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What if this actually happend......
Just think what if this actually happened
maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input thanks The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher |
Current_gothic wrote: Just think what if this actually happened maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input thanks Did you get your tin-foil hat locally, or did you have to send off for it? The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator I'm laughing my ass off...! Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher |
Think what you want i was just asking a question if thast how u treat
every one in this newsgroup when they ask a question just a curious one at that i wasent refering to UFOS or anything in that matter. but i guess if ur gooing to be an ass about something that some one asked just for a change of topic and maybe even see if its happend. maybe some one is interested u ever think about that On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:38:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Current_gothic wrote: Just think what if this actually happened maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input thanks Did you get your tin-foil hat locally, or did you have to send off for it? The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator I'm laughing my ass off...! Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher |
"Current_gothic" wrote in message ... Just think what if this actually happened maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input Well, there's this: "There may be a cosmic repeater in orbit around the moon placed there by an alien civilization. In attempt to make it's presence known it picks up whatever radio signal it hears and retransmits them back on the same frequency." This is from: http://www.qsl.net/ea6vq/lde.html Frank Dresser |
There was a Twilight Zone episode about someone tuning in broadcasts from
the past on a MW radio. It wasn't a shoddy plot, nor a bad movie. From: (Diverd4777) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: 19 Jan 2004 02:24:26 GMT Subject: What if this actually happend...... Wait! Don't tell me! Let me guess... - Your a Writer for " The Matrix Reloaded" - No ?? Shoddy plot for a bad science fiction movie.. Possible fodder for "Mystery Science Theater 2000" a Guy, two robots & a Really Crummy film.. -Keep writing... Dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In article , (Current_gothic) writes: Just think what if this actually happened maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input thanks The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher |
Have you heard of "Gravitational Lensing" ? Massive bodies cause multiple
images of objects to appear in photographs of stars because light is bent by the object. On an earthly level, the earth's own magnetic field has gaps and is diminishing over time, giving rise to speculation that is now supported by simulations, that the magetic field will disappear altogether. It may reappear or vanish forever. The mechanism for this is somewhat understood, but not entirely. The gaps in the earth's magnetic field are caused by solar activity. The universe is a place we understand very little, and humbling for that. It is not impossible for the impossible to happen s. "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Current_gothic" wrote in message ... Just think what if this actually happened maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input Well, there's this: "There may be a cosmic repeater in orbit around the moon placed there by an alien civilization. In attempt to make it's presence known it picks up whatever radio signal it hears and retransmits them back on the same frequency." This is from: http://www.qsl.net/ea6vq/lde.html Frank Dresser |
(Current_gothic) wrote in
: Since I have killfiled so many people from this group, I didn't get to see their response, other than as it is quoted in your reply. Unfortunately, so few people have an imagination these days, as the TV supplies what their creative impulses should have driven them to think of for themselves. People that question are creative enough to write the materials that placate the masses. If we were all rigidly scientific, how truly dull the world would be. Confer the movie "Frequency" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186151/ Feast thou eyes on the brief description at the above site. "Plot Outline: An accidental cross-time radio link connects father and son across 30 years. The son tries to save his father's life, but then must fix the consequences". In brief, A relatively young man, policeman by trade, despondent at the recent breakup with his wife, happens to get his father's HAM radio from the closet. He plugs the radio in, and while using it converses with another man, a man that subsequently turns out to be his father. Problem is, his father had died many years prior. An unusual aurora activity in the NY area offered this man a chance to change his past, but with unexpected results. Awesome movie, and just think, some people laugh their asses off over such creative ideas. Please watch the movie, the difficulty with changing the past is quite intriguing, and a way to get evidence from the past to the present is interestingly done. And at the end, changes in the past result in dramatic changes in the present. Keep thinking those creative ideas. Regards. Think what you want i was just asking a question if thast how u treat every one in this newsgroup when they ask a question just a curious one at that i wasent refering to UFOS or anything in that matter. but i guess if ur gooing to be an ass about something that some one asked just for a change of topic and maybe even see if its happend. maybe some one is interested u ever think about that On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:38:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Current_gothic wrote: Just think what if this actually happened well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio would like to hear your input thanks -- Never say never. Nothing is absolute. |
