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Let's face it the f¢¢ doesn't care about "pirate" they said so last April:
"stopping pirate radio is not at the top of the priority list" and this is
especially true about shortwave "pirates."

The so called pirates posted here are in fact just ham geeks clowning
around, if in fact if they were "pirates" they would be on air longer than a
few hours at a time. Would have a real agenda and be a true clandestine
voice and real concern to a government in power.

Even hear one last more than a few hours?

Even hear one beg for money?

The reason they just pop up and then vanish is not due to any enforcement
fears, but rather economics. They may be ham geeks but there are not stupid
enough to go broke providing "free radio." The f¢¢'s don't give a ****
policy is working; just let the clowns go bankrupt that will drive them off
the air. More so on a band (shortwave) with little or no interest beyond the
general public.

Of course you say look at all the number of new ones appearing each day, hey
than along comes the f¢¢ saying to the arrlosers the 40 meters is now
extended to 6900kHz. blow out! Now those ham clowns can goof around all they
want just like CB radio, we don't give **** it's your problem now.

So just keep posting your "pirates" there is no mystery in who these people
are and what they are up to.

Call a spade a spade.


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If only you had a clue...

Granted, SOME of the pirates are licensed hams - but most are not. Some are frustrated broadcasters who can't get their creativity out on commercial radio where they work. Some are nerdy kids that just wanna play disc jockey.

There are FM pirates that broadcast 24 hpd. However, given the conditions on shortwave there's no point trying to broadcast for a long period of time. An hour is usually enough to reach the few people who will tune in.

Nice try, but no cigar.

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On 12/7/2015 12:44 PM, fred engels wrote:

Of course you say look at all the number of new ones appearing each day,
hey than along comes the f¢¢ saying to the arrlosers ...


A typo? What do you mean by ARRL losers?

The ARRL does the following:

* QST in print

* QST in digital format

* QST product reviews

* Represents us at the IARU and ITU

* Provides a Technical Information Service for hams with a tech problem

* Runs the Volunteer Examiner Coordinator service that administers 75%
of ham exams

* Runs contests and awards (DXCC, WAS, etc)

* Runs Logbook of The World QSL service

....and many more things that benefit ham radio that I didn't type.

I (and maybe the rest of the group) would like to know why you call all
they do for the good of ham radio as being a "loser". Possibly you have
better ideas you could share with us?

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the arrlosers are the losers when the f¢¢ says 40 meters is extended to
6900kHz.
then the ham clowns can goof around and play Disc Jocky all they want,
the arrlosers are the losers when the f¢¢ says we don't give a **** it's
your problem now.

"Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message
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On 12/7/2015 12:44 PM, fred engels wrote:

Of course you say look at all the number of new ones appearing each day,
hey than along comes the f¢¢ saying to the arrlosers ...


A typo? What do you mean by ARRL losers?

The ARRL does the following:

* QST in print

* QST in digital format

* QST product reviews

* Represents us at the IARU and ITU

* Provides a Technical Information Service for hams with a tech problem

* Runs the Volunteer Examiner Coordinator service that administers 75% of
ham exams

* Runs contests and awards (DXCC, WAS, etc)

* Runs Logbook of The World QSL service

...and many more things that benefit ham radio that I didn't type.

I (and maybe the rest of the group) would like to know why you call all
they do for the good of ham radio as being a "loser". Possibly you have
better ideas you could share with us?


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Frankly there's so little "real" broadcassting left on HF that letting folks play pirate for a hour or two every now and then is unlikely to cause problems. I'd be all for even officially allowing folks to put out shows on shortwave without a full broadcast license. Maybe the airwaves would come to life again and SW would be fun like it used to be.

Mike

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On 12/8/2015 5:38 PM, fred k engels wrote:

the arrlosers are the losers when the f¢¢ says 40 meters is extended to
6900kHz.

Guess I must have missed something. I haven't heard they were adding a
100 kHz to the band. A brief web search on this topic showed nothing.
Even if it was true, why would the ARRL be a "loser" when one of our ham
bands is expanded?

then the ham clowns can goof around and play Disc Jocky all they want,

Sorry, I miss the connection. If somebody wants to be a disc jockey, I
would think they would just do it anyway -- without waiting for the band
to be expanded. And it doesn't necessarily have to be just hams that are
playing DJ.

the arrlosers are the losers when the f¢¢ says we don't give a **** it's
your problem now.

Well, I don't know about the ARRL being losers; I would think that all
hams are the losers.

