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On Apr 12, 8:20*am, dave wrote:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...01148125546802... Permanent interdiction Dr Ramana warned that it would likely take several months without any more setbacks before the crisis can be declared stable. "What we're seeing is a lot of the systems were taken out during the tsunami and explosions," he added, "The lack of power to circulate the water is a problem, so there aren t going to be any quick fixes for these things." Olson also fears that if the core meltdowns get to the groundwater under the plant, "You have an explosive force that is like putting dynamite under the site. The problem is if you get this molten fuel into that water it could cause a steam explosion." "Since unit two is showing signs of fission happening, the chances of something more catastrophic happening at that site are increasing," Olson added, "People are acting like the worst is over, and that is just not understanding the real issues here as far as the radiological impacts.." She also pointed out that the fuel pool in reactor No. 3 "is gone, according to recent photos. There is no fuel there. The reactor fuel pool in No. 3 is gone. Where did it go?" Chernobyl Contaminated and Polluted the Land Area for a 100 to 1000 Kilometres around it with Multi-Generational Radioactivity. The Japanese will be pumping over a Million Gallons of Contaminated and Polluted Radioactive Waste Water into the Worlds Oceans and spreading Radioactive Toxic Waters all around the World; with the potential to Toxicify All Sea Food for Years if not Generations. JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! and that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF |
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Regarding those crippled Yapanee Nuke plants, those Yapanee people act
like they don't know what the Sheet they are doing! cuhulin |
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Wow Roy.
I didn'tunderstand all that. How sure are you of your surce, does she know her stuff? Thanks for posting it -- Burr Big, Lean, Mean and Clean. I Push Iron and Turn Cranks I'll be lifting until they pry the bar from my cold dead hands Adventure before Dementia I'm a member of The Tea Party, I VOTE "RHF" wrote in message ... On Apr 12, 8:20 am, dave wrote: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...01148125546802... Permanent interdiction Dr Ramana warned that it would likely take several months without any more setbacks before the crisis can be declared stable. "What we're seeing is a lot of the systems were taken out during the tsunami and explosions," he added, "The lack of power to circulate the water is a problem, so there aren t going to be any quick fixes for these things." Olson also fears that if the core meltdowns get to the groundwater under the plant, "You have an explosive force that is like putting dynamite under the site. The problem is if you get this molten fuel into that water it could cause a steam explosion." "Since unit two is showing signs of fission happening, the chances of something more catastrophic happening at that site are increasing," Olson added, "People are acting like the worst is over, and that is just not understanding the real issues here as far as the radiological impacts." She also pointed out that the fuel pool in reactor No. 3 "is gone, according to recent photos. There is no fuel there. The reactor fuel pool in No. 3 is gone. Where did it go?" Chernobyl Contaminated and Polluted the Land Area for a 100 to 1000 Kilometres around it with Multi-Generational Radioactivity. The Japanese will be pumping over a Million Gallons of Contaminated and Polluted Radioactive Waste Water into the Worlds Oceans and spreading Radioactive Toxic Waters all around the World; with the potential to Toxicify All Sea Food for Years if not Generations. JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! and that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF |
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On Apr 12, 4:40*pm, RHF wrote:
On Apr 12, 8:20*am, dave wrote: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...01148125546802... Permanent interdiction Dr Ramana warned that it would likely take several months without any more setbacks before the crisis can be declared stable. "What we're seeing is a lot of the systems were taken out during the tsunami and explosions," he added, "The lack of power to circulate the water is a problem, so there aren t going to be any quick fixes for these things." Olson also fears that if the core meltdowns get to the groundwater under the plant, "You have an explosive force that is like putting dynamite under the site. The problem is if you get this molten fuel into that water it could cause a steam explosion." "Since unit two is showing signs of fission happening, the chances of something more catastrophic happening at that site are increasing," Olson added, "People are acting like the worst is over, and that is just not understanding the real issues here as far as the radiological impacts." She also pointed out that the fuel pool in reactor