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Faulty Chinese generators....
I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. This is the reason why the starter wouldn't crank the engine over: http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-2.jpg I'm lucky the broken piece didn't get caught in the flywheel ring gear. This is from the socket set I used to remove the battery terminal lug nuts with. http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-3.jpg Care to guess where they were made? This particular model of Launtop generator is sold under dozens of different names. There has been a recall on them. They have counterfeit ISO 2001, CE and Canadian Standards Association (like UL) decals on them. The breakers are also improperly marked. The Canadian Standards people are doing NOTHING to help me, despite the fraudulent use of their Trademarked logo. Launtop is also doing nothing. Red maple seems to be conveniently out of business. http://tinyurl.com/6zrfft Don't buy Chinese. mike -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOqgXUAAoJECGtZwCbtgwX2PEIAKnCb+0CCf RALLpzoV+/bwr/ DznbzfrTDdx6GqAe4iEIobvQZoUY6yyVmbVnItY3WQqDfTj0pK W6Ak5RvgGnVigN NnWLkFk0q3ggpI4Vth9j/ZBdOLF5G1rJWDCJUiInea/EVeR1Fw5lAuCjGSJkBpEN T9nFaVbdnvk0pFINy6qmUIZxFIoTwivF9MO6m5fvuSd3eyj0eF jQr6axiNXAKUI4 m1E8KLIbGoRmJsaU7Yov0Y2PaR8GxxS6OborxBn9PtGJJTqJhW 6FYbziRZMwaKlh N+S2j+skR0Jku3wvUDHetRAHEwj4z1cvaAQjLYuw9LUnCBfc9g CkjuUGV8sT3pc= =Z38J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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On 10/27/2011 6:30 PM, m II wrote:
I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. This is the reason why the starter wouldn't crank the engine over: http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-2.jpg I'm lucky the broken piece didn't get caught in the flywheel ring gear. This is from the socket set I used to remove the battery terminal lug nuts with. http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-3.jpg Care to guess where they were made? This particular model of Launtop generator is sold under dozens of different names. There has been a recall on them. They have counterfeit ISO 2001, CE and Canadian Standards Association (like UL) decals on them. The breakers are also improperly marked. The Canadian Standards people are doing NOTHING to help me, despite the fraudulent use of their Trademarked logo. Launtop is also doing nothing. Red maple seems to be conveniently out of business. http://tinyurl.com/6zrfft Don't buy Chinese. mike The evil is a bit more hidden that what you see there, on the surface. Planned obsolescence causes you to purchase new items to replace the old. The costs in resources, energy, oil, creation of pollution/toxins, dumps fill with obnoxious wastes, etc. is slowly poisoning not only all of us, but the whole planet. The impetus should be placed on strong, durable, long lasting products, if possible, possessions which will last a lifetime, or even be handed down. The benefits in cost, heath and happiness would be astounding ... Instead, we are a bunch of "moronic consumers." Trained to buy products which wear our quickly, so we will consume more ... etc., the cycle is a very vicious one. Not only depriving us of wealth and happiness, but even our health and life. To turn this absurdity of "consumerism" around, at this point, looks like a monumental task bordering on the line of impossible! Indeed, laws are constructed to aid in the filling of dumps, and for questionable reasons and refusal to debate other alternatives ... Regards, JS |
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On Oct 27, 8:30*pm, m II wrote:
I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. Don't buy Chinese. mike Watch your local newspapers this winter and note the incredible number of house fires that will be occurring courtesy of Chinese made space heaters. There has been a record number of winter house fires across the USA the past decade. A phenomenon undoubtedly linked to the horrendous quality of the made in commie China junk being imported into this nation. It is truly criminal. It wasn't that long ago that the Chinese were caught counterfeiting the Underwriters Laboratory stamp of approval and putting on the junk they imported to the USA. Thanks to the criminals in D.C. we can't buy Cuban cigars or sugar but Red China destroying our economy and killing our citizens (and pets via poison pet foods) isn't a problem. |
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I have a bunch of old, old, old electric space heaters.I don't use them
though, instead of using them, I bought two Lasko quartz space heaters at the Lowe's store.They work OK. cuhulin |
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Counterfeit UL Labels from China http://www.mysaline.com/forum/topics...ul-labels-from
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Faulty Chinese generators....
