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On 9/14/2010 4:05 PM, dave wrote:

...
It's a little late for that.

Where exactly does it say"very limited government"? If the government is
the people why would they want to limit the people?

In the part which says that any powers not given (mentioned) are
reserved for the state and people ... better late than never ...

Regards,
JS

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John Smith wrote:
On 9/3/2010 8:34 PM, dave wrote:
We're supposed to interpret it the way we see fit. Meanings change over
time.

Actually, what you interpret as "vague" was meant to me, and is a loud
and dramatic statement, it means, "VERY LIMITED GOVERNMENT!"

Regards,
JS

It's a little late for that.

Where exactly does it say"very limited government"? If the government is
the people why would they want to limit the people?

SPECIAL : US Constitution Intentionally Vague About Spanking . . .{Tough Love}
 

On Sep 14, 1:30*pm, dave wrote:
f. barnes wrote:
On Sep 13, 4:18 pm, Day *wrote:

Then look at the school reports athttp://normessasweb.uark.edu/schoolperformance/School/School.php
REPEATEDLY, you see ZERO rates of violence. Drop out rates in the single
digits, graduation rates near or over 90%, 95% attendance.

And the liberals call us ignorant, uneducated, rednecks, and they
won't believe a word you've posted.

I totally believe him. Sounds like a delightful place.

- He says there's no violence *in schools,
- but also brags that parents hit their children,
- another form of violence.

'Special Dave' was it done in rage and anger . . .
or out of love and goodness ?

'Special Dave' it's called "Tough Love"
Not Done In Anger -butt- Administered to :
Educated About Right & Wrong
To Discourage Bad Acts and Encourage Good Behavior
Setting A Standard To Gauge Their Actions and Deeds
-wrt- Socially Acceptable Actions on their Part and How
They Impact Others.

America Teach Your Children Well :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az9Az6S1nus
To Be Good Americans and Family Members
Proud Patriotic Americans That Love Their Country
Hardworking Self-Supporting Americans With Jobs

God {Allah} Bless The Children - Amen & eaflap ~ RHF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhR36gV6vW4

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On 09/14/2010 03:30 PM, dave wrote:
f. barnes wrote:
On Sep 13, 4:18 pm, Day wrote:



Then look at the school reports
athttp://normessasweb.uark.edu/schoolperformance/School/School.php
REPEATEDLY, you see ZERO rates of violence. Drop out rates in the single
digits, graduation rates near or over 90%, 95% attendance.

And the liberals call us ignorant, uneducated, rednecks, and they
won't believe a word you've posted.

I totally believe him. Sounds like a delightful place.

He says there's no violence in schools, but also brags that parents hit
their children, another form of violence.
The Stoic principle is, that if the administrator is self controlled,
then the student will learn self control. Teachers, or anyone else who
was emotionally involved do not administer the spanking. That is done by
the principle in his office.

That's not violence. A parent hitting a kid because the parent is angry
is violence. But to teach the kid not to run in the street, is discipline.

Its worth noting the culture is a mix of long term farm families with
1st and 2nd generation Hippies who moved here wanting a healthy place to
raise kids. We all get along just fine.

Most of the hard corps ignorant rednecks got into meth, and moved to the
city where the welfare benefits are more generous and the liquor stores
are closer. Van Buren county pop is 12,000. The Jail only holds 58, of
which half are state and federal prisoners it is paid to keep.

Ergo, the incarceration rate of the population is 0.2%; compare that to
where you live. One time, coming back from out of state at 3AM, I passed
by the basketball court in Leslie. The ball laid on the grass at the
edge of the court in case anyone wanted to play. Consider how long it'd
take to be stolen where you live.

I dont have a house key. Even if I did lock it, out in the country,
nobody'd hear the glass of a window being broken to get in. But there
are no breakins I know about.

15 years ago, there was some stealing started. But folks realized where
the truck that had the same tire print from the crime scenes was, and
used a 30-30 to write an exit visa in the truck, with the implication
that next time, we wont wait for it to be parked. The grandsons, who'd
come to stay with grandpa, moved back to LA.

Back before agribusiness replaced family farms, it was like this all
over rural America. The land here is too steep for the large contiguous
tracts agribusiness likes.
--
When the Goddess invented sex, She was beside Herself.

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my little couch buddy doggy is extremely intelligent.How/why she puts up
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On Sep 14, 3:53*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/14/2010 4:05 PM, dave wrote:

...
It's a little late for that.