No. 3 "is gone, according to recent photos. There is no fuel there. The reactor fuel pool in No. 3 is gone. Where did it go?" Chernobyl Contaminated and Polluted the Land Area for a 100 to 1000 Kilometres around it with Multi-Generational Radioactivity. The Japanese will be pumping over a Million Gallons of Contaminated and Polluted Radioactive Waste Water into the Worlds Oceans and spreading Radioactive Toxic Waters all around the World; with the potential to Toxicify All Sea Food for Years if not Generations. JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! and that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF *. *. Roy - did you make this up? Frankly, not at all. A million gallons of the water in question - even a billion gallons - spread among the all the oceans, will result in concentrations of toxins and levels of radiation almost unmeasurable, assuming perfect mixing (which is a fair assumption worldwide, but a less than satisfactory assumption for the water immediately near Japan in the short term). The oceans of the world contain about 326,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of water, and the addition of even a billion contaminated gallons would be diluted by a factor of 326,000,000,000 times. That's less than 1/3 part per 100 billion on average, a VERY tiny concentration. This would be hard to detect under the best of circumstances, and I'd bet good money that increases in cancer rates as a result would be statistically insignificant, much less than having a well-used highway near your home, for example. Contaminated *rainwater*, which could *only* come from cloud droplets forming on radioactive dust particles and by no other method, falling on the ocean would be nearly inconsequential after a couple of seconds. Pretty minor on land too. Make no mistake - I am not a fan of U and PU fission reactors - but this fear is just not scientifically based at all. You should really stop being such a fearmonger. The more critical problem is when this material is taken up by the local biota near Japan that feeds ever higher creatures on the food chain. Higher creatures tend to concentrate toxins, which not only hurts them but any critters that eat them. The fish nearby may be unsafe to eat for animals or humans for quite awhile, and the local marine mammal population will probably suffer even more than it already does (I refer, of course, to the brutal mass slaughter of dolphins in Japan). The problem Dave relates, that of further meltdown and steam explosion, is demonstrably more immediate and dangerous locally. Earthwide, however, not a big deal, for the same reason - dilution. If it goes on for a LONG time, like years, I suppose it could have effects on populations of nearby Pacific Islands, assuming favorable wind patterns...but I'd have to see some better analysis to be convinced. That, from a die-hard environmentalist. Bruce Jensen |
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Well Said Bruce!
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On Apr 12, 8:16*pm, "Burr" wrote:
- Wow Roy. - I didn't understand all that. - How sure are you of your surce, - does she know her stuff? - -*Thanks for posting it - - -- - Burr The Japanese right now are doing a lot of face saving -so- They Can Not Be Trusted for the Whole Truth. |
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On 4/13/2011 3:39 AM, RHF wrote:
Plus The Obama-Regime Never Could Be Trusted for the Truth. Yeah, it's almost enough to make you long for the George W. Bush good old days of "the Truth"...like those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that were in the north...and south...and east...and west. Bwaaahahahahahaha! |
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On 4/12/2011 7:40 PM, RHF wrote:
JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! So tell us, Roy...just exactly how did those evil Japanese cause that earthquake and tsunami to cause all that "criminal pollution". |
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On 04/12/2011 09:48 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
The problem Dave relates, that of further meltdown and steam explosion, is demonstrably more immediate and dangerous locally. Earthwide, however, not a big deal, for the same reason - dilution. If it goes on for a LONG time, like years, I suppose it could have effects on populations of nearby Pacific Islands, assuming favorable wind patterns...but I'd have to see some better analysis to be convinced. That, from a die-hard environmentalist. Bruce Jensen You can't dilute radioactive particles and make them less mutagenic; you are just dispersing them more. When the secondary containment of F.D. reactor 3 exploded three days into the incident its spent fuel (waste) pond was pulverized and the contents were scattered for many kilometers around the plant. At that point the incident was in Chernobyl category 7 territory, but the authorities were afraid to panic rescue workers away from the region. |