[.........] The evil is a bit more hidden that what you see there, on the surface. Planned obsolescence causes you to purchase new items to replace the old. The costs in resources, energy, oil, creation of pollution/toxins, dumps fill with obnoxious wastes, etc. is slowly poisoning not only all of us, but the whole planet. The impetus should be placed on strong, durable, long lasting products, if possible, possessions which will last a lifetime, or even be handed down. The benefits in cost, heath and happiness would be astounding ... Instead, we are a bunch of "moronic consumers." Trained to buy products which wear our quickly, so we will consume more ... etc., the cycle is a very vicious one. Not only depriving us of wealth and happiness, but even our health and life. To turn this absurdity of "consumerism" around, at this point, looks like a monumental task bordering on the line of impossible! Indeed, laws are constructed to aid in the filling of dumps, and for questionable reasons and refusal to debate other alternatives ... Regards, JS It was hard rubbish collection time in our suburb this week. The verges were lined with working TVs - everyone has upgraded to cheap LCD/Plasma. The other things that stuck out were hooded BBQ's. Almost every third or fourth house had one out the front. Cheap chinese crap rusting away, most only a year or two old. At between $200 and $400 each its a disgusting waste of money & resources. |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT), the renowned Truth Teller
wrote: Counterfeit UL Labels from China http://www.mysaline.com/forum/topics...ul-labels-from I believe that most of the time the buyers are aware that there is something fishy and look the other way. Very good quality terminal blocks from China with tracable cUL and VDE approvals are X CNY, less good ones without approvals are X/2.5. What kind of irresponsible buyer fails to check the certification number with CSA/UL/ETL or fails to schedule a pre-shipment inspection at the factory? The added cost is a small percentage of even a small shipment of a container load or two. I've heard some of these jokers (last week, as it happens) say that the product "must have UL _markings_". That's all they care about, and the factory must comply or they lose the order. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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On 10/27/2011 11:26 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT), the renowned Truth Teller wrote: Counterfeit UL Labels from China http://www.mysaline.com/forum/topics...ul-labels-from I believe that most of the time the buyers are aware that there is something fishy and look the other way. Very good quality terminal blocks from China with tracable cUL and VDE approvals are X CNY, less good ones without approvals are X/2.5. What kind of irresponsible buyer fails to check the certification number with CSA/UL/ETL or fails to schedule a pre-shipment inspection at the factory? The added cost is a small percentage of even a small shipment of a container load or two. I've heard some of these jokers (last week, as it happens) say that the product "must have UL _markings_". That's all they care about, and the factory must comply or they lose the order. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany This is the first I heard of fake UL stickers. By buyer, you mean the store and not the customer. Well, I hope that is what you mean. The customer sees the UL label and just assumes it is legit. Occasionally I will get cheap ass stuff from Harbor Freight, but I refuse to buy anything from them that plugs into the mains. I was in the store once when a guy was returning a sawzall that caught fire. Getting back to generators, a Yamaha costs about 3x the Chinese junk. I can see why people buy Chinese, but I'd sure hate to have to depend on the Chinese item working when I need it. |
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I'm buying old electrical products from 2nd hand stores now. I got an
old 1940's Kirby all metal vacuum which still runs great! Got several old 1960's phones which work when the power goes out. Got an old 1950's sewing machine - all metal. Etc. And I have the money to buy brand new. I have bought brand new and the things don't last but a month sometimes! I'm fed up, so back to old for me... |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:49:09 -0700, the renowned miso
wrote: On 10/27/2011 11:26 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT), the renowned Truth Teller wrote: Counterfeit UL Labels from China http://www.mysaline.com/forum/topics...ul-labels-from I believe that most of the time the buyers are aware that there is something fishy and look the other way. Very good quality terminal blocks from China with tracable cUL and VDE approvals are X CNY, less good ones without approvals are X/2.5. What kind of irresponsible buyer fails to check the certification number with CSA/UL/ETL or fails to schedule a pre-shipment inspection at the factory? The added cost is a small percentage of even a small shipment of a container load or two. I've heard some of these jokers (last week, as it happens) say that the product "must have UL _markings_". That's all they care about, and the factory must comply or they lose the order. