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Soames123 January 16th 04 11:34 PM

Thin Ice !!
 

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re2/index.html

N8KDV January 17th 04 12:01 AM



Soames123 wrote:

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re2/index.html


That's all quite interesting, but as most any educated person knows, the
earth has had warm spells and cold spells off and on throughout its
life.

The historical and geological records bear this out. And man wasn't even
around for a lot of them.

It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.

They are easy prey for the huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.

But hey! Don't lose any sleep over it!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


Soames123 January 17th 04 01:11 AM

huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.


Ok;
what's your source for
Not a trace of Info supporting Global Warming.


It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.

They are easy prey for the huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.




Brian Hill January 17th 04 01:43 AM


"Soames123" wrote in message
...
huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.


Ok;
what's your source for
Not a trace of Info supporting Global Warming.


They have been taking ice core samples for years in Antartica and up north
and in those sample are time line evidence that go back thousands of years
showing these warming trends. Its common knowledge in the scientific and
educated community. I think Japan has extensive research in this field going
on right now. Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel or TLC. Sheesh!

--
73 and good DXing
RX:
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Burr January 17th 04 01:51 AM

Say Cuss,
Just because they took your "tin Hat" away you don't have to look/say
pointed things at the rest of us!!!

Cousin Burr

N8KDV wrote:

Soames123 wrote:


http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re2/index.html



That's all quite interesting, but as most any educated person knows, the
earth has had warm spells and cold spells off and on throughout its
life.

The historical and geological records bear this out. And man wasn't even
around for a lot of them.

It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.

They are easy prey for the huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.

But hey! Don't lose any sleep over it!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Stephen M.H. Lawrence January 17th 04 02:37 AM

I can remember the (in)famous Newsweek cover
which read, in bold print, something along the lines of:

"THE COMING ICE AGE."

The nutcases can't make up their minds, but are trying
to regulate our lives, based upon junk science.

73,

S.L.

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...
|
|
| Soames123 wrote:
|
| http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re2/index.html
|
| That's all quite interesting, but as most any educated person knows, the
| earth has had warm spells and cold spells off and on throughout its
| life.
|
| The historical and geological records bear this out. And man wasn't even
| around for a lot of them.
|
| It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
| into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.
|
| They are easy prey for the huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
| consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.
|
| But hey! Don't lose any sleep over it!
|
| Steve
| Holland, MI
| Drake R7, R8 and R8B
| "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©
|
| http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm
|


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Stephen M.H. Lawrence January 17th 04 02:41 AM


"Soames123" wrote:

| Ok;
| what's your source for
| Not a trace of Info supporting Global Warming.

October 22, 2002


U.S. Facts vs. U.N. 'Science'
by Patrick J. Michaels

Patrick J. Michaels is senior fellow in environmental studies at the Cato
Institute and author of "The Satanic Gases."

This is getting repetitious. Once again, the United States stands alone
against a United Nations determined to impose its view of disastrous climate
change. And, once again, the U.N. threatens economic annihilation if we
don't go along. They call America's action "Unilateralism." But let's call
it by its real name: "common sense."

This time it concerns the insurance industry. On Oct. 7-not coincidentally
just a few days after the American hurricane season reaches its peak-the
U.N.'s Climate Change Working Group released a report called "Climate Change
and the Financial Services Industry." The predictable bottom line: Climate
Change has the potential to destroy the insurance industry, so, America,
please get in line with our view of climate change.

This kind of stuff comes from the top. U.N. General Secretary Kofi Annan
keeps criticizing our reluctance to adopt the scientifically discredited
Kyoto Protocol. In a recent op-ed in the Washington Post that was his number
one demand.

But the U.N.'s new report goes Annan one further. While finally admitting
that Kyoto won't do much about the planet's climate, the report then demands
more and more and more Kyotos, in agreement with scientists in the Clinton
administration who estimated that we need about 19 Kyotos to stop warming.
One Kyoto costs, conservatively, 2 percent of our GDP per year. Nineteen?
Don't go there, unless you're the U.N.

Specifically, the new U.N. report projects that, as a result of climate
change leading to more frequent and severe storms, along with demographic
changes (read: more people able to afford more expensive beach houses)
worldwide insurance losses will total an additional $150 billion in the next
decade. They trot out an impressive graph showing dramatic increases in
damage costs in recent years.