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On 04/13/2011 04:12 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 4/12/2011 7:40 PM, RHF wrote: JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! So tell us, Roy...just exactly how did those evil Japanese cause that earthquake and tsunami to cause all that "criminal pollution". The criminal act was putting reactors so close together that a catastrophe in one of them makes the area too hot for workers to prevent catastrophes in the ones next to it. |
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On Apr 13, 12:18*am, RHF wrote:
-fyi- Fear Mongering Would Be About the 'Possibility' of a Japanese Nuclear Disaster and all the Global Radioactive Contamination That It Might Bring With It. Fearmongering takes many forms, including hyping a situation far beyond it's worth. Stop doing it. OOPS... TRUTH BE TOLD THE JAPANESE NUCLEAR DISASTER DID IN-FACT HAPPEN FOUR-TIMES [4X] OVER AND THE RADIOACTIVITY IS SPREADING IN JAPAN TODAY AND GLOBALLY OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, MONTHS, YEARS, DECADES AND BEYOND -fear-monger-no- TRUTH TELLER YES ~ RHF Yes, maybe but that's NOT what you said. Your implication was that this would be a worldwide catastrophe, when in fact the math is pretty clear that except for the local area (like within a 100 kM radius), the effects will likely be small or unmeasurable. BpnJ, So when the Japanese admit to a Math Error of Two Orders of Magnitude -oops- -not- 10 Million Times the Safe Levels of Radiation -but- Only 100 Thousand Times the Safe Levels of Radiation ? ? ? YOU ARE OK WITH THAT ! ! ! Did I say that? No. -and- The Resulting 70K Years of Global "U" and "PU" Radioactive Toxic Waste Yes, locally, a serious problem. Not for the world, for the Japanese. Oops One Million Gallons of Contaminated Toxic Radioactive Sea Water dumped into the Japanese Coastal Waters of the Pacific Ocean -and- Oops Each Gallon Potentially Has 100 Thousand Times the Safe Levels of Radiation -hey- to get down to the One-Times [1X] Safe Levels of Radiation only requires that Japan Contaminates -doing-the-math- 1,000,000 x 100,000 = 100,000,000,000 Gallons of World Wide {Global} Ocean Waters ? ? ? Which Part of 100 Billion Gallons of Radioactive Contaminated Waste Waters Is Un-Clear ! ! ! Your math is fuzzier than a koala bear. Take 100,000 and divide it by 330,000,000,000. What do you get? You get an increase in radiation *over natural background levels* of 1/330,000, or an INCREASE of 0.0003%. Tiny. Insignificant. Probably much less than you get from a walk in the mountains from radon gas. -oops- 70K Years of Global Radioactive Toxic Waste Yep Some of this Radioactivity is Multi-Generational -reminder- 70K Years of Global Radioactive Toxic Waste Yes, I know. Just like the stuff every nuke has been generating since the 1950s. It's bad long-lasitng stuff. I know, I pay attention to science and technology all the time. But it is in Japan, not the entire globe. They have a serious cleanup problem there, if it is even possible - but it is not a global disaster. The math just does not support it. If there is a global implication, it is a policy implication. This could happen anywhere, and it is why Pu/U nukes need serious reconsideration. # 1 - You Move To Japan with Your Family : Do A House Exchange With A Japanese Family I Am Sure That There Are Plenty Who Would Want To Swap for the Next 'Glowing' Year or too... What is this? Where did this BS come from? Unless you were planning on going to live in Japan, what is the point of making this scenario up? This is fluff. # 2 - Go On A Japanese Sea Food Diet of Local Sea Food from Japanese Coastal Waters : You Will Know It's Fresh When The Geiger-Counter on the Kitchen Table Starts Ticking Wildly... Didn't I just say this? Are you planning on eating a bunch of Japanese seafood? I thought not. More fluff. # 3 - Each Time It Rains in the SF Bay Area for the Next 100 Years : Stripe Down and Take an "Au-Natural" Natural Rain Shower in those Glowing Rain Waters : They Will Make You Look Positively "Radiant" ;;-}} BS. As I began to explain, the only way you can get rain with greater than natural levels of radiation is if a cloud of *dust* (not vapor, dust) from the plant gets into the atmosphere and becomes the nuclei for droplet growth. It won't happen any other way. IF this even happens, which is unlikely on anything like a regular basis for all kinds of reasons, you will have a few tiny specks of radioactive material in each raindrop, and these will quickly wash to the sea. To be perfectly honest, the mushroom cloud from a single above-ground detonation will put more radiation into rain at one fell swoop than this plant will put there in 70,000 years. BpnJ : How Can You Claim To Be A "Die-Hard Environmentalist" {Dead-and-Hard-Cold} When You Actively Support Nuclear Power You cannot read either. I *told you* I do not support nukes in their present form. I never have. Pu and U-235 fission is recipe for disaster. I do like Thorium reactors as a short term energy solution because they avoid nearly all the problems of U/Pu and the fuel is plentiful. Fusion I like much better, but our shortsighted politicians have never seen fit to support its development while all that oil money rolls in. Thus, it's still 40-50 years away and It's 70K Years of Global Radioactive Toxic Waste - rotfl ~ RHF Sorry, Roy, but youre statement is a repugnant and misleading lie. When will you stop? Is it habitual? Just quit making stuff up and pretending it's truth. |
