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Joe from Kokomo[_2_] August 20th 13 04:54 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 

On 8/20/13 02:47 , wrote:

From Dulles to Charlottesville is only 100 miles or so...


On 8/20/2013 8:24 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

The longest hundred miles you'll ever see, is flying it in a DC-3.


I dunno about that. Flying in the Ford Tri-Motor is unbelievably noisy.


D. Peter Maus[_2_] August 20th 13 06:05 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On 8/20/13 10:54 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:

On 8/20/13 02:47 , wrote:

From Dulles to Charlottesville is only 100 miles or so...


On 8/20/2013 8:24 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

The longest hundred miles you'll ever see, is flying it in a DC-3.


I dunno about that. Flying in the Ford Tri-Motor is unbelievably noisy.



But nowhere near as unpleasant.






DhiaDuit August 20th 13 06:43 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:05:58 PM UTC-5, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 8/20/13 10:54 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:



On 8/20/13 02:47 , wrote:




From Dulles to Charlottesville is only 100 miles or so...




On 8/20/2013 8:24 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:




The longest hundred miles you'll ever see, is flying it in a DC-3.




I dunno about that. Flying in the Ford Tri-Motor is unbelievably noisy.






But nowhere near as unpleasant.









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DhiaDuit August 20th 13 07:08 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:43:57 PM UTC-5, DhiaDuit wrote:
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:05:58 PM UTC-5, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 8/20/13 10:54 , Joe from Kokomo wrote:








On 8/20/13 02:47 , wrote:








From Dulles to Charlottesville is only 100 miles or so...








On 8/20/2013 8:24 AM, D. Peter Maus wrote:








The longest hundred miles you'll ever see, is flying it in a DC-3..








I dunno about that. Flying in the Ford Tri-Motor is unbelievably noisy.












But nowhere near as unpleasant.




















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matt weber[_3_] August 20th 13 10:29 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 00:33:57 -0500, "D. Peter Maus"
wrote:

On 8/18/13 14:10 , wrote:
C-47(actually a DC-3) must be the most reliable plane in existence. They are still being used today in several countries . It is an amazing piece of machinery.



Many of the radial engines used for C-47's are no longer serviceable
for civilian use, and are limited to public use, which does not require
the stringent standards of civilian service maintenance schedules.

A good number of the C-47's still flying have been converted to turbo
prop engines. They are eerily quiet when flying overhead.


My experience with that aircraft came in the late 60's when Northwest
was flying DC-3's and I was a passenger from Minneapolis to Huron
South Dakota. Those twin 9 cylinder Wright Cyclones were astonishingly
loud in the cabin, and the aircraft was very rough flying. I didn't stop
hurling until two hours after we landed. Like early V-tail Bonanza's,
the DC-3 would fishtail in straight and level flight. It was like riding
in the back of a 63 Galaxy on the interstate.

Finger lickin' unpleasant.

But still, one of the most historically significant aircraft ever built.



My recollection is NW retired their DC-3 well before the late 1960's
(I was living in Madison at the time).By the late 1960's they were
operating L-188's and 707's and 727's.

I suspect the aircraft you were on was actually North Central
Airlines, who did operate DC3 into the late 1960's in may of the same
places NW flew. In fact if you went to Huron, I'd bet it was North
Central rather than NW.

DhiaDuit August 20th 13 10:37 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:29:12 PM UTC-5, matt weber wrote:
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 00:33:57 -0500, "D. Peter Maus"

wrote:



On 8/18/13 14:10 , wrote:


C-47(actually a DC-3) must be the most reliable plane in existence. They are still being used today in several countries . It is an amazing piece of machinery.






Many of the radial engines used for C-47's are no longer serviceable


for civilian use, and are limited to public use, which does not require


the stringent standards of civilian service maintenance schedules.




A good number of the C-47's still flying have been converted to turbo


prop engines. They are eerily quiet when flying overhead.






My experience with that aircraft came in the late 60's when Northwest


was flying DC-3's and I was a passenger from Minneapolis to Huron


South Dakota. Those twin 9 cylinder Wright Cyclones were astonishingly


loud in the cabin, and the aircraft was very rough flying. I didn't stop


hurling until two hours after we landed. Like early V-tail Bonanza's,


the DC-3 would fishtail in straight and level flight. It was like riding


in the back of a 63 Galaxy on the interstate.




Finger lickin' unpleasant.




But still, one of the most historically significant aircraft ever built.


DhiaDuit August 20th 13 10:59 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:37:20 PM UTC-5, DhiaDuit wrote:
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:29:12 PM UTC-5, matt weber wrote:

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 00:33:57 -0500, "D. Peter Maus"




wrote:








On 8/18/13 14:10 , wrote:




C-47(actually a DC-3) must be the most reliable plane in existence. They are still being used today in several countries . It is an amazing piece of machinery.












Many of the radial engines used for C-47's are no longer serviceable




for civilian use, and are limited to public use, which does not require




the stringent standards of civilian service maintenance schedules.








A good number of the C-47's still flying have been converted to turbo




prop engines. They are eerily quiet when flying overhead.