Current_gothic wrote: Just think what if this actually happened well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio would like to hear your input thanks Well, I don't think you're a nutcase, but I do think that what is known of RF waves, and the laws of physics *so far as we understand them yet*, the odds are *heavily* against something like that happening. RF waves of all kinds (some more than others, of course) penetrate the ionosphere and continue out in to space "forever" (in theory). Short wave frequencies largely bounce off the ionosphere when conditions are good, but some of them get through - all the time. Now, it is theoretically possible for a wave to strike a face of an asteroid (for example) in exactly the right way to be bounced back toward earth and "re-received", although I think the chances of that make your chances of winning the lottery look like child's play. Complicating it is the fact that unless I'm mistaken, the "escaped" RF wave becomes progressively weaker all the time - and the "bounce" wouldn't help that. To receive something transmitted during WW II for example, that RF wave would have traveled outward for 30 years before being bounced back. That's what I mean by it is *theoretically* possible, but the chances of it are astronomically small (no pun intended). That said, here's a possible other side of the coin: I DO remember reading, about five years ago, a journal article about "unexplained phenomena". I apologize for the sketchiness of the details, but it has been years, as I said. Supposedly it was cross-verified by several sources: A TV station in England received about 22 minutes of very snowy transmission of an old, American broadcast out of nowhere. It was traced to a local TV show from the 1950's in some American city. The show had not been filmed or vieotaped (this was before videotape) and it had not been kinescoped, either. Old program logs traced it to the actual day it had aired. It lasted about 22 minutes and quickly faded This was in 1976 or thereabouts - more than two decades after the broadcast. It has never been explained. I wish I could remember where I read that, but it was NOT a "National Enquirer" or "Weekly World News" story - it was an article about such things (and there are plenty of them). It doesn't mean "aliens", it doesn't mean "spooks", it just means we don't understand some things yet. Tony ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"Maximus" wrote in message link.net... Have you heard of "Gravitational Lensing" ? Massive bodies cause multiple images of objects to appear in photographs of stars because light is bent by the object. On an earthly level, the earth's own magnetic field has gaps and is diminishing over time, giving rise to speculation that is now supported by simulations, that the magetic field will disappear altogether. It may reappear or vanish forever. The mechanism for this is somewhat understood, but not entirely. The gaps in the earth's magnetic field are caused by solar activity. The universe is a place we understand very little, and humbling for that. It is not impossible for the impossible to happen s. Yeah, the lensing is something Einstein predicted. By the way, if you want a different explaination for Long Delayed Echos, you could imagine the radio waves bouncing off clouds of ionized gas in outer space. If the clouds were shaped properly, they could even focus the RF back to earth. Seems tenous to me. The cosmic repeater theory is more fun. Frank Dresser |
"Tony Meloche" wrote in message ... [snip] That said, here's a possible other side of the coin: I DO remember reading, about five years ago, a journal article about "unexplained phenomena". I apologize for the sketchiness of the details, but it has been years, as I said. Supposedly it was cross-verified by several sources: A TV station in England received about 22 minutes of very snowy transmission of an old, American broadcast out of nowhere. It was traced to a local TV show from the 1950's in some American city. The show had not been filmed or vieotaped (this was before videotape) and it had not been kinescoped, either. Old program logs traced it to the actual day it had aired. It lasted about 22 minutes and quickly faded This was in 1976 or thereabouts - more than two decades after the broadcast. It has never been explained. I wish I could remember where I read that, but it was NOT a "National Enquirer" or "Weekly World News" story - it was an article about such things (and there are plenty of them). It doesn't mean "aliens", it doesn't mean "spooks", it just means we don't understand some things yet. Tony I also have a dim memory of the same or a similar story. It's worth mentioning that there were two standards for English TV back then, one for monochrome and one for color. If I recall, the mono standard was on VHF and the color standard was on UHF. Both standards had different sweep frequencies, and both differed from the US standard. The mono standard had the opposite video modulation and the sound was AM. So I don't know how well either type of TV set would sync to a US TV signal and a mono set would show a negative picture and distorted or no sound. However, I think a determined hoaxter could pull it off. Frank Dresser |
