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Maximo Lachman July 7th 03 06:14 AM

FCC website crashed 30.v by concerned citizens
 
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations. But no
one answers any of the phones for an hour and a half. According to the
New York Times, three hundred people are hospitalized, some are
partially blinded, and pets and livestock are killed.

Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations
had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio
giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. There were no DJs or crew,
computers were running the station.

Doug Smith W9WI July 7th 03 02:04 PM

Maximo Lachman wrote:
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.


I've seen this story posted in several forums. And it brings up a question:

How many people are actually listening to the radio in Minot, North
Dakota at 1:30 in the morning??? Will I need *both* hands to count them?

Even if there *had* been people at the Minot radio stations, and they'd
promptly aired the warning, virtually nobody would have heard it.
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com


N8KDV July 7th 03 02:09 PM



Maximo Lachman wrote:

according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations. But no
one answers any of the phones for an hour and a half. According to the
New York Times, three hundred people are hospitalized, some are
partially blinded, and pets and livestock are killed.

Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations
had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio
giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. There were no DJs or crew,
computers were running the station.


I rather doubt it has anything to do with Clear Channel, or any other
large media operator. The truth is, many overnight operations are
automated.







N8KDV July 7th 03 02:40 PM



Maximo Lachman wrote:

according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations. But no
one answers any of the phones for an hour and a half. According to the
New York Times, three hundred people are hospitalized, some are
partially blinded, and pets and livestock are killed.

Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations
had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio
giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. There were no DJs or crew,
computers were running the station.


Scenario:

Maximo Lachman (whiny Canadian by profession), wakes up on July 7, 2003.
Realises it's a slow news day, and he has nothing to bitch about. Hit's
Google, and drags up a story from January, 2002. Bingo!

Instant Canadian rant....

What a ****in retard...

Did you try to emigrate to the USA and get turned away Maximo?



Diverd4777 July 7th 03 03:03 PM

In article ,
(Maximo Lachman) writes:

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations.


There is usually some automated dial system which could
call everyones phone. Apparantly it wasn't working

Fire sirens ??
Police cars going up & down the street with a blaring P.A. system ??
Knocking on doors ??


Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew?


-Doubtless in another city, monitoring everything from afar; taking care of
other problems..

Finally , ( and I'm sorry this all happened, )

the idea of expecting emergency warnings to eminate from some slick "Dot Comm"
is ludicrous . . .







David Eduardo July 7th 03 03:36 PM


"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
Maximo Lachman wrote:
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.


I've seen this story posted in several forums. And it brings up a

question:

How many people are actually listening to the radio in Minot, North
Dakota at 1:30 in the morning??? Will I need *both* hands to count them?

Even if there *had* been people at the Minot radio stations, and they'd
promptly aired the warning, virtually nobody would have heard it.


Even more crucial to the argument, no one in government knew how to activate
the EAS system, which would have made an automatic insertion of the warning
on all stations possible.

The stations were there and on the air with a system, EAS, at the ready. The
authorities had no clue how to use it.

And you are right. Nationally, at that hour, less than a half-percent of the
population is listening to the radio. What good would an announcement have
done anyway?



David Eduardo July 7th 03 03:42 PM


"Maximo Lachman" wrote in message
...
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations. But no
one answers any of the phones for an hour and a half. According to the
New York Times, three hundred people are hospitalized, some are
partially blinded, and pets and livestock are killed.

Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations
had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio
giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. There were no DJs or crew,
computers were running the station.


A. Less than a half-percent of Americans are listening to the radio at that
hour... in a small town, probably next to nobody.
B. The authorities had the ability to activate the EAS, and get a message on
the air from a central point. No one in local government thought to do this.
C. Most radio stations have been automated or are using syndicated fare in
overnights as of the 70's. The main reason for being on the air overnight in
most markets is to keep from having equipment failures at the beginning of
prime morning drive time.
D. Even before the 70's, many stations ran music with a board operator, not
an announcer.



N8KDV July 7th 03 04:36 PM



David Eduardo wrote:

"Jerry" wrote in message
.. .
So, if you lived in that small town and were one of the 'small few' that
happened to be listening to the radio, you wouldn't run out the door and
start holloring and tell everyone you could wake up to get the 'fuxk out

of
there', no, I guess you wouldn't, good neighbor you are !!! It only takes
'one' to get things going in a small town....


