On 8/24/13 13:00 , wrote:
On Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:09:26 AM UTC-4, dave wrote:
On 08/24/2013 07:07 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:





Just how safe is a 50 year old flying machine?



On 8/23/2013 12:48 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:



You'd be surprised.



Unlike automobiles, often underbuilt and subjected to a variety of

environmental and chemical abuses, and human inflicted abuses, including

ignored maintenance, harsh treatment by operators, poorly maintained

roads, and spotty repairs, aircraft are operated in a much less harsh

and/or hostile environment.



While mechanical stresses in aircraft are significantly more intense

than in automotive applications, aircraft systems are more robustly

built at points of stress, regularly more aggressively maintained, and

are not subjected to the horrors of salt, and environmental abuse.



Stresses?



I would respectfully point out the commercial airliner that had a

portion of the roof peeled off near Hawaii, ostensibly due to the

repeated pressurization of the hull. Also recall the Alaskan Airlines(?)

plane where the empennage failed due to stress.



I've gone up in much older aircraft many times with complete confidence.



Ditto. Been up numerous times in a Ford Tri-Motor (produced 1925-1933)

with nary a concern (other than going deaf). Also flew a C-54 Skymaster

to Texas and lived to tell the tale. :-D





This is silly. It reminds me of Reagan's use of battleships. The things

have 8 engines (not counting APUs) for crude missiles to lock on. They

are sitting ducks in the sky.

This is why SDI was created. To fight missiles with missiles .

SDI was created to drive the Soviets into bankruptcy. SDI didn't
work. Couldn't be made to work. Wasn't supposed to work. It was a
strategy to end the USSR, which was already on the ropes.

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 3:23:44 AM UTC-4, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 8/24/13 13:00 , wrote:

On Saturday, August 24, 2013 11:09:26 AM UTC-4, dave wrote:

On 08/24/2013 07:07 AM, Joe from Kokomo wrote:











Just how safe is a 50 year old flying machine?







On 8/23/2013 12:48 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:







You'd be surprised.







Unlike automobiles, often underbuilt and subjected to a variety of



environmental and chemical abuses, and human inflicted abuses, including



ignored maintenance, harsh treatment by operators, poorly maintained



roads, and spotty repairs, aircraft are operated in a much less harsh



and/or hostile environment.







While mechanical stresses in aircraft are significantly more intense



than in automotive applications, aircraft systems are more robustly



built at points of stress, regularly more aggressively maintained, and



are not subjected to the horrors of salt, and environmental abuse.







Stresses?







I would respectfully point out the commercial airliner that had a



portion of the roof peeled off near Hawaii, ostensibly due to the



repeated pressurization of the hull. Also recall the Alaskan Airlines(?)



plane where the empennage failed due to stress.







I've gone up in much older aircraft many times with complete confidence.







Ditto. Been up numerous times in a Ford Tri-Motor (produced 1925-1933)



with nary a concern (other than going deaf). Also flew a C-54 Skymaster



to Texas and lived to tell the tale. :-D











This is silly. It reminds me of Reagan's use of battleships. The things



have 8 engines (not counting APUs) for crude missiles to lock on. They



are sitting ducks in the sky.



This is why SDI was created. To fight missiles with missiles .



SDI was created to drive the Soviets into bankruptcy. SDI didn't

work. Couldn't be made to work. Wasn't supposed to work. It was a

strategy to end the USSR, which was already on the ropes.



If anything actually pushed the evil empire into real bankruptcy- it was prohibition under Gorbachev... The gov't lost huge part of the revenue due to very high alcohol prices .This had created a new industry (underground) and all the money remained in private hands. Eventually the state planned economy started to collapse . All the way...

On 8/25/13 03:23 , wrote:


This is why SDI was created. To fight missiles with missiles .



SDI was created to drive the Soviets into bankruptcy. SDI didn't

work. Couldn't be made to work. Wasn't supposed to work. It was a

strategy to end the USSR, which was already on the ropes.



