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DigitalRadioScams September 9th 10 05:30 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
Law Firm's HD Radio Probe Picking Up Steam?

Keefe Bartels, the law firm that's looking into whether consumers are
unhappy with their new HD Radio car receivers, is hearing lots of
stories. Whether legal action will result remains unclear.

We reported on the New Jersey firm's efforts last week. John Keefe, a
managing partner, tells me the firm is still in the information-
gathering stage and has not filed a lawsuit on behalf of unhappy
consumers — though what it finds could potentially lead to that from
the personal injury firm.

Keefe became interested in the technology when he bought a new BMW a
couple of years ago. He says the dealer told him HD Radio wouldn't
work but that it was built into the cost of the car, because the
receiver was part of a package. He says the dealer threw in a set of
floor mats to compensate.

Keefe told me he heard the AM signal blending between digital and
analog and back again in a demo. He called it "bumping," which sounded
like upcutting speech, as that happened.

The firm is soliciting comments from unhappy consumers regarding HD
Radio on its website. Keefe says it is receiving complaints from "all
kinds of people" and wants to determine how individuals have been
affected. He didn't say how many exactly or go into details.

Keefe, who describes himself as a consumer advocate lawyer, says he
wants to understand if potentially faulty car HD Radio receivers have
cost consumers money — from paying more for the car because of the
package and then either not being able to receive a reliable digital
signal or because there are not a lot of digital signals in their
area.

When I contacted iBiquity for my first story on this, they had no
comment.

It sounds like most of the complaints he's getting are from AM
listeners. He's also getting an earful from radio industry people, so
this should be interesting. I'll keep you up to date.

http://www.rwonline.com/article/106152

SMS- I told you the investigation would escalate! Broadcasters will
file a class-action, too! It's over for iNiquity - LMFAO!!! Time to
put that scammer Struble in prison for major criminal fraud against
the American People, and broadcasters!

DigitalRadioScams September 9th 10 05:33 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On Sep 9, 12:30*pm, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
Law Firm's HD Radio Probe Picking Up Steam?

Keefe Bartels, the law firm that's looking into whether consumers are
unhappy with their new HD Radio car receivers, is hearing lots of
stories. Whether legal action will result remains unclear.

We reported on the New Jersey firm's efforts last week. John Keefe, a
managing partner, tells me the firm is still in the information-
gathering stage and has not filed a lawsuit on behalf of unhappy
consumers — though what it finds could potentially lead to that from
the personal injury firm.

Keefe became interested in the technology when he bought a new BMW a
couple of years ago. He says the dealer told him HD Radio wouldn't
work but that it was built into the cost of the car, because the
receiver was part of a package. He says the dealer threw in a set of
floor mats to compensate.

Keefe told me he heard the AM signal blending between digital and
analog and back again in a demo. He called it "bumping," which sounded
like upcutting speech, as that happened.

The firm is soliciting comments from unhappy consumers regarding HD
Radio on its website. Keefe says it is receiving complaints from "all
kinds of people" and wants to determine how individuals have been
affected. He didn't say how many exactly or go into details.

Keefe, who describes himself as a consumer advocate lawyer, says he
wants to understand if potentially faulty car HD Radio receivers have
cost consumers money — from paying more for the car because of the
package and then either not being able to receive a reliable digital
signal or because there are not a lot of digital signals in their
area.

When I contacted iBiquity for my first story on this, they had no
comment.

It sounds like most of the complaints he's getting are from AM
listeners. He's also getting an earful from radio industry people, so
this should be interesting. I'll keep you up to date.

http://www.rwonline.com/article/106152

SMS- I told you the investigation would escalate! *Broadcasters will
file a class-action, too! It's over for iNiquity - LMFAO!!! Time to
put that scammer Struble in prison for major criminal fraud against
the American People, and broadcasters!


I wonder how many complaints came out of those automaker HD Radio
complaint forums where I dropped a link to Keefe Bartels - LMfAO!!!!!!!

John Smith September 9th 10 05:42 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam -LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/9/2010 9:30 AM, DigitalRadioScams wrote:

...


There is an easy way to handle HD Radio, just say NO!