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On Apr 13, 6:31*am, dave wrote:
On 04/12/2011 09:48 PM, bpnjensen wrote: The problem Dave relates, that of further meltdown and steam explosion, is demonstrably more immediate and dangerous locally. Earthwide, however, not a big deal, for the same reason - dilution. If it goes on for a LONG time, like years, I suppose it could have effects on populations of nearby Pacific Islands, assuming favorable wind patterns...but I'd have to see some better analysis to be convinced. That, from a die-hard environmentalist. Bruce Jensen You can't dilute radioactive particles and make them less mutagenic; you are just dispersing them more. When the secondary containment of F.D. reactor 3 exploded three days into the incident its spent fuel (waste) pond was pulverized and the contents were scattered for many kilometers around the plant. At that point the incident was in Chernobyl category 7 territory, but the authorities were afraid to panic rescue workers away from the region. Yes, but higher concentrations are demonstrably more likely to cause mutagenesis problems. An average increase in rads above background levels of less than 0.001% in oceanic waters is not going to cause significant increases in cancer anywhere. I do agree with your last point. |
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On 04/13/2011 09:22 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:31 am, wrote: On 04/12/2011 09:48 PM, bpnjensen wrote: The problem Dave relates, that of further meltdown and steam explosion, is demonstrably more immediate and dangerous locally. Earthwide, however, not a big deal, for the same reason - dilution. If it goes on for a LONG time, like years, I suppose it could have effects on populations of nearby Pacific Islands, assuming favorable wind patterns...but I'd have to see some better analysis to be convinced. That, from a die-hard environmentalist. Bruce Jensen You can't dilute radioactive particles and make them less mutagenic; you are just dispersing them more. When the secondary containment of F.D. reactor 3 exploded three days into the incident its spent fuel (waste) pond was pulverized and the contents were scattered for many kilometers around the plant. At that point the incident was in Chernobyl category 7 territory, but the authorities were afraid to panic rescue workers away from the region. Yes, but higher concentrations are demonstrably more likely to cause mutagenesis problems. An average increase in rads above background levels of less than 0.001% in oceanic waters is not going to cause significant increases in cancer anywhere. I do agree with your last point. Plankton-phytoplankton-krill-etc. Each step in the food chain concentrates the toxic materials. By the time the chain gets to us, there could be problems. Burning coal has made some wild fish inedible due to mercury. Cesium and strontium dumped into a major ocean current is going to result in an increase in cancer in the North Pacific and most likely a collapse in the seafood industry. |
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On Apr 13, 10:08*am, dave wrote:
On 04/13/2011 09:22 AM, bpnjensen wrote: On Apr 13, 6:31 am, *wrote: On 04/12/2011 09:48 PM, bpnjensen wrote: The problem Dave relates, that of further meltdown and steam explosion, is demonstrably more immediate and dangerous locally. Earthwide, however, not a big deal, for the same reason - dilution. If it goes on for a LONG time, like years, I suppose it could have effects on populations of nearby Pacific Islands, assuming favorable wind patterns...but I'd have to see some better analysis to be convinced. That, from a die-hard environmentalist. Bruce Jensen You can't dilute radioactive particles and make them less mutagenic; you are just dispersing them more. When the secondary containment of F.D. reactor 3 exploded three days into the incident its spent fuel (waste) pond was pulverized and the contents were scattered for many kilometers around the plant. At that point the incident was in Chernobyl category 7 territory, but the authorities were afraid to panic rescue workers away from the region. Yes, but higher concentrations are demonstrably more likely to cause mutagenesis problems. *An average increase in rads above background levels of less than 0.001% in oceanic waters is not going to cause significant increases in cancer anywhere. *I do agree with your last point. Plankton-phytoplankton-krill-etc. Each step in the food chain concentrates the toxic materials. By the time the chain gets to us, there could be problems. Burning coal has made some wild fish inedible due to mercury. Cesium and strontium dumped into a major ocean current is going to result in an increase in cancer in the North Pacific and most likely a collapse in the seafood industry.