Yeah, but there is a system designed to do that, the EAS. And it was not
used by the authorities.


Whine ****ing whine... the gov't is supposed to protect you from everything...
Yada, yada, yada.....



Maximo Lachman July 7th 03 05:14 PM

"David Eduardo" ) writes:
"Maximo Lachman" wrote
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser


A. Less than a half-percent of Americans are listening to the radio at that
hour... in a small town, probably next to nobody.
B. The authorities had the ability to activate the EAS, and get a message on
the air from a central point. No one in local government thought to do this.
C. Most radio stations have been automated or are using syndicated fare in
overnights as of the 70's. The main reason for being on the air overnight in
most markets is to keep from having equipment failures at the beginning of
prime morning drive time.
D. Even before the 70's, many stations ran music with a board operator, not
an announcer.


You're missing the point of the quote, which is that paksplace likes to
use and/or cite rabble-rousing articles to get people motivated, and if
they had as significant an effect on crashing the FCC website as they
claimed, then their tactics seem to work. At least you didn't go shoot
me as if I had written the piece by Eli Pariser, Zionist extra-ordinaire.
No doubt the Yankistani boot-camp trained psychopaths on the NG will also
blame me for having to pay more taxes for federally funded programmes,
regulation and public services like EBS.

John Bartley K7AAY July 8th 03 08:24 PM

On 07 Jul 2003 14:03:10 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote:

In article ,

(Maximo Lachman) writes:

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations.


There is usually some automated dial system which could
call everyones phone. Apparantly it wasn't working


Not implemented in the majority of communities. Costs $$.

Snip
--
Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT.

WD4LCM July 9th 03 09:09 AM

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 11:36:21 -0400, N8KDV
wrote:


Whine ****ing whine... the gov't is supposed to protect you from everything...
Yada, yada, yada.....


Yeah...anyone not smart enough to spend their lives locked in a safe
room with bottled water and forever food and a gazillion rounds of
ammo deserves to die(?)

The government can't protect us from everything, but it should try to
protect us from some things. Particularly the most dangerous things.
And being able to communicate directly with the citizenry can go a
long way towards minimizing casualties.

The EAS is an important part of that. But having someone in direct
control of the station and can repeat and update inforation while the
emergency workers work on the emergency is clearly the best solution.

As far as tiny audiences go...when the 3 or 6 or 10 listeners start
calling people, yelling, whatever, along with the sirens...I'm sure
the ratings will shoot up REAL quick.

Broadcasters have the right to use a limited universal resource to
make a lot of money. I don't begrudge them that...I want to do it
myself someday. At the same time, common sense says they owe at least
a little bit to society...if nothing else than to keep their audience
alive so they can continue to listen.

RHF July 18th 03 04:48 AM

ML,

Hey, may be everyone in town should have been given a 'free'
Bell&Howell Shortwave Radio so that Washington DC could have broadcast
a "Special Alert" via shortwave directly to them.

What happen to the good old days to Alert the People of the Town:
* The Towns 'Civil Defense' Warning Siren would sound.
* Fire Station Bells and Sirens would Sound a Warning.
* Church Bells would Ring and Sound a Warning.
* Telephones would Ring as Neigbors and Families Passed the Word of
Warning.
* The Police Cars, Fire Trucks and others would simply drive down the
street with their sirens on and lights flashing to wake the people.

BUY NO . . .
We Have to Blame It All on the Evil FCC (Bad Government)
- - - and the equally Evil Clear Channel Communications (Big Business)

Honestly, it would appear that the Town of Minot needs to have an
Election and put public officials into office who know how to run a
'safe' little town properly.


NOTE: Looks like the two North Dakota Senators and Congressman under 8
years of President Bill Clinton did not diliver the goods.
- Kent Conrad, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Byron Dorgan, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Earl Pomeroy, Democrat - US Representative At Large - North Dakota.


Balanced Government is Good Government [.]
- A One Party System is Not Good Government.
- - A One Party System is About Maintaining the Political Power of the
Party.
- - - A One Party System is Inherently Corrupt.