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany This is the first I heard of fake UL stickers. Unfortunately, I can't say the same. I was tempted to buy a big roll of green RoHS or CE stickers to stick all over the place, but.. By buyer, you mean the store and not the customer. Yes, of course- the professional buyers for the store or the wholesaler or the importer. The end purchaser should be able to trust the store (and steer clear if it's a guy selling from the back of a truck or whatever). Well, I hope that is what you mean. The customer sees the UL label and just assumes it is legit. Occasionally I will get cheap ass stuff from Harbor Freight, but I refuse to buy anything from them that plugs into the mains. I was in the store once when a guy was returning a sawzall that caught fire. I bought some metal power bars recently (about 4' long) that looked pretty decent, but I don't usually buy their electric power tools. Their air tools seem decent. The power bars are marked with the factory name and their model number, but interestingly the model I have (EM1201) is not listed in the ETL/Intertek database, but the similar EM1201M is.. and Harbor Fright seems to have discontinued the product. As it's all metal I'm not particularly worried- unless the sockets pull out, it can't do much that's bad. Getting back to generators, a Yamaha costs about 3x the Chinese junk. I can see why people buy Chinese, but I'd sure hate to have to depend on the Chinese item working when I need it. There's good and bad- the worst stuff is pretty bad. You don't hear about the AC adapters made for Dell or Apple causing much trouble, despite enormous quantities and cutthroat cheap prices. There are several basic kinds of factories in China- from wholly owned foreign ones to joint ventures, to state companies, to local firms. Unless they have some history of supplying picky customers (especially European and Japanese exports) the lower end ones can be pretty dodgy.. many, many concentrate on the large and (so far) less discriminating domestic market. There are probably as many as 1,000 factories making generators, for example, certainly in the hundreds. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
Faulty Chinese generators....
On a sunny day (Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:30:46 -0600) it happened m II
wrote in : This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. There was a warning a couple of years ago about Chinese rubber. This had to do with Chinese scooters, the rubbers seem to fall apart after a year and you can throw the whole thing away. You want Taiwan. I had Chinese rubber bands that just fell apart after some weeks. Bought from a respectable place (Albert Heijn here). So stay clear of anything that has Chinese rubbers in it. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. The cheap 3 dollar 4 some cents Chinese multimeters I bough have also great lead free soldering, note how the shunt is soldered: I do no cry easily, but you must have read in the news that Bangkok flooded: http://panteltje.com/pub/3_dollar_me...l_img_3160.jpg This is the reason why the starter wouldn't crank the engine over: http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-2.jpg oops I'm lucky the broken piece didn't get caught in the flywheel ring gear. This is from the socket set I used to remove the battery terminal lug nuts with. http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-3.jpg There are a lot of very cheap tool sets around made of steel 10 (if that exists). Care to guess where they were made? This particular model of Launtop generator is sold under dozens of different names. There has been a recall on them. They have counterfeit ISO 2001, CE and Canadian Standards Association (like UL) decals on them.= The breakers are also improperly marked. The Canadian Standards people are doing NOTHING to help me, despite the fraudulent use of their Trademarked logo. Launtop is also doing nothing. Red maple seems to be conveniently out of business. http://tinyurl.com/6zrfft Don't buy Chinese. Generalisation is a very dangerous thing. They have good stuff too. Lots of it. Inform yourself before you buy, google will tell you how the situation is for a particular product. If you did not type the product name and something like 'review' or 'problem' or 'experience' in google, then you were gambling. The same goes for any country, or product. My opinion of my Samsung 3D TV is there as a warning on my site for anybody for example. And that is not Chinese. Sometimes you learn the hard way. And, for that money you got to accept some things sometimes too, especially if it can be easily fixed, as with that cheap meter, |
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miso wrote:
