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SMS March 9th 11 02:12 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
On 3/8/2011 4:11 PM, RHF wrote:

Not after a few Years of Blasting their Ears with
Very Loud Sounding "Pop" Music via Ear Buds !


The advantages of the personal music player, first the Walkman cassette
and CD units, and now the flash based units, over the older boom boxes
made many of us happy that we no longer had to endure bad and loud music
from others, but the long term effects on hearing loss are a serious
problem.

SMS March 9th 11 05:10 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
On 3/8/2011 4:03 PM, RHF wrote:
On Mar 8, 10:04 am, wrote:
On 3/8/2011 9:42 AM, RHF wrote:


Of course the loss of the higher quality signal was completely related
to money. Anyone that's ever listened to digital radio is thrilled with
the audio quality, but that doesn't mean that the station that's
broadcasting the content they want in higher quality digital audio is
going to survive.


One of my Sons who the Schools 'claimed' to have
what is now called ADD/ADDH and they wanted to
put him in a 'Special' Class and 'Med' Him all up.
http://add.about.com/
Back then when KDFC was a wonderful sounding
Analog Classical FM Radio Station
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDFC-FM
And alternative Medicine Practitioner suggested
Playing Classical Music at a very low sound level
at night while he was sleeping; so we did and it did
seem to work after a few weeks. Something to do
with occupying the Mind with Sounds that cause it
to subprocess them; and allowing the rest of the
Mind to Function more Normally.
http://www.naturaladhdcure.com/holistic.html


There are some ways to mitigate minor ADD/ADHD with behavior
modification and non-drug methods, though the drugs really do work. The
key thing with the ADD meds is to find the lowest dose that works. Too
low a dose and the meds have no effect at all, too high a dose and it
can cause problems. It's mostly trial and error to find the proper dose.

Fortunately no one has to rely on KDFC, whether analog or digital, for
classical music.

RHF March 9th 11 05:17 AM

Preaching Hate For IBOC : No Digital Love Allowed
 
On Mar 8, 12:12*pm, Patty Winter wrote:
In article ,

SMS wrote:

Anyone that's ever listened to digital radio is thrilled with
the audio quality


- Steven, why do you keep saying that, despite many people having
- said just the opposite in thread after thread that you've
- participated in? Really, why do you do it? Do you read other
- people's postings selectively and not see the parts that
- don't agree with your worldview? Do you think that repeating
- an untruth time after time will make it true? What are you
- doing?
-
- Patty

Patty,

So there is only your side to the 'story' : IBOC is Bad [.]

-and- Anyone who Thinks that IBOC might be good
should sit down and shut-up -cause- IBOC IS BAD !

Did You just may be think that "Steven" could Think
For Himself {Without You Telling Him How To Think}
-and- That "Steven" Has The Right To His Opinion !

.. . . nah you did not . . .

Patty Your Half-Truth Is NOT the Whole Truth
-and- "Steven" Simply Presents The 'Other' Half
of the Truth Complete Truth - imho ~ RHF

RHF March 9th 11 05:31 AM

Anti-IBOC Spammer "iBiquity Fraudsters" Sticks-Out Again !
 
On Mar 8, 12:38*pm, iBiquity Fraudsters
wrote:
On Mar 8, 3:12*pm, Patty Winter wrote:



In article ,


SMS wrote:


Anyone that's ever listened to digital radio is thrilled with
the audio quality


Steven, why do you keep saying that, despite many people having
said just the opposite in thread after thread that you've
participated in? Really, why do you do it? Do you read other
people's postings selectively and not see the parts that
don't agree with your worldview? Do you think that repeating
an untruth time after time will make it true? What are you
doing?


Patty


"Really, why do you do it?"


- Because he is frustrated that he doesn't have a
- blog that sits on Google's Homepage, so he has
- to post here, wasting time - LOL!

iBiquity Fraudsters : You are a Fly Speck
http://i1.soundcloud.com/artworks-00...nal.jpg?c1f0ed
-if-your-blog-is-so-great-:-then-why-do-you-post-here-?-
*r-o-t-f-l* *r-o-t-f-l* *r-o-t-f-l* *r-o-t-f-l* *r-o-t-f-l* *r-o-t-f-
l*

tony sayer March 9th 11 08:57 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' Consumers Want and Expect ?
 