Kinda like the war on drugs should be handled ... just make them legal,
save us taxpayers uncounted billions, stop the flow of illegal drugs
into the county and the bleeding of money out of our borders, stop the
payments of $40,000+ per inmate housed at taxpayers expense in our
prisons which support inflated prison guard unions, etc. ... and just
say NO!

Regards,
JS


DigitalRadioScams September 9th 10 06:08 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On Sep 9, 12:42*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 9:30 AM, DigitalRadioScams wrote:

* ...

There is an easy way to handle HD Radio, just say NO!

Kinda like the war on drugs should be handled ... just make them legal,
save us taxpayers uncounted billions, stop the flow of illegal drugs
into the county and the bleeding of money out of our borders, stop the
payments of $40,000+ per inmate housed at taxpayers expense in our
prisons which support inflated prison guard unions, etc. ... and just
say NO!

Regards,
JS


According to my contact over on http://keeppublicradiopublic.com/,
Keefe Bartels has spent about 25 hours on the site, and I have also
gotten a number of hits from them, too. Also, I am getting hits from
many foreign countries, including Brazil where they are considering
DRM and HD Radio. Struble can lie and hide, but now, there is no where
to run. I bet his investors start pulling out, for fear of being
dragged into court over a class-action suit. Radio World is obviously
down-playing the negative affects of FM-HD, as many FM stations are
receiving severe interference, too. I can see this escalating all the
way to the FCC. I do know that broadcasters are getting involvded,
too. Perhaps, the Courts and the DOJ will get a whiff of this
investigation, and file criminal charges against all those connected
with HD Radio for fraud. This has been a long time coming, and wil not
go away, just like HD chearleaders claimed about HD Radio. Maybe, all
of the unhappy analog listeners should jump on the clas-action aganst
iBiquity for breaking all of their analog radios, especially the AM-
sections.

John Smith September 9th 10 06:22 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam -LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/9/2010 10:08 AM, DigitalRadioScams wrote:

...
According to my contact over on http://keeppublicradiopublic.com/,
Keefe Bartels has spent about 25 hours on the site, and I have also
gotten a number of hits from them, too. Also, I am getting hits from
many foreign countries, including Brazil where they are considering
DRM and HD Radio. Struble can lie and hide, but now, there is no where
to run. I bet his investors start pulling out, for fear of being
dragged into court over a class-action suit. Radio World is obviously
down-playing the negative affects of FM-HD, as many FM stations are
receiving severe interference, too. I can see this escalating all the
way to the FCC. I do know that broadcasters are getting involvded,
too. Perhaps, the Courts and the DOJ will get a whiff of this
investigation, and file criminal charges against all those connected
with HD Radio for fraud. This has been a long time coming, and wil not
go away, just like HD chearleaders claimed about HD Radio. Maybe, all
of the unhappy analog listeners should jump on the clas-action aganst
iBiquity for breaking all of their analog radios, especially the AM-
sections.


I would like to see radio go digital. In that, compression algorithms
covert audio into bit steams, which a digital radio receives on a RF
carrier and decodes to audio fed to the speaker.

I would like to see something open source used, in the encoding
algorithms, like the Ogg Vorbis protocol, so anyone can create software
to encode/decode the streams without infringing on someones patent
rights, and so it is open source.

Cheap converters should be able to be produced which decode the audio
bit streams and produce a voice modulated signal to feed to old analog
radios ... but then, people in hell want ice water ...

I have a certain fondness for analog signals the fact very simple simple
circuits can be used to construct a radio ... but, it is time.

Regards,
JS

DigitalRadioScams September 9th 10 07:58 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!! Options
 
On Sep 9, 3:51*pm, dave wrote:
John Smith wrote:

I have a certain fondness for analog signals the fact very simple simple
circuits can be used to construct a radio ... but, it is time.


Regards,


AAC sounds like ****. *Whether it's "HD" FM, XM, or POS iTunes.


Subject restored...

John Smith September 9th 10 08:05 PM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/9/2010 12:51 PM, dave wrote:
John Smith wrote:


I have a certain fondness for analog signals the fact very simple simple
circuits can be used to construct a radio ... but, it is time.

Regards,


AAC sounds like ****. Whether it's "HD" FM, XM, or POS iTunes.


That statement reeks of stupidity ... like saying radios sound like chit
.... some implementation do, others don't ... a statement which is both
true and false is worthless.

