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Dentistguy November 16th 03 10:26 PM

"Emergency" SW radios
 
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions? Thanks.

Stinger November 16th 03 10:56 PM

I have the Grundig FR-200, and it's one of my favorite radios (probably the
best $40 I ever spent).

That said, you should look at the "Freeplay Plus" at C.Crane. I've never
used one, but I do have their CC Radio Plus, and it's a very high quality
radio. It has a crank mechanism, but also the option of solar power. See
it he http://www.ccrane.com/freeplay_plus.asp

-- Stinger

"Dentistguy" wrote in message
...
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios

available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended

power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions?

Thanks.



Jim Douglas November 17th 03 12:44 PM

Grundig $40.00 - "Freeplay Plus" $100+ . I wonder what the big difference
between them besides the LED light and such? Is the Plus worth that much
more? Anyone have one?

"Dentistguy" wrote in message
...
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios

available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended

power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions?

Thanks.



Frank White November 17th 03 03:10 PM

In article ,
says...

I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios

available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended

power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

The FR-200 is my choice of emergency radio. Sturdy, multi-powered,
sensitive enough to bring in distant stations, adequate sound...
And, of course, cheap enough so you can buy several and keep one
in all the places you might be (car, home, work) where you might
NEED an emergency radio.

FW


Diverd4777 November 17th 03 06:25 PM

- Still like the Jwin JX-M14.

If you really need a radio with a crank because all the stores that sell
batteries
have been blown away by an apocalypse,
or
washed to sea by 1,000 Foot Tsunamis,

- Your screwed anyway.!

The separate flashlight / Small AM/FM/SW radio combo worked fine for me during
the last blackout..

http://store.yahoo.com/kb-electronics/jx-m14.html

Dan

In article Ao3ub.172180$275.548893@attbi_s53, "Jim Douglas"
writes:



Grundig $40.00 - "Freeplay Plus" $100+ . I wonder what the big difference
between them besides the LED light and such? Is the Plus worth that much
more? Anyone have one?

"Dentistguy" wrote in message
...
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios

available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended

power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions?

Thanks.






Stinger November 17th 03 08:39 PM

No, no, no, NO, Dan!

You miss the point.....this is a great excuse to buy another radio!

;^)

-- Stinger

"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...
- Still like the Jwin JX-M14.

If you really need a radio with a crank because all the stores that sell
batteries
have been blown away by an apocalypse,
or
washed to sea by 1,000 Foot Tsunamis,

- Your screwed anyway.!

The separate flashlight / Small AM/FM/SW radio combo worked fine for me

during
the last blackout..

http://store.yahoo.com/kb-electronics/jx-m14.html

Dan

In article Ao3ub.172180$275.548893@attbi_s53, "Jim Douglas"
writes:



Grundig $40.00 - "Freeplay Plus" $100+ . I wonder what the big

difference
between them besides the LED light and such? Is the Plus worth that much
more? Anyone have one?

"Dentistguy" wrote in message
...
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios

available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for

extended
power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions?

Thanks.








Geoffrey S. Mendelson November 17th 03 09:21 PM

In article , Diverd4777 wrote:

If you really need a radio with a crank because all the stores that sell
batteries
have been blown away by an apocalypse,
or
washed to sea by 1,000 Foot Tsunamis,

- Your screwed anyway.!


They may still be there, but impossible to get to. I live in Jersualem.
During the last gulf war, we carried gas masks and outfited sealed rooms.
I carried my gas mask in a gym bag, along with a small radio (with a speaker)
a flashlight, a pack of wet wipes and a small camera.

At home, I had an FR-200. I bought it because we could be sitting in our
sealed room for hours while the radio played loud enough for everyone to
hear.

Most likely we would still have modern conviences, such as electricity,
cable tv and internet. But if the electricty went out, being able to sit
by the light from the radio hearing a human voice from the outside would
be essential. There might have been a hundred AA batteries in another room,
but we could not get to them, nor could we light a candle.

As for stores being closed, even an inch of snow closes the schools here.
No snow tires, no snow plows, and very steep hills. It's gone completely
in a day or two, but while it's here, it's a mess.

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson 972-54-608-069
Icq/AIM Uin: 2661079 MSN IM:
(Not for email)



Sanjaya November 17th 03 10:25 PM

"Dentistguy" wrote...
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions? Thanks.


I've been reading all the great replies to this post, and
know I want to buy an "emergency" radio too. The
Kaito KA008 looks pretty good to me, but does anyone
own one and care to give an evaluation.
http://www.kaitousa.com/KA007D.htm
I'm also reminded of a post I made many months ago...
asking about a blurb I saw in the 2003 Passport.
On page 104 of the 2003 issue, at the bottom of the
"Coming Up" box, it says "Emergencies? Look for the forthcoming
appearance of a new digitally tuned windup/solar powered travel
portable, reportedly engineered for serious performance."
As far as I know, no one knew what that referred to when I
posted the question... so I ask again... anyone know what radio
they're referring too? None of the "emergency" radios I've seen
seem like they are serious performers.



Stinger November 17th 03 10:41 PM

That would just about have to be the Freeplay Summit radio from C. Crane.
It's smaller than the Freeplay Plus, but is digitally tuned and works on
solar or wind-up.