In article , Patty Winter
scribeth thus

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:

Haven't you ever experienced "Bubblin mud" at all?...


Is that the "underwater" sound that results from dropouts on
digital audio signals? I hate that!


Patty


Yes it is dig-it-all radio is far from the perfection that some
think;!..
--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer March 9th 11 08:58 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' Consumers Want and Expect ?
 
In article , hwh iimeeltje@ho
tmail.com.invalid scribeth thus
On 3/8/11 8:29 PM, tony sayer wrote:
With an AAC+ Codec (DAB+ and HD are
both based on AAC+) you can achieve high quality audio with better
dynamic range with as low as 64kb/s encoding.


Err Right....


Err...not exactly. And HD radio uses an old version of AAC+.
Oh by the way: HD radio uses lower bitrates. So it does not achieve high
audio quality, even if 64 kbps would be the norm.

gr, hwh


Theres a hint of shall we say sarcasm in there;!..
--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer March 9th 11 08:59 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' Consumers Want and Expect ?
 
In article , SMS
scribeth thus
On 3/8/2011 11:29 AM, tony sayer wrote:
This was interesting because it validates what most people here have
been saying for a long time:

1) Streaming radio over the web results in lower audio quality than OTA.


Humm ... never heard the BBC's radio 3 HD output then I take it?,
perhaps you won't have done.. prolly you have never been to England
perhaps;?..


You're right, my mistake.

I should not generalize what is the case in the U.S. in terms of
streaming radio station audio with what is actually possible, and what
apparently is being done in the U.K.. Just as those that have never
heard digital radio in the U.S. should not equate it with the U.K.'s DAB
digital radio.


Yes well .. bit rates are the same here, there and everywhere.
96 K there is much the same as 96 K here file formats etc being the
same..
--
Tony Sayer


RHF March 9th 11 11:10 PM

IBOC FM HD-Radio Implementation : The FCC Is Planning For Failure [NoMandated Plan of Action]
 
On Mar 9, 12:44*pm, J G Miller wrote:
On Wednesday, 09 Mar 2011 09:21:44h -0800, SMS wrote:
Ten years is _nothing_ in the rollout of a new broadcast technology.
Look how long it took for FM radio or color TV to become ubiquitous.


Indeed, look how long it took for ATSC to become the universal standard
digital terrestrial broadcast TV standard in the USofA, 11 years from
the first broadcast.

So is it unreasonable to expect similar with digital radio, when the
cost of an HD radio is significantly less than an HDTV?


Dean[_2_] March 10th 11 02:20 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' Consumers Want and Expect ?
 
On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:27:50 +0000, Richard Evans
wrote:

Patty Winter wrote:
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Haven't you ever experienced "Bubblin mud" at all?...


Is that the "underwater" sound that results from dropouts on
digital audio signals? I hate that!


It is when you are listening to DAB. I presume it's caused by some of
the sub bands failing randomly as the signal gets a bit too weak.


I am new to this NG and SWL listening. What is DAB?


[email protected] March 10th 11 02:34 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content'Co...
 
DABney Coleman.
cuhulin


[email protected] March 10th 11 02:41 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content'Co...
 
DAB = Digital Audio Broadcasting.

http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=DAB+Radio
cuhulin


RHF March 10th 11 02:56 AM

What is DAB ?
 
On Mar 9, 6:20*pm, Dean wrote:
On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:27:50 +0000, Richard Evans

wrote:
Patty Winter wrote:
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Haven't you ever experienced "Bubblin mud" at all?...


Is that the "underwater" sound that results from dropouts on
digital audio signals? I hate that!


It is when you are listening to DAB. I presume it's caused by some of
the sub bands failing randomly as the signal gets a bit too weak.


- I am new to this NG and SWL listening. *What is DAB?