On 10/27/2011 11:26 PM, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT), the renowned Truth Teller wrote: Counterfeit UL Labels from China http://www.mysaline.com/forum/topics...ul-labels-from I believe that most of the time the buyers are aware that there is something fishy and look the other way. Very good quality terminal blocks from China with tracable cUL and VDE approvals are X CNY, less good ones without approvals are X/2.5. What kind of irresponsible buyer fails to check the certification number with CSA/UL/ETL or fails to schedule a pre-shipment inspection at the factory? The added cost is a small percentage of even a small shipment of a container load or two. I've heard some of these jokers (last week, as it happens) say that the product "must have UL _markings_". That's all they care about, and the factory must comply or they lose the order. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany This is the first I heard of fake UL stickers. By buyer, you mean the store and not the customer. Well, I hope that is what you mean. The customer sees the UL label and just assumes it is legit. Occasionally I will get cheap ass stuff from Harbor Freight, but I refuse to buy anything from them that plugs into the mains. I was in the store once when a guy was returning a sawzall that caught fire. Getting back to generators, a Yamaha costs about 3x the Chinese junk. I can see why people buy Chinese, but I'd sure hate to have to depend on the Chinese item working when I need it. The most interesting fact is that everything is made in China these days. That Yamaha generator is also made in China but Yamaha is probably on top of quality control. The same generators are probably sold under many different brands with lesser components. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) -------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On 10/27/2011 9:30 PM, m II wrote:
I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. Do you want "cheap" or do you want "good"? Pick ONE. |
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On 10/27/11 20:30 , m II wrote:
I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. Yeah, I had a generator, this summer, throw a rod through the garage wall. The finest Chinese machine work you'd ever like to see punch a hole in a building. Went with a Generac from Whitewater, Wisconsin. |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:23:22 -0700, "Bill"
wrote: I'm buying old electrical products from 2nd hand stores now. I got an old 1940's Kirby all metal vacuum which still runs great! Got several old 1960's phones which work when the power goes out. Got an old 1950's sewing machine - all metal. Etc. And I have the money to buy brand new. I have bought brand new and the things don't last but a month sometimes! I'm fed up, so back to old for me... Be careful. Longevity is one thing, but safety standards were not nearly as high in the old days-- both insulation safety standards and inclusion of things like approved thermal cutoffs. There used to be hundreds of people dying every year from fires caused by televisions, and I've been shocked a few times by the old metal power tools that developed internal shorts. Some old TVs and radios were "hot" chassis. |
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On Oct 28, 5:39*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote:
On 10/27/11 20:30 , m II wrote: I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. * *Yeah, I had a generator, this summer, throw a rod through the garage wall. The finest Chinese machine work you'd ever like to see punch a hole in a building. * *Went with a Generac from Whitewater, Wisconsin.- The same company who made the generator that failed after 5 months. They won't honor the two years warrenty because i am over-using it (200 hours). It's a standby generator, i am not suppose to use it, stupid. By the way, should I sue a WI company in Federal court? I don't think they registered in CA. |
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On 10/28/11 10:15 , linnix wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:39 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 10/27/11 20:30 , m II wrote: I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. Yeah, I had a generator, this summer, throw a rod through the garage wall. The finest Chinese machine work you'd ever like to see punch a hole in a building. Went with a Generac from Whitewater, Wisconsin.- The same company who made the generator that failed after 5 months. They won't honor the two years warrenty because i am over-using it (200 hours). It's a standby generator, i am not suppose to use it, stupid. Mine is a continuous service generator. So, it's built to a different standard. A standby is a different animal. That said, you don't really get to pick when your power is out. That distinction may be due for a revision. |
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On 10/28/11 10:39 , linnix wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:37 am, D Peter wrote: On 10/28/11 10:23 , linnix wrote: On Oct 28, 8:19 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 10/28/11 10:15 , linnix wrote: On Oct 28, 5:39 am, "D. Peter wrote: On 10/27/11 20:30 , m II wrote: I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. Yeah, I had a generator, this summer, throw a rod through the garage wall. The finest Chinese machine work you'd ever like to see punch a hole in a building. Went with a Generac from Whitewater, Wisconsin.- The same company who made the generator that failed after 5 months. They won't honor the two years warrenty because i am over-using it (200 hours). It's a standby generator, i am not suppose to use it, stupid. Mine is a continuous service generator. So, it's built to a different standard. A standby is a different animal. That said, you don't really get to pick when your power is out. That distinction may be due for a revision But failed after 200 hours? That's less than two weeks of use. True. Depending on maintenance, that should be a brisk walk for this kind of product. Regardless of build. How often did you change the oil? They says every 200 hours. I didn't know they mean changing the machine every 200 hours. Some generators are made for intermittent service, only. A few hours on, many hours off. Too many hours on and metal fatigue sets in. This is to accomodate a price point. You may have, indeed, overrun the machine's ability to serve in a continuous stretch. And did you do a break-in change? Yes. The rotor lock up, perhaps by the starter. |