Regards,
JS


dave September 9th 10 08:51 PM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
John Smith wrote:


I have a certain fondness for analog signals the fact very simple simple
circuits can be used to construct a radio ... but, it is time.

Regards,


AAC sounds like ****. Whether it's "HD" FM, XM, or POS iTunes.


DigitalRadioScams September 9th 10 09:09 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!! Options
 
On Sep 9, 3:05*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 12:51 PM, dave wrote:

John Smith wrote:


I have a certain fondness for analog signals the fact very simple simple
circuits can be used to construct a radio ... but, it is time.


Regards,


AAC sounds like ****. Whether it's "HD" FM, XM, or POS iTunes.


That statement reeks of stupidity ... like saying radios sound like chit
... some implementation do, others don't ... a statement which is both
true and false is worthless.

Regards,
JS


Subject restored...

RHF September 9th 10 11:25 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On Sep 9, 10:08*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
On Sep 9, 12:42*pm, John Smith wrote:

On 9/9/2010 9:30 AM, DigitalRadioScams wrote:


* ...


There is an easy way to handle HD Radio, just say NO!


Kinda like the war on drugs should be handled ... just make them legal,
save us taxpayers uncounted billions, stop the flow of illegal drugs
into the county and the bleeding of money out of our borders, stop the
payments of $40,000+ per inmate housed at taxpayers expense in our
prisons which support inflated prison guard unions, etc. ... and just
say NO!


Regards,
JS


According to my contact over onhttp://keeppublicradiopublic.com/,
Keefe Bartels has spent about 25 hours on the site, and I have also
gotten a number of hits from them, too. Also, I am getting hits from
many foreign countries, including Brazil where they are considering
DRM and HD Radio. Struble can lie and hide, but now, there is no where
to run. I bet his investors start pulling out, for fear of being
dragged into court over a class-action suit. Radio World is obviously
down-playing the negative affects of FM-HD, as many FM stations are
receiving severe interference, too. I can see this escalating all the
way to the FCC. I do know that broadcasters are getting involvded,
too. Perhaps, the Courts and the DOJ will get a whiff of this
investigation, and file criminal charges against all those connected
with HD Radio for fraud. This has been a long time coming, and wil not
go away, just like HD chearleaders claimed about HD Radio. Maybe, all
of the unhappy analog listeners should jump on the clas-action aganst
iBiquity for breaking all of their analog radios, especially the AM-
sections.


DRS - Hits ? You Been Taking Hits ? -get-help-

DRS - ? get a whiff of this ? -no-thanks-i'll-pass-

DRS - ? HD Chearleader ? -more-like-you-have-hd-dementia-
* -sp- 'cheerleaders'

LAWSUIT - Every Radio that I ever bought NEVER came
with a Guarantee of 100% Radio Reception be it :
Analog AM/MW -or- Analog FM -or- Analog Shortwave.
http://groups.google.com/group/ba.br...b5d6149534c9ae

RHF September 9th 10 11:27 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On Sep 9, 10:22*am, John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 10:08 AM, DigitalRadioScams wrote:



...
According to my contact over onhttp://keeppublicradiopublic.com/,
Keefe Bartels has spent about 25 hours on the site, and I have also
gotten a number of hits from them, too. Also, I am getting hits from
many foreign countries, including Brazil where they are considering
DRM and HD Radio. Struble can lie and hide, but now, there is no where
to run. I bet his investors start pulling out, for fear of being
dragged into court over a class-action suit. Radio World is obviously
down-playing the negative affects of FM-HD, as many FM stations are
receiving severe interference, too. I can see this escalating all the
way to the FCC. I do know that broadcasters are getting involvded,
too. Perhaps, the Courts and the DOJ will get a whiff of this
investigation, and file criminal charges against all those connected
with HD Radio for fraud. This has been a long time coming, and wil not
go away, just like HD chearleaders claimed about HD Radio. Maybe, all
of the unhappy analog listeners should jump on the clas-action aganst
iBiquity for breaking all of their analog radios, especially the AM-
sections.


I would like to see radio go digital. In that, compression algorithms
covert audio into bit steams, which a digital radio receives on a RF
carrier and decodes to audio fed to the speaker.