Dean,

Digital Audio Broadcasting (DAB)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting

-wrt- Digital Radio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_radio

and now you know -cause- you just read it here ~ RHF

[email protected] March 10th 11 06:12 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content'Consumers Want and Expect ?
 
On Mar 9, 12:39*pm, Richard Evans
wrote:
SMS wrote:
You're right, my mistake.


I should not generalize what is the case in the U.S. in terms of
streaming radio station audio with what is actually possible, and what
apparently is being done in the U.K.. Just as those that have never
heard digital radio in the U.S. should not equate it with the U.K.'s DAB
digital radio.


Well if somebody tried to sell me a car with a tiny engine, and said it
was a high performance sports car, then I would be suspicious.

If somebody told me that a digital radio system, being used with a bit
rate of only 40k, was providing high sound quality, then I would also be
suspicious about that. Oh hang on..... I just describes what I think
about HD-Radio.

I'm also suspicious of claims of near CD quality at 96k, as even aac
need 128k to provide near CD quality.

As far as I'm aware the laws of physics work the same way in the US as
they work here in the UK.

Richard E.


Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .

Richard Evans[_2_] March 10th 11 06:20 AM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
wrote:


As far as I'm aware the laws of physics work the same way in the US as
they work here in the UK.

Richard E.


Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .


Over here we call that sort of thing "Spin". ;-)

[email protected] March 10th 11 06:21 AM

Preaching Hate For IBOC : No Digital Love Allowed
 
On Mar 9, 1:28*pm, SMSbuster wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:17*pm, John Higdon wrote:





In article ,
*D Peter Maus wrote:


On 3/9/11 10:38 , SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 8:16 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


Except audio quality IS an issue. And as much as you deny it, there IS
intereference within a protected contour. I've filed such complaints,
myself.


"Filing complaints" is one thing, but what was the outcome of the
investigation into your complaint? Did they find interference?


* * So far, there's been no action on any of them.


The FCC has apparently investigated no complaints. If I didn't know
better, I'd say the FCC has been bought off.


But you never know.


--
John Higdon
+1 408 ANdrews 6-4400
AT&T-Free At Last


This totally explains the situation, via Bob Savage:

"Well, an anonymous source inside the FCC Mass Media Bureau has
reported that it is not true that "very few stations" have complained
about interference, but since I can't divulge the source I feel
certain you'll be skeptical about it. *He says there are scores of
cases, most of which are credible and not nuisance complaints. *I can,
however, document numerous others. *Of course there's WYSL vs. WBZ.
There is the Greater Media FM in Boston whose calls escape me vs. the
NPR station on Naragansett Pier in RI. *There are the three Clear
Channel 1130s in Detroit, Milwaukee and Minneapolis who turned off HD
at night to avoid interference with WRVA. *There's KFMB vs. KBRT.
There was WFIL vs. WHP (second adjacent.) *The chief engineer of WNTP
was complaining on the Philly board of radio-info about WMVP Chicago
within his protected contour. *On the Pittsburgh board here there are
many complaints of WBZ seriously impacting KDKA at night. *And of
course Citadel turned off HD at night on WABC, WSB and WJR after only
a week because of skywave problems. *I could go on, but that should
suffice. And if, as you state, there are "special cases," what do you
think should be done about them? *Thus far the Commission's approach
is to ignore all interference issues. *There hasn't been a single case
in the history of HD of the Enforcement Bureau ordering interfering
stations to reduce digital power or turn it off. *Do you think that's
right? What's the "extra functionality" of HD on AM? *Multicasting
isn't offered in HD-AM."

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1372694#ms....