If anything actually pushed the evil empire into real bankruptcy- it
was prohibition under Gorbachev... The gov't lost huge part of the
revenue due to very high alcohol prices .This had created a new
industry (underground) and all the money remained in private hands.
Eventually the state planned economy started to collapse . All the
way...


No doubt. But it doesn't change the fact that SDI was a red herring.
It couldn't work, and wasn't supposed to. But it's creation and public
presentation was a strategy to undo the Soviet Union. Whether it was
successful in that may be an issue of some debate, but that was its
purpose.

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:22:31 AM UTC-5, D. Peter Maus wrote:
On 8/25/13 03:23 , wrote:





This is why SDI was created. To fight missiles with missiles .







SDI was created to drive the Soviets into bankruptcy. SDI didn't



work. Couldn't be made to work. Wasn't supposed to work. It was a



strategy to end the USSR, which was already on the ropes.







If anything actually pushed the evil empire into real bankruptcy- it

was prohibition under Gorbachev... The gov't lost huge part of the

revenue due to very high alcohol prices .This had created a new

industry (underground) and all the money remained in private hands.

Eventually the state planned economy started to collapse . All the

way...





No doubt. But it doesn't change the fact that SDI was a red herring.

It couldn't work, and wasn't supposed to. But it's creation and public

presentation was a strategy to undo the Soviet Union. Whether it was

successful in that may be an issue of some debate, but that was its

purpose.

But, what is that 60 years old car you drive? Is it a Saab car?

On Monday, August 26, 2013 12:05:11 PM UTC-4, DhiaDuit wrote:
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:22:31 AM UTC-5, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 8/25/13 03:23 , wrote:











This is why SDI was created. To fight missiles with missiles .















SDI was created to drive the Soviets into bankruptcy. SDI didn't







work. Couldn't be made to work. Wasn't supposed to work. It was a







strategy to end the USSR, which was already on the ropes.















If anything actually pushed the evil empire into real bankruptcy- it



was prohibition under Gorbachev... The gov't lost huge part of the



revenue due to very high alcohol prices .This had created a new



industry (underground) and all the money remained in private hands.



Eventually the state planned economy started to collapse . All the



way...











No doubt. But it doesn't change the fact that SDI was a red herring.



It couldn't work, and wasn't supposed to. But it's creation and public



presentation was a strategy to undo the Soviet Union. Whether it was



successful in that may be an issue of some debate, but that was its



purpose.



But, what is that 60 years old car you drive? Is it a Saab car?

Cannot be SAAB. More like a Volvo or a M-B.

On Monday, August 26, 2013 12:42:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Monday, August 26, 2013 12:05:11 PM UTC-4, DhiaDuit wrote:

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:22:31 AM UTC-5, D. Peter Maus wrote:



On 8/25/13 03:23 , wrote:























This is why SDI was created. To fight missiles with missiles .































SDI was created to drive the Soviets into bankruptcy. SDI didn't















work. Couldn't be made to work. Wasn't supposed to work. It was a















strategy to end the USSR, which was already on the ropes.































If anything actually pushed the evil empire into real bankruptcy- it







was prohibition under Gorbachev... The gov't lost huge part of the







revenue due to very high alcohol prices .This had created a new







industry (underground) and all the money remained in private hands.







Eventually the state planned economy started to collapse . All the







way...























No doubt. But it doesn't change the fact that SDI was a red herring.







It couldn't work, and wasn't supposed to. But it's creation and public







presentation was a strategy to undo the Soviet Union. Whether it was







successful in that may be an issue of some debate, but that was its







purpose.







But, what is that 60 years old car you drive? Is it a Saab car?



Cannot be SAAB. More like a Volvo or a M-B.