I would like to see something open source used, in the encoding
algorithms, like the Ogg Vorbis protocol, so anyone can create software
to encode/decode the streams without infringing on someones patent
rights, and so it is open source.

Cheap converters should be able to be produced which decode the audio
bit streams and produce a voice modulated signal to feed to old analog
radios ... but then, people in hell want ice water ...

I have a certain fondness for analog signals the fact very simple simple
circuits can be used to construct a radio ... but, it is time.

Regards,
JS


IBOC -aka- "HD-Radio" may be the only future
of FM Radio -but- not so for AM/MW Radio.

RHF September 9th 10 11:31 PM

HD-Radio Dementia . . . -&- Anti HD-Radio OCD . . .
 
On Sep 9, 11:58*am, DigitalRadioScams
wrote:
On Sep 9, 3:51*pm, dave wrote:

John Smith wrote:


I have a certain fondness for analog signals the fact very simple simple
circuits can be used to construct a radio ... but, it is time.


Regards,


AAC sounds like ****. *Whether it's "HD" FM, XM, or POS iTunes.


- Subject restored...

DRS - Your 'Sanity' Not . . .
-wrt- HD-Radio Dementia . . .
-and- Anti HD-Radio OCD . . .
-get-help-

John Smith September 10th 10 12:08 AM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/9/2010 4:11 PM, dave wrote:

...
aac at 256 kbps still sounds like crap compared to FLAC or WAV.


Well, that is because you are like that damn princess which could detect
a pea placed under her mattress! You are special, special ed ... err,
special dave ... to the rest of us, am radio at 64 kbps sounds great, 32
ain't bad and 16 will suffice ... at 128 kbps I doubt there is even any
loss at all ... only one with special ed (special dave) abilities is
made uncomfortable! ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

dave September 10th 10 12:11 AM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
John Smith wrote:


That statement reeks of stupidity ... like saying radios sound like chit
... some implementation do, others don't ... a statement which is both
true and false is worthless.

Regards,
JS


aac at 256 kbps still sounds like crap compared to FLAC or WAV.

DigitalRadioScams September 10th 10 03:08 AM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On Sep 9, 7:08*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 4:11 PM, dave wrote:

...
aac at 256 kbps still sounds like crap compared to FLAC or WAV.


Well, that is because you are like that damn princess which could detect
a pea placed under her mattress! *You are special, special ed ... err,
special dave ... to the rest of us, am radio at 64 kbps sounds great, 32
ain't bad and 16 will suffice ... at 128 kbps I doubt there is even any
loss at all ... only one with special ed (special dave) abilities is
made uncomfortable! *ROFLOL

Regards,
JS


Subject restored...

dave September 10th 10 04:33 AM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam -LMFAO!!!
 
DigitalRadioScams wrote:
On Sep 9, 7:08 pm, John wrote:
On 9/9/2010 4:11 PM, dave wrote:

...
aac at 256 kbps still sounds like crap compared to FLAC or WAV.


Well, that is because you are like that damn princess which could detect
a pea placed under her mattress! You are special, special ed ... err,
special dave ... to the rest of us, am radio at 64 kbps sounds great, 32
ain't bad and 16 will suffice ... at 128 kbps I doubt there is even any
loss at all ... only one with special ed (special dave) abilities is
made uncomfortable! ROFLOL

Regards,
JS


Subject restored...


128 sounds very ragged to me. It's fine for the car or background music
but when I put on my Grado headphones the lossy compression is not
really a pleasure to listen to.

John Smith September 10th 10 04:35 AM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam -LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/9/2010 8:33 PM, dave wrote:

...
128 sounds very ragged to me. It's fine for the car or background music
but when I put on my Grado headphones the lossy compression is not
really a pleasure to listen to.


This:
"Audio (MP3)
32 kbit/s – MW (AM) quality
96 kbit/s – FM quality - This is questionable since FM broadcast is
transmitted in analog 30hz-15khz. Similarly one cannot compare directly
an LP record to CD using kbit/s.
128–160 kbit/s – Standard Bitrate quality; difference can sometimes be
obvious (e.g. lack of low frequency quality and high frequency "swashy"
effects)[citation needed]
224–320 kbit/s – VBR to highest MP3 quality"

from he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate

At 225 kbit, it is strange it is so offensive to your ear, it is
approaching concert hall quality ... 96 kbit is ~equal to fm radio ... I
think what your are hearing is more in your mind than anywhere else.