You can see it he
http://www.ccrane.com/freeplay_summi...adio_index.asp

I notice they have a new one called the Freeplay Ranger, too.

-- Stinger

"Sanjaya" wrote in message
nk.net...
"Dentistguy" wrote...
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios

available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended

power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

I've been reading all the great replies to this post, and
know I want to buy an "emergency" radio too. The
Kaito KA008 looks pretty good to me, but does anyone
own one and care to give an evaluation.
http://www.kaitousa.com/KA007D.htm
I'm also reminded of a post I made many months ago...
asking about a blurb I saw in the 2003 Passport.
On page 104 of the 2003 issue, at the bottom of the
"Coming Up" box, it says "Emergencies? Look for the forthcoming
appearance of a new digitally tuned windup/solar powered travel
portable, reportedly engineered for serious performance."
As far as I know, no one knew what that referred to when I
posted the question... so I ask again... anyone know what radio
they're referring too? None of the "emergency" radios I've seen
seem like they are serious performers.





RHF November 17th 03 11:02 PM

FO&A,

The Grundig F200 is made by Tecsun in China
and sold there as the Tecsun Green 88.
http://www.tecsun.com.cn/english/pro...8/green-88.htm
http://www.tecsun.com.cn/product/138/138-2.htm

Tecsun has now updated and released a newer model
of "GREEN" Radio as reported by RadioIntel.Com.
Its is called the Tecsun Green-138.
- - - Will this replace the Grundig RF-200?
http://www.radiointel.com/oldnews.htm
- - - Photo Image of the Tecsun Green-138 (Chinese)
http://www.tecsun.com.cn/product/138/138-1.htm


~ RHF
..
..
= = = "Jim Douglas"
= = = wrote in message news:Ao3ub.172180$275.548893@attbi_s53...
Grundig $40.00 - "Freeplay Plus" $100+ . I wonder what the big difference
between them besides the LED light and such? Is the Plus worth that much
more? Anyone have one?

"Dentistguy" wrote in message
...
I'd like to hear opinions on any of the "emergency" short wave radios

available
that have alternative energy sources, such as hand-cranking for extended

power
outages. I've seen Grundig FR 200, Kaito KA 008. Any suggestions?

Thanks.


Diverd4777 November 17th 03 11:42 PM

Thanks Geoff, Point taken.
We do live in an increasingly creepy world;

I carry a small flashlight everywhere,
& should add a tiny SW radio to the mix
Currently carry a Sangean DT 110 around,
I like the Digital display & memories.
If something that size had SW, digital memories & was cheap,
I'd get one in a heartbeat.

During 9/11 we had it during "The Walk Home.";

- & thats how I found out that the Huge Cloud way downtown
was the remains of the WTC...
And the remains of 3,000 people...

Dan



In article ,
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:


In article , Diverd4777 wrote:

If you really need a radio with a crank because all the stores that sell
batteries
have been blown away by an apocalypse,
or
washed to sea by 1,000 Foot Tsunamis,

- Your screwed anyway.!


They may still be there, but impossible to get to. I live in Jersualem.
During the last gulf war, we carried gas masks and outfited sealed rooms.
I carried my gas mask in a gym bag, along with a small radio (with a speaker)
a flashlight, a pack of wet wipes and a small camera.

At home, I had an FR-200. I bought it because we could be sitting in our
sealed room for hours while the radio played loud enough for everyone to
hear.

Most likely we would still have modern conviences, such as electricity,
cable tv and internet. But if the electricty went out, being able to sit
by the light from the radio hearing a human voice from the outside would
be essential. There might have been a hundred AA batteries in another room,
but we could not get to them, nor could we light a candle.

As for stores being closed, even an inch of snow closes the schools here.
No snow tires, no snow plows, and very steep hills. It's gone completely
in a day or two, but while it's here, it's a mess.

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson
972-54-608-069
Icq/AIM Uin: 2661079 MSN IM:
(Not for email)






tommyknocker November 17th 03 11:52 PM

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

In article , Diverd4777 wrote:

If you really need a radio with a crank because all the stores that sell
batteries
have been blown away by an apocalypse,
or
washed to sea by 1,000 Foot Tsunamis,

- Your screwed anyway.!


They may still be there, but impossible to get to. I live in Jersualem.
During the last gulf war, we carried gas masks and outfited sealed rooms.
I carried my gas mask in a gym bag, along with a small radio (with a speaker)
a flashlight, a pack of wet wipes and a small camera.

At home, I had an FR-200. I bought it because we could be sitting in our
sealed room for hours while the radio played loud enough for everyone to
hear.

Most likely we would still have modern conviences, such as electricity,
cable tv and internet. But if the electricty went out, being able to sit
by the light from the radio hearing a human voice from the outside would
be essential. There might have been a hundred AA batteries in another room,
but we could not get to them, nor could we light a candle.

As for stores being closed, even an inch of snow closes the schools here.
No snow tires, no snow plows, and very steep hills. It's gone completely
in a day or two, but while it's here, it's a mess.

Geoff.


