On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:32:16 -0700, John Smith
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On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:


"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
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On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith wrote:

I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can still
bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!

He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!

It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.

koresh was frequently in town and away from the compound on business.
Slipping set a of cuffs on him and taking him to court would have been a
LOT cheaper on tax payers.

Absolutely. Heads should have rolled over that.

Personally, I think much more money is owed
in resitution to the victims families and surviving victims. Criminals
are usually loathe to own up to their debts and crimes ...

I don't think the events were any different than those which were planed
for public servants working in someones, or some groups best interests.

Whatever koresh had, or had not done will always remain a mystery

Hardly. His surviving followers are quite open about their time with
Koresh.

, our
public servants crimes forever before the people.

Regards,
JS

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:17:05 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 1:07 PM, raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 12:37:54 -0700, John
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 12:26 PM, raven1 wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:41:49 -0700, John
wrote:

It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.

We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.

The accusers, one should note, are the surviving Branch Davidians.


Yeah, why would they ever hesitate about telling the truth, after
watching 78 of them mass murdered by the government ...

Or by their deranged cult leader, whose preaching focused on an
immanent Apocalypse.


Preaching bull**** is no crime.

Of course it isn't. Just curious, though: you don't see a connection
here between Koresh's Apocalyptic preaching, and what his followers
say were his actions at the end of the siege?

Murdering people is. I know this might
be shocking to people who would have us do away with free speech.

Who advocated doing away with free speech?

I think all here
can see the validity of your insane text ... I didn't ignore it the
first time, I just could not believe you wanted me to respond to your
insane remark and embarrass you ...

The only person you are in a position to embarass is yourself, by
spouting this crackpot revisionist history.


The same was being said at the very time the Waco massacres were going
on ... a search on the way back engine should produce ample evidence of
this.

Sorry, but the only massacre perpetrated was by David Koresh against
his own followers.

The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
escape, alive!

Why not?


Why do governments worldwide slaughter their own citizens ... or, have
you even noticed it going on?

They normally have readily apparent reasons, whether justified or not.
What was the purported motive here?


Really?

Yes, really.

Sick psychotic murders frequently baffle even the most astute
psychiatrists as to their motives ... often you find these sickos as
dictators of nations ...

IOW, you can't provide any sort of motive for the purported actions of
the Government, yet somehow it's them, and not a classic loon like
Koresh, who perpetrated the massacre.

Yeah, that's credible.

I am sure the government will throw open all their records to you
though, if you ask nicely, they don't hide anything, do they? Why don't
you ask them and get back to us here?

IOW, you can't actually provide a credible motive. Nice unintentional
admission.


Random senseless murders are done for many reasons, some easy to scam up
a motive for, some not ... just the sheer show of force and being able
to get away with the mass murder helps the government subdue the
populations girly-men and powder-puff-bull-dykes. Not to mention that
unstable personalities enjoy murder for the sake of sheer murder ... if
you are powerful in government, you have henchmen do it for you, as
sadam and his sones, and libyas' ruler are accused of ... for recent
examples. These sickos find positions in our government just as good as
a platform as foreign governments.

Wow. Paranoid much?

We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
interests ...

Who did you have in mind?

President on down to local officials ...

No, whose interests do you think they are serving? The Illuminati? The
Freemasons? The Trilateral Commission? That old standby, the Jews?
Please, enlighten everyone.

Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!

Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up he you're
positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).

Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?

On 4/25/2011 2:11 PM, raven1 wrote:

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Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!

Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up he you're
positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).

Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?


Really?

To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...

Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.

Regards,
JS

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
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"Fergo" wrote in
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
wrote in message
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On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith wrote:

I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can
still bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!

He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!

It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest
could have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and
attempted to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.




Far from the Davidians being "trapped" in the
compound they could leave any time. In fact that
is why there are survivors. They are the ones
just walked out, unharmed.


Yep and because Koresh could have sent those children away he is just as at
fault as the FBI were.


FRIDAY, MARCH 19:
Two Davidians, Brad BRANCH and Kevin WHITECLIFF, come
out of the compound.

SATURDAY, MARCH 20:
Another Davidian, Rita RIDDLE, comes out of the compound.

SUNDAY, MARCH 21:
At 12:15 a.m., two more women, Victorine HOLLINGSWORTH and
Annetta RICHARDS, exit the compound. Rita RIDDLE, Gladys
OTTMAN, Sheila MARTIN, James LAWTON, and Ofelia SANTOYA
come out.

