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Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard on the stairs. •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more. Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures, on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce their life. •CFLs contain mercury and should be returned to a hazardous waste center for disposal. Studies assume a 25% recycling rate, with the rest going into landfills. (The Westinghouse website recommends recycling only when disposing of "a large quantity" of fluorescent tubes and doesn't mention how to dispose of their CFLs.) According to a 2008 Yale study, burning coal to supply electricity to incandescent bulbs emits more mercury per bulb than a CFL contains, but regions that rely on cleaner fuels like natural gas experience greater mercury contamination with the introduction of CFLs. Why would environmentalists advocate to bring a toxic product into every home? •Cleaning up a broken CFL doesn't require a haz-mat team, but you have to take significant precautions to avoid mercury contamination of living areas. •Manufacturing CFLs is labor-intensive. No CFLs are made with expensive U.S. labor; most are made in China, where hundreds of factory workers in CFL plants have been hospitalized for mercury poisoning. The last major light bulb factory in the U.S., a GE plant in Winchester, VA, closed earlier this month. •CFLs require six times as much energy to manufacture as incandescent bulbs, not to mention -- if you're concerned about such things -- the carbon footprint of shipping them from China. •CFLs appear to cause migraines and epileptic seizures in a small number of people. Other health risks are being studied. •CFLs work poorly in cold temperatures -- as a wintertime front porch light, for example. In cold climates, the heat of incandescent bulbs is a useful -- if inefficient -- byproduct. •CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible health hazards to humans. [...] (complete story with references) http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...ight_bulb.html |
Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
"Chas. Chan" wrote in message ... Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard on the stairs. •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more. Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures, on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce their life. •CFLs contain mercury and should be returned to a hazardous waste center for disposal. Studies assume a 25% recycling rate, with the rest going into landfills. (The Westinghouse website recommends recycling only when disposing of "a large quantity" of fluorescent tubes and doesn't mention how to dispose of their CFLs.) According to a 2008 Yale study, burning coal to supply electricity to incandescent bulbs emits more mercury per bulb than a CFL contains, but regions that rely on cleaner fuels like natural gas experience greater mercury contamination with the introduction of CFLs. Why would environmentalists advocate to bring a toxic product into every home? •Cleaning up a broken CFL doesn't require a haz-mat team, but you have to take significant precautions to avoid mercury contamination of living areas. •Manufacturing CFLs is labor-intensive. No CFLs are made with expensive U.S. labor; most are made in China, where hundreds of factory workers in CFL plants have been hospitalized for mercury poisoning. The last major light bulb factory in the U.S., a GE plant in Winchester, VA, closed earlier this month. •CFLs require six times as much energy to manufacture as incandescent bulbs, not to mention -- if you're concerned about such things -- the carbon footprint of shipping them from China. •CFLs appear to cause migraines and epileptic seizures in a small number of people. Other health risks are being studied. •CFLs work poorly in cold temperatures -- as a wintertime front porch light, for example. In cold climates, the heat of incandescent bulbs is a useful -- if inefficient -- byproduct. •CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible health hazards to humans. [...] (complete story with references) http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...ight_bulb.html .. .. I've had them for years. Reliable Low operating cost. Cool. Less air-conditioning need to get rid of the heat incandescent lamps generate LEDs will be even better! Incandescent lamps, 130 year old technology......ancient history! |
Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
On 9/22/2010 8:31 PM, Sid9 wrote:
"Chas. Chan" wrote in message ... Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard on the stairs. I haven't tried the CFL outside but I had regular Fluorescent lighting in a barn and when below 32F they didn't work worth a damn. I think we're are going to transition to the more expensive LED lighting bit going from $0.30 bulbs to $6.00 bulbs would be a hard sell so the CFL is an intermediate to acclimate the consumers. |
Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that
require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. 60-watt incandescent don't put out a lit of light either. The good thing about CF is you can use more or brighter bulbs for more light and still use less electricity. •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full strength, Exactly what you want in the middle of the night. which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard on the stairs. •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more. They are getting better. Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures, on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce their life. •CFLs contain mercury and should be returned to a hazardous waste center for disposal. Studies assume a 25% recycling rate, with the rest going into landfills. (The Westinghouse website recommends recycling only when disposing of "a large quantity" of fluorescent tubes and doesn't mention how to dispose of their CFLs.) According to a 2008 Yale study, burning coal to supply electricity to incandescent bulbs emits more mercury per bulb than a CFL contains, but regions that rely on cleaner fuels like natural gas experience greater mercury contamination with the introduction of CFLs. Why would environmentalists advocate to bring a toxic product into every home? •Cleaning up a broken CFL doesn't require a haz-mat team, but you have to take significant precautions to avoid mercury contamination of living areas. •Manufacturing CFLs is labor-intensive. No CFLs are made with expensive U.S. labor; most are made in China, where hundreds of factory workers in CFL plants have been hospitalized for mercury poisoning. The last major light bulb factory in the U.S., a GE plant in Winchester, VA, closed earlier this month. •CFLs require six times as much energy to manufacture as incandescent bulbs, not to mention -- if you're concerned about such things -- the carbon footprint of shipping them from China. •CFLs appear to cause migraines and epileptic seizures in a small number of people. Other health risks are being studied. •CFLs work poorly in cold temperatures -- as a wintertime front porch light, for example. In cold climates, the heat of incandescent bulbs is a useful -- if inefficient -- byproduct. •CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible health hazards to humans. [...] (complete story with references)http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...ent_light_bulb... |
Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
Chas. Chan wrote: Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard on the stairs. •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more. Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures, on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce their life. •CFLs contain mercury and should be returned to a hazardous waste center for disposal. Studies assume a 25% recycling rate, with the rest going into landfills. (The Westinghouse website recommends recycling only when disposing of "a large quantity" of fluorescent tubes and doesn't mention how to dispose of their CFLs.) According to a 2008 Yale study, burning coal to supply electricity to incandescent bulbs emits more mercury per bulb than a CFL contains, but regions that rely on cleaner fuels like natural gas experience greater mercury contamination with the introduction of CFLs. Why would environmentalists advocate to bring a toxic product into every home? •Cleaning up a broken CFL doesn't require a haz-mat team, but you have to take significant precautions to avoid mercury contamination of living areas. •Manufacturing CFLs is labor-intensive. No CFLs are made with expensive U.S. labor; most are made in China, where hundreds of factory workers in CFL plants have been hospitalized for mercury poisoning. The last major light bulb factory in the U.S., a GE plant in Winchester, VA, closed earlier this month. •CFLs require six times as much energy to manufacture as incandescent bulbs, not to mention -- if you're concerned about such things -- the carbon footprint of shipping them from China. •CFLs appear to cause migraines and epileptic seizures in a small number of people. Other health risks are being studied. •CFLs work poorly in cold temperatures -- as a wintertime front porch light, for example. In cold climates, the heat of incandescent bulbs is a useful -- if inefficient -- byproduct. There is no doubt, if it gets 5 degrees below zero chances are they will not work anymore. Around 20 degrees it they take a long time to get going. But have had on in the kitchen that is on most nights for at least and hour for 5 or so years. have had the same one at my office for about as long at that is on for at least 8 hours a day Previous to that with regular bulbs would go through 0one of these aver 3 months. •CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible health hazards to humans. [...] (complete story with references) http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...ight_bulb.html |
Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
On Sep 22, 3:45*pm, "Chas. Chan" wrote:
Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard on the stairs. •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more. Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures, on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce their life. •CFLs contain mercury and should be returned to a hazardous waste center for disposal. Studies assume a 25% recycling rate, with the rest going into landfills. (The Westinghouse website recommends recycling only when disposing of "a large quantity" of fluorescent tubes and doesn't mention how to dispose of their CFLs.) According to a 2008 Yale study, burning coal to supply electricity to incandescent bulbs emits more mercury per bulb than a CFL contains, but regions that rely on cleaner fuels like natural gas experience greater mercury contamination with the introduction of CFLs. Why would environmentalists advocate to bring a toxic product into every home? •Cleaning up a broken CFL doesn't require a haz-mat team, but you have to take significant precautions to avoid mercury contamination of living areas. •Manufacturing CFLs is labor-intensive. No CFLs are made with expensive U.S. labor; most are made in China, where hundreds of factory workers in CFL plants have been hospitalized for mercury poisoning. The last major light bulb factory in the U.S., a GE plant in Winchester, VA, closed earlier this month. •CFLs require six times as much energy to manufacture as incandescent bulbs, not to mention -- if you're concerned about such things -- the carbon footprint of shipping them from China. •CFLs appear to cause migraines and epileptic seizures in a small number of people. Other health risks are being studied. •CFLs work poorly in cold temperatures -- as a wintertime front porch light, for example. In cold climates, the heat of incandescent bulbs is a useful -- if inefficient -- byproduct. •CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible health hazards to humans. [...] (complete story with references)http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...ent_light_bulb... wrt- Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs . . . The Best Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs a PM Lab Test -by- Popular Mechanics http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...s/news/4215199 |