But you still had electricity in your sealed room, correct? Or was the
electricity totally shut off in a "war blackout" like New York and San
Francisco did during World War 2 to prevent enemy bombers from seeing
their targets? In that case, I would think that outfitting your sealed
room with adequate batteries would be a must. Also, I would think that
in the event of a real war (not an intifada) like the Yom Kippur War
where Israel was being bombed that electricity could be easily cut off,
thus necessitating a non-AC radio. Larry Magne in Passport 2004 gave
relatively high marks to the Freeplay Summit which is powered by
cranking a small alternator instead of the spring wound generator like
the original Freeplays. Is it available in Israel?


tommyknocker November 18th 03 02:08 AM

Diverd4777 wrote:

Thanks Geoff, Point taken.
We do live in an increasingly creepy world;

I carry a small flashlight everywhere,
& should add a tiny SW radio to the mix
Currently carry a Sangean DT 110 around,
I like the Digital display & memories.
If something that size had SW, digital memories & was cheap,
I'd get one in a heartbeat.


Look at the new generation of Chinese SW portables reviewed in 2004
Passport. They may be a little bigger than your mini Sangean, but if
AM/FM/TV went out and you were trapped someplace, they would be nice to
have.

During 9/11 we had it during "The Walk Home.";

- & thats how I found out that the Huge Cloud way downtown
was the remains of the WTC...
And the remains of 3,000 people...


I believe that most New York media outlets had transmission facilities
on top of WTC 2, along with cell phone repeaters and a bunch of other
stuff. IIRC most domestic media in the New York area was out of service
for quite a while. (I do remember that channel 4 had the entire 104th
floor.)


Dan



In article ,
(Geoffrey S. Mendelson) writes:


In article , Diverd4777 wrote:

If you really need a radio with a crank because all the stores that sell
batteries
have been blown away by an apocalypse,
or
washed to sea by 1,000 Foot Tsunamis,

- Your screwed anyway.!


They may still be there, but impossible to get to. I live in Jersualem.
During the last gulf war, we carried gas masks and outfited sealed rooms.
I carried my gas mask in a gym bag, along with a small radio (with a speaker)
a flashlight, a pack of wet wipes and a small camera.

At home, I had an FR-200. I bought it because we could be sitting in our
sealed room for hours while the radio played loud enough for everyone to
hear.

Most likely we would still have modern conviences, such as electricity,
cable tv and internet. But if the electricty went out, being able to sit
by the light from the radio hearing a human voice from the outside would
be essential. There might have been a hundred AA batteries in another room,
but we could not get to them, nor could we light a candle.

As for stores being closed, even an inch of snow closes the schools here.
No snow tires, no snow plows, and very steep hills. It's gone completely
in a day or two, but while it's here, it's a mess.

Geoff.


--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson
972-54-608-069
Icq/AIM Uin: 2661079 MSN IM:
(Not for email)







Dentistguy November 18th 03 02:37 AM

I must have hit on something here. I've been wondering about that Kaito, too.
The description seems spot on, but I haven't seen much information... it seems
like it might be a decent second radio as well as one for the "apocalypse".
I'm looking forward to more dialogue on this subject.

WShoots1 November 18th 03 03:29 AM

Dan: Still like the Jwin JX-M14.

Me, too. It's easy on batteries. When they can no longer properly support
operation of my eTR7, I use those batteries (actually two AA dry cells) to
power the jWIN for a few more hours of operation. G

I just wish the jWIN had one more SW band on the low end.

Bill, K5BY

Diverd4777 November 18th 03 12:21 PM

In article ,
(WShoots1) writes:

Dan: Still like the Jwin JX-M14.

Me, too. It's easy on batteries. When they can no longer properly support
operation of my eTR7, I use those batteries (actually two AA dry cells) to
power the jWIN for a few more hours of operation. G

I just wish the jWIN had one more SW band on the low end.

Bill, K5BY


Been using the JWIN for an FM radio ;
sending the signals through PC speakers.
The battery life is very good
and the digital read out is a big advantage over other small sets.

It Will pick up 12.095 ( BBC Via AScension Island) off the whip,
so it meets my needs as far as seneitivity goes.
Selectivity? It's only one IF, so at times it overloads with local stations
showing up on Shortwave..
STIL, all in all, its a great little set for $15



WShoots1 November 19th 03 05:02 AM

I pick up all kinds of SW stuff on my jWIN, using just the whip, and I live in
a metal-sheathed mobilehome.

The audio is crisp in the voice range, so speech as well as piano and horn
music sound great on it. Yes, I use mine on FM quite a bit, too.

I have a spare set of computer speakers. Their power supply isn't portable, but
the ones I have on the computer now are. I just might switch the speakers
around, so my jWIN music system will be portable. G

Bill, K5BY

Jim Hackett November 19th 03 05:52 AM

Interesting. I also live in a faraday cage, (ALUMINUM MOBILE HOME) and I
don't get any signals much less than 88 mhz that can find their way in
through the windows. Ok, I can get the local blowtorch M.W. stations
indoors, but pulling in WWV or any of the H.F. powerhouses on any radio on
it's whip (inside) is impossible...



"WShoots1" wrote in message
...
I pick up all kinds of SW stuff on my jWIN, using just the whip, and I

live in
a metal-sheathed mobilehome.

The audio is crisp in the voice range, so speech as well as piano and horn
music sound great on it. Yes, I use mine on FM quite a bit, too.

