Tracy wrote:

I never said it threatened anyone. I'm saying it's immoral and most
people would say that it is perverted.

That said, I wouldn't want one teaching one of my childrens classes
and I would do everything in my power to stop it!

If it's not a threat to anyone, it can't be a threat to your children.
You can't have it both ways. What do you think would happen to your
children if they had a transsexual teacher?


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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:09:36 -0500, longwave
wrote:

Tracy wrote:

I never said it threatened anyone. I'm saying it's immoral and most
people would say that it is perverted.

That said, I wouldn't want one teaching one of my childrens classes
and I would do everything in my power to stop it!

If it's not a threat to anyone, it can't be a threat to your children.
You can't have it both ways. What do you think would happen to your
children if they had a transsexual teacher?

Nothing, because they won't have one. Gays and lesbians try to take
advantage of young and impressionable minds.


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Frank has continually tried to show that they are not a threat. I
have really never said that they were or weren't! My point is this:
She had a sex change to become a lesbian. If you are going to have a
sex change to become a woman, then why not find yourself a man. Why go
out an get a female partner? This does not help her situation.
Transgenders want to be welcome in society, but to have the operation
and become a lasbian? That is nothing more than common perversion.

This conversation was to see if we disagree. I do.

Tracy

"Tracy" wrote in message
...

. Never tried to
claim it was a physical threat to anyone. What I'm saying is: If you
question the morals of others, then plan on having your own morals
questioned.

So words like "scum" and "bitch" are part of that question?


She had a sex change and became a lesbian. Her morals are
for ****! End of story!


As far as I've know, Brenda Ann has never treated anyone in an uncivil
manner.


Are you having a problem understanding what I'm trying to tell you?


Yes. Civility is an element of public morality. There's a discordance
here.


All you have been doing is trying to twist around what I'm saying to
make it sound like it is no big deal.


Words are a bitch, aren't they? So many confusing definitions, so many
perplexing nuances. Well, I'll meet you more than half way. While I
think the immorality of this situation is questionable, I'll use your
words to describe this situation -- "Immorality which Tracy never tried
to claim was a threat to anyone". There, how's that? I'll admit it's
clunky, but it is exact.


Instead of writing "immorality" you'd write:

"Immorality which I never tried to claim was a threat to anyone"

I suggest you use cut 'n paste rather than typing it all out. As I
said, it's clunky, but exact. Oh, sorry. I forgot the "big deal" part.

"Immorality which I never tried to claim was a threat to anyone", but it
is a big deal!

There. Isn't that better?



It is sick perversion. PERIOD!

Tracy

Hey, how about -- It is a sick perversion, which I never tried to claim
was a threat to anyone. PERIOD!

Oh, by the way. Do you really think "Immorality which Tracy never tried
to claim was a threat to anyone" is a worse sort of immorality than
corrupt businessmen who steal millions of dollars from customers and
stockholders?

Do you really?

Frank Dresser

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:47:11 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .

. Never tried to
claim it was a physical threat to anyone. What I'm saying is: If you
question the morals of others, then plan on having your own morals
questioned.

So words like "scum" and "bitch" are part of that question?


She had a sex change and became a lesbian. Her morals are
for ****! End of story!


As far as I've know, Brenda Ann has never treated anyone in an uncivil
manner.


Are you having a problem understanding what I'm trying to tell you?


Yes. Civility is an element of public morality. There's a discordance
here.


All you have been doing is trying to twist around what I'm saying to
make it sound like it is no big deal.


Words are a bitch, aren't they? So many confusing definitions, so many
perplexing nuances. Well, I'll meet you more than half way. While I
think the immorality of this situation is questionable, I'll use your
words to describe this situation -- "Immorality which Tracy never tried
to claim was a threat to anyone". There, how's that? I'll admit it's
clunky, but it is exact.


Instead of writing "immorality" you'd write:

"Immorality which I never tried to claim was a threat to anyone"

I suggest you use cut 'n paste rather than typing it all out. As I
said, it's clunky, but exact. Oh, sorry. I forgot the "big deal" part.

"Immorality which I never tried to claim was a threat to anyone", but it
is a big deal!

There. Isn't that better?



It is sick perversion. PERIOD!

Tracy

Hey, how about -- It is a sick perversion, which I never tried to claim
was a threat to anyone. PERIOD!