Regards,
JS

RHF September 10th 10 06:03 AM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On Sep 9, 4:08*pm, John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 4:11 PM, dave wrote:

...
aac at 256 kbps still sounds like crap compared to FLAC or WAV.


- Well, that is because you are like that damn princess which could
detect
- a pea placed under her mattress! *You are special, special ed ...
err,
- special dave ... to the rest of us, am radio at 64 kbps sounds
great, 32
- ain't bad and 16 will suffice ... at 128 kbps I doubt there is even
any
- loss at all ... only one with special ed (special dave) abilities is
- made uncomfortable! *ROFLOL
-
- Regards,
- JS

Yeah Dave is so s p e c i a l . . .
Wez Call Him 'Super Dave'
http://www.stevemandich.com/evelincarnate/superdave.jpg

John Smith September 10th 10 06:21 AM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/9/2010 10:03 PM, RHF wrote:

...
Yeah Dave is so s p e c i a l . . .
Wez Call Him 'Super Dave'
http://www.stevemandich.com/evelincarnate/superdave.jpg
.


To me, he is special dave, most likely a close relative of special ed.
Cousins marrying and all that, yanno' ...

Regards,
JS

Kevin Alfred Strom September 10th 10 03:28 PM

Bit rates versus FM radio (was: Keefe Bartels investigation intoHD Radio picking up steam)
 
John Smith wrote:
[...]
At 225 kbit, it is strange it is so offensive to your ear, it is
approaching concert hall quality ... 96 kbit is ~equal to fm radio ... I
think what your are hearing is more in your mind than anywhere else.

[...]


Those comparisons are interesting, and there's some truth in them.

But it's a huge simplification to say that 96 kbps "is equal to FM
radio." FM radio has drawbacks and artifacts, and so does a 96 kbps
mp3 or AAC stream. Maybe they're roughly the same level of
degradation to most people's ears, but each has a very different
sort of degradation.

Some people object more to the odd added "details" and
phasing/intermodulation anomalies of compressed digital than to the
increased hiss and (pre-emphasis related) reduction in high-end
levels of FM. And some feel the opposite.

And Dave is right. A compressed-data signal that sounds quite
acceptable in the car, or on speakers in a noisy home, can sound
_much_ worse on headphones or in a pristine, silent listening
environment, where its subtle details can be heard.

At 260 or 320 kbps, I'm very happy with stereo mp3s, even on
headphones. At 128 kbps, headphones and my best speakers reveal some
occasionally annoying flaws.



With every good wish,

Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

hwh[_2_] September 10th 10 05:04 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam -LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/10/10 6:34 PM, dave wrote:
AAC+ SBR, the flavor used for digital radio, is even more
annoying due to false triggering of the pink noise pumper and the total
lack of any sense of space.


True. The fake stereo does the latter, the SBR guesses the treble at the
hint of a few bits available to steer it.

gr, hwh

dave September 10th 10 05:34 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam -LMFAO!!!
 
John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 8:33 PM, dave wrote:

...
128 sounds very ragged to me. It's fine for the car or background music
but when I put on my Grado headphones the lossy compression is not
really a pleasure to listen to.


This:
"Audio (MP3)
32 kbit/s – MW (AM) quality
96 kbit/s – FM quality - This is questionable since FM broadcast is
transmitted in analog 30hz-15khz. Similarly one cannot compare directly
an LP record to CD using kbit/s.
128–160 kbit/s – Standard Bitrate quality; difference can sometimes be
obvious (e.g. lack of low frequency quality and high frequency "swashy"
effects)[citation needed]
224–320 kbit/s – VBR to highest MP3 quality"

from he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate

At 225 kbit, it is strange it is so offensive to your ear, it is
approaching concert hall quality ... 96 kbit is ~equal to fm radio ... I
think what your are hearing is more in your mind than anywhere else.

Regards,
JS


I have done blind A/B testing. WAV or FLAC always beats AAC, at any
bitrate. AAC+ SBR, the flavor used for digital radio, is even more
annoying due to false triggering of the pink noise pumper and the total
lack of any sense of space. A typical 78 RPM analog record has more
ambience.