Where exactly does it say"very limited government"? If the government is
the people why would they want to limit the people?

In the part which says that any powers not given (mentioned) are
reserved for the state and people ... better late than never ...

Regards,
JS

As long as you have a Republic, people will hand over the reigns to
the representatives to do the hard work. In exchange for having
elected people to sit down and work out the hard and complex details
of difficult legislation, power will be concentrated and expanded in
places that you'd rather not see it. Such is the nature of a
republic. People who believe otherwise are fooling themselves.

The only way to avoid this and maintain something other than a
dictatorship, and it is a severely double-edged sword, is through
direct Democracy. With that, the people make ALL the rules and bypass
the middleman of the republic. But, beware - there is nothing more
disjointed and cumbersome and damned downright confusing than a set of
laws created by The People.

My guess is that both of these ideas work better on a very small scale
- like in a town or a county. Once you get to the Statewide level,
things start breaking down again, and at the national level - well,
you see what we have.

You have to choose your poison, or go live in Antarctica.

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On Sep 14, 10:32*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Sep 14, 3:53*pm, John Smith wrote:

On 9/14/2010 4:05 PM, dave wrote:

...
It's a little late for that.

Where exactly does it say"very limited government"? If the government is
the people why would they want to limit the people?

In the part which says that any powers not given (mentioned) are
reserved for the state and people ... better late than never ...

Regards,
JS

As long as you have a Republic, people will hand over the reigns to
the representatives to do the hard work. *In exchange for having
elected people to sit down and work out the hard and complex details
of difficult legislation, power will be concentrated and expanded in
places that you'd rather not see it. *Such is the nature of a
republic. *People who believe otherwise are fooling themselves.

The only way to avoid this and maintain something other than a
dictatorship, and it is a severely double-edged sword, is through
direct Democracy. *With that, the people make ALL the rules and bypass
the middleman of the republic. *But, beware - there is nothing more
disjointed and cumbersome and damned downright confusing than a set of
laws created by The People.

My guess is that both of these ideas work better on a very small scale
- like in a town or a county. *Once you get to the Statewide level,
things start breaking down again, and at the national level - well,
you see what we have.

You have to choose your poison, or go live in Antarctica.

It work very well in the ancient Greek city-states. Look what had
happened since they have joined the Common Market and EU !

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On Sep 14, 9:18*pm, wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:32*pm, bpnjensen wrote:





On Sep 14, 3:53*pm, John Smith wrote:

On 9/14/2010 4:05 PM, dave wrote:

...
It's a little late for that.

Where exactly does it say"very limited government"? If the government is
the people why would they want to limit the people?

In the part which says that any powers not given (mentioned) are
reserved for the state and people ... better late than never ...

Regards,
JS

As long as you have a Republic, people will hand over the reigns to
the representatives to do the hard work. *In exchange for having
elected people to sit down and work out the hard and complex details
of difficult legislation, power will be concentrated and expanded in
places that you'd rather not see it. *Such is the nature of a
republic. *People who believe otherwise are fooling themselves.

The only way to avoid this and maintain something other than a
dictatorship, and it is a severely double-edged sword, is through
direct Democracy. *With that, the people make ALL the rules and bypass
the middleman of the republic. *But, beware - there is nothing more
disjointed and cumbersome and damned downright confusing than a set of
laws created by The People.

My guess is that both of these ideas work better on a very small scale
- like in a town or a county. *Once you get to the Statewide level,
things start breaking down again, and at the national level - well,
you see what we have.

You have to choose your poison, or go live in Antarctica.

It work very well in the ancient Greek city-states. Look what had
happened since they have joined the Common Market and EU !

Yes - they were much smaller than 2010 USA. A lot of history
transpired between the Fall of Greece I and the Fall of Greece II !!!

Modern Greece is, I am afraid, in a position similar to California.
My theory - The European Union, of which they are now a part, holds
the keys to the treasury and the money machine, much like the US
Treasury. The larger conglomeration can print money if it needs to
pay off its debts (albeit at an inflated rate), while the individual
nation-state cannot do this (as Greece used to be able to do). Nether
Greece nor California can print its own $$$ like the larger system, so
they are in economic hot water.