In theory when a radio wave goes off in to space, it just keeps going. But, it decreases in intensity at the inverse square law factor. This means that it gets exponentially weaker by inverse square law per unit distance. There would be a point where the strength of the radio wave would be as weak or weaker than the natural full spectrum of the background noise radiation that exists in space. At this point, it would not be easily detectable. As for the standard long wave, medium wave, and short wave communications, most of the energy from these bounces off the ionosphere back to the earth again. They keep going in their path until they disperse or wear down to a level that is no longer detectable. There has been some experiments were a radio wave pulse was sent out in a single direction, and about a half a second later it was picked up again from the opposite direction. This radio wave travelled around the world, bouncing between the ionosphere and the earths surface. VHF, UHF, and higher frequencies can escape the ionosphere and go out in to space. There are scientists and even some hobbyists with a descent budget who have experimented in bouncing radio waves off the moon for research. This requires some specialized equipment and knowledge to implement, and work with. As for receiving radio waves coming back from out in space that have been sent from the earth is another thing. There are some theories and people who have claimed this to be. There is the theory that the wave may go out somewhere, and bounce off some type of planet or object that can amplify it in some manner. This is only speculative, and there are some theories that support this. There have been a few claims of people getting both radio and TV signals a few days or even a month or so after its broadcast. I can recall reading about a case that in about 1954 there was a family in Newfoundland that claimed to have picked up a TV station from Florida that was broadcasted about 8 days prior. The Florida TV station did say that they did not repeat this program in any way at that time. There is no actual proof of this other than the descriptions of the people who claimed this to be. They said that the picture was very snowy, but was able to be made out along with the sound. It supposedly only lasted about 3 minutes or so. There have been actual documented cases where TV stations have been picked up over excessively very long distances. But these were normal broadcasts, and were not delayed out of the ordinary. By some chance there was a skip effect caused by the ionosphere. The reception conditions were ideal at that time. There is speculation in this case, was that some of the family members may have been to Florida, or a friend of their who has been, was over at their place at the time. They may have picked up some distant station from the US at the time, which is most likely possible, and thought they were watching an older program. It is possible that the program that was on TV was a similar program to what they thought they were watching. From the background that I have in engineering, I personally cannot see in practice a broadcast signal going far out in space and then returning even a few minutes later. Then again, I am not authority in this type of phenomenon. I can see this able to be done over a few seconds by beaming the signal to a close body in space such as the moon, if directly intended for this type of purpose, using the proper set-up, resources, and equipment to do this. In theory if they can do this to mars, then it would be a few minutes. But, one would have to be a dead on aim to do this, because the reflected signal would be very critical, and the bodies are moving in space. Considering the power required, and the losses involved, I cannot see in practice to reflect a signal off of anything much farther than the moon. Then again, in theory a signal that goes out in space should have that very small chance of reflecting back to the earth. But, being able to sustain any reception of it, or even make it out any intelligence in it, would be another matter. This is my personal opinion only... -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= "Current_gothic" wrote in message ... Just think what if this actually happened maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input thanks The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher |
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:00:54 -0500, "matt's sludge"
wrote: snip Are you sure you didn't call Art Bell last night and claimed to be a six-toed spawn of an alien love affair with Michael Jackson..? (grin) Even Art wouldn't let that caller go on the air - too easily disproven as everyone knows that there are some things an alien just won't do ......... and Michael Jackson is one of them. 8-} |
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Currrent:
Problem usually is that there is no character development, pacing, or reasonable dialogue in lots of the books written today. Most of which never get published. - On the other hand, Consider " Salems Lot" as an example of what I consider good character development, pacing, dialogue, etc, etc., etc. Totally crazy Idea, but good writing makes it work ! Dan There was a Twilight Zone episode about someone tuning in broadcasts from the past on a MW radio. It wasn't a shoddy plot, nor a bad movie. |
