It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

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On 11-03-05 06:55 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:

Regardless of income.

Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the
private schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the
support, anyway.

The possible converse, and rather likely outcome of that will be the
taxpayer having to bid on the auction of available tuitions. The death
of publicly funded education would be another step closer. I can see the
public education system resembling the rust belt at worst and privatized
jails at best.

I'm now wondering how many of the mob at a book burning have a secondary
education. How many Baptists at a snake charming ceremony have a high
school diploma? How many of the pervert Mormon's thirty wives have
completed grade nine? How many ex-navy guys in Holland MI. finished
grade four?

I passed! The problem is you dumbass Canucks who never finished grade three
:-)



Grade three in our universities.
I keep forgetting y'all don't have no universities in the hills thar
and yur hay tech stuff is all imported Canuckis. But they is jus' watchin'


mike


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It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

D Peter Maus wrote:

On 3/4/11 19:28 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 3/4/2011 2:01 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


There's nothing that
says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
Wisconsin are behind the Governor.

Well, that theory of yours would not explain why the NBC / Wall Street
Journal poll showed that 77% of the people think public unions SHOULD be
allowed to have collective bargaining.

Interesting what you eliminate, when you quote these surveys. 77% of
the peeople believe public sector unions should have collective
bargaining privileges (it's a privilege, not a right), but that same
survey revealed that 60%+ believe that there should not be public sector
unions in the first place, and that 3:1 they believe that the budget
must be balanced and that public sector union benefits are to blame for
a lion's share of the shortfall.

So, again, the people are behind the Governor.


At least right now. And the Dems In
Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall elections
to remove the Dems from office.

To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor from
office.

Interesting also what the skew is on that. But keep swinging, Joe.

I think Joe is striking out!

It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

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It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

On 3/5/2011 7:58 AM, dxAce wrote:

Damn, you Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists sure are stupid.

You are clearly mentally ill.

Good old Lare...steady as a rock. You can always, Always, ALWAYS count
on him to tap-dance around the issues and resort to his old standby of
name calling.

C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.

I know it will be tough for you to refrain from name calling and
tap-dancing around the issue (old habits die hard), but maybe you can do
it!

It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 3/5/2011 7:58 AM, dxAce wrote:

Damn, you Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists sure are stupid.

You are clearly mentally ill.

Good old Lare...steady as a rock. You can always, Always, ALWAYS count
on him to tap-dance around the issues and resort to his old standby of
name calling.

C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.

I know it will be tough for you to refrain from name calling and
tap-dancing around the issue (old habits die hard), but maybe you can do
it!

You're confused. But then, being a mentally ill
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist, you know all about confusion.

Get back to me when you get the facts straight.

It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

On 3/5/2011 8:55 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 3/4/11 19:28 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 3/4/2011 2:01 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


There's nothing that
says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
Wisconsin are behind the Governor.

Well, that theory of yours would not explain why the NBC / Wall Street
Journal poll showed that 77% of the people think public unions SHOULD be
allowed to have collective bargaining.

Interesting what you eliminate, when you quote these surveys. 77% of the
peeople believe public sector unions should have collective bargaining
privileges (it's a privilege, not a right), but that same survey
revealed that 60%+ believe that there should not be public sector unions
in the first place, and that 3:1 they believe that the budget must be
balanced and that public sector union benefits are to blame for a lion's
share of the shortfall.

Yes, blame the middle class, not Big Business or Wall Street. C'mon
now...the average salary of all state workers is ~$47,600. That hardly
seems like the "lion's share of the shortfall". (and yes, they may have
a decent pension, but they are trading off a lower salary now for a
better pension in the future). Keep on demonizing those evil public
employees or as Christie, the NJ guv calls all those nurses and garbage
truck drivers, the "elite".

So, again, the people are behind the Governor.

Sort of a vague statement. Many may be behind him, but many aren't.

At least right now. And the Dems In
Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall elections
to remove the Dems from office.

To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor from
office.

Interesting also what the skew is on that. But keep swinging, Joe.