I have a spare set of computer speakers. Their power supply isn't

portable, but
the ones I have on the computer now are. I just might switch the speakers
around, so my jWIN music system will be portable. G

Bill, K5BY




November 24th 03 07:55 PM

Sanjaya wrote:
know I want to buy an "emergency" radio too. The
Kaito KA008 looks pretty good to me, but does anyone
own one and care to give an evaluation.
http://www.kaitousa.com/KA007D.htm


I've got two of what looks to be the same radio except that
it's analog, not digital--an earlier model? I got these
for $20 each from a web discounter. I've got a couple of
other solar/crank radios as well. I find them VERY handy--
one (AM/FM only) lives in my garage. I can listen to the
radio while I'm working in the garage, on solar power, and
don't have to plug in the radio or keep batteries in it.
Where I live, we lose power fairly occasionally, and it IS
a good idea to have plenty of batteries, but I really like
having a couple of radios to hand that don't NEED batteries.

(And I just ordered a solar charging panel for my 80AH
and several 17AH gel-cells for my ham rigs. :-) "Be
prepared" is good advice, IMO!)

_______________________________________________
Ken Kuzenski AC4RD kuzen001 at acpub .duke .edu
_______________________________________________
All disclaimers apply, see? www.duke.edu/~kuzen001


Sanjaya November 25th 03 09:10 PM


wrote...
Sanjaya wrote:
know I want to buy an "emergency" radio too. The
Kaito KA008 looks pretty good to me, but does anyone
own one and care to give an evaluation.
http://www.kaitousa.com/KA007D.htm


I've got two of what looks to be the same radio except that
it's analog, not digital--an earlier model? I got these
for $20 each from a web discounter. I've got a couple of
other solar/crank radios as well. I find them VERY handy--
one (AM/FM only) lives in my garage. I can listen to the
radio while I'm working in the garage, on solar power, and
don't have to plug in the radio or keep batteries in it.
Where I live, we lose power fairly occasionally, and it IS
a good idea to have plenty of batteries, but I really like
having a couple of radios to hand that don't NEED batteries.

(And I just ordered a solar charging panel for my 80AH
and several 17AH gel-cells for my ham rigs. :-) "Be
prepared" is good advice, IMO!)

_______________________________________________
Ken Kuzenski AC4RD kuzen001 at acpub .duke .edu
_______________________________________________
All disclaimers apply, see? www.duke.edu/~kuzen001


Thanks Ken. I'm seriously considering the Kaito KA008.



[email protected] November 26th 03 05:18 AM



HI, Guys,
One of the best of those alternate-powered "emergency" sortwave-capable
radios is not being made and sold anymore. That was the one sold by Radio
Shack as the Optimus Alternative Power Multiband Radio. It was sturdily
built, had an easy-turning crank that yielded a very respectible playing
time with about 90 seconds of turning. It has the North American AM
Broadcast band, (medium wave), broadcast FM, the NOAA (National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration) weather band, and 6 SW bands, covering the
broadcast band portions only of 49, 41, 31, 25, 13, and 16 meter bands.
Radio Shack sold it for around $60 and quietly discontinued it some time
last year.

The FreePlay Ranger is the current implementation of the older FreePlay
models with AM and FM broadcast only, no shortwave. It has the strong
spring-wound FreePlay crank which dumps power into a built-in battery pack
and the radio plays off the battery. I believe this one has the solar panel
so it can be powered by bright sunlight, or bright light sources such as
strong light bulbs, and it can be powered from an optional accessory
external AC/mains power adapter, the ubiquitous "wall wart".

The FreePlay Plus is the largest, heaviest, sturdiest, and most variably
alternatively powered of the current crop of "emergency" SW receivers. It
weighs around five pounds, has astrong LED flashlight in one end, has MW,
FM, and SW coverage. SW coverage is from 3-10 MHz on one band, and from
10-18 MHz on the other band. MW (AM broadcast) is from about 530-1710 KHz,
and FM covers from 88.0-108.0 MHz.

Power is from the Baylis clockwork generator which charges a built-in
battery pack; or a large solar panel on top of the radio, or by AC power
through an extra-cost optional adapter. The adapter can also charge the
built-in battery pack, which, they say will run for 40 hours on a full
charge.

A hefty 60-second full wind of the crank will run the radio for about an
hour, depending on the volume level.

The Kaito model offers everything__all the power sources, including optional
regular AA batteries; the hand-cranked dynamo to charge built-in batteries;
a solar panel; and an AC power adapter which is also supplied with the unit.
You also get a pair of earbud headphones and a long-wire external antenna
with the Kaito. You get SW on three or four bands, plus FM coverage that
gives you the audio for TV channels 2-13 plus weather radio frequencies, and
most of the rest of the VHF spectrum between about 142 and 174 MHz. It's a
cheap radio circuitry and you get so much out-of-band imaging and overload,
that it's hard sometimes to really know what band you're actually hearing,
despite what the display claims depending on your chosen band settings.

Though it has no SW coverage, the Coleman OutRider, available from Universal
Radio and other places, is the most ruggedly built of all the
alternative-powered radios on the market at the moment. It has a solar
cell, and an easily-turned dynamo crank that gives you the longest playing
time with the least cranking of all these radios. The AC power adapter can
charge the built-in battery. AM and FM performance are about average among
radios designed to actually sell almost everywhere in the
under-one-hundred-dollar price range.

