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IBOC : Oops New Book May Indirectly Predict Success of HD-Radio
On 9/29/10 01:28 , SMS wrote:
On 9/28/2010 9:49 PM, RHF wrote: Conclusion : Why DAB Eureka 147 failed in the UK : Maybe the reason IBOC "HD" AM& FM Radio will succeed in the USA. Two things led to the IBOC solution in the U.S.: 1) There was no spectrum available for a digital-only service. 2) Broadcasters wanted an IBOC solution because it did not require the purchase of additional spectrum or licenses. Now there's talk of a new digital-only band in the space where analog TV channels 5 and 6 used to be. This would be especially well suited to low power FM stations. It would likely use iBiquity technology as well because the silicon used for HD Radio could be easily modified for the new band. With the low power stations moved off of FM there would be less of an issue with increased power on HD FM causing interference to those stations. The big issue with HD right now is that the power levels are too low to provide equivalent coverage to FM. The addition/adoption of HD has striking parallels to the addition/adoption of FM radio in the 20th century. It took FM 40 years to become as ubiquitous as AM. Those that complain that HD is taking too long to become ubiquitous have no understanding of the radio business and how hard it is to replace the installed base of receivers. In any case, it all is coming together for HD in the U.S. with huge increases in receiver sales, more vehicle manufacturers including HD, and the HD consortium deciding to assist smaller stations with the conversion to HD by helping with funding and engineering expertise that the smaller stations lack. Two areas where your analogy breaks down. One is that FM worked. Hybrid Digital...not so much. FM presented a listenable improvement in audio performance that even the tone deaf could recognize. Many users of Hybrid Digital do not agree that the audio performance measures up to the claims made for it. The other is that the market has changed from the days of early FM, when the listening opportunities were limited. AM, or recordings that were noisy, of questionable reproductive quality, and irregular availability. Further, receivers were bulky, heavy and not portably operated with any convenience. Batteries were expensive. Today, the reproduction of recordings is remarkably consistent, and of very high comparative quality. They are also globally available for a fraction of the cost of recordings in the days of early FM. And a person can put his/her entire recording library in a shirt pocket, on a device with a battery life of many hours, rechargable at one's own convenience. Often from a variety of sources. There are also myriad options for listening of programmed content. AM, of course, and FM, as well as internet radio, streamed audio on cell phones, satellite radio, and self programmed 'radio channels' accessible, often at a whim. None of these offers the dropouts, and the Hybrid Digital to Analog to Hybrid Digital switching offered by IBOC. So, while the lamp isn't out for HD radio, at least not yet, the comparison with the early days of FM does not really possess the parallels as claimed. Going back to the beginning days of this discussion: for IBOC to take off, there will have to be a mandate by FCC that analog broadcasting is to end. |
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IBOC : Oops New Book May Indirectly Predict Success of HD-Radio
On 9/29/2010 6:21 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 9/29/10 01:28 , SMS wrote: On 9/28/2010 9:49 PM, RHF wrote: Conclusion : Why DAB Eureka 147 failed in the UK : Maybe the reason IBOC "HD" AM& FM Radio will succeed in the USA. Two things led to the IBOC solution in the U.S.: 1) There was no spectrum available for a digital-only service. 2) Broadcasters wanted an IBOC solution because it did not require the purchase of additional spectrum or licenses. Now there's talk of a new digital-only band in the space where analog TV channels 5 and 6 used to be. This would be especially well suited to low power FM stations. It would likely use iBiquity technology as well because the silicon used for HD Radio could be easily modified for the new band. With the low power stations moved off of FM there would be less of an issue with increased power on HD FM causing interference to those stations. The big issue with HD right now is that the power levels are too low to provide equivalent coverage to FM. The addition/adoption of HD has striking parallels to the addition/adoption of FM radio in the 20th century. It took FM 40 years to become as ubiquitous as AM. Those that complain that HD is taking too long to become ubiquitous have no understanding of the radio business and how hard it is to replace the installed base of receivers. In any case, it all is coming together for HD in the U.S. with huge increases in receiver sales, more vehicle manufacturers including HD, and the HD consortium deciding to assist smaller stations