Back in the 1960s or 1970s there was a used cars dealership just across Highway 80 from me. One time I stopped there and I looked at a real nice looking three cylinders Saab car they had for sale. I think they were asking $700.00 for that little red Saab car. About a week ago at Youtube I watched a Youtube video of an old Saab car being removed from a barn in Norway. I wants me an old, old Citroen Deau Cheveaux car, just something to play with. I saw a lot of them when I was in Vietnam. I wants,,,, I wants,,, I wants,,,

On 8/26/13 12:42 , wrote:
On Monday, August 26, 2013 12:05:11 PM UTC-4, DhiaDuit wrote:
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:22:31 AM UTC-5, D. Peter Maus wrote:

On 8/25/13 03:23 , wrote:











This is why SDI was created. To fight missiles with missiles .















SDI was created to drive the Soviets into bankruptcy. SDI didn't







work. Couldn't be made to work. Wasn't supposed to work. It was a







strategy to end the USSR, which was already on the ropes.















If anything actually pushed the evil empire into real bankruptcy- it



was prohibition under Gorbachev... The gov't lost huge part of the



revenue due to very high alcohol prices .This had created a new



industry (underground) and all the money remained in private hands.



Eventually the state planned economy started to collapse . All the



way...











No doubt. But it doesn't change the fact that SDI was a red herring.



It couldn't work, and wasn't supposed to. But it's creation and public



presentation was a strategy to undo the Soviet Union. Whether it was



successful in that may be an issue of some debate, but that was its



purpose.



But, what is that 60 years old car you drive? Is it a Saab car?

Cannot be SAAB. More like a Volvo or a M-B.


Close. It's a Studebaker.

"DhiaDuit" wrote in message
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Back in the 1960s or 1970s there was a used cars dealership just across
Highway 80 from me. One time I stopped there and I looked at a real nice
looking three cylinders Saab car they had for sale. I think they were asking
$700.00 for that little red Saab car. About a week ago at Youtube I watched
a Youtube video of an old Saab car being removed from a barn in Norway. I
wants me an old, old Citroen Deau Cheveaux car, just something to play with.
I saw a lot of them when I was in Vietnam. I wants,,,, I wants,,, I wants,,,



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I have a friend who at one point had 7 or 8 of those Lemons (yes, citroen
means lemon) lined up along the street in front of his house. Interesting
cars, with their vacuum suspension. One of those guest starred on an episode
of CHiPs, driving down the freeway on three wheels (the fourth was
completely missing). Then there is the airplane style steering wheel.

On Monday, August 26, 2013 3:01:16 PM UTC-5, Brenda Dyer wrote:
"DhiaDuit" wrote in message

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Back in the 1960s or 1970s there was a used cars dealership just across

Highway 80 from me. One time I stopped there and I looked at a real nice

looking three cylinders Saab car they had for sale. I think they were asking

$700.00 for that little red Saab car. About a week ago at Youtube I watched

a Youtube video of an old Saab car being removed from a barn in Norway. I

wants me an old, old Citroen Deau Cheveaux car, just something to play with.

I saw a lot of them when I was in Vietnam. I wants,,,, I wants,,, I wants,,,







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I have a friend who at one point had 7 or 8 of those Lemons (yes, citroen

means lemon) lined up along the street in front of his house. Interesting

cars, with their vacuum suspension. One of those guest starred on an episode

of CHiPs, driving down the freeway on three wheels (the fourth was

completely missing). Then there is the airplane style steering wheel.

When I was a kid, (I am a big kid now) when we saw a Studebaker car or truck, we would sing out, Studebaker Studebaker ten feet tall, Studebaker Studebaker spit on the wall! But, the kind of Citroen car I wouldn't mind owning has a two cylinder air cooled engine with front wheel drive and a corrugated sheet metal body. Google,,, Citroen Deau Chevaux cars Youtube

But, what is that 60 years old car you drive?

On 8/26/2013 2:26 PM, D. Peter Maus wrote:

Close. It's a Studebaker.

Silver Hawk, Golden Hawk, Avanti or "other"?