Most of the points made in this thread so far about the FR-200, I generally
concur with. It's a good little 40-dollar radio, and I was actually
surprised at the MW coverage. It earned itself a spot on a very short list
of radios that can actually hear and receive CHWO from Toronto on 740 KHz at
night, in this faraday cage where I live. Oh, 750 KHz is occupied by WSB in
Atlanta, and the public transit systems here in Atlanta could take me from
my door to the studios of WSB in less than 30 minutes. None of my other
alternate-powered radios can receive CHWO here on any night, even well
enough to cause one to suspect that a signal is even present at that spot on
the dial--forget about actually identifying it and extracting enough
information to convince a possible QSL-card provider that you actually
listened to the station. Just in case you wonder, the much-vaunted C. Crane
CC Radio, original model, has yet to detect CHWO at this location. The
Grundig S-350, the Satellit 400, the Satellit 700, the Satellit 210/6001,
the Kenwood R-1000, and the AM receiver in the Yamaha CR-2040 "Natural
Sound" Stereo Receiver, can all hear CHWO most nights in this Faraday cage
location.

Were I to rate the current crop of alternative power SW capable receivers
based on how well they actually do most of what they were designed to do, I
would probably choose something about like this order, starting with the
best and working downward. Some of the radios do some things better than
other models do the same thing:

FreePlay Plus, available for $99.99 from C. Crane Company--large, heavy,
multiple power sources, fine tuning control which works on all bands;
respectible FM coverage, but subject to overload from nearby strong signals;
very good MW coverage, but subject to interference from external noise
sources on the lower part of the band; surprisingly good SW coverage through
the full rage of 3-18 MHz.

Grundig FR-200 (Tecsun Green 88): small, light, easy to carry, with a nice
canvas-type carry case with a shoulder strap, and the radio has a nice
carrying handle. The fine tuning control works well. MW performance is
surprisingly good, even for semi-serious DX work at night. FM is average
with slight overload from strong nearby FM signals. SW reception is good on
the lower band once you get used to tuning in a crowded band and figure out
the quirks of the slight dial backlash as you tune. The higher of the two
SW bands is basically useless above about 16 MHz.

The Coleman OutRider doesn't do short wave, but it's a solid, easily
cranked, fairly respectible MW and FM broadcast radio, although the
bandwidth filter is too wide to let you DX with it.

Sony still sells a small AM/FM-only dynamo-cranked radio with an obnoxiously
loud emergency alarm, a light, and a small crank that's easy to turn once
you get a good hold on its small crank. It's about half the size and weight
of the Coleman model, and at its list price of $99.99, it's priced very much
out of line with the competition. Get used to its crowded dial, and its
signal reception is actually quite good for the class.

The Optimus Self-Powered multiband emergency radio is a real emergency unit,
since it has the NOAA weather band coverage. It also has a loud emergency
alarm and a light. Its coverage is fair to good on the 49, 31, 25, and 19
meter bands; FM is about average, and MW reception is quite good. It
receives NOAA reather radio signals better than many purpose-built dedicated
weather radio receivers, being matched in receiving ability only by the
weather-radio band of that CC Radio, original model among the radios I have.

The Kaito KA-007 would really be nice if its FM and VHF bands did not
receive every strong signal on all of its FM and VHF bands indiscriminately.
The AM section is actually fairly good, with the MW reception being the
best feature of the radio. It is small and light, but its odd shape and
size, combined with the long and flimsy crank handle makes it less
comfortable to crank the dynamo very long, and it needs quite a bit of
cranking to build up much playing time. You might find yourself using
regular batteries, AC power, or maybe a strong light source for its
back-mounted solar collector, more often than the cynamo crank.

The FreePlay Summit is a cheap Chinese direct-entry "digitally tuned"
single-conversion receiver mated to the FreePlay dynamo drive mechanism. If
you like a digital display, push-buton frequency entry, some station
memories, and push-button up/down scanning capabilities and want the
alternative power, the Summit might be what you want to get. I have not
seen or used it, so I can speak to the convenience and comfort of its crank
operation, or how well it actually receives signals in the spectrum claimed
on the display scales.

I saw quality-control problems and sample-specific flaws in two different
FreePlay Plus units I bought a couple of years ago and returned each radio
in turn because of them. Otherwise, I liked the radio. Now that production
of even this last of the South African-made FreePlay radios has now moved to
China, I'm hoping the quality control may have actually improved. I may
acquire another one to find out.

Reply to:
Brent Reynolds, Atlanta, GA USA

Igor Gros December 12th 03 08:26 AM

I got an "TECSUN 88 GREEN POWER",
dynamo powered outdoor radio last week.
It is relatively cheap, but it works great even
without batteries.
Is is astonished what those people from China
can produce nowadays.
Maybe there are only robots ? ;-)

wrote:

HI, Guys,
One of the best of those alternate-powered "emergency" sortwave-capable
radios is not being made and sold anymore. That was the one sold by Radio
Shack as the Optimus Alternative Power Multiband Radio. It was sturdily
built, had an easy-turning crank that yielded a very respectible playing
time with about 90 seconds of turning. It has the North American AM
Broadcast band, (medium wave), broadcast FM, the NOAA (National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration) weather band, and 6 SW bands, covering the
broadcast band portions only of 49, 41, 31, 25, 13, and 16 meter bands.
Radio Shack sold it for around $60 and quietly discontinued it some time
last year.