What isn't apparent, except to anyone reading the fine print, is that this
figure lists damages from all "natural causes," and that most of the recent
increase is from two big earthquakes (1994 and 1995). While our greener
friends like to blame many oddities on global warming, no one is crazy
enough to say that it causes earthquakes.

Big European reinsurers (the people who insure the insurance companies),
like Swiss Re and Munich Re, have been singing the climate change dirge for
years. It forms a convincing argument for raising their rates, and their
pro-Kyoto (read: anti U.S.) governments are only too happy to nod in
agreement.

By far, the biggest producer of weather-related damage is the hurricane, and
the largest exposure, in terms of insured property value, is the United
States east coast, where the insured value is roughly the same as our annual
gross domestic product. Further, damage costs appear to be going up. So, if
the U.N. is right, the number or severity of hurricanes should be increasing
dramatically.

It's not. There's no trend at all in the number of these storms striking the
United States. In fact, the 1990s appear to be especially hurricane-poor.
It's also well known to hurricane scientists that the average maximum
recorded winds have been declining for the last half-century.

The new U.N. document is so brazen that it contravenes another U.N. body,
the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In its latest compendium on
the subject, called the "Third Assessment Report," which it likes to call
the "consensus of scientists" (it's really the "consensus of scientists
picked by the U.N."), says:

"There is little sign of long-term changes in tropical storm intensity and
frequency," and "[r]ecent analyses of changes in severe local weather
(tornadoes, thunder days, lightning and hail) in a few selected regions
provide no compelling evidence for widespread systematic long-term changes."

As for the future, the U.N. climate report says that its climate models show
no systematic changes in these storms.

While Munich Re, Swiss Re, and the U.N. Climate Change Working Group shill
for a mutually interested, if falsified, climate apocalypse, who isn't
surprised that Americans have a different idea?

Let's guess that there really is a free market here, and that U.S. insurers
can choose between Munich Re, with rates artificially kited by fears of
worsening climate, and some American reinsurer, whose rates are predicated
on constant climate with increasing property values. Munich Re would
advertise its product as more reliable, with assurance that it can survive
our increasingly harsh climate. The Americans will be much less expensive.
Given the facts, which would you choose?

Let's predict that global warming hype isn't going to put American
reinsurers out of business, but that it could be very harmful to the
economic well-being of their European competitors. Hurray for American
"Unilateralism."



Care to rebut that, you putz?

73,

S.L.


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Stephen M.H. Lawrence January 17th 04 02:41 AM

Take the Pierry - Riese (sp?) map of Antarctica as an example.

73,

S.L.


"Brian Hill" brianehill@charterDOTnet wrote in message
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|
| "Soames123" wrote in message
| ...
| huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
| consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.
|
| Ok;
| what's your source for
| Not a trace of Info supporting Global Warming.
|
| They have been taking ice core samples for years in Antartica and up north
| and in those sample are time line evidence that go back thousands of years
| showing these warming trends. Its common knowledge in the scientific and
| educated community. I think Japan has extensive research in this field
going
| on right now. Don't you ever watch the Discovery channel or TLC. Sheesh!
|
| --
| 73 and good DXing
| RX:
| R-5000, SP-600 JX-6, SX-28
| Ant:
| 100' longwire, Evesdropper Dipole
|
| Brian's Radio Universe
| http://webpages.charter.net/brianehill/
|
|
|


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Diverd4777 January 17th 04 02:53 AM

In article . net, "Stephen
M.H. Lawrence" writes:


The nutcases can't make up their minds, but are trying
to regulate our lives, based upon junk science.


Junk Science is all over; it sells magazines, so
don't believe everything yu read in Newsweek
the only truth is in " Myth Busters.."
and careful observation...

-

Brian Denley January 17th 04 02:57 AM

N8KDV wrote:

The historical and geological records bear this out.



Steve:
Was that pun intended? hehe

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WShoots1 January 17th 04 05:27 AM

Not a trace of Info supporting Global Warming.

There is some global warming, but it is NOT man-caused. See The Hockey Stick:

http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/hockey/hockey.htm

Bill, K5BY

N8KDV January 17th 04 11:59 AM



Brian Denley wrote:

N8KDV wrote:

The historical and geological records bear this out.


Steve:
Was that pun intended? hehe


No, but it did work out nicely though. :-)



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RHF January 17th 04 05:27 PM

Bill [K5BY],

Thank You - Now I know the Difference between 'Scientific Facts'
and "SCIENTISM" when it comes to the Issue of Global Warming.