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I understand the process and the know of the issue; but oceanic mixing over time is pretty good, and significant dilution occurs even as we speak. Do you know of any uptake data on Pu and related contaminants by plankton? I honestly do not know. And you have to admit - the ubiquity and longevity of coal burning (kajillions of tons over several centuries) GREATLY exceeds by multiple orders of magnitude those same factors as applied to nukes in general or this one in particular. Mercury in the global environment is common and widespread; same with radon gas. The same will never be true of Pu or U235, at least from an accident of this type. We need to keep this in perspective. In terms of global effects, we currently have problems that really make this one a piker. That is not say we should be concerned about Japan and vicinity; but compared to all the other things we are faced with daily in NAm, for example, this appears to be an insignificant blip. I live on the West Coast NAm too - and I just don't see any numbers that create concern in my mind. Bruce |
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On Apr 13, 4:12*am, Joe from Kokomo wrote:
On 4/12/2011 7:40 PM, RHF wrote: JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! So tell us, Roy...just exactly how did those evil Japanese cause that earthquake and tsunami to cause all that "criminal pollution". Dintcha know? They brought the wrath of God upon them for not being Christians ;-) |
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On Apr 13, 6:47*am, dave wrote:
On 04/13/2011 04:12 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 4/12/2011 7:40 PM, RHF wrote: JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! So tell us, Roy...just exactly how did those evil Japanese cause that earthquake and tsunami to cause all that "criminal pollution". The criminal act was putting reactors so close together that a catastrophe in one of them makes the area too hot for workers to prevent catastrophes in the ones next to it. Criminally stupid, at least. |
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On 04/13/2011 11:48 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 13, 10:08 am, wrote: I live on the West Coast NAm too - and I just don't see any numbers that create concern in my mind. Bruce Like I said, Red Snapper will cost more. |
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Article at http://www.rense.com
says the biggest Yapanee Nuke cloud is over Vietnam. Vietnam getting Nuked? Hillbillies are Californians, ergo there are so many hills over there.Some of those hills are sliding down, some of those hills are taking sections of highways and homes and cars and trucks with them too.Missy Sippy is mostly flatland Territory.No Hillbillies over here, only backwater hicks. cuhulin |
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Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-12 05:40 PM, RHF wrote: The Japanese will be pumping over a Million Gallons of Contaminated and Polluted Radioactive Waste Water into the Worlds Oceans and spreading Radioactive Toxic Waters all around the World; with the potential to Toxicify All Sea Food for Years if not Generations. JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! and that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF ...and the dumping of 80 thousand barrels of nuclear waste into the ocean next to California by the US radiation industry is fine, right? The dumping of nuclear waste into the North Sea by Russia is fine, right? Japanese are criminals, Americans are just businessmen, right? Funny how it didn't need a Tsunami and gigantic earthquake to convince the US to pollute the world's oceans. mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNp0QoAAoJEJXfKw5kUPt7zdgIAIjfvWw6LV zpLxsnHSE2+eeV b9DtyQMIIeQP9V4+SCxI4sDoGKAyFcGNLD1CozYQsYak5Cb4wa OAiXFT9WxhNhcU KvPEjAgkWugnd0OM+eIaAWJBWzqOQOKISll0cJoBM4wDgW9Hyz EJ1QNCbsIr1K1Z ZcDmrRsHeypECVfyUpBGvi7vmXwqTnNYG9JVl5oKHuAPA6z9Ux 1ghZoBzvGTkFsb 1qo3eZAggdnamkeHnKb7con4xPVkgt0s2GSEl3ooiFKuWL3nFY 69nJLdAcaiQ3+i S9ORrvFtY0hmia4cFoKoXZPrCrER0voy4gFYLIZqBnPrdQxlU+ xHIUJ6qqZGzZE= =fBzo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-13 12:49 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Apr 13, 4:12 am, Joe from Kokomo wrote: On 4/12/2011 7:40 PM, RHF wrote: JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! So tell us, Roy...just exactly how did those evil Japanese cause that earthquake and tsunami to cause all that "criminal pollution". Dintcha know? They brought the wrath of God upon them for not being Christians ;-) Thus sayeth Pat Robertson. I wonder now if the Devil made California build those reactors right on the San Andreas fault. I heard they built them there because the land was cheap. Then again, it could be just stupidity, as evidenced by this sort of Homer Simpson/RHF activity: http://tinyurl.com/6kwbv35 mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNp0g7AAoJEJXfKw5kUPt7LDwH/2tX9644TuRZWQHPkjeuLUfk Tkk3G0GDWGAyN4hEs8VsnFfYglfu5ZRvjYGF/uuWN0A1g55C89t3MGKzQmgDIjZr r13hf47jGHkSelG6GwPpGRkmhQQ/MeMgEvPh5sgNxoADep114iukUqI8Fc90C8V1 Fa1YU4oj+bjeothsaxHCnUTip+ce5fKsQ9WagbCQubJOi49jCo xsOE20JeML1Qbi o2D+ZcS5n3+VP05PiTNxaC+LjExmqoEqyMc+xwDizjKQ7xrkZo