Also, don't overlook that it takes money for the FCC to monitor. It
seems the conservatives are putting the squeeze on federal funds.
Because of budget cutbacks, the FCC is closing 10 or 11 of its field
offices. With less staff and fewer monitoring sites, you are right --
the FCC may have to use their now limited resources on bigger problems
than some kid playing disc jockey for an hour.

Care to tell us where you get this off-the-wall idea that the "pirates" are just ham clowns? Without that information, you come off as a totally ignorant buffoon - just like Donald J. Trump!

And just *when* is the 40m band going to be extended to 6900 kHz? I'm not aware of any such proposal.

Or are you just a TROLL???

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Of course you say look at all the number of new ones appearing each day, hey
than along comes the f¢¢ looking for money and says to the arrlosers/boy
scouts the 40 meters is not now,
but we can get rid of the "pirate" problem by extending to 6900kHz.. WOW!
what a blow out for the arrlosers/boy scouts ! Now those ham/boy scout
clowns and (without proof they have to be) other clowns can now goof around
all they want just like CB radio, since we the f¢¢ don't give a **** it's
your problem we have bigger problems finding more money.

"Joe from Kokomo" wrote in message
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On 12/8/2015 5:38 PM, fred k engels wrote:

the arrlosers are the losers when the f¢¢ says 40 meters is extended to
6900kHz.

Guess I must have missed something. I haven't heard they were adding a 100
kHz to the band. A brief web search on this topic showed nothing. Even if
it was true, why would the ARRL be a "loser" when one of our ham bands is
expanded?

then the ham clowns can goof around and play Disc Jocky all they want,

Sorry, I miss the connection. If somebody wants to be a disc jockey, I
would think they would just do it anyway -- without waiting for the band
to be expanded. And it doesn't necessarily have to be just hams that are
playing DJ.

the arrlosers are the losers when the f¢¢ says we don't give a **** it's
your problem now.

Well, I don't know about the ARRL being losers; I would think that all
hams are the losers.

Also, don't overlook that it takes money for the FCC to monitor. It seems
the conservatives are putting the squeeze on federal funds. Because of
budget cutbacks, the FCC is closing 10 or 11 of its field offices. With
less staff and fewer monitoring sites, you are right --
the FCC may have to use their now limited resources on bigger problems
than some kid playing disc jockey for an hour.



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Would never work. You will end up with what goes on at 9955 kHz around
0000 UTC. Someone will have a problem with what you say or play. Then,
crank up the jammers.

Jim(MI)


"Mike K." wrote in
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Frankly there's so little "real" broadcassting left on HF that letting
folks play pirate for a hour or two every now and then is unlikely to
cause problems. I'd be all for even officially allowing folks to put
out shows on shortwave without a full broadcast license. Maybe the
airwaves would come to life again and SW would be fun like it used to
be.

Mike

An open letter to all the "pirate" posters
 

Mike K. wrote:

Frankly there's so little "real" broadcassting left on HF that letting folks play pirate for a hour or two every now and then is unlikely to cause problems. I'd be all for even officially allowing folks to put out shows on shortwave without a full broadcast license. Maybe the airwaves would come to life again and SW would be fun like it used to be.

Mike

Let someone like the National Park Service administer the shortwave
bands. Seriously. The shortwave bands should be treated like a
national resource, available to everyone.

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On Thu, 10 Dec 2015, analogdial wrote:

Mike K. wrote:

Frankly there's so little "real" broadcassting left on HF that letting folks play pirate for a hour or two every now and then is unlikely to cause problems. I'd be all for even officially allowing folks to put out shows on shortwave without a full broadcast license. Maybe the airwaves would come to life again and SW would be fun like it used to be.

Mike

Let someone like the National Park Service administer the shortwave
bands. Seriously. The shortwave bands should be treated like a
national resource, available to everyone.

That's funny, that's why the FCC exists.

In the early days of radio, everyone was jammed into a small segment of
the spectrum, because going higher was difficult for the technology,
indeed deemed "useless".

Of course, initially there was little use for this lab curiosity, but use
(by ships and hams) started to show things that could be done. But the
user base was much smaller, lots hadn't been considered yet.

SO the ships at sea complained about the hams, and the broadcasters wanted
their space. Initially odd rules came into effect, I seem to recall the
US had one about hams having to have a quiet period during prime time in
the evening.