I do all my entertainment radiolistening via web unless I'm somewhere
without wireless broadband or listening to the AM radio. I find the
vast majority of FM radio stations unlistenable due to the extreme
dynamics processing.


dave September 10th 10 05:41 PM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 10:03 PM, RHF wrote:

...
Yeah Dave is so s p e c i a l . . .
Wez Call Him 'Super Dave'
http://www.stevemandich.com/evelincarnate/superdave.jpg
.


To me, he is special dave, most likely a close relative of special ed.
Cousins marrying and all that, yanno' ...

Regards,
JS


Actually I was in Special Ed. in 8th grade. I went to school before Ritalin.

Drewdove September 10th 10 10:05 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 

"dave" wrote in message
. ..
John Smith wrote:
On 9/9/2010 8:33 PM, dave wrote:

...
128 sounds very ragged to me. It's fine for the car or background music
but when I put on my Grado headphones the lossy compression is not
really a pleasure to listen to.


This:
"Audio (MP3)
32 kbit/s – MW (AM) quality
96 kbit/s – FM quality - This is questionable since FM broadcast is
transmitted in analog 30hz-15khz. Similarly one cannot compare directly
an LP record to CD using kbit/s.
128–160 kbit/s – Standard Bitrate quality; difference can sometimes be
obvious (e.g. lack of low frequency quality and high frequency "swashy"
effects)[citation needed]
224–320 kbit/s – VBR to highest MP3 quality"

from he
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_rate

At 225 kbit, it is strange it is so offensive to your ear, it is
approaching concert hall quality ... 96 kbit is ~equal to fm radio ... I
think what your are hearing is more in your mind than anywhere else.

Regards,
JS


I have done blind A/B testing. WAV or FLAC always beats AAC, at any
bitrate. AAC+ SBR, the flavor used for digital radio, is even more
annoying due to false triggering of the pink noise pumper and the total
lack of any sense of space. A typical 78 RPM analog record has more
ambience.

I do all my entertainment radiolistening via web unless I'm somewhere
without wireless broadband or listening to the AM radio. I find the
vast majority of FM radio stations unlistenable due to the extreme
dynamics processing.

Have you tried other lossless codecs like Monkey, mp3-HD, Mp4 ALS?

The one that seems most promising is mp3-HD as it's compatible with older
players. I've heard some weird stuff with Money, but it may be me. ALS
sounds solid, but I think you need a player that can handle it.

I think Vorbis has a lossless system as well, but I could be wrong.



tony sayer September 10th 10 11:18 PM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
I have done blind A/B testing. WAV or FLAC always beats AAC, at any
bitrate. AAC+ SBR, the flavor used for digital radio, is even more
annoying due to false triggering of the pink noise pumper and the total
lack of any sense of space. A typical 78 RPM analog record has more
ambience.

I do all my entertainment radiolistening via web unless I'm somewhere
without wireless broadband or listening to the AM radio. I find the
vast majority of FM radio stations unlistenable due to the extreme
dynamics processing.


Have a look at some of the comments on the 320K AAC experiment from the
listeners.. Remember them;?....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...xtra_high_qual
ity_audio.html
--
Tony Sayer


John Smith September 11th 10 01:14 AM

HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/10/2010 9:41 AM, dave wrote:

...
Actually I was in Special Ed. in 8th grade. I went to school before
Ritalin.


Well, actually, I was just kidding and giving you a bad time ...

Regards,
JS

hwh[_2_] September 11th 10 08:31 AM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam -LMFAO!!!
 
On 9/11/10 3:05 AM, SMS wrote:
That may be why everyone says HD Radio sound so good. Maybe it actually
only sounds good because the "analog" broadcast is really no such thing.
I've never listened to HD on a home system with a high end amplifier and
speakers, only in a vehicle where it's so much better than analog FM
that the reaction I get from the spousal unit when we're on an HD
station is "is that a CD you're playing?"


This is actually getting funny. I can't believe anyone falls for this
nonsense.

gr, hwh


RHF September 11th 10 10:57 AM

(OT) : 'Dave' Henceforth You Shall Be Know As "Special Dave"©
 
On Sep 9, 10:21*pm, John Smith wrote:
- - On 9/9/2010 10:03 PM, RHF wrote:
- - Yeah Dave is so : s p e c i a l . . .
- - Wez Call Him 'Super Dave'
- - http://www.stevemandich.com/evelincarnate/superdave.jpg
- - .