Huh? I truly miss your point on "skew" and "keep swinging(?)". The
people that are not behind Walker are boiling mad. Thus a Repub recall
is certainly a legitimate concern and well within the realm of
possibility. So, your point is?

Which, actually, may be unnecessary. If they remain out of the state
long enough, they'll run afoul of existing laws and will lose their
offices, anyway. And that deadline is closing fast. They claim they're
working, while away, and are protected from the desertion clauses, but
that may be sophistry. If they claim they're working, but are not
available (in mass, yet), to vote on pending legislation, then the law
says they're not working. And the people are in agreement.

But here's the part that's really sticking in the public craw...The
Democrats are remaining out of state to avoid facing a vote they will
most certainly lose.

They may well lose, but they are trying to stick up for the middle
class.

No, they're not. They're trying to stick up for political contributors.

Well, that's a dodge on your part. Not like Walker isn't sticking up for
the Koch brothers?

As you seem to be on the side of Governor Walker, let me present you
with some facts and ask you a question…

*Apparently, you see no problem with teachers, nurses, librarians,
policemen and firemen losing their rights.


No one is losing any rights. Only a privilege that even George Meaney of
the AFL-CIO said they had no business getting in the first place. and he
said that decades ago.

I can't verify that -- and I find it hard to believe a union leader
would say workers of any stripe should not have collective bargaining.
However, in Wisconsin the workers -have- had that "privilege" for
decades...and they may be losing that. And you are splitting hairs and
playing a little semantics here, with the "rights" vs "privilege".
Bottom line, if this goes through, they will indeed be in a "My way or
the highway" situation, a position most of us would not prefer to be in.

*What about Walker trying to *ram rod* through in record time this bill
that also has a NO-BID clause for the state’s power plants. This should
be patently illegal for either party. “No-bid” is just an invitation for
corruption.

*Even though the “David Koch” was a fake, the point is that Walker
–believed- he was real. Legitimate people with legitimate government
business cannot get through to the governor on the first call and get 20
minutes of his uninterrupted time like "Koch" did.

Really?

I did.

You did what? Got to talk to the Governor of Wisconsin? For 20 minutes?
On the first call? And you're not even a full-time resident of
Wisconsin? I'm not disputing you, but that -does- stretch credulity.

This would seem to
indicate that Walker thinks the Koch brothers are his true bosses.

Sophistry. I heard the playback of the call. He sounded like he was
massaging a contributor.

Too bad he couldn't devote the same effort to actually sit down with the
unions and discuss the issue -- rather than reject out of hand the
unions offer of economic concessions and spend time kissing the ass of
his Koch brothers masters.

No different than NPR taking calls from
patrons, making promises on programming they have no intention of
keeping, and then ignoring that programming once the checks clear.

This is really another entirely different debate. I don't know NPR
policies as well as you seem to think you do. You are laying some pretty
serious charges. Finally, what you say makes no sense -- as it would
seem that NPR could could only pull that stunt once, before the word of
it spread like wildfire. Again, I'm not disputing you, but you -are-
stretching credulity.

*In this same bill, Walker is removing the salary income price cap on
vouchers for private schools. This would allow children of the wealthy
to attend private schools at tax payer's expense.

No, it would allow citizens to send their children to private school
without having to pay for the public schools at the same time. No one
should have to pay the costs of a system that they're currently paying
exorbitant rates not to use.

Regardless of income.

Let the public schools compete for their tuition, just like the private
schools. If they're not doing the job, they don't deserve the support,
anyway.

Hmmm, why was there a salary cap in the first place, if not to keep the
rich from abusing the system. And just exactly how do you propose that
the middle class and the poor "compete" to get into those private schools?

Let me close with a few more examples of Walker's sleaze...

1) If, as you said in your opening statement above that "public sector
union benefits are to blame for a lion's share of the shortfall", why
would the police and fire unions get a free pass and be exempt? I know,
just purely a coincidence that the police/fire unions got a free pass
because they originally supported Walker. Coincidence?...yeah, right.
Sleaze.