"The `Hockey Stick': A New Low in Climate Science"
- by John L. Daly
GoTo= http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/hockey/hockey.htm

NOTE: Have placed this on my RMR = Rapid Message Recall (RMR) List.

I now have the: "What About the 'Medieval Warm Period' and the
'Little Ice Age'"; as counter points to the 'Evironmental Wackos'
claims about Global Warming.

Plus being able to tell an 'Evironmental Wacko' making claims
about Global Warming:. "Have You been out in the Sun Too Long?
Do You have Sun Spots Imprinted on your Brain? Do You Know anything
about the 'Maunder Minimum' and diappearence of Sun Spots for 70
Years? Well Do You? Do You !"

But the Great Fun will be being able to say to them and repeating
these two words: "hockey sticks, Hockey Sticks. HOCKEY STICKS !"
while waving my arms about in the air and bulging my eyes out :o)


jftfoi ~ RHF
..
..
= = = (WShoots1)
= = = wrote in message ...

Not a trace of Info supporting Global Warming.

There is some global warming, but it is NOT man-caused.
See The Hockey Stick:

http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/hockey/hockey.htm

Bill, K5BY

..

N8KDV January 17th 04 05:33 PM



RHF wrote:

Bill [K5BY],

Thank You - Now I know the Difference between 'Scientific Facts'
and "SCIENTISM" when it comes to the Issue of Global Warming.

"The `Hockey Stick': A New Low in Climate Science"
- by John L. Daly
GoTo= http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/hockey/hockey.htm


An excellent article!



NOTE: Have placed this on my RMR = Rapid Message Recall (RMR) List.

I now have the: "What About the 'Medieval Warm Period' and the
'Little Ice Age'"; as counter points to the 'Evironmental Wackos'
claims about Global Warming.

Plus being able to tell an 'Evironmental Wacko' making claims
about Global Warming:. "Have You been out in the Sun Too Long?
Do You have Sun Spots Imprinted on your Brain? Do You Know anything
about the 'Maunder Minimum' and diappearence of Sun Spots for 70
Years? Well Do You? Do You !"

But the Great Fun will be being able to say to them and repeating
these two words: "hockey sticks, Hockey Sticks. HOCKEY STICKS !"
while waving my arms about in the air and bulging my eyes out :o)

jftfoi ~ RHF
.
.
= = = (WShoots1)
= = = wrote in message ...

Not a trace of Info supporting Global Warming.

There is some global warming, but it is NOT man-caused.
See The Hockey Stick:

http://www.vision.net.au/~daly/hockey/hockey.htm

Bill, K5BY

.



RHF January 17th 04 05:58 PM

BURR,

Lets not insult N8KDV by implying that he wears of sometimes
wears a 'Tin Hat' or the less effective 'Aluminum Foil Beanie'.

N8KDV, is a Learned Radio Enthusiast and has Advanced Electro-
Mechanical Knowledge beyond the common ordinary natural being.

To Be factual, N8KDV uses an 'Inverted "CK" Antenna' to:

Tune-In-the-Truth (What Ever It May Be)
- - - A-n-D - - -
Tune-Out-the-Absurd (I Don't Know What You Call It...
But I Know It - When I Hear It !)


So Say I ~ RHF
The Inventor of the 'Inverted "CK" Antenna'
..

..
= = = Burr
= = = wrote in message link.net...
Say Cuss,
Just because they took your "tin Hat" away you don't have to look/say
pointed things at the rest of us!!!

Cousin Burr

N8KDV wrote:

Soames123 wrote:


http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re2/index.html



That's all quite interesting, but as most any educated person knows, the
earth has had warm spells and cold spells off and on throughout its
life.

The historical and geological records bear this out. And man wasn't even
around for a lot of them.

It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.

They are easy prey for the huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.

But hey! Don't lose any sleep over it!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


N8KDV January 17th 04 06:00 PM



RHF wrote:

BURR,

Lets not insult N8KDV by implying that he wears of sometimes
wears a 'Tin Hat' or the less effective 'Aluminum Foil Beanie'.

N8KDV, is a Learned Radio Enthusiast and has Advanced Electro-
Mechanical Knowledge beyond the common ordinary natural being.

To Be factual, N8KDV uses an 'Inverted "CK" Antenna' to:

Tune-In-the-Truth (What Ever It May Be)
- - - A-n-D - - -
Tune-Out-the-Absurd (I Don't Know What You Call It...
But I Know It - When I Hear It !)