with the conversion to HD by helping with funding and engineering expertise that the smaller stations lack. Two areas where your analogy breaks down. One is that FM worked. Hybrid Digital...not so much. FM presented a listenable improvement in audio performance that even the tone deaf could recognize. Many users of Hybrid Digital do not agree that the audio performance measures up to the claims made for it. No, not true. Many people that have never listened to HD claim poor audio performance, but they have no experience with HD. Many have a vested interest in the failure of digital radio. Every independent review of HD FM has noted the superior audio quality and the lack of interference. Going back to the beginning days of this discussion: for IBOC to take off, there will have to be a mandate by FCC that analog broadcasting is to end. Not really necessary. Sufficient numbers of stations in the urban markets have voluntarily added HD. What would be helpful is the elimination of royalties on the receiver side combined with a mandate that all receivers after a certain date be able to receive HD. Financial incentives for stations to increase their HD power levels to the maximum allowable levels would also help. But he HD consortium deciding to assist smaller stations with the conversion to HD by helping with funding and engineering expertise that the smaller stations lack, is going to help as well. |
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IBOC : Oops New Book May Indirectly Predict Success of HD-Radio
On 9/29/10 09:12 , SMS wrote:
On 9/29/2010 6:21 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote: On 9/29/10 01:28 , SMS wrote: On 9/28/2010 9:49 PM, RHF wrote: Conclusion : Why DAB Eureka 147 failed in the UK : Maybe the reason IBOC "HD" AM& FM Radio will succeed in the USA. Two things led to the IBOC solution in the U.S.: 1) There was no spectrum available for a digital-only service. 2) Broadcasters wanted an IBOC solution because it did not require the purchase of additional spectrum or licenses. Now there's talk of a new digital-only band in the space where analog TV channels 5 and 6 used to be. This would be especially well suited to low power FM stations. It would likely use iBiquity technology as well because the silicon used for HD Radio could be easily modified for the new band. With the low power stations moved off of FM there would be less of an issue with increased power on HD FM causing interference to those stations. The big issue with HD right now is that the power levels are too low to provide equivalent coverage to FM. The addition/adoption of HD has striking parallels to the addition/adoption of FM radio in the 20th century. It took FM 40 years to become as ubiquitous as AM. Those that complain that HD is taking too long to become ubiquitous have no understanding of the radio business and how hard it is to replace the installed base of receivers. In any case, it all is coming together for HD in the U.S. with huge increases in receiver sales, more vehicle manufacturers including HD, and the HD consortium deciding to assist smaller stations with the conversion to HD by helping with funding and engineering expertise that the smaller stations lack. Two areas where your analogy breaks down. One is that FM worked. Hybrid Digital...not so much. FM presented a listenable improvement in audio performance that even the tone deaf could recognize. Many users of Hybrid Digital do not agree that the audio performance measures up to the claims made for it. No, not true. Many people that have never listened to HD claim poor audio performance, but they have no experience with HD. Many have a vested interest in the failure of digital radio. Every independent review of HD FM has noted the superior audio quality and the lack of interference. While it's true, there are those who have a vested interest in teh failure of IBOC, I"m not referrring to those. I refer specifically to those who have heard Hybrid Digital, and have attempted to use Hybrid Digital Radio, and have found that it's audio performance fails to meet what's been claimed for it. I'm one of them. And I've participated in conducting listening tests. I've also read page after page of complaints of users not impressed by HD's performance. I've been in stores when Hybrid Digital receivers have been returned for non performance. So...Yes, true. Many users of Hybrid Digital do not agree that the performance measures up to what's been claimed for it. Going back to the beginning days of this discussion: for IBOC to take off, there will have to be a mandate by FCC that analog broadcasting is to end. Not really necessary. Sufficient numbers of stations in the urban markets have voluntarily added HD. What would be helpful is the elimination of royalties on the receiver side combined with a mandate that all receivers after a certain date be able to receive HD. Financial incentives for stations to increase their HD power levels to the maximum allowable levels would also help. But he HD