The FreePlay Ranger is the current implementation of the older FreePlay
models with AM and FM broadcast only, no shortwave. It has the strong
spring-wound FreePlay crank which dumps power into a built-in battery pack
and the radio plays off the battery. I believe this one has the solar panel
so it can be powered by bright sunlight, or bright light sources such as
strong light bulbs, and it can be powered from an optional accessory
external AC/mains power adapter, the ubiquitous "wall wart".

The FreePlay Plus is the largest, heaviest, sturdiest, and most variably
alternatively powered of the current crop of "emergency" SW receivers. It
weighs around five pounds, has astrong LED flashlight in one end, has MW,
FM, and SW coverage. SW coverage is from 3-10 MHz on one band, and from
10-18 MHz on the other band. MW (AM broadcast) is from about 530-1710 KHz,
and FM covers from 88.0-108.0 MHz.

Power is from the Baylis clockwork generator which charges a built-in
battery pack; or a large solar panel on top of the radio, or by AC power
through an extra-cost optional adapter. The adapter can also charge the
built-in battery pack, which, they say will run for 40 hours on a full
charge.

A hefty 60-second full wind of the crank will run the radio for about an
hour, depending on the volume level.

The Kaito model offers everything__all the power sources, including optional
regular AA batteries; the hand-cranked dynamo to charge built-in batteries;
a solar panel; and an AC power adapter which is also supplied with the unit.
You also get a pair of earbud headphones and a long-wire external antenna
with the Kaito. You get SW on three or four bands, plus FM coverage that
gives you the audio for TV channels 2-13 plus weather radio frequencies, and
most of the rest of the VHF spectrum between about 142 and 174 MHz. It's a
cheap radio circuitry and you get so much out-of-band imaging and overload,
that it's hard sometimes to really know what band you're actually hearing,
despite what the display claims depending on your chosen band settings.

Though it has no SW coverage, the Coleman OutRider, available from Universal
Radio and other places, is the most ruggedly built of all the
alternative-powered radios on the market at the moment. It has a solar
cell, and an easily-turned dynamo crank that gives you the longest playing
time with the least cranking of all these radios. The AC power adapter can
charge the built-in battery. AM and FM performance are about average among
radios designed to actually sell almost everywhere in the
under-one-hundred-dollar price range.

Most of the points made in this thread so far about the FR-200, I generally
concur with. It's a good little 40-dollar radio, and I was actually
surprised at the MW coverage. It earned itself a spot on a very short list
of radios that can actually hear and receive CHWO from Toronto on 740 KHz at
night, in this faraday cage where I live. Oh, 750 KHz is occupied by WSB in
Atlanta, and the public transit systems here in Atlanta could take me from
my door to the studios of WSB in less than 30 minutes. None of my other
alternate-powered radios can receive CHWO here on any night, even well
enough to cause one to suspect that a signal is even present at that spot on
the dial--forget about actually identifying it and extracting enough
information to convince a possible QSL-card provider that you actually
listened to the station. Just in case you wonder, the much-vaunted C. Crane
CC Radio, original model, has yet to detect CHWO at this location. The
Grundig S-350, the Satellit 400, the Satellit 700, the Satellit 210/6001,
the Kenwood R-1000, and the AM receiver in the Yamaha CR-2040 "Natural
Sound" Stereo Receiver, can all hear CHWO most nights in this Faraday cage
location.

Were I to rate the current crop of alternative power SW capable receivers
based on how well they actually do most of what they were designed to do, I
would probably choose something about like this order, starting with the
best and working downward. Some of the radios do some things better than
other models do the same thing:

FreePlay Plus, available for $99.99 from C. Crane Company--large, heavy,
multiple power sources, fine tuning control which works on all bands;
respectible FM coverage, but subject to overload from nearby strong signals;
very good MW coverage, but subject to interference from external noise
sources on the lower part of the band; surprisingly good SW coverage through
the full rage of 3-18 MHz.

Grundig FR-200 (Tecsun Green 88): small, light, easy to carry, with a nice
canvas-type carry case with a shoulder strap, and the radio has a nice
carrying handle. The fine tuning control works well. MW performance is
surprisingly good, even for semi-serious DX work at night. FM is average
with slight overload from strong nearby FM signals. SW reception is good on
the lower band once you get used to tuning in a crowded band and figure out
the quirks of the slight dial backlash as you tune. The higher of the two
SW bands is basically useless above about 16 MHz.

The Coleman OutRider doesn't do short wave, but it's a solid, easily
cranked, fairly respectible MW and FM broadcast radio, although the
bandwidth filter is too wide to let you DX with it.

Sony still sells a small AM/FM-only dynamo-cranked radio with an obnoxiously
loud emergency alarm, a light, and a small crank that's easy to turn once
you get a good hold on its small crank. It's about half the size and weight
of the Coleman model, and at its list price of $99.99, it's priced very much
out of line with the competition. Get used to its crowded dial, and its
signal reception is actually quite good for the class.