AND:

"Howard, you're right about viewing the prospect of the FCC actually
doing something about an IBOC adjacent-channel interference case as -
well, "dim." *But allow me to show you how this game is played:
iBiquity, the Alliance and the lawyer-packed (and engineer-lite) FCC
have conspired to create a little jurisdictional Catch-22 designed to
prevent precisely the action you propose. *If a station victimized by
IBOC interference tries to short-circuit the FCC complaint-and-
enforcement process and sue the interferor directly, you land
immediately into a legal conundrum. Yes: along with trashing the
decades-old allocation scheme, distorting the NRSC standards and
redefining what "interference" is, the IBOC cabal has thought of this
too. So: you've filed your interference complaint(s) with the
Enforcement Bureau - which the Commission staff, deeply in the tank
for iBiquity, has resolutely spiked. *They'll pretend like they never
received it. *If you press individual staff members, they will counsel
you to approach the interferor to "try to work something out." *The
interferors, knowing they hold all the cards, give you the finger.
What the FCC WON'T do: take any action one way or other other. Your
proposed case against the interfering station lands you in Federal
court, because radio waves don't respect state borders and are thus by
definition "interstate commerce." *Under Federal court rules, since
Congress has given the FCC exclusive jurisdiction over the EM
spectrum, you can't seek relief in Federal court until you have
"exhausted administrative remedies." * Your complaint is still pending
(recall, the FCC hasn't given you relief or dismissed it.) *Nor will
they: if they grant you relief and order the offending station to
reduce digital power or turn off the IBOC, they've just killed HD,
which they don't want to do. *If they dismiss your complaint, they've
greenlighted a Federal interference lawsuit which will also kill HD
(nobody is going to install an expensive system which could either get
them sued or which the FCC might order them to turn off.) *So -
voila! *The FCC sits on your complaint. *Neat, huh? Of course, with
the passage of time, the argument "you haven't exhausted
administrative remedies" gets thinner and thinner, so you could head
to court to point out that the FCC has spiked your complaint for a
year or two - and these days, you could also add the argument that the
FCC has NEVER taken action on ANY IBOC interference complaint (and
notwithstanding a recent post here by The Cuyahoga Tejano alleging
otherwise, there have been scores of them.) I believe that sooner or
later somebody is going to sue over IBOC interference, and that
becomes more likely with the pending HD-FM digital power increase.
This time around, we're not talking about disused AM facilities but
high-billing FMs worth tens of millions. *When the stakes get high
enough, it's gonna happen. *But it will have to be a major player with
resources, since litigating just the threshold jurisdictional issue
could cost tens of thousands - with no guarantee of success, of
course. *Then the ensuing lawsuit - promising as it does to be highly
technical and hard to get a judge to understand or care about - could
easily run to $250K in legal fees. But with a big major-market high-
billing FM it could easily be worth it. *And THAT, boys and girls,
will mark The End of IBOC. *The HD loons are sowing the seeds of their
own demise with this nitwit digital increase - so I say, bring it!
When -10 dBc doesn't improve coverage, let's go to -4! *-2! "

http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/ind....msg1362248#ms....

Enough said.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Too much information . I'm getting a headache .

D. Peter Maus[_2_] March 10th 11 01:02 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
On 3/10/11 24:20 , Richard Evans wrote:
wrote:


As far as I'm aware the laws of physics work the same way in the
US as
they work here in the UK.

Richard E.


Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .


Over here we call that sort of thing "Spin". ;-)


We're a bit more pragmatic. We simply call it "Lying."



J G Miller March 10th 11 01:25 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content'Consumers Want and Expect ?
 
On Thursday, March 10th, 2011 at 07:02:04h -0600, D. Peter Maus explained:

We're a bit more pragmatic. We simply call it "Lying."


Yes, but you have First Ammendment rights and need to remember
where the libel capital of the world is located.

http://blogs.findlaw.co.UK/solicitor/2009/09/london-libel-capital-of-the-world.html

http://www.independent.co.UK/news/uk/home-news/invasion-of-the-libel-tourists-904111.html

So Mandelson is officially known as a "spin-doctor" not a master of lies.



Richard Evans[_2_] March 10th 11 06:47 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 10:12 PM, wrote:

Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .


Shh, don't tell Richard about Nyquist and Shannon!


Sorry but I already know a fair bit about Nyquist and Shannon. I know
that HD-Radio is a long way short of the Shannon Limit, unlike something
like DVB-T2 which is much closer to Shannon's Limit and far more
efficient than HD-Radio.

I also know enough about codecs to know that no known codec can make
music sound good when encoded at only 40kb/s. This is true over here in
the UK, so it must also be true over there in the US.