TUESDAY, MARCH 23:
At 10:05 a.m., Livingstone FAGAN leaves the compound


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...timeline3.html

"John Smith" wrote in message
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On 4/25/2011 1:23 AM, Fergo wrote:


"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are DEADLY PSYCHOPATHS"
wrote in message
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On Apr 21, 8:02 pm, John Smith wrote:

I am in agreement there, only difference, regan is dead, we can still
bring clinton to justice before he dies and gets away!

He burned alive 85 americans including 30 kids and not a damn thing
was done to him and our useless corporate media supported himi!!!

It's David Koresh who allowed 21 of those people to die. The rest could
have left at any time. Also David Koresh abused children and attempted
to rape one. He split up families, he was a cult leader.

We didn't miss that point. It is MUCH easier to accuse dead men of
crimes, they simply can't represent themselves in court and most charges
and trumped up evidence will stick to men in a coffin.

The government, when it went in, had no intention of letting koresh
escape, alive!

We have nothing to fear but our own public servants serving others
interests ...

Rubbish, he could have let them arrest him on day 1 and none of the deaths
would have happened. Instead he let his brainwashed followers of the cult
die.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:15:37 -0700, John Smith
wrote:

On 4/25/2011 2:11 PM, raven1 wrote:

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Money and power, the more the better ... DUH!

Non-responsive answer duly noted. So, let's sum it up he you're
positing a Government conspiracy to murder innocent people for no
discernable motive other than to further the unspecified interests of
vague, unnamed rich people. The cult leader is a deranged loon who
preaches an immanent apocalypse, but it's the Government, not him, who
immolated him and his followers (again, for no discernable reason).

Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?


Really?

Yes, actually.

To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...

And you think which was the motive here?

Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.

Regards,
JS

On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:12:55 -0700, John Smith
wrote:


The court hearing(s) and trials on all this are nothing short of
criminal, a sham, a joke ... I am sorry, I find any testimony given by
the victimized surviors of no value,

I'm sorry you discount the testimony of people who were actually there
for the speculation of people who weren't.

besides having gone though the
horror of watching their friends and family murdered, I can only guess
at what threats and/or monetary "compensations" have been offered, by
the criminals.

That's the first problem with conspiracy theories: they're typically
long on guesses, and short on actual evidence...

I am afraid we must agree to disagree on what is real, possible,
probable and truth ...

....and that's the second problem: way too often, conspiracy theorists
don't seem to recognize much of a disticntion between "possible",
"probable", and "true".


The bulldozing and destruction of the crime scene, immediately after, is
something which would bring normal criminals under high scrutiny.

I said what I meant, koresh and the intentions of the davidians will
always be under a shroud of mystery -- our public servants illegal use
of the military and their crimes are simply a matter of record.

Regards,
JS

http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?...c o+massacre?

About two something weeks ago, somebody at
http://www.libertypost.org
said Hillary Clinton made the decision.

If the feds wanted to arrest David Koresh, why didn't they do it when he
went to town? They were there.They easily could have arrested him right
there and then.
cuhulin

On 4/25/2011 11:37 PM, fergo wrote:

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Yep and because Koresh could have sent those children away he is just as
at fault as the FBI were.
...

Only an absolute fool would make a moronic statement like that, stop
drinking the water.

koresh was qualified to set up a commune and a rebel adventist church.

I expect much out of my public servant in the presidents office and who
he/she appoints. I expect more of my military, they know better. I
expect more of my sheriff and police, etc.

And, any fool who misses those importances' need to take up residence in
a 3rd world country ...

Regards,
JS

On 4/26/2011 6:58 AM, raven1 wrote:

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Do you wonder why most people regard Conspiracy Theorists as nuts?


Really?

Yes, actually.

To tell you the truth, the motives behind any crime I have ever seen in
life is/are drugs, money, power, wealth and rock and roll ...

And you think which was the motive here?

Criminals can keep coming up with a range of bizarre "motives", I find
this humorous ... but sad.

Regards,
JS

The facts and data surrounding Waco only prepared us for the future crimes.

The next false flag operation may enslave us, or set of a real
revolution. It only depends if enough know what has been going on.

A single video, waco rules of engagement, pushes Waco far above a simple
conspiracy!

Regards,
JS