hr4mlz77xZtTfR msaaXfDjInWZgk6rb27wj+vsJvMwiLVLX86zJFnF/+ZiPADO5tOw4XBYemFkau4= =d5cv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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On 04/14/2011 12:17 PM, m II wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-13 12:49 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Apr 13, 4:12 am, Joe from wrote: On 4/12/2011 7:40 PM, RHF wrote: JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! So tell us, Roy...just exactly how did those evil Japanese cause that earthquake and tsunami to cause all that "criminal pollution". Dintcha know? They brought the wrath of God upon them for not being Christians ;-) Thus sayeth Pat Robertson. I wonder now if the Devil made California build those reactors right on the San Andreas fault. I heard they built them there because the land was cheap. No nukes on the San Andreas Fault. We do have several fossil generators but no nukes on my fault. |
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Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-13 10:19 AM, bpnjensen wrote: Your math is fuzzier than a koala bear. Math? Koala? You've hit on something here.. Euclid vs Eucalyptus That could be right up there with the Nietzsche vs Wagner feud. Or Newton vs Leibniz. This is a business opportunity of the first order. mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNp1aOAAoJEJXfKw5kUPt7BmgH/1g4F+iDpUmxsC6x/QQvtg0o +cFhuEi039fCdAs7GYsZRypON/GwwR2SxKyLb5YIn/u8TN+7u+0C2/wGWLMlUdvD 5H19BXyvWdZ53d+y1iAWIxOOnqUlVXdib75qR34YiaHte9B7pJ ISZ3lprPKsq1eg gegcHiiwoZQGfDj3Auh18p3UPKm58o1+M69v6yUaq4rxzmrop2 UJNSPhQD0jjh98 SJ7AMRo4ST08ZOSDq9iRCX4B533nzuq6wj+Ak58G23e1LLYclS FJBEqNugt/iZaX cqrZDZxQ6lijjNwhXEt6Vx8c0EipT2DgK/EGnTDDcJPeg8Gp18cI2ELpk9rwQ5U= =eTch -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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On Apr 14, 1:17*pm, dave wrote:
On 04/14/2011 12:17 PM, m II wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-13 12:49 PM, bpnjensen wrote: On Apr 13, 4:12 am, Joe from *wrote: On 4/12/2011 7:40 PM, RHF wrote: JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! So tell us, Roy...just exactly how did those evil Japanese cause that earthquake and tsunami to cause all that "criminal pollution". Dintcha know? *They brought the wrath of God upon them for not being Christians ;-) - - Thus sayeth Pat Robertson. - - I wonder now if the Devil made California build - - those reactors right on the San Andreas fault. - - I heard they built them there because the land - - was cheap. There is a Logical Rational* for Building Nuclear Plants near : -it's-a-devils-deal- 1st : Ocean Shore Lines 2nd : Lakes/Reservoirs 3rd : Rivers/Watersheds * Safety : Back-Up Last-Ditch Fail-Safe -and-nuclear-is-dancing-with-the-devil- |
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On Apr 14, 12:00*pm, m II wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-12 05:40 PM, RHF wrote: The Japanese will be pumping over a Million Gallons of Contaminated and Polluted Radioactive Waste Water into the Worlds Oceans and spreading Radioactive Toxic Waters all around the World; with the potential to Toxicify All Sea Food for Years if not Generations. JAPAN CRIMINAL POLLUTERS ON A GLOBAL SCALE ! and that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF ..and the dumping of 80 thousand barrels of nuclear waste into the ocean next to California by the US radiation industry is fine, right? The dumping of nuclear waste into the North Sea by Russia is fine, right? Japanese are criminals, Americans are just businessmen, right? Funny how it didn't need a Tsunami and gigantic earthquake to convince the US to pollute the world's oceans. mike Nuclear Power Plants Are A Devil's Deal with a 70K Year Potential To Burn In A Toxic Radioactive Hell Nuclear Power Is Dancing With The Devil and Visiting Your Sins On Your Children, Grand-Children and 2,000 Generations of Humans into the Radioactive Hell of a Cursed Future. and... that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF |
(OT) : Nuclear Power Is Dancing With The Devil and Visiting YourSins On 2,000 Generations of Humans into Radioactive Hell of a Future
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Hash: SHA1 On 11-04-14 03:28 PM, RHF wrote: Nuclear Power Plants Are A Devil's Deal with a 70K Year Potential To Burn In A Toxic Radioactive Hell Nuclear Power Is Dancing With The Devil and Visiting Your Sins On Your Children, Grand-Children and 2,000 Generations of Humans into the Radioactive Hell of a Cursed Future. and... that is how 'i' see it ~ RHF Evasion noted. mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNp3LXAAoJEJXfKw5kUPt7r00H/1WfzwgJimG5YVy6BXczwdV0 bmov5+XSsAl3lrdbFjjLLH0mGf1PA3TdCoLzFO7w7GjKypNpYH paW/aYR/+id8WS gYFpbMJuOMnjTJlkwgQm686qw8xuaAC3hnphHZ29LDZtBp8SgC 0Z5OKptNMnImti dRdpH1EeCyg3qi25vt7+GE8jixpgUEk9o29Bu+u2TFHwVgc2Lp PAoFCH3xhWrtwH COsZR0KO7xHdjKnvKkwJd/RLCPtAK6gRHGc2dec7M88lj2zcMqOR9iVPnUHXUDMw wp/iGuNm+zvElGWUFm0GBK3rk1ZbCn/5ueTTKnMn6IddxX1s0Y6Ozcpm/BvD3rE= =ujZd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
(OT) : Nuclear Power Is Dancing With The Devil and VisitingYou...