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If your writing a peice of fiction, you have to have rules for what goes on,
and then follow them Even if it's static on the radio before the Monster shows up where the kids all park, - & JUST before it gets interesting - you then have to have Static on the radio when the poor lone Cop, driving out to chase a racoon off someones porch gets attaked . - So if your picking up signals from the 1940s there has to be some corollary local behavior to go along with this. I think in " Signals", it was northern lights... - And you have to give Poor Doomed " Lone Cop" a real personality & some thoughts while he's driving out there in the dark, making his last call.. Dan ' In article , (Frank White) writes: According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe, this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst; it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back, the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re- enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance. FW |
Supposedly it was cross-verified by several sources: A TV station in
England received about 22 minutes ... This was in 1976 or thereabouts - more than two decades after the broadcast. It has never been explained. I wish I could remember where I read that... I recall reading about that as a kid. I believe that it was in a book called "Strange Stories and Amazing Facts," published by Reader's Digest (I think) in the mid 70s. Pretty interesting reading, as I recall. |
i never have picked up radio stations from years later
just kina thought of that topics nad thought it would be neat to put on here and se everyones opinions :) and quite a few ones and scientific ones to add :) On 19 Jan 2004 15:55:01 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote: If your writing a peice of fiction, you have to have rules for what goes on, and then follow them Even if it's static on the radio before the Monster shows up where the kids all park, - & JUST before it gets interesting - you then have to have Static on the radio when the poor lone Cop, driving out to chase a racoon off someones porch gets attaked . - So if your picking up signals from the 1940s there has to be some corollary local behavior to go along with this. I think in " Signals", it was northern lights... - And you have to give Poor Doomed " Lone Cop" a real personality & some thoughts while he's driving out there in the dark, making his last call.. Dan ' In article , (Frank White) writes: According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe, this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst; it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back, the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re- enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance. FW The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher |
Same thing happened with my kill-file.
It's a shame that a radio hobbyist would rather insult the guy and his question than think about and contribute possible solutions and scenarios -- but he's much too busy being a jerk and self-appointed lord over the newsgroup. Ignore the troll. As for the question, yes -- I think it could happen, and here's why: As shortwave listeners, we depend upon an eclectic combination of magnetism and radiation for their ability to reflect radio waves. Otherwise, we'd be stuck with local, line-of-sight radio sources. We know that these conditions are found in other places besides earth. They're found in massive amounts in nebulae, especially ones with neutron stars (among others) in close proximity. Since radio waves travel at the speed of light, signals from the early days of broadcasting have travelled pretty far (60 light-years for the 1940 signals). There are plenty of places with lots of ionized radiation within 60 light years of earth. However, we only need to consider 30 light-years for this example, because the return trip takes the same amount of time. If one of these radio reflecting objects (nebulae?) were to have the right properties (size, shape, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY -- correct bounce angle -- remember, the Earth is a moving target), we might actually be lucky enough to be in the path of a reflected transmission. Obviously, the chances for this are extremely small, or we would be hearing about really old "skip" much more often. -- Stinger "Soliloquy" wrote in message 4... (Current_gothic) wrote in : Since I have killfiled so many people from this group, I didn't get to see their response, other than as it is quoted in your reply. Unfortunately, so few people have an imagination these days, as the TV supplies what their creative impulses should have driven them to think of for themselves. People that question are creative enough to write the materials that placate the masses. If we were all rigidly scientific, how truly dull the world would be. Confer the movie "Frequency" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0186151/ Feast thou eyes on the brief description at the above site. "Plot Outline: An accidental cross-time radio link connects father and son across 30 years. The son tries to save his father's life, but then must fix the consequences". In brief, A relatively young man, policeman by trade, despondent at the recent breakup with his wife, happens to get his father's HAM radio from the closet. He plugs the radio in, and while using it converses with another man, a man that subsequently turns out to be his father. Problem is, his father had died many years prior. An unusual aurora activity