The Optimus Self-Powered multiband emergency radio is a real emergency unit,
since it has the NOAA weather band coverage. It also has a loud emergency
alarm and a light. Its coverage is fair to good on the 49, 31, 25, and 19
meter bands; FM is about average, and MW reception is quite good. It
receives NOAA reather radio signals better than many purpose-built dedicated
weather radio receivers, being matched in receiving ability only by the
weather-radio band of that CC Radio, original model among the radios I have.

The Kaito KA-007 would really be nice if its FM and VHF bands did not
receive every strong signal on all of its FM and VHF bands indiscriminately.
The AM section is actually fairly good, with the MW reception being the
best feature of the radio. It is small and light, but its odd shape and
size, combined with the long and flimsy crank handle makes it less
comfortable to crank the dynamo very long, and it needs quite a bit of
cranking to build up much playing time. You might find yourself using
regular batteries, AC power, or maybe a strong light source for its
back-mounted solar collector, more often than the cynamo crank.

The FreePlay Summit is a cheap Chinese direct-entry "digitally tuned"
single-conversion receiver mated to the FreePlay dynamo drive mechanism. If
you like a digital display, push-buton frequency entry, some station
memories, and push-button up/down scanning capabilities and want the
alternative power, the Summit might be what you want to get. I have not
seen or used it, so I can speak to the convenience and comfort of its crank
operation, or how well it actually receives signals in the spectrum claimed
on the display scales.

I saw quality-control problems and sample-specific flaws in two different
FreePlay Plus units I bought a couple of years ago and returned each radio
in turn because of them. Otherwise, I liked the radio. Now that production
of even this last of the South African-made FreePlay radios has now moved to
China, I'm hoping the quality control may have actually improved. I may
acquire another one to find out.

Reply to:

Brent Reynolds, Atlanta, GA USA



RHF December 13th 03 03:07 AM

IG,

The Tecsun Green 88 "Field" Radio is sold in the USA/Canada by
Grundig North America (ETON Corp.) as the "Grundig FR200".
http://www.grundigradio.com/asp/Prod...ction=overview

Eton's Grundig FR200 Receives "Good Housekeeping's" GOOD BUY Award
The Grundig FR200 provides access to information and light when its
needed most.
GoTo= http://www.grundigradio.com/asp/december4.asp

FWIW: Tecsun has a 'newer' GREEN (Environmentally Friendly) Radio;
the Tecsun Green 138 has many good features and full coverage
from 3.2 MHz to 22 MHz
- - - NO Gap between 7.6-9.2 MHz as with the Green 88.
http://www.tecsun.com.cn/product/138/138-1.htm

The Tecsun GREEN 138 has a Slightly 'smaller' Vertical Format.
- - - More Portable at 88% of the Size and Weight of the Green 88.

Take a Look at eBay Item # 3064720193
= = = "NIB TECSUN GREEN-138 FM/MW/SW EMERGENCY RADIO"


ihtth ~ RHF
..
..
= = = Igor Gros wrote in message ...
I got an "TECSUN 88 GREEN POWER",
dynamo powered outdoor radio last week.
It is relatively cheap, but it works great even
without batteries.
Is is astonished what those people from China
can produce nowadays.
Maybe there are only robots ? ;-)

wrote:

HI, Guys,
One of the best of those alternate-powered "emergency" sortwave-capable
radios is not being made and sold anymore. That was the one sold by Radio
Shack as the Optimus Alternative Power Multiband Radio. It was sturdily
built, had an easy-turning crank that yielded a very respectible playing
time with about 90 seconds of turning. It has the North American AM
Broadcast band, (medium wave), broadcast FM, the NOAA (National Oceanic and
Atmospheric Administration) weather band, and 6 SW bands, covering the
broadcast band portions only of 49, 41, 31, 25, 13, and 16 meter bands.
Radio Shack sold it for around $60 and quietly discontinued it some time
last year.

The FreePlay Ranger is the current implementation of the older FreePlay
models with AM and FM broadcast only, no shortwave. It has the strong
spring-wound FreePlay crank which dumps power into a built-in battery pack
and the radio plays off the battery. I believe this one has the solar panel
so it can be powered by bright sunlight, or bright light sources such as
strong light bulbs, and it can be powered from an optional accessory
external AC/mains power adapter, the ubiquitous "wall wart".

The FreePlay Plus is the largest, heaviest, sturdiest, and most variably
alternatively powered of the current crop of "emergency" SW receivers. It
weighs around five pounds, has astrong LED flashlight in one end, has MW,
FM, and SW coverage. SW coverage is from 3-10 MHz on one band, and from
10-18 MHz on the other band. MW (AM broadcast) is from about 530-1710 KHz,
and FM covers from 88.0-108.0 MHz.

Power is from the Baylis clockwork generator which charges a built-in
battery pack; or a large solar panel on top of the radio, or by AC power
through an extra-cost optional adapter. The adapter can also charge the
built-in battery pack, which, they say will run for 40 hours on a full
charge.

A hefty 60-second full wind of the crank will run the radio for about an
hour, depending on the volume level.