Live in a house made of wicker.An Earthquake might make it rattle a
little bit, if it falls down, you can use it to build another Wicker house.I have an old antique kids Wicker Rocking Chair, it needs some repair done to it.It was needing repair when I bought it at the Goodwill store many years ago.It is easy to repair Wicker thingys and make thingys with Wicker, I done got too Lazy to mess with it. cuhulin, the Wicker Man |
(OT) : Nuclear Power Is Dancing With The Devil and VisitingYou...
Tokyo is Mulling (Mulling) moving the Capitol to Osaka or Nagoya, or
wherever. http://www.rense.com cuhulin, Mulling Mulligan Stew for Supper |
"America Tonight" -host- Kate Delaney Talking About JapaneseRadioactive Toxic Polluters Buy-Out
On Apr 15, 3:55*am, "Burr" wrote:
- Japan nuclear plant owner must pay $600M "America Tonight" -host- Kate Delaney is talking http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/americaTonight/ about that right now $12K per Family ain't nothing for being forced our of Home, Job, Work, School and the Town/City you Live and Grew-up in... * "America Tonight" -host- Kate Delaney http://www.americatonight.net/ * "America Tonight" : Radio Stations http://www.gcnlive.com/programs/amer...iliateList.pdf Just how does $600M or $600B or $600T adequately compensate the 12~36 Million Japanese who will be displaced by this Nuclear Contaminated Radiative Zone that will make the take-up the Northern 1/3rd of Honshu Island the Main Japanese Home Island will be a No Man's Land [Uninhabitable] within a Decade http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages/MapJapan.jpg |
(OT) : Criminal Japanese Radioactive Toxic Polluters of All the
On 04/14/2011 03:04 PM, bpnjensen wrote:
Being in a seismically active area is not quite the same as being on a fault line. Fault rupture is, at any given time, a more serious issue to local buildings than the ensuing ground shaking - it will break your structure in two; but if you are not on a fault line, then shaking is your key problem if you are not in danger of a landslide, tsunami or liquefaction. A building can be built to withstand almost any foreseeable level of shake. Surface cracking is localized. It is not the actual fault opening up. EQs occur a mile or more below the surface. |
(OT) : Criminal Japanese Radioactive Toxic Polluters of All the
On Apr 15, 6:25*am, dave wrote:
On 04/14/2011 03:04 PM, bpnjensen wrote: Being in a seismically active area is not quite the same as being on a fault line. *Fault rupture is, at any given time, a more serious issue to local buildings than the ensuing ground shaking - it will break your structure in two; but if you are not on a fault line, then shaking is your key problem if you are not in danger of a landslide, tsunami or liquefaction. *A building can be built to withstand almost any foreseeable level of shake. Surface cracking is localized. It is not the actual fault opening up. EQs occur a mile or more below the surface. Correct, but you may want to come up to the Bay Area and see what has happened at Point Reyes, Los Trancos and elsewhere. It may be surface cracking, but the ground does open up, and the two sides exhibit significant displacement in three dimensions. Whether it is the actual fault is immaterial - it will disassemble structures. I'm sure you guys have examples in SoCal, and there are some seriously spectacular scarps in Nevada and down near Carrizo Plain, if I'm not mistaken. |
(OT) : As long as it's just the North Pacific I guess...hey waita minute!
On Apr 15, 2:32*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 13, 9:22*am, bpnjensen wrote: On Apr 13, 6:31*am, dave wrote: On 04/12/2011 09:48 PM, bpnjensen wrote: The problem Dave relates, that of further meltdown and steam explosion, is demonstrably more immediate and dangerous locally. Earthwide, however, not a big deal, for the same reason - dilution. If it goes on for a LONG time, like years, I suppose it could have effects on populations of nearby Pacific Islands, assuming favorable wind patterns...but I'd have to see some better analysis to be convinced. That, from a die-hard environmentalist. Bruce Jensen You can't dilute radioactive particles and make them less mutagenic; you are just dispersing them more. When the secondary containment of F.D. reactor 3 exploded three days into the incident its spent fuel (waste) pond was pulverized and the contents were scattered for many kilometers around the plant. At that point the incident was in Chernobyl category 7 territory, but the authorities were afraid to panic rescue workers away from the region. Yes, but higher concentrations are demonstrably more likely to cause mutagenesis problems. *An average increase in rads above background levels of less than 0.001% in oceanic waters is not going to cause significant increases in cancer anywhere. *I do agree with your last point. Do You Own GE Stock ? *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I have some mutual funds that may contain GE stock - not sure, and its irrelevant. |
(OT) : As long as it's just the North Pacific I guess...hey waita minute!