in the NY area offered this man a chance to change his past, but with unexpected results. Awesome movie, and just think, some people laugh their asses off over such creative ideas. Please watch the movie, the difficulty with changing the past is quite intriguing, and a way to get evidence from the past to the present is interestingly done. And at the end, changes in the past result in dramatic changes in the present. Keep thinking those creative ideas. Regards. Think what you want i was just asking a question if thast how u treat every one in this newsgroup when they ask a question just a curious one at that i wasent refering to UFOS or anything in that matter. but i guess if ur gooing to be an ass about something that some one asked just for a change of topic and maybe even see if its happend. maybe some one is interested u ever think about that On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:38:14 -0500, N8KDV wrote: Current_gothic wrote: Just think what if this actually happened well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio would like to hear your input thanks -- Never say never. Nothing is absolute. |
Mr C. Gothic,
What you suggest is an interesting idea. It reminded me of a Carl Sagan movie, can't remember the title. The movie was brilliant, but a really neat idea. There were all these people working at some remote (Nevada desert?) location, listening to the universe with their radio antennas (you know, those huge parabolic dish type thingys). They received a TV signal which was a broadcast of one of Adolf Hitler's (he was an Austrian guy who became a German politician) speeches from 50 years previous. The idea was that the TV broadcast was of sufficient frequency as to have penetrated the ionosphere (as current day sat band does) and had propagate across space until it finally hit something, maybe a planet, and reflected all the way back to Earth. (Of course, the signal may have reflected off several other bits of space flotsam before hitting the right one to bounce it back to Earth). I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this sort of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares you. Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread. Mark. |
"Contact"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/ Great movie. -- Stinger "CrewL" wrote in message ... Mr C. Gothic, What you suggest is an interesting idea. It reminded me of a Carl Sagan movie, can't remember the title. The movie was brilliant, but a really neat idea. There were all these people working at some remote (Nevada desert?) location, listening to the universe with their radio antennas (you know, those huge parabolic dish type thingys). They received a TV signal which was a broadcast of one of Adolf Hitler's (he was an Austrian guy who became a German politician) speeches from 50 years previous. The idea was that the TV broadcast was of sufficient frequency as to have penetrated the ionosphere (as current day sat band does) and had propagate across space until it finally hit something, maybe a planet, and reflected all the way back to Earth. (Of course, the signal may have reflected off several other bits of space flotsam before hitting the right one to bounce it back to Earth). I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this sort of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares you. Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread. Mark. |
Let's face it.
The sun is seven minutes away at the speed of light.. - So it might wink out & we would be minding our own business for ~ 6 minutes until we got a clue.. Dan In article , "CrewL" writes: I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this sort of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares you. Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread. Mark. |
Stinger wrote: "Contact" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/ Great movie. -- Stinger It was a good movie, a better overall screen treatment of the novel. The novel had a terrific first third and last third, but bogged down terribly in the middle. The movie avoided that. Tony "CrewL" wrote in message ... Mr C. Gothic, What you suggest is an interesting idea. It reminded me of a Carl Sagan movie, can't remember the title. The movie was brilliant, but a really neat idea. There were all these people working at some remote (Nevada desert?) location, listening to the universe with their radio antennas (you know, those huge parabolic dish type thingys). They received a TV signal which was a broadcast of one of Adolf Hitler's (he was an Austrian guy who became a German politician) speeches from 50 years previous. The idea was that the TV broadcast was of sufficient frequency as to have penetrated the ionosphere (as current day sat band does) and had propagate across space until it finally hit something, maybe a planet, and reflected all the way back to Earth. (Of course, the signal may have reflected off several other bits of space flotsam before hitting the right one to bounce it back to Earth). I suppose it's like looking in the sky at night at all the stars. Some of them you see don't exist any more, but their light energy is finally reaching Earth. Kind of a time machine really. Used to contemplate this sort of stuff lots when I was 15 or thereabouts. Think about it until it scares you. Yes, a neat idea and interesting thread. Mark. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
What this person is referring to is an incident in Britain in 1953
