On 3/10/11 11:46 , SMSbuster wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:48 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 3/10/11 09:28 , SMS wrote:

On 3/10/2011 7:20 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, your denials to the contrary, it is.

Your first hint that it had no validity should have been "an
anonymous source..."

"An anonymous source..." is the beginning about half of all news
stories.

"Deep Throat," who brought down the Nixon administration, was an
'anonymous source.'

There's not a police department in the world that doesn't have an
'anonymous source' program for gathering active crime information
within their jurisdictions, including the FBI.

Anonymity doesn't preclude validity. It only means that the
source doesn't want to face censure, persecution or litigation as a
result of speaking out.

And if you ask engineers working with iBiquity products, off the
record, you'll get a LOT of information about iBiquity's threats
against those who speak out against their IBOC system.

You know, Brother, quality products neither need, nor benefit
from, enforced silence. And if what iBiquity was claiming for their
system were true, they would not have written gag clauses into their
contracts threatening dissenting engineers with litigation for
speaking out about interference, audio quality or coverage.

The very fact that these clauses were written into the contracts
underscores that fact that iBiquity knew that what they were
claiming was untrue. And that they knew it from the outset.

Struble sits atop a phenomenally lucrative scam. And the public
bears the burden of his hubris with inferiour performance, poorer
audio quality, and spotty coverage with frequent dropouts.

Which makes suspect your motives for so shamelessly shilling for
this fraud.

Peter,

You certainly have figured out this fraud. I too have read stories on
the Web about iBiquity threatening enginers that speak out against HD
Radio. One broadcaster said iBiquity "mildly threatenened" him to
convert. I believe iBiquity has this as a "best-practices" clause in
their contracts. This should have been a huge red-flag to stations
that have converted. Of cource, if iBiquity's product was any good,
this clause would have never appeared. I do hope that Keefe Bartels
and Galax Wolf make good progress with their investigations, as class-
actions would certainly derail Struble and his minions. The degree of
this fraud would make Bernie Madoff blush, and probably jealous.
Automakers are receiving nothing but complaints about HD Radio. I
believe that HD Radio will eventually implode, but iBiquity is
probably hoping for an IPO before the truth finally comes out. There
will be no mandate for HD Radio, because there are no reclamation
needs of spectrum, as there was for digital TV. So, iBiquity is
threatening all of those stations that have turned off IBOC?
Interesting, but not surprising...

Notice that SMS derailed this thread from appearing in
alt.radio.digital and rec.radio.shortwave.

Imagine my surprise.

Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

That's hilarious.

The "big advantage" is that there will be no more interference to AM and
FM -- once AM and FM are forced off the air!

Anyone seen the Mad Hatter?


Kevin Alfred Strom.

Like using the internet can not interfere with the outcome of World War
II lol.

On 3/10/11 12:47 , Richard Evans wrote:
SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 10:12 PM, wrote:

Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .

Shh, don't tell Richard about Nyquist and Shannon!

Sorry but I already know a fair bit about Nyquist and Shannon. I
know that HD-Radio is a long way short of the Shannon Limit, unlike
something like DVB-T2 which is much closer to Shannon's Limit and
far more efficient than HD-Radio.

I also know enough about codecs to know that no known codec can make
music sound good when encoded at only 40kb/s. This is true over here
in the UK, so it must also be true over there in the US.

Richard E.


Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over
in the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.

On Mar 10, 12:00*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 3/10/11 12:47 , Richard Evans wrote:





SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 10:12 PM, wrote:

Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .

Shh, don't tell Richard about Nyquist and Shannon!

Sorry but I already know a fair bit about Nyquist and Shannon. I
know that HD-Radio is a long way short of the Shannon Limit, unlike
something like DVB-T2 which is much closer to Shannon's Limit and
far more efficient than HD-Radio.

I also know enough about codecs to know that no known codec can make
music sound good when encoded at only 40kb/s. This is true over here
in the UK, so it must also be true over there in the US.

Richard E.

* *Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over
in the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.- Hide quoted text -

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I balk, you balk, we all balk at IBOC ;-)

Sorry...

Do you know what happened to a lot of people's personal Shortwave Radios
in World War Two? I Know.

I was fixin to get back up in my attic,putting down two feet by eight
feet sheets of plywood over those ceiling rafters up there.I quit
working up there when the weather got cold, that cold air coming through
those roof vents on the sides up there,,, Frosty mannnnn, Frosty!
I need to get finished with that up there so I can move a hell of a LOT
of my old thingys up there, some of my (over 300) old radios up there
too.

But, What Every Woman Knows, old 1934 Scottish movie, has popped up on
the TCM channel.My attic will have to wait a while longer.
cuhulin

On 3/10/11 14:13 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, "D. Peter wrote:
On 3/10/11 12:47 , Richard Evans wrote:





SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 10:12 PM, wrote:

Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .

Shh, don't tell Richard about Nyquist and Shannon!

Sorry but I already know a fair bit about Nyquist and Shannon. I
know that HD-Radio is a long way short of the Shannon Limit, unlike
something like DVB-T2 which is much closer to Shannon's Limit and
far more efficient than HD-Radio.

I also know enough about codecs to know that no known codec can make
music sound good when encoded at only 40kb/s. This is true over here
in the UK, so it must also be true over there in the US.

Richard E.

Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over
in the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I balk, you balk, we all balk at IBOC ;-)

Sorry...

D. Peter Maus wrote:


Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over in
the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.

I wouldn't bank on it. You haven't seen/heard all the DAB advertising
we've had over the years.

Richard E.

There are a lot of smart phones and touch tablets Marketing/Advertising
commercials on tee vee channels over here.I suppose in Europe too.
cuhulin

On 3/10/2011 11:05 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Remember, the faster the IBOC scam goes broke, the faster we are likely
to get real digital radio in a dedicated band, which -- if it's done
right -- has great potential for superb quality, excellent coverage, new
content many times greater than what we now have, and new avenues for
freedom of expression.

Those are good goals, but the reality is that the existing broadcasters,
both large and small, are dead set against such a dedicated digital band
so it will likely not happen. They do not want to have to purchase
additional spectrum and have new competitors.

The whole reason IBOC came to be is because they needed buy-in from
existing broadcasters and the FCC on a digital scheme that would allow a
transition from analog to digital without creating a new digital band.

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I am bored, I might poke around in my attic and hour or two.I have three
long flourescent light fixtures up there I bought at Lowe's last
year.Doggy, you going to catch me if I fall down?
///You can catch your own self!///
cuhulin