RHF wrote:

On Aug 15, 9:38*am, dave wrote:
MNMikew wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
m...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0C4lhE6bg

death to hackers!

- Why? If we can't get Constitutionally
- mandated transparency

Hello M4 Mania Dave where in the US Constitution
does it Mandate Transparency by the US Government ?


The First Amendment guarantees the people a right to know via their
proxy, the working press.

On Aug 16, 6:02*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:
On Aug 15, 9:38*am, dave wrote:
MNMikew wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
m...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG0C4lhE6bg

death to hackers!

- Why? If we can't get Constitutionally
- mandated transparency

- - Hello M4 Mania Dave where in the US
- - Constitution does it Mandate Transparency
- - by the US Government ?

- The First Amendment guarantees the people
- a right to know via their proxy, the
- working press.

M4 Mania Dave -wrt- The First Amendment :
Maybe you should actually Read It -versus-
Making It Up As You Go Along . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/
First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

FYI - M4 Mania Dave Your Logic is Not Only
Flawed : It's Out Right Absurd !

Again M4 Mania Dave where in the US Constitution
does it Mandate Transparency by the US Government ?

Freedom of the Press Yes/Si/Qui !
-but- Transparency No/Nada/Zilch !

RHF wrote:



This is Not about a Daniel Ellsberg DoD Insider
who Leaked Information that he had Access-To
-aka- Whistle Blowing

Like Bradley Manning?

RHF wrote:

This is Not about a Daniel Ellsberg DoD Insider
who Leaked Information that he had Access-To
-aka- Whistle Blowing

-this-is-about-illegal-hacking-:-b&e-
'Hacking' is Electronic Breaking & Entering [B&E]
-and- A Violation of Privacy & Civil Rights Too !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...016da5b4a2a514

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers_Case

(entirely about hacking, '70s style)

dave wrote:

RHF wrote:

This is Not about a Daniel Ellsberg DoD Insider
who Leaked Information that he had Access-To
-aka- Whistle Blowing

-this-is-about-illegal-hacking-:-b&e-
'Hacking' is Electronic Breaking & Entering [B&E]
-and- A Violation of Privacy & Civil Rights Too !
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...016da5b4a2a514

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers_Case

(entirely about hacking, '70s style)

Concurring opinions

Justice Hugo Black wrote an opinion that elaborated on his view of the absolute superiority of the First Amendment. He was against any interference with freedom of expression and largely found the content and source of the documents to be immaterial.[4] Justice William O. Douglas largely concurred with Black, arguing that the need for a free press as a check on government prevents any governmental restraint on the press.[5]

Justice William J. Brennan, Jr. wrote separately to explain that the publication of the documents did not qualify as one of the three exceptions to the freedom of expression established in Near v. Minnesota (1931).[6]

Justice Potter Stewart and Justice Byron R. White agreed that it is the responsibility of the Executive to ensure national security through the protection of its information. However, in areas of national defense and international affairs, the President of United States possesses great constitutional independence that is virtually unchecked by the Legislative and Judicial branch. "In absence of governmental checks and balances", per Justice Stewart, "the only effective restraint upon executive policy and power in [these two areas] may lie in an enlightened citizenry - in an informed and critical public opinion which alone can here protect the values of democratic government."[7]

Justice Thurgood Marshall argued that the term "national security" was
too broad to legitimize prior restraint, and also argued that it is not
the Court¢s job to create laws where the Congress had not spoken.[8]

On Aug 18, 5:58*am, dave wrote:
RHF wrote:

- - This is Not about a Daniel Ellsberg DoD Insider
- - who Leaked Information that he had Access-To
- - -aka- Whistle Blowing
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...ace3be09fdaa48
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b0a87e8a670d40
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...016da5b4a2a514

- Like Bradley Manning?

Hopefully the Obama-Regime did not totally
screw-up with the Bradley Manning Investigation;
like the Nixon-Regime did with the Daniel Ellsberg
Investigation and give Ellsberg a Get-Out-of-Jail
FREE Card.