So Say I ~ RHF
The Inventor of the 'Inverted "CK" Antenna'


Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


N8KDV January 17th 04 06:03 PM



N8KDV wrote:

RHF wrote:

BURR,

Lets not insult N8KDV by implying that he wears of sometimes
wears a 'Tin Hat' or the less effective 'Aluminum Foil Beanie'.

N8KDV, is a Learned Radio Enthusiast and has Advanced Electro-
Mechanical Knowledge beyond the common ordinary natural being.

To Be factual, N8KDV uses an 'Inverted "CK" Antenna' to:

Tune-In-the-Truth (What Ever It May Be)
- - - A-n-D - - -
Tune-Out-the-Absurd (I Don't Know What You Call It...
But I Know It - When I Hear It !)

So Say I ~ RHF
The Inventor of the 'Inverted "CK" Antenna'


There was supposed to be a Huh!? inserted into that last post... oh
well!



Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B



Ian Smith January 17th 04 08:50 PM

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Soames123 wrote:

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re2/index.html


That's all quite interesting, but as most any educated person knows,

the
earth has had warm spells and cold spells off and on throughout its
life.

The historical and geological records bear this out. And man wasn't

even
around for a lot of them.

It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really

buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.

They are easy prey for the huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.

But hey! Don't lose any sleep over it!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B
"I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" ©

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


It amazes me that so many apparently quite intelligent people can
completely embrace the idea of greenhouse gas emissions having no
effect at all on the global climate.
Variations occur naturally over time; that has never been in
dispute. However, the physical properties of CO2 are very well known,
and we're adding a lot to the atmosphere every year.
It would be nice if some natural process is cancelling out the
effects of all that extra CO2. I hope it is, for our sake, but having
a closed mind to the issue isn't going to make it go away.

Anyway, does anyone know if higher average temperatures will have
any effect on shortwave propagation? Or other frequencies, like
Sporadic 'E' in the summer?



N8KDV January 17th 04 09:04 PM



Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Soames123 wrote:

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/...re2/index.html


That's all quite interesting, but as most any educated person knows,

the
earth has had warm spells and cold spells off and on throughout its
life.

The historical and geological records bear this out. And man wasn't

even
around for a lot of them.

It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really

buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.

They are easy prey for the huxters, who fleece them whilst they are
consumed by their ignorance of simple concepts.

But hey! Don't lose any sleep over it!


It amazes me that so many apparently quite intelligent people can
completely embrace the idea of greenhouse gas emissions having no
effect at all on the global climate.


Well, from this we can ascertain that the wearing of a tin-foil hat in no
way cuts down on an individuals ability to experience amazement.


Variations occur naturally over time; that has never been in
dispute. However, the physical properties of CO2 are very well known,
and we're adding a lot to the atmosphere every year.
It would be nice if some natural process is cancelling out the
effects of all that extra CO2. I hope it is, for our sake, but having
a closed mind to the issue isn't going to make it go away.


Questions: Do you have just one tin-foil hat or several? Are any painted
in pretty colours, or do you prefer the natural look?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B



J999w January 17th 04 11:14 PM


It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.


Hmmm.

Which is colder ... the city or the woods?

Are the cities expanding, or shrinking?

Think about it.

jw
wb9uai

Diverd4777 January 18th 04 02:42 AM

In article , "Ian Smith"
writes:

It amazes me that so many apparently quite intelligent people can
completely embrace the idea of greenhouse gas emissions having no
effect at all on the global climate.


Not at all !
You can take a hypotheses, then run right out and find evidence to prove your
beilefe;
- Look at the " OJ Jury "
- Didn't want to believe he was guilty, so they found the evidence that
went along with their belief.
& then called everyone else " Prejudiced ".

Nobel winning scientists are repeatedly bamboozled by Hucksters,
Frauds, sleight of hand artists;
Happens all de time !


Variations occur naturally over time; that has never been in
dispute. However, the physical properties of CO2 are very well known,
and we're adding a lot to the atmosphere every year.


An interesting Idea:
- Ocean's general warming trend is killing off Coral, which usually absorbs
& Builds calcium Carbonate exoskeletons;
- But with the corals dying out, from their environment warming slightly,
the C02 the coral would have absorbed is still
in solution in ocean water, absorbing heat from the sun ( etc)
slightly expanding the volume of the Ocean, hence Slightly raising sea levels..
( ! ! ! )

It would be nice if some natural process is cancelling out the
effects of all that extra CO2. I hope it is, for our sake, but having
a closed mind to the issue isn't going to make it go away.