The View from the Lower 48 ~ RHF
..
..
= = = (Maximo Lachman)
= = = wrote in message ...
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations. But no
one answers any of the phones for an hour and a half. According to the
New York Times, three hundred people are hospitalized, some are
partially blinded, and pets and livestock are killed.

Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations
had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio
giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. There were no DJs or crew,
computers were running the station.


Maximo Lachman July 18th 03 05:33 AM

why is it that only the Yankistanis on this NG are too functionally
illiterate to realise that Eli Pariser wrote the shtick that appears
on paksplace, and that I was only pointing the kind of rabble-rousing
rhetoric that one will find there? But at least give Eli credit
where credit is due: his rhetoric certainly succeeds at rousing the
rabble from the "lower" 48. (Guess that makes Canada the "higher 10" eh?)

RHF ) writes:
ML,

Hey, may be everyone in town should have been given a 'free'
Bell&Howell Shortwave Radio so that Washington DC could have broadcast
a "Special Alert" via shortwave directly to them.

What happen to the good old days to Alert the People of the Town:
* The Towns 'Civil Defense' Warning Siren would sound.
* Fire Station Bells and Sirens would Sound a Warning.
* Church Bells would Ring and Sound a Warning.
* Telephones would Ring as Neigbors and Families Passed the Word of
Warning.
* The Police Cars, Fire Trucks and others would simply drive down the
street with their sirens on and lights flashing to wake the people.

BUY NO . . .
We Have to Blame It All on the Evil FCC (Bad Government)
- - - and the equally Evil Clear Channel Communications (Big Business)

Honestly, it would appear that the Town of Minot needs to have an
Election and put public officials into office who know how to run a
'safe' little town properly.


NOTE: Looks like the two North Dakota Senators and Congressman under 8
years of President Bill Clinton did not diliver the goods.
- Kent Conrad, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Byron Dorgan, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Earl Pomeroy, Democrat - US Representative At Large - North Dakota.


Balanced Government is Good Government [.]
- A One Party System is Not Good Government.
- - A One Party System is About Maintaining the Political Power of the
Party.
- - - A One Party System is Inherently Corrupt.


The View from the Lower 48 ~ RHF
.
.
= = = (Maximo Lachman) wrote
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations. But no
one answers any of the phones for an hour and a half. According to the
New York Times, three hundred people are hospitalized, some are
partially blinded, and pets and livestock are killed.

Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations
had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio
giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. There were no DJs or crew,
computers were running the station.


RHF July 18th 03 02:18 PM

ML,

In the USofA there are Incorporated Areas and Un-Incorporated Areas.
- Most Americans,
- - Like to Think of the Canadian Provinces as . . .
- - - Yet to be Incorporated Areas.

So for Today We Are Simply Cousins.
- And Some Day . . .
- - We May Be Brothers !
- - - Isn't Family Great !


Its All 'Bout Time Eh! ~ RHF
..
..
= = = (Maximo Lachman)
= = = wrote in message ...
why is it that only the Yankistanis on this NG are too functionally
illiterate to realise that Eli Pariser wrote the shtick that appears
on paksplace, and that I was only pointing the kind of rabble-rousing
rhetoric that one will find there? But at least give Eli credit
where credit is due: his rhetoric certainly succeeds at rousing the
rabble from the "lower" 48. (Guess that makes Canada the "higher 10" eh?)

RHF ) writes:
ML,

Hey, may be everyone in town should have been given a 'free'
Bell&Howell Shortwave Radio so that Washington DC could have broadcast
a "Special Alert" via shortwave directly to them.

What happen to the good old days to Alert the People of the Town:
* The Towns 'Civil Defense' Warning Siren would sound.
* Fire Station Bells and Sirens would Sound a Warning.
* Church Bells would Ring and Sound a Warning.
* Telephones would Ring as Neigbors and Families Passed the Word of
Warning.
* The Police Cars, Fire Trucks and others would simply drive down the
street with their sirens on and lights flashing to wake the people.

BUY NO . . .
We Have to Blame It All on the Evil FCC (Bad Government)
- - - and the equally Evil Clear Channel Communications (Big Business)

Honestly, it would appear that the Town of Minot needs to have an
Election and put public officials into office who know how to run a
'safe' little town properly.