Bruce Jense4n

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On Sep 15, 1:11*am, bpnjensen wrote:
On Sep 14, 9:18*pm, wrote:





On Sep 14, 10:32*pm, bpnjensen wrote:

On Sep 14, 3:53*pm, John Smith wrote:

On 9/14/2010 4:05 PM, dave wrote:

...
It's a little late for that.

Where exactly does it say"very limited government"? If the government is
the people why would they want to limit the people?

In the part which says that any powers not given (mentioned) are
reserved for the state and people ... better late than never ...

Regards,
JS

As long as you have a Republic, people will hand over the reigns to
the representatives to do the hard work. *In exchange for having
elected people to sit down and work out the hard and complex details
of difficult legislation, power will be concentrated and expanded in
places that you'd rather not see it. *Such is the nature of a
republic. *People who believe otherwise are fooling themselves.

The only way to avoid this and maintain something other than a
dictatorship, and it is a severely double-edged sword, is through
direct Democracy. *With that, the people make ALL the rules and bypass
the middleman of the republic. *But, beware - there is nothing more
disjointed and cumbersome and damned downright confusing than a set of
laws created by The People.

My guess is that both of these ideas work better on a very small scale
- like in a town or a county. *Once you get to the Statewide level,
things start breaking down again, and at the national level - well,
you see what we have.

You have to choose your poison, or go live in Antarctica.

It work very well in the ancient Greek city-states. Look what had
happened since they have joined the Common Market and EU !

Yes - they were much smaller than 2010 USA. *A lot of history
transpired between the Fall of Greece I and the Fall of Greece II !!!

Modern Greece is, I am afraid, in a position similar to California.
My theory - The European Union, of which they are now a part, holds
the keys to the treasury and the money machine, much like the US
Treasury. *The larger conglomeration can print money if it needs to
pay off its debts (albeit at an inflated rate), while the individual
nation-state cannot do this (as Greece used to be able to do). *Nether
Greece nor California can print its own $$$ like the larger system, so
they are in economic hot water.

Bruce Jense4n- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That sounds like the 'Big Brother' is not a fiction at all...

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On Sep 14, 6:47*pm, Day Brown wrote:
On 09/14/2010 03:30 PM, dave wrote:

f. barnes wrote:
On Sep 13, 4:18 pm, Day wrote:

Then look at the school reports
athttp://normessasweb.uark.edu/schoolperformance/School/School.php
REPEATEDLY, you see ZERO rates of violence. Drop out rates in the single
digits, graduation rates near or over 90%, 95% attendance.

And the liberals call us ignorant, uneducated, rednecks, and they
won't believe a word you've posted.

I totally believe him. Sounds like a delightful place.

He says there's no violence in schools, but also brags that parents hit
their children, another form of violence.

- The Stoic principle is, that if the administrator is self
controlled,
- then the student will learn self control. Teachers, or anyone else
who
- was emotionally involved do not administer the spanking. That is
done by
- the principle in his office.

-translation- You got a "D' in Gym Class . . .
Your Daddy Gona Whip Your Ass
.. . . When He Gets Home and I tell him . . .


That's not violence. A parent hitting a kid because the parent is angry
is violence. But to teach the kid not to run in the street, is discipline..



Its worth noting the culture is a mix of long term farm families with
1st and 2nd generation Hippies who moved here wanting a healthy place to
raise kids. We all get along just fine.

Most of the hard corps ignorant rednecks got into meth, and moved to the
city where the welfare benefits are more generous and the liquor stores
are closer. Van Buren county pop is 12,000. The Jail only holds 58, of
which half are state and federal prisoners it is paid to keep.

Ergo, the incarceration rate of the population is 0.2%; compare that to
where you live. One time, coming back from out of state at 3AM, I passed
by the basketball court in Leslie. The ball laid on the grass at the
edge of the court in case anyone wanted to play. Consider how long it'd
take to be stolen where you live.

I dont have a house key. Even if I did lock it, out in the country,
nobody'd hear the glass of a window being broken to get in. But there
are no breakins I know about.

15 years ago, there was some stealing started. But folks realized where
the truck that had the same tire print from the crime scenes was, and
used a 30-30 to write an exit visa in the truck, with the implication
that next time, we wont wait for it to be parked. The grandsons, who'd
come to stay with grandpa, moved back to LA.

Back before agribusiness replaced family farms, it was like this all
over rural America. The land here is too steep for the large contiguous
tracts agribusiness likes.
--
When the Goddess invented sex, She was beside Herself.