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:59:01 -0700, John Smith
wrote: On 10/27/2011 6:30 PM, m II wrote: [snip] The evil is a bit more hidden that what you see there, on the surface. Planned obsolescence causes you to purchase new items to replace the old. The costs in resources, energy, oil, creation of pollution/toxins, dumps fill with obnoxious wastes, etc. is slowly poisoning not only all of us, but the whole planet. The impetus should be placed on strong, durable, long lasting products, if possible, possessions which will last a lifetime, or even be handed down. The benefits in cost, heath and happiness would be astounding ... Such as the Craftsman riding mower that I bought used several years ago. Made in USA. Powered by Briggs & Stratton. Used weekly about 6-7 months out of the year. I have replaced the blades a couple of times and the battery about a year ago. Otherwise, maintenance is changing oil and filters, sharpening blades, new spark plug yearly. I have a spare set of belts (drive and blades) but haven't yet needed to replace either of them. I also have a Craftsman self-propelled walk-behind that's probably 10+ years old. I replaced part of the drive mechanism several years ago. Maintenance is changing oil, replacing air filter, replacing drive belt, sharpening blade, new spark plug yearly. Instead, we are a bunch of "moronic consumers." Trained to buy products which wear our quickly, so we will consume more ... etc., the cycle is a very vicious one. Not only depriving us of wealth and happiness, but even our health and life. To turn this absurdity of "consumerism" around, at this point, looks like a monumental task bordering on the line of impossible! It's all about who can make the widget cheapest and sell it for less. WaMart wants suppliers to give them better prices each year to keep their product(s) in the WalMart stores. For one-time-use things, cheapest may be most economical, such as a drop cloth over an old bookcase while painting a room - if some minimum level of protection is adequate, the under $2 drop cloth may be fine. For covering funriture being moved in the back of a pickup, I'll opt for something sturdier- the cheapest possible covering will NOT survive the trip. There are also the "new" gadgets that people don't know are old ideas resurrected. Example: the Subaru ad touting their "hill holder" - take your foot off the brake and the car won't roll back while the clutch is in. The hill holder was introduced on the 1936 Studebaker, so it's most defintely NOT new. Indeed, laws are constructed to aid in the filling of dumps, and for questionable reasons and refusal to debate other alternatives ... Regards, JS |
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"linnix" wrote in message ... Why didn't you buy a Honda generator? Do they have NG generator? Links? I will need a replacement. Not that I know of, but there are options: 1) This company will sell you a conversion kit: http://www.propane-generators.com/honda-generators.htm . If you don't feel like taking on that project, they will sell you a brand new already-converted Yamaha unit with a factory warranty. I love Honda generators, but think that Yamaha generators are at least as good as Honda. My little bit of experience with that company has been good. 2) A Google search will find companies that who sell you a Honda-POWERED natural gas generator. Caveat emptor. Vaughn |
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m II wrote:
I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. designed in the western hemisphere, made in china ... who asked low price stuff? -- -- What's on Shortwave guide: choose an hour, go! http://shortwave.tk 700+ Radio Stations on SW http://swstations.tk 300+ languages on SW http://radiolanguages.tk |
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"linnix" wrote in message ... On Oct 28, 10:58 am, Spehro Pefhany But i want to run on NG. I paid $1700 for the Generac 8KW. Are there conversion kits for NG? http://www.propane-generators.com/honda-generators.htm Vaughn |
Linnix vs. Generac