Compact Fluorescent & Incandescent Light Bulbs: Proceed withCaution - Dangerous New Fangled Technology Foisted On Us By Progressives
Beam Me Up Scotty
wrote: On 9/22/2010 8:31 PM, Sid9 wrote: I think we're are going to transition to the more expensive LED lighting bit going from $0.30 bulbs to $6.00 bulbs would be a hard sell so the CFL is an intermediate to acclimate the consumers. Incandescent lamps are too futuristic for most of us, stick to whale oil or kerosene lamps. Only greenies like incandescent lamps. progressives like you. They'll never come down in price and be cheap like the old kind we've been using for the past 500 years. |
Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
On Sep 22, 6:45*pm, monkeydeskstand wrote:
Chas. Chan wrote: Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. •Warm-up time: it takes up to 5 minutes for a CFL to reach full strength, which may be related to the point above (why CFLs seem less bright). My friend has installed them in a hallway where illumination is needed only for the thirty seconds it takes to navigate the staircase. Not ideal when Grandma visits and can't see the skateboard on the stairs. •Few CFLs last for their advertised lifetimes of five years or more. Many people report replacing them after one year, making those return on investment numbers a bit less rosy. Using them in ceiling fixtures, on dimmers or timers, and for less than fifteen minutes per use reduce their life. •CFLs contain mercury and should be returned to a hazardous waste center for disposal. Studies assume a 25% recycling rate, with the rest going into landfills. (The Westinghouse website recommends recycling only when disposing of "a large quantity" of fluorescent tubes and doesn't mention how to dispose of their CFLs.) According to a 2008 Yale study, burning coal to supply electricity to incandescent bulbs emits more mercury per bulb than a CFL contains, but regions that rely on cleaner fuels like natural gas experience greater mercury contamination with the introduction of CFLs. Why would environmentalists advocate to bring a toxic product into every home? •Cleaning up a broken CFL doesn't require a haz-mat team, but you have to take significant precautions to avoid mercury contamination of living areas. •Manufacturing CFLs is labor-intensive. No CFLs are made with expensive U.S. labor; most are made in China, where hundreds of factory workers in CFL plants have been hospitalized for mercury poisoning. The last major light bulb factory in the U.S., a GE plant in Winchester, VA, closed earlier this month. •CFLs require six times as much energy to manufacture as incandescent bulbs, not to mention -- if you're concerned about such things -- the carbon footprint of shipping them from China. •CFLs appear to cause migraines and epileptic seizures in a small number of people. Other health risks are being studied. •CFLs work poorly in cold temperatures -- as a wintertime front porch light, for example. In cold climates, the heat of incandescent bulbs is a useful -- if inefficient -- byproduct. There is no doubt, if it gets 5 degrees below zero chances are they will not work anymore. Around 20 degrees it they take a long time to get going. - But have had on in the kitchen that is on most - nights for at least and hour for 5 or so years. - have had the same one at my office for about - as long at that is on for at least 8 hours a day DITTO THAT AND MORE : These Spiral {Mushroom} CFLs rated at 120 Watts Light Output {=Lumens} and use http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/289..._anion_CFL.jpg only 30 Watts of Power are Good for Reading Lights {Daylight} and Shine Well in most places http://cgi.ebay.com/370294601763 a 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb was used before. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001A0GFCG/ NOTE - In a Kitchen where they are switch On&Off many times Daily and are "On" for 8~12 Hours Daily these last about 3-Years* before they don't Light-Up anymore. Doing-The-Math : 10 Hours x 365 Days x 3 Years = 10,950 Service Hours * How Do I Know ? : I write the MM/YY on the base of the CFL Bulb when it is installed to check it's Service Life at Replacement. (o: smart :o) ~ RHF - Previous to that with regular bulbs would go - through 0one of these aver 3 months. Same here. Buy a Pack of Four Incandescent Bubs for One Light Socket and they would be gone in a Year. •CFLs degrade the quality of the electric current (so-called "dirty electricity" with uneven sine waves) on a circuit into which they are plugged, causing problems for other electronic devices and possible health hazards to humans. [...] (complete story with references) http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/...ent_light_bulb... |
Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution (Rightard idiocy)
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Compact Fluorescent Light Bulbs: Proceed with Caution
"Chas. Chan" wrote in message ... Average citizens cannot be trusted with economic decisions that require balancing immediate costs and long-term benefits, according to environmentalists. [...] •CFL manufacturers claim that a 13-watt CFL emits the same amount of light as a 60-watt incandescent, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. I've been in CFL-lit hotel rooms where I need a flashlight to read my dog-eared copy of The Road to Serfdom. You whiny-ass titty-baby tool. Grow some fur. Jim |
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