RF-Hacker fun with the drive-thru window
 

"Dave Hall" wrote:

If I was standing on the street, and
you walked up to me, are you not
permitted to make whatever
comment you see fit? There is this
thing called the 1st amendment......
So why should it be any different
through a radio? (snip)


There are limits to free speech, Dave. In this case, the answer would be
no if the comments were slanderous, defamatory, racist, or done in a
threatening or harassing manner. Making unwelcomed comments about a person's
appearence (especially when transmitted over the public airways) could be
considered harassment, and I doubt the First Amendment would protect such
actions.


That depends. If the business was
employing FCC part 15 radio gear,
then they can expect no protection
from interference. (snip)


That addresses normal interference, not the intentional act of malicious
interference. Malicious interference is a violation of FCC rules. And, in
case you're wondering, the First Amendment would not protect a person here
either - the person would not be charged for what was said, but for doing so
in a manner (using equipment, etc) which violates FCC rules.


Maybe. I guess it all depends on
the level of malice and the effect
that the disruptions had. From
what I've heard, the interference
consisted mostly of random
insulting comments, and not
necessarily jamming of the system
in a way that would prevent it
from working.


This brings another issue into question. Some states have laws to protect
the normal operations of a business - to prevent malicious interference with
that. It is also possible these laws, if available, might come into play
here.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dinque Dau" wrote:

Aw, come on. Lighten up. This thread is
about frequencies used by fast food
establishments and "what if". Leave it
to a couple of guys to take it to the next
"what if" level, i.e. legal repercussions
and ensuing arguments between egos.
Give it a rest, guys.


I've been reading this thread since the very beginning and issues of
legality were raised very early in the discussion. And, as far as I can see,
our discussion of the legal issues does not hinder your ability to discuss
whatever you want about this situation. So I have to respond with a request
for you to "lighten up" - you discuss what you want and we'll do the same.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
. ..
Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on usenet
to
the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown)


I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime.
It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US.

Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a
prison.

I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge!

your full of crap Roger....i'm not intimidated by your "threats" you fossil.
go play with others that might be frightened by you. *I* have no reason to
fear you in the least :) You just annoy people..kinda like a pimple on one's
ass.
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
m...

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
. ..
Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on
usenet
to
the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown)


I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime.
It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US.

Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a
prison.

I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge!

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
m...
your full of crap Roger....i'm not intimidated by your "threats" you
fossil.
go play with others that might be frightened by you. *I* have no reason to
fear you in the least :) You just annoy people..kinda like a pimple on
one's
ass.
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
m...

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
. ..
Blow me Roger...silly back yard lawyer. Send everything you see on
usenet
to
the FBI. Class(or in your case classless clown)

I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a crime.
It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US.

Your response is typical of what I would expect from the inmates of a
prison.

I'm sure you can explain it to a Judge!

I made no threat, and did not try to frighten.
Always remember an individual is allways responsible for the effects of what
they say in public.
Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a total
lack of concern for the law!

Have a nice day!
Cheers!

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
m...
snipped the BS

You actually expect ME to go away?

Sorry!

But the venom in the response said I hit a nerve!
You must have something to hide!

Hit a nerve? yeah...I'm sick and tired of you old duffers that brag about
what they did 50 years ago.If your looking for praise, keep looking. You
went out with cloth covered wires and downdraft carburators. I don't have a
damn thing to hide, including your stupid bragging, and what your going to
send to the FBI.
Roger..your a has been, old news, tolerated because we have to (to some
extent).You have nothing *GOOD* to share, no information to exchange except
your poor demo of dominance.I don't want to hear from an old duffer like
you. Times have changed, step into the 21st century. Your still driving a
'53 bel-air and watching a Muntz TV. Your nothing more than a pimple on ones
ass there Roger, squeeze your head and your gone.
No go watch the neighbors Mr. militia man, call the FBI daily and live in
the past. Oh yeah....I hear Walgreens has "Depends" on sale and that they
are the supersize...hold over 2 pounds of crap! sounds like it fits the bill
for you since you try to sling it (like monkeys do)...sleep well there
Roger, sleep long..sleep all day you old buzzard....Eddie
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
m...

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
m...
snipped the BS

You actually expect ME to go away?

Sorry!

But the venom in the response said I hit a nerve!
You must have something to hide!

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
...
Hit a nerve? yeah...

Thanks for the confirmation.

"Eddie Haskel" wrote :
(snippage)
Oh yeah....I hear Walgreens has "Depends" on sale and that they
| are the supersize...hold over 2 pounds of crap!