On Oct 29, 1:12*am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 28, 10:58*am, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:37:50 -0700 (PDT), linnix wrote: On Oct 27, 6:30*pm, m II wrote: I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. This is the reason why the starter wouldn't crank the engine over: http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-2.jpg I'm lucky the broken piece didn't get caught in the flywheel ring gear. This is from the socket set I used to remove the battery terminal lug nuts with. http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-3.jpg Care to guess where they were made? This particular model of Launtop generator is sold under dozens of different names. There has been a recall on them. They have counterfeit ISO 2001, CE and Canadian Standards Association (like UL) decals on them. The breakers are also improperly marked. The Canadian Standards people are doing NOTHING to help me, despite the fraudulent use of their Trademarked logo. Launtop is also doing nothing. Red maple seems to be conveniently out of business. http://tinyurl.com/6zrfft Don't buy Chinese. or American Sound like the same problem with my WI made GenXXX standby generator. I haven't open it up yet, The rotor lock up, perhaps by the starter. Where are the Germans and Japaneses? Honda is pretty good, but you're going to pay more. A good Honda 4000W generator is maybe $2,200 vs. Harbor Fright's $339 for 3500W and $499 for 5,500W. "Sportsman" has a 4000W one for $329. Residential Standby Generators Rated 200 AMP Whole House They are Generac reseller. These are for standby only. Don't ever try to use them, stupid (customers). Funny math and science: Greek: 50% default is not a default. We can cut another 50% of the remaining debts, and do it again and again, etc. French: China will give us 100B, we can increase it with deflector shields and reflective multipler by 100x. It's not smoke and mirror. World debt problems are over. Germany: We can pull in several more China from other Universes. Problem solved. Generac: There are less than 200 hours in a two-years (730 days) warranty. |
Linnix vs. Generac
You already have a walk behind lawn mower, don't you? Rig a V belt
pulley on the engine shaft and a piece of angle iron to mount a junk yard alternator, one or two 12 Volt batteries and an Inverter.You can have 12 Volt D C power and 115 Volts A C power.Some walk behind lawn mowers have a 6.5 horsepower engine.I have one, actually I have two walk behind lawn mowers.That damn ethanol gas screwed one of them up, I will fix it someday.Winter time is a good time to check the pawn shops for a good used walk behind lawn mower. cuhulin |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:15:01 -0700 (PDT), linnix
wrote: On Oct 28, 5:39*am, "D. Peter Maus" wrote: On 10/27/11 20:30 , m II wrote: I've had it with Chinese garbage. The amount of trash they produce each year staggers the imagination. What's even more amazing is that we continue to buy it. 'Customer' is quickly becoming synonymous with 'Stupid'. This is the starter solenoid from a 5kw Chinese diesel generator (Launtop powered): http://www.scotiabunk.com/Quality/small-1.jpg The machine has two hours TOTAL running time. Note the quality rubber boot. Also note the soldered connections. Those are the solenoid winding terminations. You can NOT get at the contacts until you de-solder the wires. I learned that when I had to clean the non-conducting starter contacts on another, similar, Launtop machine. * *Yeah, I had a generator, this summer, throw a rod through the garage wall. The finest Chinese machine work you'd ever like to see punch a hole in a building. * *Went with a Generac from Whitewater, Wisconsin.- The same company who made the generator that failed after 5 months. They won't honor the two years warrenty because i am over-using it (200 hours). It's a standby generator, i am not suppose to use it, stupid. That's nothing.. I had a friend two blocks over.. newly installed Generac standby. (propane).. throw a rod after operating for a just few hours during Hurricane Wilma. It took them 8 days to get a replacement motor. (their power was out for ~16 days).. Meanwhile, My 2200 RPM 2.5Kw Diesel.. ran for 10(5 in am, 5 in pm) hours a day for 13 days, no problem, finally used up most of my 6 year old diesel fuel(~18 gallons). By the way, should I sue a WI company in Federal court? I don't think they registered in CA. |
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Dennis expounded in
: Planned obsolescence causes you to purchase new items to replace the old. ... It was hard rubbish collection time in our suburb this week. .. The other things that stuck out were hooded BBQ's. Almost every third or fourth house had one out the front. Cheap chinese crap rusting away, most only a year or two old. At between $200 and $400 each its a disgusting waste of money & resources. When it comes to BBQs, I can understand the need to replace it from time to time. I never spend big bux on one because I plan on replacing it every few years anyway. So I don't need no honkin' Binford-5000 deluxo-bbq to start with. Who wants a fixed dirty old and rusting BBQ? Usually you end up having to spend $50 on a replacement carbourator for it in the spring (bugs like to get in it over winter). But when you can get a new one for $50 more (or less)? My wife once bought a toaster when the cashier asked if she wanted a protection plan for it. She said something to the effect "Are you kidding me?!?! Why would I want the crummy old one fixed? I'd rather get a new [clean] one!" I'm inclined to keep things more than my wife does. But if it smacks of needing cleaning or has "somebody else's germs on it" (used), then I've come to know where that is headed. $$ Warren |
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Nico Coesel expounded in :