So laws gradually were brought in, because otherwise it would be a jumble.
It's the fact that things are regulated which allowed for growth. SO
after WWII proved a lot of new spectrum and technology, tv went off like a
rocket, with a massive spectrum segment (because tv sets at the time meant
adjacent channels couldn't be used), and then later UHF channels were
added. All kinds of two-way radio added. There was that Class A CB in
the late forties, then 1958 CB as we knew, it which had to be carved from
existing space, as is the case for most new radio services added.

Technology kept improving, allowing more use of the higher frequencies,
and new uses for radio kept being invented, to make use of those new
frequencies.

A lot of spectrum is devoted "to the people", ie broadcast radio. But
there is CB, FRS, places where license free transmitters can be tried,
MURS, various places for radio controlled transmitters.

Amateur radio still exists because it was there at the beginning, the
sourec of so much that came later. IT is the free-est radio service there
is, you can build transmitters, you have lots of leeway within the ham
bands, you can do all kinds of things and modes, and none of it requires a
license change. I could run full power when I got my first license here
in Canada in 1972, a kilowatt. The cost is knowing something about the
technology, and the rules.

But in reality, everyone uses radio far more than they realize.
Cellphones use a lot of radio frequency, the cost being a lot of
infrastructure to make efficient use of those frequencies, so everyone can
have their cellphone. Circa 1970 (and obviously way before that) there
was no space for the masses, not unless they wanted to talk only half a
block. Cellphones fix that, infrastructure so everyone can be talking on
the radio without interfering with others.

If radio was "free", then nobody could say anything, because everyone
would be interfering with everyone else.

Michael

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Michael Black wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015, analogdial wrote:



Let someone like the National Park Service administer the shortwave
bands. Seriously. The shortwave bands should be treated like a
national resource, available to everyone.

That's funny, that's why the FCC exists.


[snip]

Not exactly. The FCC has a sort of traffic cop like duty and they go
where the traffic is. I have no doubt the FCC was far more interested
in the SW bands back in the days when RCA and AT&T were sending out
millions of dollars worth of RTTY across the oceans.

The FCC doesn't much care about SW anymore. I came to that conclusion
about 10 years ago, during the BPL scare. The FCC was prepared to allow
what was, at one time, an unconscionable amount of interference. I was
pretty sure the FCC was taking a realpolitk stance, letting BPL die of
it's own shortcomings, but I'm absolutely sure the FCC did not take a
positive stance in protection for a national and international resource.

So, I say F the FCC. Shortwave would be in better hands with the Park
Rangers. The Park Rangers want to preserve order, protect the natural
resources and they hope we come to love the natural resources as much as
they do.

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The f¢¢ doesn't much care about any of the electromagnetic spectrum anymore,
sell it all off, have an interference problem? we the f¢¢ don't give a ****
it's your problem now, we have bigger problems finding more money.


"analogdial" wrote in message
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Michael Black wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2015, analogdial wrote:



Let someone like the National Park Service administer the shortwave
bands. Seriously. The shortwave bands should be treated like a
national resource, available to everyone.

That's funny, that's why the FCC exists.


[snip]

Not exactly. The FCC has a sort of traffic cop like duty and they go
where the traffic is. I have no doubt the FCC was far more interested
in the SW bands back in the days when RCA and AT&T were sending out
millions of dollars worth of RTTY across the oceans.

The FCC doesn't much care about SW anymore. I came to that conclusion
about 10 years ago, during the BPL scare. The FCC was prepared to allow
what was, at one time, an unconscionable amount of interference. I was
pretty sure the FCC was taking a realpolitk stance, letting BPL die of
it's own shortcomings, but I'm absolutely sure the FCC did not take a
positive stance in protection for a national and international resource.

So, I say F the FCC. Shortwave would be in better hands with the Park
Rangers. The Park Rangers want to preserve order, protect the natural
resources and they hope we come to love the natural resources as much as
they do.


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On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, jta blathered:

Nice try, but no cigar.

The FCC doesn't need active enforcement when they've got people like you
snitching on pirates, John.

- The Un-JTA.

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On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, jta wrote:

Or are you just a TROLL???

Good job with the ad-hominem attack there, John. You've really
mastered that one, I have to say.

At least he's not snitching out pirates. You know, like you did. Or
possibly even still do; I really don't know if that was just a passing
fancy for you or not. My gut tells me it's probably the latter.

- The Un-JTA.

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its not about "snitching on pirates" twit, its about calling a spade a
spade and about the f¢¢ not giving a ****


"The Un-JTA" wrote in message
pny...
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, jta blathered:

Nice try, but no cigar.

The FCC doesn't need active enforcement when they've got people like you
snitching on pirates, John.

- The Un-JTA.


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