2) Don't forget the Milwaukee scandal. When Walker was a Milwaukee
County executive, he fired all the union county security guards and
replaced them with private guards from Wackenhut, a BRITISH company (so
much for the Repubs being concerned about "jobs, jobs, jobs"). Later,
the courts ruled that he illegally fired the original guards, who the
county had to hire back, WITH back pay. Walker's union busting folly
cost the county $500,000. Hmmm, maybe Walker is a part of the budget
shortfall. Sleaze.

3) The Federal government was going to pay for a high speed rail between
Milwaukee and Madison. Walker turned it down cold. Please understand
that this project was NOT like Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere"; Milwaukee
is Wisconsin's biggest city and Madison is the state capitol and has a
very large university. The route would have gotten plenty of traffic and
created many, many jobs. But for some kind of hare-brained tea-bagger
reason, Walker killed the whole thing. And how ironic -- the Republicans
said their main goal was "Jobs, jobs, jobs". Yet more sleaze and more
broken promises about jobs.

Bottom line: You appear to be a rabid Republican (with tea-bagger
leanings) supporter of Walker, apparently no matter what he does, no
matter how unethical he is. I believe Walker is a sleaze bag that is
selling the people of Wisconsin down the river on many fronts. Neither
of us is going to convince either of us otherwise. Please feel free to
have the last word.

It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 3/5/2011 8:55 AM, D Peter Maus wrote:
On 3/4/11 19:28 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 3/4/2011 2:01 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


There's nothing that
says those fortunes can't change, but the truth is, that the people of
Wisconsin are behind the Governor.

Well, that theory of yours would not explain why the NBC / Wall Street
Journal poll showed that 77% of the people think public unions SHOULD be
allowed to have collective bargaining.

Interesting what you eliminate, when you quote these surveys. 77% of the
peeople believe public sector unions should have collective bargaining
privileges (it's a privilege, not a right), but that same survey
revealed that 60%+ believe that there should not be public sector unions
in the first place, and that 3:1 they believe that the budget must be
balanced and that public sector union benefits are to blame for a lion's
share of the shortfall.

Yes, blame the middle class, not Big Business or Wall Street. C'mon
now...the average salary of all state workers is ~$47,600. That hardly
seems like the "lion's share of the shortfall". (and yes, they may have
a decent pension, but they are trading off a lower salary now for a
better pension in the future). Keep on demonizing those evil public
employees or as Christie, the NJ guv calls all those nurses and garbage
truck drivers, the "elite".

So, again, the people are behind the Governor.

Sort of a vague statement. Many may be behind him, but many aren't.

At least right now. And the Dems In
Exile are fast falling from grace with now talks about recall elections
to remove the Dems from office.

To say nothing of all the talk to recall the Republican governor from
office.

Interesting also what the skew is on that. But keep swinging, Joe.

Huh? I truly miss your point on "skew" and "keep swinging(?)". The
people that are not behind Walker are boiling mad. Thus a Repub recall
is certainly a legitimate concern and well within the realm of
possibility. So, your point is?

Which, actually, may be unnecessary. If they remain out of the state
long enough, they'll run afoul of existing laws and will lose their
offices, anyway. And that deadline is closing fast. They claim they're
working, while away, and are protected from the desertion clauses, but
that may be sophistry. If they claim they're working, but are not
available (in mass, yet), to vote on pending legislation, then the law
says they're not working. And the people are in agreement.

But here's the part that's really sticking in the public craw...The
Democrats are remaining out of state to avoid facing a vote they will
most certainly lose.

They may well lose, but they are trying to stick up for the middle
class.

No, they're not. They're trying to stick up for political contributors.

Well, that's a dodge on your part. Not like Walker isn't sticking up for
the Koch brothers?

As you seem to be on the side of Governor Walker, let me present you
with some facts and ask you a question…

*Apparently, you see no problem with teachers, nurses, librarians,
policemen and firemen losing their rights.