... The most interesting fact is that everything is made in China these days. That Yamaha generator is also made in China but Yamaha is probably on top of quality control. The same generators are probably sold under many different brands with lesser components. My wife bought me a golf shirt on sale shortly after I got my gieger counter from eBay (a couple of years ago). For kicks I measured it and found that it registered on avg a bit higher than the background levels around our place. Many washes later, it has returned to background levels. The level was not high enough to worry about, but was one of those things that make you go hmmmm... I think the shirt was made in Korea. Warren |
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Warren wrote:
When it comes to BBQs, I can understand the need to replace it from time to time. I never spend big bux on one because I plan on replacing it every few years anyway. So I don't need no honkin' Binford-5000 deluxo-bbq to start with. Who wants a fixed dirty old and rusting BBQ? Usually you end up having to spend $50 on a replacement carbourator for it in the spring (bugs like to get in it over winter). But when you can get a new one for $50 more (or less)? Or use a 2 second blast from the air compressor. My wife once bought a toaster when the cashier asked if she wanted a protection plan for it. She said something to the effect "Are you kidding me?!?! Why would I want the crummy old one fixed? I'd rather get a new [clean] one!" Because the new one will last half as long? I'm inclined to keep things more than my wife does. But if it smacks of needing cleaning or has "somebody else's germs on it" (used), then I've come to know where that is headed. $$ Not me, but then, that allowed me to retire early. |
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Bob F expounded in :
Warren wrote: When it comes to BBQs, I can understand the need to replace it from time to time. I never spend big bux on one because I plan on replacing it every few years anyway. So I don't need no honkin' Binford-5000 deluxo-bbq to start with. Who wants a fixed dirty old and rusting BBQ? Usually you end up having to spend $50 on a replacement carbourator for it in the spring (bugs like to get in it over winter). But when you can get a new one for $50 more (or less)? Or use a 2 second blast from the air compressor. All kinds of nasty things happen to a bbq carbourator over a cdn winter. Believe me, if only it were that simple... My wife once bought a toaster when the cashier asked if she wanted a protection plan for it. She said something to the effect "Are you kidding me?!?! Why would I want the crummy old one fixed? I'd rather get a new [clean] one!" Because the new one will last half as long? For toasters, I'm with her on this one. Do you think that protection plan will make your toaster last longer? I'm inclined to keep things more than my wife does. But if it smacks of needing cleaning or has "somebody else's germs on it" (used), then I've come to know where that is headed. $$ Not me, but then, that allowed me to retire early. Either you have a "optimum wife" or you're single. ;-) Warren |
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Get some concrete blocks, lay them on the ground the way you want
them.Lay something on the top of the blocks for a grill, slap some paint on the blocks.That BBQ thangy will last a lonnnnnng time. I am going to Carl's sheet metal shop on Gallatin Street tomorrow morning and buy a large piece of sheet metal for something I am working on, I won't tell y'all what it is though, it is Top Secret.It isn't anything that would interest y'all all that much anyway. http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Carl's+Sheet+Metal+Shop+Gallatin+Street +Jackson+Mississippi cuhulin, Sheet Metal R US |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 14:23:22 -0500, J R wrote:
Get some concrete blocks, lay them on the ground the way you want them.Lay something on the top of the blocks for a grill, slap some paint on the blocks.That BBQ thangy will last a lonnnnnng time. I am going to Carl's sheet metal shop on Gallatin Street tomorrow morning and buy a large piece of sheet metal for something I am working on, I won't tell y'all what it is though, it is Top Secret.It isn't anything that would interest y'all all that much anyway. http://www.devilfinder.com/find.php?q=Carl's+Sheet+Metal+Shop+Gallatin +Street+Jackson+Mississippi cuhulin, Sheet Metal R US Let me guess; you're going to cover your floor furnace? |
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That guy on the phone at Carl's Sheet Metal Shop, he quoted me a price
of about $300.00 for that piece of sheet metal. ///Sheet! Mope!/// You got that right, Sang, I reckon I will be checkin out the scrap iron yards around here. cuhulin |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 13:29:35 -0500, J R wrote:
That guy on the phone at Carl's Sheet Metal Shop, he quoted me a price of about $300.00 for that piece of sheet metal. ///Sheet! Mope!/// You got that right, Sang, I reckon I will be checkin out the scrap iron yards around here. cuhulin Oil catcher pan from Auto Zone |
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I done told you what it is.It is Top Secret.Bit, I have another Idee, I
don'ts need teh sheet metal after all. That's a Good one! ~ Walter Brennan - Rio Bravo movie. cuhulin |
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