Oh, by the way. Do you really think "Immorality which Tracy never tried
to claim was a threat to anyone" is a worse sort of immorality than
corrupt businessmen who steal millions of dollars from customers and
stockholders?

Do you really?

Frank Dresser

Frank,
Throw whatever words around that make you fell good. The bottom line
is what I have told you 20 times. Brenda Ann's morals are for ****. I
don't care what she does with her life, but if she is going to judge
then expect to be judged.

You are the one trying to get me to agree that transsexuals hurt no
one or that it is socially acceptable. I will never do that!


Why don't you take another look at Brenda Ann's website. Go to the
links section. Then go to the erotic stories section. The click on
bestiality stories. Then come back and tell me Brenda Ann is a normal
everyday person. She is nothing more than a sick pedophile!

Tracy

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:47:11 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .

. Never tried to
claim it was a physical threat to anyone. What I'm saying is: If you
question the morals of others, then plan on having your own morals
questioned.

So words like "scum" and "bitch" are part of that question?


She had a sex change and became a lesbian. Her morals are
for ****! End of story!


As far as I've know, Brenda Ann has never treated anyone in an uncivil
manner.


Are you having a problem understanding what I'm trying to tell you?


Yes. Civility is an element of public morality. There's a discordance
here.


All you have been doing is trying to twist around what I'm saying to
make it sound like it is no big deal.


Words are a bitch, aren't they? So many confusing definitions, so many
perplexing nuances. Well, I'll meet you more than half way. While I
think the immorality of this situation is questionable, I'll use your
words to describe this situation -- "Immorality which Tracy never tried
to claim was a threat to anyone". There, how's that? I'll admit it's
clunky, but it is exact.


Instead of writing "immorality" you'd write:

"Immorality which I never tried to claim was a threat to anyone"

I suggest you use cut 'n paste rather than typing it all out. As I
said, it's clunky, but exact. Oh, sorry. I forgot the "big deal" part.

"Immorality which I never tried to claim was a threat to anyone", but it
is a big deal!

There. Isn't that better?



It is sick perversion. PERIOD!

Tracy

Hey, how about -- It is a sick perversion, which I never tried to claim
was a threat to anyone. PERIOD!

Oh, by the way. Do you really think "Immorality which Tracy never tried
to claim was a threat to anyone" is a worse sort of immorality than
corrupt businessmen who steal millions of dollars from customers and
stockholders?

Do you really?

Frank Dresser

Never mind Frank...I will go to Brenda Ann's web site later and do a
little cut and paste for you and repost it here.

Tracy

Direct from a link on Brenda Ann's web site...there are more would you
like to look at those too?

Tracy




Warning: If sex featuring consenting adult men and their dogs turns
you off,
don't read the following. Thanks very much to all who wrote in with
suggestions. They were hot as hell, and I wish I could have used them
all.

The day began like any other, with six big police dogs unloading in my
ass,
a couple of horny officers creaming in either end, followed by a nice
nap
curled up in my cage. Then everything went wrong. It started
innocently
enough with Ed poking me in the ribs with his boot.

"Wake up bitch. Ass in the air."

I quickly roll into position and push my ass up to meet his cock. A
part of
me is still dozing, but a big smile creeps across my face as I await
my
master's ****.

"That's the way boy. Wag that tail for me. Show your master how happy
you
are to see him."

Still sleepily dreaming, I twirl my ass from side to side, enticing
this
stud to breed me.

"Looks like my bitch is in heat again. Never known a bitch as horny as
you
boy."

"Yes sir. Please **** your bitch. I need your man cock inside me."

Ed obliges and buries his pole up to his balls in one solid lunge that
makes
me squeal.

"Oh, baby. I love ****ing an ass all juiced up with dog cum. Love the
way
this hole just eats my cock up."

"Thank you sir. Thank you for feeding me your man cock."

"**** boy. Your back is all scratched and torn. Looks like a ****ing
highway
map. Just look at these two deep cuts."

Ed stops pummeling my hole for a minute to examine the red crisscross
of
gouges on my back, sides, and thighs. His fingers probe the two
deepest cuts
just below my ribs where the dog's dew claws always bite into me.

"Looks like those damn dog's have been holding on for dear life. You
weren't
trying to throw them, were you bitch?"

"No sir. I've been treating the dogs real good sir. I promise."

"Well, in that case, I've got a surprise for you son. Here boy. Here
Panzer"
As Ed calls out, I hear the click clack of paws running toward me. I
turn my
head just in time to get a face full of dog slobber.

