this?
 

Glamor magazine? Clint Eastwood reads wimmins magazines.He was reading
Redbook in the Any Which Way You Can Movie.
Playboy magazine is going to feature a 3-D centerfold next month.I think
that Playboy magazine (with the 3-D centerfold) is at the news stands
now.
cuhulin

Whose Country is This?
 

On May 18, 6:27*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On May 16, 6:52 pm, *wrote:
- On May 16, 4:33 pm, wrote:

- - Of Course I feel that way.I do NOT Lie.

- You really condemn democracy?

BpnJ arguing {reasoning} with Cuhulin - priceless ~ RHF

What is Democracy without the full and complete
participation of the Common Man . . .

The Tyranny of the Elite (the few) over the Masses.

Equality For One : Must Be Equality For All

for all are equal and all are one ~ RHF
* .

- If people are stupid and uninformed
- they should have no right to vote.
- They do more harm than good.

Dave and... just 'who' decides
Who Is Stupid ?
-and-
Who Is Uninformed ?

Whose country is this?
 

On May 18, 8:40*pm, Day Brown wrote:
On 05/18/2010 04:24 PM, dave wrote:

Day Brown wrote:
On 05/18/2010 09:17 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

If people are stupid and uninformed they should have no right to vote.
They do more harm than good.

Now, there's something we definitely agree on.
But it needs very careful handling. This is the same system Confucius
recommended. And what happened was the corruption of the test taking
process in favor of the kin of those giving out the test.

And given the control by corporate mass media, no way could we ever
get a majority to install some test of sanity and competence. But...
what you can do is look for those areas which already have higher
standards, then move and invest there.

Competent public schools and a "truth to power" tradition in the mass
media are essential to a healthy democracy. There are way too few
station owners. Way too few cable companies.

I don't advocate an actual test.

I dont blame you; tests have been fudged. However, there's nothing to
prevent you from finding other honorable talented people to work with
and find real solutions. Rather than telling others how to live, show
them with the way you and your associates live.

Something under the radar, that I notice reading Cosmopolitan and
Glamour magazines, is that thirty-something white career women, no
longer hot and sexy, are giving up on ever meeting Mr. Wright, and going
to fertility clinics. They wont get the perfect marriage, but with the
support of their families and friends, do get the perfect baby.

Who will no doubt not grow up stupid and uninformed. But look at it more
closely and see it is EUGENICS. Only under the control of women, not
men. This has been going on long enuf now that some of these kids are
already in grad school, having received full scholarship every step of
the way.

- The first generation of Uberwench. Next question: in the name of
equal
- opportunity, are fertility clinic services going to be funded for
poor
- women of all races? If so, it'll dramatically reduce the number of
the
- stupid and uninformed, and thereby stabilize the democracy.

No, what the Eugenics types do is to fully Fund
Abortion Clinics for Poor Women of All Races.

Whose Country is This?
 

RHF wrote:
On May 18, 6:27 am, wrote:

- If people are stupid and uninformed
- they should have no right to vote.
- They do more harm than good.

Dave and... just 'who' decides
Who Is Stupid ?
-and-
Who Is Uninformed ?
.

You do and I do. We will perish together if the republic fails.

It is not now, nor has it ever been, every man for himself.

Whose country is this?
 

On May 19, 4:30*am, RHF wrote:
On May 18, 8:40*pm, Day Brown wrote:



On 05/18/2010 04:24 PM, dave wrote:

Day Brown wrote:
On 05/18/2010 09:17 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

If people are stupid and uninformed they should have no right to vote.
They do more harm than good.

Now, there's something we definitely agree on.
But it needs very careful handling. This is the same system Confucius
recommended. And what happened was the corruption of the test taking
process in favor of the kin of those giving out the test.

And given the control by corporate mass media, no way could we ever
get a majority to install some test of sanity and competence. But...
what you can do is look for those areas which already have higher
standards, then move and invest there.

Competent public schools and a "truth to power" tradition in the mass
media are essential to a healthy democracy. There are way too few
station owners. Way too few cable companies.

I don't advocate an actual test.

I dont blame you; tests have been fudged. However, there's nothing to
prevent you from finding other honorable talented people to work with
and find real solutions. Rather than telling others how to live, show
them with the way you and your associates live.

Something under the radar, that I notice reading Cosmopolitan and
Glamour magazines, is that thirty-something white career women, no
longer hot and sexy, are giving up on ever meeting Mr. Wright, and going
to fertility clinics. They wont get the perfect marriage, but with the
support of their families and friends, do get the perfect baby.

Who will no doubt not grow up stupid and uninformed. But look at it more
closely and see it is EUGENICS. Only under the control of women, not
men. This has been going on long enuf now that some of these kids are
already in grad school, having received full scholarship every step of
the way.

- The first generation of Uberwench. Next question: in the name of
equal
- opportunity, are fertility clinic services going to be funded for
poor
- women of all races? If so, it'll dramatically reduce the number of
the
- stupid and uninformed, and thereby stabilize the democracy.

No, what the Eugenics types do is to fully Fund
Abortion Clinics for Poor Women of All Races.
*.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

....and then there are some of us non-eugenics types who just want
EVERYONE to use birth control maximally. There are too damn many
people of every color and stripe and etc. on this planet.

Whose country is this?
 

Blog: Math lesson on O.... a.........
http://www.clarionledger.com

Heh, I didn't sey nuttin.
cuhulin

Whose country is this?
 

On 05/19/2010 09:18 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
...and then there are some of us non-eugenics types who just want
EVERYONE to use birth control maximally. There are too damn many
people of every color and stripe and etc. on this planet.
Noble, but not workable. So, the smart people who can follow your reason
do not breed, while the gullible stupid listening to religious fanatics
do, and their numbers are increasing at the polls.

What's needed is more fertilized eggs of the case manager class who will
grow up to deal with the problems and have fewer clients in the case loads.

I know a MSW who bore four daughters, who all grew up to be nurses
and/or social workers. But the four have had no daughters at all, and
grandma is still working at 71 cause they cant find anyone competent
enuf to replace her.

The social safety nets need far more competent people holding it all
together, and far fewer sitting in it.

"Equal opportunity" has not, in fact, increased the numbers supporting
social services cause you cannot develop talent that is not innately
there to start with. And, those few which are found to be gifted tend
far more often to be hired by the corporate culture which pays better.

The effective caseworker/healthcare provider relies on an innate talent
to read body language apart from the "IQ" or other such talents
academics and business wants and measures. You havta be born with it.

Granted that lotsa poor women have it, and have perfectly adequate
maternal instincts as well, but lack the other aspects of intelligence
to keep up with the science, drugs, nutrition, educational policy, and
so on an effective case worker needs.

One solution is to provide poor women with in vitro fertilized eggs from
women who have been remarkably effective in healthcare and case
management. Having more girls like this in class will result in far
lower rates of violence in the schools because already they pick up on
the body language clues to impending problems.