On Apr 15, 2:31*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 13, 6:31*am, dave wrote: On 04/12/2011 09:48 PM, bpnjensen wrote: The problem Dave relates, that of further meltdown and steam explosion, is demonstrably more immediate and dangerous locally. Earthwide, however, not a big deal, for the same reason - dilution. If it goes on for a LONG time, like years, I suppose it could have effects on populations of nearby Pacific Islands, assuming favorable wind patterns...but I'd have to see some better analysis to be convinced. That, from a die-hard environmentalist. Bruce Jensen You can't dilute radioactive particles and make them less mutagenic; you are just dispersing them more. When the secondary containment of F.D. reactor 3 exploded three days into the incident its spent fuel (waste) pond was pulverized and the contents were scattered for many kilometers around the plant. At that point the incident was in Chernobyl category 7 territory, but the authorities were afraid to panic rescue workers away from the region. Oops... I Agree With Dave : It's Dangerous & It's Deadly and The Ostrich Act Won't Make It Go Away *. *.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I could say the same thing to you about SO MANY things. Tell ya what - get out some real numbers and real math, because that's what I deal in, and then we can talk. |
"America Tonight" -host- Kate Delaney Talking About JapaneseRadioactive Toxic Polluters Buy-Out
On Apr 15, 4:19*am, RHF wrote:
On Apr 15, 3:55*am, "Burr" wrote: - Japan nuclear plant owner must pay $600M "America Tonight" -host- Kate Delaney is talkinghttp://www.gcnlive.com/programs/americaTonight/ about that right now $12K per Family ain't nothing for being forced our of Home, Job, Work, School and the Town/City you Live and Grew-up in... * "America Tonight" -host- Kate Delaneyhttp://www.americatonight.net/ * "America Tonight" : Radio Stationshttp://www.gcnlive.com/programs/americaTonight/affiliateList.pdf Just how does $600M or $600B or $600T adequately compensate the 12~36 Million Japanese who will be displaced by this Nuclear Contaminated Radiative Zone that will make the take-up the Northern 1/3rd of Honshu Island the Main Japanese Home Island will be a No Man's Land [Uninhabitable] within a Decadehttp://ahoy.tk-jk.net/MoreImages/MapJapan.jpg *. First Japan Coastal Waters and Then Complete and Total Global Contamination Ocean Waters with Toxic Radioactive Within Five Yearshttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/bbbf78052cf964f8 *. Criminal Japanese Radioactive Toxic Polluters of All the World's Ocean Waters : Global Radioactive-Rainhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/6c555871d73da57a *. *. Some number of money will, in fact, provide compensation. However, to the Earth, no amount will ever be enough...and that's true everywhere it happens. |
(OT) : Criminal Japanese Radioactive Toxic Polluters of All the
On 04/15/2011 11:20 AM, bpnjensen wrote:
Surface cracking is localized. It is not the actual fault opening up. EQs occur a mile or more below the surface. Correct, but you may want to come up to the Bay Area and see what has happened at Point Reyes, Los Trancos and elsewhere. It may be surface cracking, but the ground does open up, and the two sides exhibit significant displacement in three dimensions. Whether it is the actual fault is immaterial - it will disassemble structures. I'm sure you guys have examples in SoCal, and there are some seriously spectacular scarps in Nevada and down near Carrizo Plain, if I'm not mistaken. http://www.cnsm.csulb.edu/department...edroFeb06L.jpg |
(OT) : Criminal Japanese Radioactive Toxic Polluters of All the
On Apr 15, 2:20*pm, bpnjensen wrote:
On Apr 15, 6:25*am, dave wrote: On 04/14/2011 03:04 PM, bpnjensen wrote: Being in a seismically active area is not quite the same as being on a fault line. *Fault rupture is, at any given time, a more serious issue to local buildings than the ensuing ground shaking - it will break your structure in two; but if you are not on a fault line, then shaking is your key problem if you are not in danger of a landslide, tsunami or liquefaction. *A building can be built to withstand almost any foreseeable level of shake. Surface cracking is localized. It is not the actual fault opening up. EQs occur a mile or more below the surface. Correct, but you may want to come up to the Bay Area and see what has happened at Point Reyes, Los Trancos and elsewhere. *It may be surface cracking, but the ground does open up, and the two sides exhibit significant displacement in three dimensions. *Whether it is the actual fault is immaterial - it will disassemble structures. *I'm sure you guys have examples in SoCal, and there are some seriously spectacular scarps in Nevada and down near Carrizo Plain, if I'm not mistaken. Absolutely and positively : True . Entire villages/settlements are known to have disappeared during such seismic activity . No structure is safe under these extreme conditions . |
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