- To me, he is special dave,
- most likely a close relative of special ed.
- Cousins marrying and all that, yanno' ...
-
- Regards,
- JS

Ah "Special Dave" now that sounds better than
'Super Dave' or even 'DaviD' with Two Capital "D"s
for Dumb and Dumber ;;-}}

"Special Dave"© - I Am Inspired cause it is
Inspirational and . . . you got it :o) 'special' ;-}

'Dave' Henceforth You Shall Be Know As "Special Dave"©

recorded on this day of our 'special dave' 11 Sept 2010 ~ RHF

RHF September 11th 10 11:00 AM

Keefe Bartels investigation into HD Radio picking up steam - LMFAO!!!
 
On Sep 10, 5:33*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"Drewdove" wrote in message

...

Have you tried other lossless codecs like Monkey, mp3-HD, Mp4 ALS?


The one that seems most promising is mp3-HD as it's compatible with older
players. I've heard some weird stuff with Money, but it may be me. ALS
sounds solid, but I think you need a player that can handle it.


I think Vorbis has a lossless system as well, but I could be wrong.


You do realize that most radio stations are using compressed digital formats
for their programming, and have for some time. I believe the most prevalent
is OGG/Vorbis, though some do use WAV or high bitrate mp3. "DJ's" anymore
sit in front of a computer monitor and read off a list prepared by the PM or
equivalent. Lucky ones even get to point and click on the tracks they want
to play. *Union shops are insane: all the "DJ" does is talk, the board is
run by an engineer and all music selection is done by the PM. In some
stations, the entire broadcast day is lined out in advance, and the FCC log
is printed out at the beginning of the day.


-*I miss the old days of radio.

BAD at least you have your experiences
and the memories :o) eaflap ~ RHF

RHF September 11th 10 11:05 AM

I Miss The Old Days of Radio . . . When Radio Was Radio !
 
On Sep 10, 5:33*pm, "Brenda Ann"
wrote:
"Drewdove" wrote in message

...

Have you tried other lossless codecs like Monkey, mp3-HD, Mp4 ALS?


The one that seems most promising is mp3-HD as it's compatible with older
players. I've heard some weird stuff with Money, but it may be me. ALS
sounds solid, but I think you need a player that can handle it.


I think Vorbis has a lossless system as well, but I could be wrong.


You do realize that most radio stations are using compressed digital formats
for their programming, and have for some time. I believe the most prevalent
is OGG/Vorbis, though some do use WAV or high bitrate mp3. "DJ's" anymore
sit in front of a computer monitor and read off a list prepared by the PM or
equivalent. Lucky ones even get to point and click on the tracks they want
to play. *Union shops are insane: all the "DJ" does is talk, the board is
run by an engineer and all music selection is done by the PM. In some
stations, the entire broadcast day is lined out in advance, and the FCC log
is printed out at the beginning of the day. *I miss the old days of radio.


- I miss the old days of radio.

BAD,

At least you have your experiences and the
memories of when : radio was radio . . . :o)

as for me . . . i am just listening to
'free' over-the-air the radio ~ RHF

dave September 11th 10 11:05 PM

I Miss The Old Days of Radio . . . When Radio Was Radio !
 
Brenda Ann wrote:
"Kickin' Ass and Takin' wrote in message
...

How right you are.

Back when AM was king and AM stations had REAL PROGRAMS,
locally-produced, not sent down the line from a studio in
god-only-knows where with canned music. And back before the days of
"talk radio." I don't know when was the last time I even tuned to the
AM band.

And now, the FM bands are being invaded by wackjobs -- half the FM
stations in my area are "christian" radio and the rightwing hate jocks
are invading FM territory.


There has been "talk radio" all my life, but it was much more limited and
had a better, more balanced sort of talk. My personal favorite was Ira Blue
on KGO, second I guess was Herb Jepko on KSL. KSL only had talk at night, I
think KGO had it 24/7, or close to it, they used to bill themselves as
"People to People Radio 81."


I listen to KGO because it's live and local and if something happens the
on-duty news person will interrupt the regularly scheduled programming.





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