Cool! He won't have to leave his bunker!

73,

S.L.


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Hey Mr. Goodie two Shoes.....heres a *HOT* tip...go screw with the people in
ALT.DSS.HACK. those *******s are ripping off satellite TV! and showing each
other how to do it! This one is right up your alley Kojack! tell them your
going to dime them off to the FBI. And go hit the bathroom..your bag is
leaking and you smell bad Roger....your friend Eddie
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
m...

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
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Hit a nerve? yeah...

Thanks for the confirmation.

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
m...
Hey Mr. Goodie two Shoes.....heres a *HOT* tip...go screw with the people
in
ALT.DSS.HACK. those *******s are ripping off satellite TV! and showing
each
other how to do it! This one is right up your alley Kojack! tell them your
going to dime them off to the FBI. And go hit the bathroom..your bag is
leaking and you smell bad Roger....your friend Eddie
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
m...

"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
...
Hit a nerve? yeah...

Thanks for the confirmation.


You really need to calm down, you'll have a stroke!

With concern
Roger

NOW you have done it! Roger is dribbling in his depends. You have flared up
his rampant case of IBS and he is going to forward your post to the FBI as
soon as he wakes from his nap....Eddie
"OU812" wrote in message
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"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
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For what it's worth, intercepting the radio at drive thru eateries is NOT
new. I remember it going on over 7 years ago. For the most part it's a
frickin riot! Carl's Jr. implimented a company directive to dispatch ALL
non-essential employees to the parking lot ASAP when an "attack" occured.
They were directed to look for vehicles with *BIG ANTENNAS* on them and
demand ID from the occupants. Now from what *I* remember...1/4 wave
antennas
on 467Mhz are 5.75" and 154.570 are about 18"...HARDLY big antennas. The
*LAST* thing I'm going to do is co-operate with some goomber's request to
ID
myself at a fast-food place, more likely to shoot him.
When the RF pranksters hit, the back door looked more like someone had
called the I.N.S. hahahaha.
For all the times I ordered a burger with no sauce and got extra sauce,
for
the times I ordered chicken McNuggets and got some other crap
this is VERY funny revenge.
Try listening to these dumb-****s on thier "talk-around" channel..this is
where they chat among themselves and NOT the window. Comments like " check
out that piece of **** he is driving" or "that woman is a real
beefarillo".It's like a teen-age partyline. The fools don't realize that
people DO listen to their channel, mostly in disbelief. The management
could
listen and see whats going on, if they do it's apparant that they don't
really care.
Places that run a "tight ship" really show, no screwing around, orders get
filled fast and RIGHT. The ones that are run by "Bozos" will be treated
like
"Bozos". If they are clowning around, why not the pranksters?
Some tips to getting away with RF pranking......
HIDE THE TRANSCEIVER...put it in a bag or jacket pocket.
USE A REMOTE MIKE...keep mike in the palm of your hand out of sight.
SIT IN NEIGHBORING BIZ....they won't go into another place to look for you
in there.
USE HEADPHONES IF OUTDOORS....make it look like your listening to a
walkman.

RUN MAX POWER...high power(5-25 watts) causes the signal to bounce off all
kinds of ****. Damn near impossible to get a direction unless the hunter
has
a damn good attenuator and a shielded RCVR. they will be chasing their
tail.
TELL THEM WHY THEY ARE GETTING TRASHED...this is important, tell them your
tired of getting **** and not your order, or it's cold when you get it, or
the place is a pig-stye. People just don't "attack" because of no reason,
your doing them because you dont like the place for one reason or another.
The owner might take notice and correct the wrong-doings!! Would'nt you if
it was your KFC or Taco-Bell?

You are right. This is nothing new but it is still fun.
For a twist on this, I once discovered that the local Baptist Church had
purchased several VHF HT's that worked on 154.570 and had no PLs. They
would
station two volunteers in the parking lot during services to act as
security
guards and the Pastor had another rig to keep in touch with the outside
men.
Now, just for conversation sake, what if a certain somebody played an
adult-type .wav file over the frequency? The Pastor scrambled for his
radio
to shut it off and for a while actually thought one of his own men was
playing the sounds. They stopped using the radios shortly after.
And then there are those popular baby monitors that new parents like to
place in the kids' room. They don't realize that these low power units
transmit 24/7 and further, mom and dad don't realize that their love
making
can also be transmitted. All it takes is for one enterprising person to
pick
up the mic on a modified radio and say, "Hey, Dad! Stop hurting my mom!"
Poor dad can quickly lose his erection and the rest of the night is shot.
There are many other possibilities and your imagination is the limit.
You don't spose the FBI will be interested in someone who transmits on
baby
monitor frequencies, do you? Roger says they are....and Roger is gonna
forward these posts to Elliot Ness.
I will now live in fear of wannabe cop Roger for the rest of my days.