Anyway, does anyone know if higher average temperatures will have
any effect on shortwave propagation? Or other frequencies, like
Sporadic 'E' in the summer?


Now; if the overall atmosphere Does warm by a slight amount,
it will expand in volume ( right ?? )

- So we might surmise that the upper parts of the atmosphere would be displaced
Upwards..
accelerating the decay of low earth orbit satellites;
and possibly raising the absolute elevation of the Ionospheres reflective
layers..
not a " 1 + 1+1 = 3 "
or Correlation = Causality
but
- an interesting Idea...

Dan










Diverd4777 January 18th 04 03:56 AM

In article ,
(Diverd4777) writes:


An interesting Idea:
- Ocean's general warming trend is killing off Coral, which usually absorbs
& Builds calcium Carbonate exoskeletons;
- But with the corals dying out, from their environment warming slightly,
the C02 the coral would have absorbed is still
in solution in ocean water, absorbing heat from the sun ( etc)
slightly expanding the volume of the Ocean, hence Slightly raising sea
levels..
( ! ! ! )

It would be nice if some natural process is cancelling out the
effects of all that extra CO2. I hope it is, for our sake, but having
a closed mind to the issue isn't going to make it go away.

Hmmm....
- Ever take a glass of cold water 7 let it sit fer a while?
ever see Bubbles form on the side of the glass?
Where de bubbles come from???
- Tooth Fairy?
Nope!
its de dissolved gas in the cold water
becoming undissolved
& going back into its gaseous form.
-SO ??
IF SEA Water
warms slightly
Some of the dissolved gases in it
will be released into the atmosphere
causing an increase in absolute volume of Air on the planet..
Including C02;
-which absorbs heat,
expanding our atmosphere
a little bit more..

- Don't see that Co2 Absorbing process here...


RHF January 18th 04 05:00 AM

IS,

It is my understanding that by the year 2020 the actual majority
of the so called Global Warming "Green House Gases" will be
generated by three countries: China, India and Indonesia.

NOT from the Automobiles or Power Plants in the USofA but simply
from the common people of those countries burning carbon fuels
to heat their homes and cook their food.

People Gota Live...
Or would you suggest that we start with THOSE PEOPLE !
* Shall They Freeze ?
* Shall They Starve ?
* Shall They Simply Be Eliminated ?
All in the 'name' of "Protecting the Planet" from People !


Got My 'Inverted "CK" Antenna' On ~ RHF
..
..
= = = "Ian Smith"
= = = wrote in message ...

It amazes me that so many apparently quite intelligent people can
completely embrace the idea of greenhouse gas emissions having no
effect at all on the global climate.

Variations occur naturally over time; that has never been in
dispute. However, the physical properties of CO2 are very well known,
and we're adding a lot to the atmosphere every year.
It would be nice if some natural process is cancelling out the
effects of all that extra CO2. I hope it is, for our sake, but having
a closed mind to the issue isn't going to make it go away.

Anyway, does anyone know if higher average temperatures will have
any effect on shortwave propagation? Or other frequencies, like
Sporadic 'E' in the summer?
..
..

Ian Smith January 18th 04 11:24 AM

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message


snipped


Questions: Do you have just one tin-foil hat or several? Are any

painted
in pretty colours, or do you prefer the natural look?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


In fact, scientific knowledge forms the basis of our modern
civilisation. All that technology we conveniently use in our everyday
lives (including your shortwave radio gear) is the result of
scientific research.
You can't dismiss one complete branch of science without
dismissing it all (and going to live in a cave), because that would
make you a hypocrite.
Strange questions about tin-foil hats are unacceptable as a means
of persuading other people to change their minds about the causes of
global warming. This does your case no good at all. I would have
thought that to be self-evident.
Good DX my friend.

Ian, Renfrew, Scotland.



N8KDV January 18th 04 12:57 PM



Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message


snipped


Questions: Do you have just one tin-foil hat or several? Are any

painted
in pretty colours, or do you prefer the natural look?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


In fact, scientific knowledge forms the basis of our modern
civilisation. All that technology we conveniently use in our everyday
lives (including your shortwave radio gear) is the result of
scientific research.
You can't dismiss one complete branch of science without
dismissing it all (and going to live in a cave), because that would
make you a hypocrite.
Strange questions about tin-foil hats are unacceptable as a means
of persuading other people to change their minds about the causes of
global warming. This does your case no good at all. I would have
thought that to be self-evident.
Good DX my friend.