NOTE: Looks like the two North Dakota Senators and Congressman under 8
years of President Bill Clinton did not diliver the goods.
- Kent Conrad, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Byron Dorgan, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Earl Pomeroy, Democrat - US Representative At Large - North Dakota.


Balanced Government is Good Government [.]
- A One Party System is Not Good Government.
- - A One Party System is About Maintaining the Political Power of the
Party.
- - - A One Party System is Inherently Corrupt.


The View from the Lower 48 ~ RHF
.
.
= = =
(Maximo Lachman) wrote
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser
It's like something out of a nightmare, but it really happened:

At 1:30 on a cold January night, a train containing hundreds of
thousands of gallons of toxic ammonia derails in Minot, North Dakota.
Town officials try to sound the emergency alert system, but it isn't
working.

Desperate to warn townspeople about the poisonous white cloud bearing
down on them, the officials call their local radio stations. But no
one answers any of the phones for an hour and a half. According to the
New York Times, three hundred people are hospitalized, some are
partially blinded, and pets and livestock are killed.

Where were Minot's DJs on January 18th, 2002? Where was the late night
station crew? As it turns out, six of the seven local radio stations
had recently been purchased by Clear Channel Communications, a radio
giant with over 1,200 stations nationwide. There were no DJs or crew,
computers were running the station.


Maximo Lachman July 19th 03 03:35 PM

Why do y'all have a compulsion to earn the label "lower 48"?
(If it's to show why we're the "top ten" then such efforts are appreciated)

According to the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union, Canada
has the unilateral right to join the U.S. (presumably only as a single
state) since that provision was not altered by the Constitution.

RHF ) writes:
ML,

In the USofA there are Incorporated Areas and Un-Incorporated Areas.
- Most Americans,
- - Like to Think of the Canadian Provinces as . . .
- - - Yet to be Incorporated Areas.

So for Today We Are Simply Cousins.
- And Some Day . . .
- - We May Be Brothers !
- - - Isn't Family Great !


Its All 'Bout Time Eh! ~ RHF
.
.
= = = (Maximo Lachman)
why is it that only the Yankistanis on this NG are too functionally
illiterate to realise that Eli Pariser wrote the shtick that appears
on paksplace, and that I was only pointing the kind of rabble-rousing
rhetoric that one will find there? But at least give Eli credit
where credit is due: his rhetoric certainly succeeds at rousing the
rabble from the "lower" 48. (Guess that makes Canada the "higher 10" eh?)

RHF ) writes:
ML,

Hey, may be everyone in town should have been given a 'free'
Bell&Howell Shortwave Radio so that Washington DC could have broadcast
a "Special Alert" via shortwave directly to them.

What happen to the good old days to Alert the People of the Town:
* The Towns 'Civil Defense' Warning Siren would sound.
* Fire Station Bells and Sirens would Sound a Warning.
* Church Bells would Ring and Sound a Warning.
* Telephones would Ring as Neigbors and Families Passed the Word of
Warning.
* The Police Cars, Fire Trucks and others would simply drive down the
street with their sirens on and lights flashing to wake the people.

BUY NO . . .
We Have to Blame It All on the Evil FCC (Bad Government)
- - - and the equally Evil Clear Channel Communications (Big Business)

Honestly, it would appear that the Town of Minot needs to have an
Election and put public officials into office who know how to run a
'safe' little town properly.


NOTE: Looks like the two North Dakota Senators and Congressman under 8
years of President Bill Clinton did not diliver the goods.
- Kent Conrad, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Byron Dorgan, Democrat - US Senator - North Dakota.
- Earl Pomeroy, Democrat - US Representative At Large - North Dakota.


Balanced Government is Good Government [.]
- A One Party System is Not Good Government.
- - A One Party System is About Maintaining the Political Power of the
Party.
- - - A One Party System is Inherently Corrupt.


The View from the Lower 48 ~ RHF
.
.
= = =
(Maximo Lachman) wrote
according to:
http://www.paksplace.com/alert-details.htm
which has the following story also:

WHY WORRY ABOUT WHO OWNS THE MEDIA?
MoveOn Bulletin Op-Ed by Eli Pariser




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