Richard E.

Kevin Alfred Strom March 10th 11 07:05 PM

Preaching Hate For IBOC : No Digital Love Allowed
 
On 3/10/2011 10:48 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 3/10/11 09:28 , SMS wrote:
On 3/10/2011 7:20 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Actually, your denials to the contrary, it is.


Your first hint that it had no validity should have been "an
anonymous source..."


"An anonymous source..." is the beginning about half of all news
stories.

"Deep Throat," who brought down the Nixon administration, was an
'anonymous source.'

There's not a police department in the world that doesn't have an
'anonymous source' program for gathering active crime information
within their jurisdictions, including the FBI.

Anonymity doesn't preclude validity. It only means that the source
doesn't want to face censure, persecution or litigation as a result
of speaking out.

And if you ask engineers working with iBiquity products, off the
record, you'll get a LOT of information about iBiquity's threats
against those who speak out against their IBOC system.

You know, Brother, quality products neither need, nor benefit from,
enforced silence. And if what iBiquity was claiming for their system
were true, they would not have written gag clauses into their
contracts threatening dissenting engineers with litigation for
speaking out about interference, audio quality or coverage.

The very fact that these clauses were written into the contracts
underscores that fact that iBiquity knew that what they were
claiming was untrue. And that they knew it from the outset.

Struble sits atop a phenomenally lucrative scam. And the public
bears the burden of his hubris with inferiour performance, poorer
audio quality, and spotty coverage with frequent dropouts.

Which makes suspect your motives for so shamelessly shilling for
this fraud.





Well said.

Remember, the faster the IBOC scam goes broke, the faster we are
likely to get real digital radio in a dedicated band, which -- if
it's done right -- has great potential for superb quality, excellent
coverage, new content many times greater than what we now have, and
new avenues for freedom of expression.


With every good wish,


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

Kevin Alfred Strom March 10th 11 07:18 PM

IBOC : A Natural Evolution Requires Time and HD-Radio's TimeHas Not Yet Come . . .
 
On 3/6/2011 11:42 PM, SMS wrote:
[...]
The big advantage of all-digital [IBOC] is that raising power levels no
longer will interfere with analog, presuming all stations do a
complete digital switchover. This is many years in the future of
course.



That's hilarious.

The "big advantage" is that there will be no more interference to AM
and FM -- once AM and FM are forced off the air!

Anyone seen the Mad Hatter?


Kevin Alfred Strom.
--
http://nationalvanguard.org/
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/

D. Peter Maus[_2_] March 10th 11 07:35 PM

Preaching Hate For IBOC : No Digital Love Allowed
 
On 3/10/11 11:46 , SMSbuster wrote:
On Mar 10, 10:48 am, "D. Peter wrote:
On 3/10/11 09:28 , SMS wrote:

On 3/10/2011 7:20 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:


Actually, your denials to the contrary, it is.


Your first hint that it had no validity should have been "an
anonymous source..."


"An anonymous source..." is the beginning about half of all news
stories.

"Deep Throat," who brought down the Nixon administration, was an
'anonymous source.'

There's not a police department in the world that doesn't have an
'anonymous source' program for gathering active crime information
within their jurisdictions, including the FBI.

Anonymity doesn't preclude validity. It only means that the
source doesn't want to face censure, persecution or litigation as a
result of speaking out.

And if you ask engineers working with iBiquity products, off the
record, you'll get a LOT of information about iBiquity's threats
against those who speak out against their IBOC system.

You know, Brother, quality products neither need, nor benefit
from, enforced silence. And if what iBiquity was claiming for their
system were true, they would not have written gag clauses into their
contracts threatening dissenting engineers with litigation for
speaking out about interference, audio quality or coverage.

The very fact that these clauses were written into the contracts
underscores that fact that iBiquity knew that what they were
claiming was untrue. And that they knew it from the outset.

Struble sits atop a phenomenally lucrative scam. And the public
bears the burden of his hubris with inferiour performance, poorer
audio quality, and spotty coverage with frequent dropouts.

Which makes suspect your motives for so shamelessly shilling for
this fraud.