Ian, Renfrew, Scotland.


Tin-foil hats or not, what you fail to see is that my case is sound,
while yours is flawed... get over it. :-)



Diverd4777 January 18th 04 01:13 PM

In article ,
(RHF) writes:


IS,

It is my understanding that by the year 2020 the actual majority
of the so called Global Warming "Green House Gases" will be
generated by three countries: China, India and Indonesia.

NOT from the Automobiles or Power Plants in the USofA but simply
from the common people of those countries burning carbon fuels
to heat their homes and cook their food.

People Gota Live...
Or would you suggest that we start with THOSE PEOPLE !
* Shall They Freeze ?
* Shall They Starve ?
* Shall They Simply Be Eliminated ?
All in the 'name' of "Protecting the Planet" from People !


- Let them all eat Frozen Food ??

Yeah, we can build Huge Nuclear Powered Frozen food factories
Taking care of Unemployment AND global Warming.. !

- But If there is no such thing as Global Warming then we don't have anything
to worry about !
:-)



Diverd4777 January 18th 04 02:13 PM

In article ,
(J999w) writes:



It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.


Hmmm.

Which is colder ... the city or the woods?

Are the cities expanding, or shrinking?

Think about it.

jw
wb9uai

Hmm...
Well I've seen on TV woods catch fire & burn down
& this process generates lots of heat.
:
So maybe we should take a tip from our forward thinking freinds
in Brazil, Indonesia and Africa
And just burn down
all the forests.
!
We could then Put in tract housing,
with beautiful Blue Swimming pools
Swimming Pools don't burn.
:
- So that would take care of the problem
of the woods burning down
& generating heat !
:
This being true,
Cities generate less heat
than the woods
:
There would be more cities
than woods
So the earth would cool down
Go into an Ice age
& freezing all the Swimming Pools...
...


Brenda Ann January 18th 04 02:31 PM


"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(J999w) writes:



It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.


Hmmm.

Which is colder ... the city or the woods?

Are the cities expanding, or shrinking?

Think about it.

jw
wb9uai

Hmm...
Well I've seen on TV woods catch fire & burn down
& this process generates lots of heat.
:
So maybe we should take a tip from our forward thinking freinds
in Brazil, Indonesia and Africa
And just burn down
all the forests.
!
We could then Put in tract housing,
with beautiful Blue Swimming pools
Swimming Pools don't burn.
:
- So that would take care of the problem
of the woods burning down
& generating heat !
:
This being true,
Cities generate less heat
than the woods
:
There would be more cities
than woods
So the earth would cool down
Go into an Ice age
& freezing all the Swimming Pools...
..


Which wouldn't matter a whit, since we would have long since run out of
oxygen to breath, and would be dead.. leaving only the cockroaches left to
enjoy the swimming pools anyway.. :)



Diverd4777 January 18th 04 02:41 PM

In article , "Brenda Ann"
writes:

Subject: (OT) Thin Ice !!
From: "Brenda Ann"
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:31:42 +0900


"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...
In article ,
(J999w) writes:



It is only the uneducated public (tin foil hat crowd) that really buys
into Global Warming as a truly manmade occurrence.


Hmmm.

Which is colder ... the city or the woods?

Are the cities expanding, or shrinking?

Think about it.

jw
wb9uai

Hmm...
Well I've seen on TV woods catch fire & burn down
& this process generates lots of heat.
:
So maybe we should take a tip from our forward thinking freinds
in Brazil, Indonesia and Africa
And just burn down
all the forests.
!
We could then Put in tract housing,
with beautiful Blue Swimming pools
Swimming Pools don't burn.
:
- So that would take care of the problem
of the woods burning down
& generating heat !
:
This being true,
Cities generate less heat
than the woods
:
There would be more cities
than woods
So the earth would cool down
Go into an Ice age
& freezing all the Swimming Pools...
..