My experience with that aircraft came in the late 60's when Northwest




was flying DC-3's and I was a passenger from Minneapolis to Huron




South Dakota. Those twin 9 cylinder Wright Cyclones were astonishingly




loud in the cabin, and the aircraft was very rough flying. I didn't stop




hurling until two hours after we landed. Like early V-tail Bonanza's,




the DC-3 would fishtail in straight and level flight. It was like riding




in the back of a 63 Galaxy on the interstate.








Finger lickin' unpleasant.








But still, one of the most historically significant aircraft ever built.
















My recollection is NW retired their DC-3 well before the late 1960's




(I was living in Madison at the time).By the late 1960's they were




operating L-188's and 707's and 727's.








I suspect the aircraft you were on was actually North Central




Airlines, who did operate DC3 into the late 1960's in may of the same




places NW flew. In fact if you went to Huron, I'd bet it was North




Central rather than NW.




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[email protected] August 21st 13 04:08 AM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 2:00:15 PM UTC-4, DhiaDuit wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:40:56 PM UTC-5, dxAce wrote:

wrote:








On Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:42:04 AM UTC-4, Jim Haynes wrote:




On 2013-08-17, extra class wrote:








try 60+
















The B-52 took its maiden flight in April 1952.
















Yes, but the ones currently still flying are the B-52H models that








went into service 50 years ago.
















jhhaynes at earthlink dot net








Just how safe is a 50 year old flying machine?








Probably pretty darn safe since like some helicopters we had only the air




frame itself is really that old (and even some of that may have been replaced)




the rest having been replaced piece by piece over the decades.








dxAce




Michigan




USA




The old Bell Huey Helicopters had a lot of vibration in them. That is what caused a lot of them to crash in Vietnam. My brother was a Helicopter Mechanic at Vung Tau, Vietnam. I would feel much safer in a B 52, or an old Gooneybird.


A B-1B just crashed someplace out West . Cost nearly 300M back when they where making them in the 80's.

DhiaDuit August 21st 13 04:30 AM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:08:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 2:00:15 PM UTC-4, DhiaDuit wrote:

On Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:40:56 PM UTC-5, dxAce wrote:




wrote:
















On Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:42:04 AM UTC-4, Jim Haynes wrote:








On 2013-08-17, extra class wrote:
















try 60+
































The B-52 took its maiden flight in April 1952.
































Yes, but the ones currently still flying are the B-52H models that
















went into service 50 years ago.
































jhhaynes at earthlink dot net
















Just how safe is a 50 year old flying machine?
















Probably pretty darn safe since like some helicopters we had only the air








frame itself is really that old (and even some of that may have been replaced)








the rest having been replaced piece by piece over the decades.
















dxAce








Michigan








USA








The old Bell Huey Helicopters had a lot of vibration in them. That is what caused a lot of them to crash in Vietnam. My brother was a Helicopter Mechanic at Vung Tau, Vietnam. I would feel much safer in a B 52, or an old Gooneybird.




A B-1B just crashed someplace out West . Cost nearly 300M back when they where making them in the 80's.


Google,,, B 1B crash In Montana.

D. Peter Maus[_2_] August 23rd 13 05:48 PM

Air Force begins massive B 52 overhaul.
 
On 8/18/13 12:34 , wrote:
On Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:42:04 AM UTC-4, Jim Haynes wrote:
On 2013-08-17, extra class wrote:

try 60+




The B-52 took its maiden flight in April 1952.




Yes, but the ones currently still flying are the B-52H models that

went into service 50 years ago.



jhhaynes at earthlink dot net


Just how safe is a 50 year old flying machine?



You'd be surprised.

Unlike automobiles, often underbuilt and subjected to a variety of
environmental and chemical abuses, and human inflicted abuses, including
ignored maintenance, harsh treatment by operators, poorly maintained
roads, and spotty repairs, aircraft are operated in a much less harsh
and/or hostile environment.

While mechanical stresses in aircraft are significantly more intense
than in automotive applications, aircraft systems are more robustly
built at points of stress, regularly more aggressively maintained, and
are not subjected to the horrors of salt, and environmental abuse.

Cars are usually run hard and put up wet. Aircraft are operated in
more circumspect manners. All major subsystems, and points of stress are
inspected prior to every flight. Shock cooling doesn't happen with
aircraft operated by competent pilots. Engines are cool-down run to
prevent cracking. Maintenance is much more aggressive. Inspections are
frequent and regular. Repairs are more carefully monitored, recorded and
logged.

In the event of spar rust, as on civilan Beechcraft Bonanzas,
recently revealed, military aircraft are either grounded, or the parts
replaced. And for the record the rust on the wing spars of Bonanzas,
many of which date to the 40's, was revealed by annual and 100 hour
inspections.

So, a 50 year old military aircraft, while not maintained to the
obscene and often punitive levels of civilian aircraft, are better
maintained better than any civilian automobile, inspected at regular
intervals for mechanical and structural insufficiencies, and are
accompanied by records that go back to the first stringers being laid in
the airframe.

Myself, I drive a 60 year old car.

I've gone up in much older aircraft many times with complete confidence.




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