Peter,

You certainly have figured out this fraud. I too have read stories on
the Web about iBiquity threatening enginers that speak out against HD
Radio. One broadcaster said iBiquity "mildly threatenened" him to
convert. I believe iBiquity has this as a "best-practices" clause in
their contracts. This should have been a huge red-flag to stations
that have converted. Of cource, if iBiquity's product was any good,
this clause would have never appeared. I do hope that Keefe Bartels
and Galax Wolf make good progress with their investigations, as class-
actions would certainly derail Struble and his minions. The degree of
this fraud would make Bernie Madoff blush, and probably jealous.
Automakers are receiving nothing but complaints about HD Radio. I
believe that HD Radio will eventually implode, but iBiquity is
probably hoping for an IPO before the truth finally comes out. There
will be no mandate for HD Radio, because there are no reclamation
needs of spectrum, as there was for digital TV. So, iBiquity is
threatening all of those stations that have turned off IBOC?
Interesting, but not surprising...

Notice that SMS derailed this thread from appearing in
alt.radio.digital and rec.radio.shortwave.


Imagine my surprise.




Richard Evans[_2_] March 10th 11 07:59 PM

IBOC : A Natural Evolution Requires Time and HD-Radio's TimeHas Not Yet Come . . .
 
Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

That's hilarious.

The "big advantage" is that there will be no more interference to AM and
FM -- once AM and FM are forced off the air!

Anyone seen the Mad Hatter?


Kevin Alfred Strom.


Like using the internet can not interfere with the outcome of World War
II lol.

D. Peter Maus[_2_] March 10th 11 08:00 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
On 3/10/11 12:47 , Richard Evans wrote:
SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 10:12 PM, wrote:

Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .


Shh, don't tell Richard about Nyquist and Shannon!


Sorry but I already know a fair bit about Nyquist and Shannon. I
know that HD-Radio is a long way short of the Shannon Limit, unlike
something like DVB-T2 which is much closer to Shannon's Limit and
far more efficient than HD-Radio.

I also know enough about codecs to know that no known codec can make
music sound good when encoded at only 40kb/s. This is true over here
in the UK, so it must also be true over there in the US.

Richard E.



Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over
in the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.



bpnjensen March 10th 11 08:13 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content'Consumers Want and Expect ?
 
On Mar 10, 12:00*pm, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 3/10/11 12:47 , Richard Evans wrote:





SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 10:12 PM, wrote:


Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .


Shh, don't tell Richard about Nyquist and Shannon!


Sorry but I already know a fair bit about Nyquist and Shannon. I
know that HD-Radio is a long way short of the Shannon Limit, unlike
something like DVB-T2 which is much closer to Shannon's Limit and
far more efficient than HD-Radio.


I also know enough about codecs to know that no known codec can make
music sound good when encoded at only 40kb/s. This is true over here
in the UK, so it must also be true over there in the US.


Richard E.


* *Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over
in the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I balk, you balk, we all balk at IBOC ;-)

Sorry...

[email protected] March 10th 11 08:13 PM

IBOC : A Natural Evolution Requires Time and HD-Radio's TimeH...
 
Do you know what happened to a lot of people's personal Shortwave Radios
in World War Two? I Know.

I was fixin to get back up in my attic,putting down two feet by eight
feet sheets of plywood over those ceiling rafters up there.I quit
working up there when the weather got cold, that cold air coming through
those roof vents on the sides up there,,, Frosty mannnnn, Frosty!
I need to get finished with that up there so I can move a hell of a LOT
of my old thingys up there, some of my (over 300) old radios up there
too.

But, What Every Woman Knows, old 1934 Scottish movie, has popped up on
the TCM channel.My attic will have to wait a while longer.
cuhulin


D. Peter Maus[_2_] March 10th 11 08:17 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
On 3/10/11 14:13 , bpnjensen wrote:
On Mar 10, 12:00 pm, "D. Peter wrote:
On 3/10/11 12:47 , Richard Evans wrote:





SMS wrote:
On 3/9/2011 10:12 PM, wrote:


Physics not used here : it is special interest groups . They can and
DO twist things around quite a bit .