consortium deciding to assist smaller stations with the conversion to HD by helping with funding and engineering expertise that the smaller stations lack, is going to help as well. What broadcasters choose to do is one thing. What listeners choose to purchase is another. Listeners have not embraced HD. Streams are being discontinued in markets across the country. But you have conveniently not addressed the issue of marketplace. There are dramatically more sources for listening to content than there were in the early days of FM. The audio quality of recordings can now exceed the audio performance of broadcast en masse. And users can now put their entire library of recordings in their pockets. All of which paints a much different picture than that faced by FM in it's own infancy. Hybrid Digital Radio may, indeed, become a success. But, dramatically more likely, is that, like DAT, it's a solution for which the problem has been more effectively, and more efficiently addressed by newer, and more readily accessible technologies. In any event, for users to make that conversion, en masse, and make Hybrid Digital Radio a going concern, there will have to be a mandate that the current scheme of broadcasting will end. Which may happen. There is powerful money behind Hybrid Digital. And considerable political will. But it will take a political solution to make the investment pay returns before The Money goes in a different direction. |
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IBOC : Oops New Book May Indirectly Predict Success of HD-Radio
On Sep 29, 6:21*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 9/29/10 01:28 , SMS wrote: On 9/28/2010 9:49 PM, RHF wrote: Conclusion : Why DAB Eureka 147 failed in the UK : Maybe the reason IBOC "HD" AM& FM Radio will succeed in the USA. Two things led to the IBOC solution in the U.S.: 1) There was no spectrum available for a digital-only service. 2) Broadcasters wanted an IBOC solution because it did not require the purchase of additional spectrum or licenses. Now there's talk of a new digital-only band in the space where analog TV channels 5 and 6 used to be. This would be especially well suited to low power FM stations. It would likely use iBiquity technology as well because the silicon used for HD Radio could be easily modified for the new band. With the low power stations moved off of FM there would be less of an issue with increased power on HD FM causing interference to those stations. The big issue with HD right now is that the power levels are too low to provide equivalent coverage to FM. The addition/adoption of HD has striking parallels to the addition/adoption of FM radio in the 20th century. It took FM 40 years to become as ubiquitous as AM. Those that complain that HD is taking too long to become ubiquitous have no understanding of the radio business and how hard it is to replace the installed base of receivers. In any case, it all is coming together for HD in the U.S. with huge increases in receiver sales, more vehicle manufacturers including HD, and the HD consortium deciding to assist smaller stations with the conversion to HD by helping with funding and engineering expertise that the smaller stations lack. * *Two areas where your analogy breaks down. * *One is that FM worked. *Hybrid Digital...not so much. FM presented a listenable improvement in audio performance that even the tone deaf could recognize. Many users of Hybrid Digital do not agree that the audio performance measures up to the claims made for it. * *The other is that the market has changed from the days of early FM, when the listening opportunities were limited. AM, or recordings that were noisy, of questionable reproductive quality, and irregular availability. Further, receivers were bulky, heavy and not portably operated with any convenience. Batteries were expensive. * *Today, the reproduction of recordings is remarkably consistent, and of very high comparative quality. They are also globally available for a fraction of the cost of recordings in the days of early FM. And a person can put his/her entire recording library in a shirt pocket, on a device with a battery life of many hours, rechargable at one's own convenience. Often from a variety of sources. There are also myriad options for listening of programmed content. AM, of course, and FM, as well as internet radio, streamed audio on cell phones, satellite radio, and self programmed 'radio channels' accessible, often at a whim. * *None of these offers the dropouts, and the Hybrid Digital to Analog to Hybrid Digital switching offered by IBOC. * *So, while the lamp isn't out for HD radio, at least not yet, the comparison with the early days of FM does not really possess the parallels as claimed. -*Going back to the beginning days of this discussion: - for IBOC to take off, there will have to be a mandate - by FCC that analog broadcasting is to end. and . . . when does that other shoe drop . . . in what year 2015... 2020 . . . |
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