Which wouldn't matter a whit, since we would have long since run out of
oxygen to breath, and would be dead.. leaving only the cockroaches left to
enjoy the swimming pools anyway.. :)


- But Brenda,
If you Heat all the swimming pools,
then they would release the gases
trapped in solution !
part of these gases is Oxygen,
- so
By heating the swimming Pools
We'd all have air to breath!
:
( & THEN we could go after the cockeroaches ! ! ! )


Ian Smith January 18th 04 08:55 PM

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message


snipped


Questions: Do you have just one tin-foil hat or several? Are any

painted
in pretty colours, or do you prefer the natural look?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B


In fact, scientific knowledge forms the basis of our modern
civilisation. All that technology we conveniently use in our

everyday
lives (including your shortwave radio gear) is the result of
scientific research.
You can't dismiss one complete branch of science without
dismissing it all (and going to live in a cave), because that

would
make you a hypocrite.
Strange questions about tin-foil hats are unacceptable as a

means
of persuading other people to change their minds about the causes

of
global warming. This does your case no good at all. I would have
thought that to be self-evident.
Good DX my friend.

Ian, Renfrew, Scotland.


Tin-foil hats or not, what you fail to see is that my case is sound,
while yours is flawed... get over it. :-)


Denying the well-known physical properties of CO2 as a greenhouse
gas hardly soundifies your case. But I see no reason to hold any
grudges, and will continue to read your other posts with interest.

regards,

Ian



N8KDV January 18th 04 09:09 PM



Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message
...


Ian Smith wrote:

"N8KDV" wrote in message

snipped


Questions: Do you have just one tin-foil hat or several? Are any
painted
in pretty colours, or do you prefer the natural look?

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

In fact, scientific knowledge forms the basis of our modern
civilisation. All that technology we conveniently use in our

everyday
lives (including your shortwave radio gear) is the result of
scientific research.
You can't dismiss one complete branch of science without
dismissing it all (and going to live in a cave), because that

would
make you a hypocrite.
Strange questions about tin-foil hats are unacceptable as a

means
of persuading other people to change their minds about the causes

of
global warming. This does your case no good at all. I would have
thought that to be self-evident.
Good DX my friend.

Ian, Renfrew, Scotland.


Tin-foil hats or not, what you fail to see is that my case is sound,
while yours is flawed... get over it. :-)


Denying the well-known physical properties of CO2 as a greenhouse
gas hardly soundifies your case. But I see no reason to hold any
grudges, and will continue to read your other posts with interest.

regards,

Ian


Thanks Ian, and I yours.

Steve
Holland, MI
USA



RHF January 19th 04 03:47 AM

= = = (Diverd4777)
= = = wrote in message ...
In article ,
(RHF) writes:


IS,

It is my understanding that by the year 2020 the actual majority
of the so called Global Warming "Green House Gases" will be
generated by three countries: China, India and Indonesia.

NOT from the Automobiles or Power Plants in the USofA but simply
from the common people of those countries burning carbon fuels
to heat their homes and cook their food.

People Gota Live...
Or would you suggest that we start with THOSE PEOPLE !
* Shall They Freeze ?
* Shall They Starve ?
* Shall They Simply Be Eliminated ?
All in the 'name' of "Protecting the Planet" from People !


- Let them all eat Frozen Food ??

Yeah, we can build Huge Nuclear Powered Frozen food factories
Taking care of Unemployment AND global Warming.. !

- But If there is no such thing as Global Warming
then we don't have anything to worry about !
:-)



Diverd4777,

HUGH Nuclear Powered 'anythings' will result in GLOW Warming !

Turn Out The Lights . . .
The Party Is Glowing Over Here, There, and Everywhere ~ RHF

..

CW January 19th 04 06:32 AM

Apparently, your definition of closed mind is "he who does not think like
me". In this debate, the only ones that have provided any scientific proof
are the ones that don't believe that humans are the cause of the changing
weather. The global warming fanatic goes on guesses and emotionalism.
Relying on these is more likely to get you into trouble than help anything.

"Ian Smith" wrote in message
news:zehOb.5468$JL4.42208@newsfep4- but having
a closed mind to the issue isn't going to make it go away.




Ian Smith January 19th 04 07:12 PM

"CW" wrote in message
...
Apparently, your definition of closed mind is "he who does not think

like
me". In this debate, the only ones that have provided any scientific

proof
are the ones that don't believe that humans are the cause of the

changing
weather. The global warming fanatic goes on guesses and

emotionalism.
Relying on these is more likely to get you into trouble than help

anything.

"Ian Smith" wrote in message
news:zehOb.5468$JL4.42208@newsfep4- but having
a closed mind to the issue isn't going to make it go away.


Please read my other posts in this thread.

Good DX to you.

regards,

Ian




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