Shh, don't tell Richard about Nyquist and Shannon!


Sorry but I already know a fair bit about Nyquist and Shannon. I
know that HD-Radio is a long way short of the Shannon Limit, unlike
something like DVB-T2 which is much closer to Shannon's Limit and
far more efficient than HD-Radio.


I also know enough about codecs to know that no known codec can make
music sound good when encoded at only 40kb/s. This is true over here
in the UK, so it must also be true over there in the US.


Richard E.


Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over
in the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I balk, you balk, we all balk at IBOC ;-)

Sorry...


:)

Richard Evans[_2_] March 10th 11 08:21 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content' ConsumersWant and Expect ?
 
D. Peter Maus wrote:


Haven't you heard? We have MUCH better marketing than you do over in
the UK, so reality is irrelevant to the cash flow.


I wouldn't bank on it. You haven't seen/heard all the DAB advertising
we've had over the years.

Richard E.

[email protected] March 10th 11 08:46 PM

IBOC ? : Do We Know What Today's Younger Audio 'Content'Consum...
 
There are a lot of smart phones and touch tablets Marketing/Advertising
commercials on tee vee channels over here.I suppose in Europe too.
cuhulin


SMS March 10th 11 10:09 PM

Preaching Hate For IBOC : No Digital Love Allowed
 
On 3/10/2011 11:05 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Remember, the faster the IBOC scam goes broke, the faster we are likely
to get real digital radio in a dedicated band, which -- if it's done
right -- has great potential for superb quality, excellent coverage, new
content many times greater than what we now have, and new avenues for
freedom of expression.


Those are good goals, but the reality is that the existing broadcasters,
both large and small, are dead set against such a dedicated digital band
so it will likely not happen. They do not want to have to purchase
additional spectrum and have new competitors.

The whole reason IBOC came to be is because they needed buy-in from
existing broadcasters and the FCC on a digital scheme that would allow a
transition from analog to digital without creating a new digital band.

[email protected] March 11th 11 02:03 AM

Preaching Hate For IBOC : No Digital Love Allowed
 
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gonna get Free!!!,,,,,,,,

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I am bored, I might poke around in my attic and hour or two.I have three
long flourescent light fixtures up there I bought at Lowe's last
year.Doggy, you going to catch me if I fall down?
///You can catch your own self!///
cuhulin


Steve March 11th 11 03:49 AM

iBiquity's gag-order for engineers (threads)
 
On Mar 10, 5:09*pm, SMS wrote:
On 3/10/2011 11:05 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:

Remember, the faster the IBOC scam goes broke, the faster we are likely
to get real digital radio in a dedicated band, which -- if it's done
right -- has great potential for superb quality, excellent coverage, new
content many times greater than what we now have, and new avenues for
freedom of expression.


Those are good goals, but the reality is that the existing broadcasters,
both large and small, are dead set against such a dedicated digital band
so it will likely not happen. They do not want to have to purchase
additional spectrum and have new competitors.

The whole reason IBOC came to be is because they needed buy-in from
existing broadcasters and the FCC on a digital scheme that would allow a
transition from analog to digital without creating a new digital band.


;

Steve March 11th 11 03:51 AM

Regenerative receivers, anyone?
 
On Mar 10, 10:49*pm, Steve wrote:
On Mar 10, 5:09*pm, SMS wrote:









On 3/10/2011 11:05 AM, Kevin Alfred Strom wrote:


Remember, the faster the IBOC scam goes broke, the faster we are likely
to get real digital radio in a dedicated band, which -- if it's done
right -- has great potential for superb quality, excellent coverage, new
content many times greater than what we now have, and new avenues for
freedom of expression.


Those are good goals, but the reality is that the existing broadcasters,
both large and small, are dead set against such a dedicated digital band
so it will likely not happen. They do not want to have to purchase
additional spectrum and have new competitors.


The whole reason IBOC came to be is because they needed buy-in from
existing broadcasters and the FCC on a digital scheme that would allow a
transition from analog to digital without creating a new digital band.


;d




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