(IIRC). People in a certain area recieved an ID slide of TV station KLEE in Houston (I think) one night, with a long enough duration that a few photos of the ID were taken. When somebody tried to contact KLEE, they found out that the station went off the air in 1950. This was during the flying saucer mania, and people were talking about how little green men from an unknown planet "bounced" the signal off their UFO located three light years from Earth. What nobody noticed was that the UK and the US had radically different standards for electronic TV (405 lines vs 525 lines, for starters) so if LGM were responsible the signal would not have been recievable in Britain. I read on a website a few years ago that the hoaxer who broadcast the KLEE ID had eventually been found, but they didn't have any further details. Also, AM signals don't escape into space like FM and TV signals do, they just bounce around the ionosphere until they die out completely. We know this as "skywave". I remember seeing an episode of Amazing Stories (TV show) back in the 80s where these teenage experimenters picked up TV signals from a planet 20 light years away. The aliens had recieved our TV signals during their nascent radio era, and faithfully recreated the shows. Thus "I Love Lucy" with little conehead like aliens whose language sounded like "rolf rolf rolf". When KFRC (610 khz) in San Francisco changed from rock music to big band in 1984, they would replay classic radio shows, complete with commercials and announced dates. Word is that the cops would get panicked phone calls everytime they did this... Diverd4777 wrote: If your writing a peice of fiction, you have to have rules for what goes on, and then follow them Even if it's static on the radio before the Monster shows up where the kids all park, - & JUST before it gets interesting - you then have to have Static on the radio when the poor lone Cop, driving out to chase a racoon off someones porch gets attaked . - So if your picking up signals from the 1940s there has to be some corollary local behavior to go along with this. I think in " Signals", it was northern lights... - And you have to give Poor Doomed " Lone Cop" a real personality & some thoughts while he's driving out there in the dark, making his last call.. Dan ' In article , (Frank White) writes: According to our current knowledge of physics and the universe, this should not be possible. A radio signal is an energy burst; it cannot just hang around for 50-60 years. Even if it traveled out into space, hit something, and bounced back, the signal would be so degraded when it reached your radio it would be incoherent. And time travel, except in the neighborhood of black holes, doesn't exist. If I *did* pick up such a signal, I would assume I was listening to a re- enactment or historical tape, not an original transmission that had somehow bypassed the normal rules of existance. FW |
"tommyknocker" wrote in message ... snippage Also, AM signals don't escape into space like FM and TV signals do, they just bounce around the ionosphere until they die out completely. We know this as "skywave". AM BCB (MW) signals do escape into space.. some at night, but most during the day when the ionosphere is not reflecting most of them back to Earth. Even at nights some signals strike the ionosphere at acute enough angles that they will make it through. I remember seeing an episode of Amazing Stories (TV show) back in the 80s where these teenage experimenters picked up TV signals from a planet 20 light years away. The aliens had recieved our TV signals during their nascent radio era, and faithfully recreated the shows. Thus "I Love Lucy" with little conehead like aliens whose language sounded like "rolf rolf rolf". I remember that AS episode too.. I miss that show. I have something like three episodes somewhere around here on an old ßeta tape, will have to dig them out sometime.. |
Tony Meloche wrote:
Stinger wrote: "Contact" http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118884/ Great movie. -- Stinger It was a good movie, a better overall screen treatment of the novel. The novel had a terrific first third and last third, but bogged down terribly in the middle. The movie avoided that. Tony The book had a better ending but it wasn't well suited for a movie ending so they didn't use it. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
You've been watching way to much Twilight Zone.
"Current_gothic" wrote in message ... Just think what if this actually happened maybe it has to a few of you, or maybe it hasen't some may see this as a troll or a joke. but actually it isin't i was thinking about this today and was wondering what the rest of u on here might say.. so here it goes. Have you ever thought to your self. or known some one who maybe has, heard strange singnals. now i dont mean number stations, or odd BCB stations. i mean like have u ever sat spinning the dials on ur radio and then all of the sudden heard something odd that wasen't from this ear. ur probably thinking ok get to what ur talking about well what i mean is maybe a airplane sent off a message over shortwave radio lets say back in 1940 and maybe just now from 1990 on to 2004 maybe u heard the message over ur radio , and found out it was from a plane or something else in a back farther date over shortwave. now i mean its a weird phenomenom (bad spelling) but can it happen . or maybe it has happened to you,, would like to hear your input thanks The Wizard (channels 19,11,27,35..on the CB) VE3010SWL-Professional shortwave listener NAMA1380-Professional scanner operator Keep your heads up high but your antennas up higher |
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