No one is losing any rights. Only a privilege that even George Meaney of
the AFL-CIO said they had no business getting in the first place. and he
said that decades ago.

I can't verify that -- and I find it hard to believe a union leader
would say workers of any stripe should not have collective bargaining.
However, in Wisconsin the workers -have- had that "privilege" for
decades...and they may be losing that. And you are splitting hairs and
playing a little semantics here, with the "rights" vs "privilege".
Bottom line, if this goes through, they will indeed be in a "My way or
the highway" situation, a position most of us would not prefer to be in.

*What about Walker trying to *ram rod* through in record time this bill
that also has a NO-BID clause for the state’s power plants. This should
be patently illegal for either party. “No-bid” is just an invitation for
corruption.

*Even though the “David Koch” was a fake, the point is that Walker
–believed- he was real. Legitimate people with legitimate government
business cannot get through to the governor on the first call and get 20
minutes of his uninterrupted time like "Koch" did.

Really?

I did.

You did what? Got to talk to the Governor of Wisconsin? For 20 minutes?
On the first call? And you're not even a full-time resident of
Wisconsin? I'm not disputing you, but that -does- stretch credulity.

This would seem to
indicate that Walker thinks the Koch brothers are his true bosses.

Sophistry. I heard the playback of the call. He sounded like he was
massaging a contributor.

Too bad he couldn't devote the same effort to actually sit down with the
unions and discuss the issue -- rather than reject out of hand the
unions offer of economic concessions and spend time kissing the ass of
his Koch brothers masters.

No different than NPR taking calls from
patrons, making promises on programming they have no intention of
keeping, and then ignoring that programming once the checks clear.

This is really another entirely different debate. I don't know NPR
policies as well as you seem to think you do. You are laying some pretty
serious charges. Finally, what you say makes no sense -- as it would
seem that NPR could could only pull that stunt once, before the word of
it spread like wildfire. Again, I'm not disputing you, but you -are-
stretching credulity.

You clown 'tard Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists stretch credulity on a
daily basis.

It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 3/5/2011 7:58 AM, dxAce wrote:

Damn, you Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists sure are stupid.

You are clearly mentally ill.

Good old Lare...steady as a rock. You can always, Always, ALWAYS count
on him to tap-dance around the issues and resort to his old standby of
name calling.

C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.

I know it will be tough for you to refrain from name calling and
tap-dancing around the issue (old habits die hard), but maybe you can do
it!

On 3/5/2011 2:47 PM, dxAce wrote:

You're confused. But then, being a mentally ill
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist, you know all about confusion.

Get back to me when you get the facts straight.

Yet ANOTHER dodge and tap dance. Keep it up and people will start to
think you don't have the brains or the balls to give a straightforward
answer. Oh, sorry...most of them think that already.

It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 3/5/2011 7:58 AM, dxAce wrote:

Damn, you Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialists sure are stupid.

You are clearly mentally ill.

Good old Lare...steady as a rock. You can always, Always, ALWAYS count
on him to tap-dance around the issues and resort to his old standby of
name calling.

C'mon Lare, tell us your thoughts on your new Republican governor TAKING
money out of YOUR pocket and GIVING it as a gift to Big Business...and
then having the bare faced gall to call it *shared* sacrifice.

I know it will be tough for you to refrain from name calling and
tap-dancing around the issue (old habits die hard), but maybe you can do
it!

On 3/5/2011 2:47 PM, dxAce wrote:

You're confused. But then, being a mentally ill
Liberal/Democrat/Marxist/Socialist, you know all about confusion.

Get back to me when you get the facts straight.

Yet ANOTHER dodge and tap dance. Keep it up and people will start to
think you don't have the brains or the balls to give a straightforward
answer. Oh, sorry...most of them think that already.

Ah, another post from a clown 'tard who can't get his facts straight.

It's 'The Curse' of "The SUV" !
 

We got To the Shores of Tripoli starting right now, TCM channel.
We will probally be going to those Shores again pretty soon.
cuhulin