The Kaito model offers everything__all the power sources, including optional
regular AA batteries; the hand-cranked dynamo to charge built-in batteries;
a solar panel; and an AC power adapter which is also supplied with the unit.
You also get a pair of earbud headphones and a long-wire external antenna
with the Kaito. You get SW on three or four bands, plus FM coverage that
gives you the audio for TV channels 2-13 plus weather radio frequencies, and
most of the rest of the VHF spectrum between about 142 and 174 MHz. It's a
cheap radio circuitry and you get so much out-of-band imaging and overload,
that it's hard sometimes to really know what band you're actually hearing,
despite what the display claims depending on your chosen band settings.

Though it has no SW coverage, the Coleman OutRider, available from Universal
Radio and other places, is the most ruggedly built of all the
alternative-powered radios on the market at the moment. It has a solar
cell, and an easily-turned dynamo crank that gives you the longest playing
time with the least cranking of all these radios. The AC power adapter can
charge the built-in battery. AM and FM performance are about average among
radios designed to actually sell almost everywhere in the
under-one-hundred-dollar price range.

Most of the points made in this thread so far about the FR-200, I generally
concur with. It's a good little 40-dollar radio, and I was actually
surprised at the MW coverage. It earned itself a spot on a very short list
of radios that can actually hear and receive CHWO from Toronto on 740 KHz at
night, in this faraday cage where I live. Oh, 750 KHz is occupied by WSB in
Atlanta, and the public transit systems here in Atlanta could take me from
my door to the studios of WSB in less than 30 minutes. None of my other
alternate-powered radios can receive CHWO here on any night, even well
enough to cause one to suspect that a signal is even present at that spot on
the dial--forget about actually identifying it and extracting enough
information to convince a possible QSL-card provider that you actually
listened to the station. Just in case you wonder, the much-vaunted C. Crane
CC Radio, original model, has yet to detect CHWO at this location. The
Grundig S-350, the Satellit 400, the Satellit 700, the Satellit 210/6001,
the Kenwood R-1000, and the AM receiver in the Yamaha CR-2040 "Natural
Sound" Stereo Receiver, can all hear CHWO most nights in this Faraday cage
location.

Were I to rate the current crop of alternative power SW capable receivers
based on how well they actually do most of what they were designed to do, I
would probably choose something about like this order, starting with the
best and working downward. Some of the radios do some things better than
other models do the same thing:

FreePlay Plus, available for $99.99 from C. Crane Company--large, heavy,
multiple power sources, fine tuning control which works on all bands;
respectible FM coverage, but subject to overload from nearby strong signals;
very good MW coverage, but subject to interference from external noise
sources on the lower part of the band; surprisingly good SW coverage through
the full rage of 3-18 MHz.

Grundig FR-200 (Tecsun Green 88): small, light, easy to carry, with a nice
canvas-type carry case with a shoulder strap, and the radio has a nice
carrying handle. The fine tuning control works well. MW performance is
surprisingly good, even for semi-serious DX work at night. FM is average
with slight overload from strong nearby FM signals. SW reception is good on
the lower band once you get used to tuning in a crowded band and figure out
the quirks of the slight dial backlash as you tune. The higher of the two
SW bands is basically useless above about 16 MHz.

The Coleman OutRider doesn't do short wave, but it's a solid, easily
cranked, fairly respectible MW and FM broadcast radio, although the
bandwidth filter is too wide to let you DX with it.

Sony still sells a small AM/FM-only dynamo-cranked radio with an obnoxiously
loud emergency alarm, a light, and a small crank that's easy to turn once
you get a good hold on its small crank. It's about half the size and weight
of the Coleman model, and at its list price of $99.99, it's priced very much
out of line with the competition. Get used to its crowded dial, and its
signal reception is actually quite good for the class.

The Optimus Self-Powered multiband emergency radio is a real emergency unit,
since it has the NOAA weather band coverage. It also has a loud emergency
alarm and a light. Its coverage is fair to good on the 49, 31, 25, and 19
meter bands; FM is about average, and MW reception is quite good. It
receives NOAA reather radio signals better than many purpose-built dedicated
weather radio receivers, being matched in receiving ability only by the
weather-radio band of that CC Radio, original model among the radios I have.

The Kaito KA-007 would really be nice if its FM and VHF bands did not
receive every strong signal on all of its FM and VHF bands indiscriminately.
The AM section is actually fairly good, with the MW reception being the
best feature of the radio. It is small and light, but its odd shape and
size, combined with the long and flimsy crank handle makes it less
comfortable to crank the dynamo very long, and it needs quite a bit of
cranking to build up much playing time. You might find yourself using
regular batteries, AC power, or maybe a strong light source for its
back-mounted solar collector, more often than the cynamo crank.

The FreePlay Summit is a cheap Chinese direct-entry "digitally tuned"
single-conversion receiver mated to the FreePlay dynamo drive mechanism. If
you like a digital display, push-buton frequency entry, some station
memories, and push-button up/down scanning capabilities and want the
alternative power, the Summit might be what you want to get. I have not
seen or used it, so I can speak to the convenience and comfort of its crank
operation, or how well it actually receives signals in the spectrum claimed
on the display scales.

I saw quality-control problems and sample-specific flaws in two different
FreePlay Plus units I bought a couple of years ago and returned each radio
in turn because of them. Otherwise, I liked the radio. Now that production
of even this last of the South African-made FreePlay radios has now moved to
China, I'm hoping the quality control may have actually improved. I may
acquire another one to find out.

Reply to:

Brent Reynolds, Atlanta, GA USA



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