"OU812" wrote in message
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
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"Roger Gt" wrote in message
"Eddie Haskel" wrote in message
snipped profanity
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
I always report a crime, or a person instigating commission of a
crime.
It is my duty as a member of the militia, and as a citizen of the US.
snip
I made no threat, and did not try to frighten.
Always remember an individual is allways responsible for the effects of
what
they say in public.
Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a
total
lack of concern for the law!

Have a nice day!
Cheers!

Yeah...like the FBI cares what you have to say. You're just another crank,
nothing more, nothing less.

Received confirmation of the FBI receiving the message, and a nice letter
congratulating my alertness!

Have a nice Day!

Don't propose breaking any laws though, someone might be watching!

Yeah..right there Roger..your quite the ****ing "Gumshoe". Well listen up
there "Block-captain" you provided (supposedly) the FBI with ZERO
intelligence...you overaged, failing bladder, **** in your pants old fart.
Go try to impress the 13 year olds on AOL. Maybe there you can be a "COP".
Your getting stale, your bag is leaking down your leg. Your not in ANY kind
of Militia, your not anything but a tired old man with nothing better to do
that hide behind your keyboard and try to impress us with your
goody-two-shoes acts of internet policing.
You might frighten the kids, or MAYBE even the people on WEB-TV. I *KNOW*
your nothing more than a loser, probably living in a retirement home or
trailer. The only "GT" you are familiar with is the one on the back of your
electric wheelchair.
Remember to at least put your teeth in before calling the FBI and whining.
It makes to poor employee that has to actually listen to you spent a little
less time with you. The funny part is this, when you bitch to the GOV'T
*YOUR* the one that gets checked out first! I'm sure your labeled as a crank
in their files by now.
At your age there Roger (see fossil) you should really concern yourself with
enjoying what little time you have left on this fine earth, and focus on
that instead. Your 65 years (very) old.You have maybe 5-7 years of
productive life left. Try searching the internet for fun/exciting things to
occupy your time and leave the "police" detail to the able ones.
I'm amused at just how stupid you can be.Your not intelligent in the least,
I'm certain you live alone because no woman in her right mind with put up
with a worthless **** like you. Your still living in the past (ex military
druid I'm sure) and thats all you got.
You bring up the "Militia" like thats impressive? Thats nothing more than a
$75 a week job. go away...i'm busy looking for this summers vacation on the
other machine...either the Carribean or Hawaii again...Aruba might be a nice
change.
Make sure you have the FBI contact me before I leave for 2 weeks. That way
me and the wife can laugh about you on the way there....Eddie.

"Roger Gt" wrote in message
om...
"Roger Gt" wrote in message
I always makeup a crime, or a person instigating commission of a
crime.I have nothing else to do.My cable TV has been shut off and I had
my drivers license revolked.
It is my duty as a retired member of the militia,(see loser) and as a
citizen of the US.
I made no threat, and did not try to frighten.(yeah right)
Always remember an individual is always responsible for the effects of
what
they say in public.
Your continued responses will also be forwarded to the FBI, showing a
total lack of fear for Roger Gt
Have a nice day!
Cheers (thats classy hahaha)

Received confirmation of the FBI receiving the message, and a nice
letter
congratulating my wasting of official government time!

Have a nice Day!
Don't propose breaking any laws though, Roger Gt might be watching!

There are dozens of people who monitor the Internet (jerks like me) for
anything looking
like a threat. I just was willing to inform someone it is not wise. But
I
also did my duty to provide the FBI with little intelligence.
If you do not propose a crime, or support the commission of a crime, there
is nothing to worry about. You are unlikely to show up in a pattern match
search for more attention.( like he is some kind of authority)

If I'm a cranky old ****, so be it!
But I'm good company!
Always looking for potential problems is the prize of being Roger Gt!

Sleep well, your being whined over!

PS: Yea - I get it. But I'm being a jerk!

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:17:17 GMT, "Eddie Haskel"
wrote in alt.fan.art-bell:

Yeah..right there Roger..your quite the ****ing "Gumshoe". Well listen up
there "Block-captain" you provided (supposedly) the FBI with ZERO

You are both idiots, and should be made into soap and candle wax.
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