"Aw, ain't that sweet. Looks like Panzer missed you."

Panzer is the big mastiff that took my cherry--so naturally I'm happy
to see
him. It's pretty obvious how Panzer got his name. He's built like an
army
tank and has the biggest gun you've ever seen. He comes up to about my
waist
(when I'm allowed to stand in his presence) and must weigh at least
140
pounds. His head is as big as mine. He's also a vicious, sadistic
****er.
Panzer used to be on the force, but he couldn't be controlled, so they
were
going to put him down or neuter him. Ed decided to retire Panzer
instead,
and now they live together. If I wasn't giving that dog my pussy
regularly,
I know he would probably rip me apart on sight. But still, the way
that dog
****s, I can't help but love him.

"Don't be coy, son. Give Panzer a kiss."

I open my mouth and let Panzer's wide, flat tongue swipe around
inside. It
tickles when he flicks the tip against the top of my mouth. I can't
remember
the last time I've been kissed while getting ****ed, so I naturally
enjoy
being frenched by Panzer while his master ****s me.

Panzer's smart though, and not much for foreplay. He sees that Ed is
getting
a piece of ass, so he wants a piece too. He jumps up, and his front
paws
come down hard on my shoulders. When that big spotted dog dick starts
pushing its way towards my mouth, I know there's no stopping it. The
mottled tube is rapidly sliding out of its short hairy sheath and the
tip is
already pulsing and dripping dogslime. I have to turn my head at a
painful
angle to accommodate him, but Panzer doesn't care, he just wants my
lips
around his dogcock. I reach my tongue out and lick at the arrow-like
end as
Panzer dances around on his hind legs, trying to spear it up inside
me. I
reach up and cradle his furry balls, softly kneading them and weighing
them,
wondering how much cum they're making just for me.

I can just picture master and dog facing each other over the body of
their
bitch--each one smiling at the other as I whine and pant beneath them.
Panzer's dick hits the mark and soon I'm gagging on quick spurts of
salty
dog cum as his prick jabs further down my throat. Meanwhile, Ed's
plowing
away with short, frantic strokes, just like his dog.

"Oh baby," Ed says as he jams his cock back and forth. "Gonna feed
that
hole. Gonna shoot it up inside my bitch. Pump it full of sweet ****ing
manseed and breed my baby right."

When Ed starts shooting off inside my ****, it's like a burning river
searing my guts. He always pushes in hard, so his seed will go deep,
but
this time he pulls it from my hole and scoots around to my mouth. His
cock
is still spewing as he lifts Panzer's leg and shoves his dick in
beside his
dogs, giving me the unique experience of sucking off both dog and
master
together. For a few minutes I get to savor the different flavors and
textures of their dicks and it feel so good to know how much I am
pleasing
them.

After a few minutes, Ed slaps my ass hard and calls out: "Panzer,
mount."
Out of horniness, not obedience, that giant, muscular beast obeys. He
trots
around to my rear, gives it a sniff, and a few seconds later I can
feel his
long red snake sliding up and down my ass crack searching for a hole.
Dog's
have a very high body temperature, and Panzer's fur is soon damp with
my
sweat as he covers me. His back paws are clawing at my calves, and his
front
paws have me in viselike grip around my waist. But still he can't bury
that
bone. With each pass his cock leaves a trail of cum that slicks my
crack.
Not wanting to see Panzer suffer, Ed casually reaches forward and
takes his
dog's cock in hand. Panzer growls, and I know he's showing Ed his
teeth,
instinctively trying to keep the bitch to himself.

"Here ya go boy. Stick it here buddy. **** the bitch. **** it."

Ed aims that dog dick and pushes me back on it. I let out a scream
that
fills the room and starts the other dogs wailing in their cages. My
arms fly
out and I start grabbing at Ed's legs, trying to pull myself up and
away.

"Don't go anywhere boy. That dog's just getting started. Just wait for
the
knot and then you'll be feeling fine."

Ed's right. In a few minutes I can feel something like a hot billiard
ball
slamming up against my pussylips with each frantic **** thrust. I know
better than anger this dog, so I give a push out with my ass muscles.
Panzer's dogknot pops through my abused ass ring and he starts
squirting and
shooting.

"Yeah boy, give the bitch a good ****ing. Fill her up. **** the bitch
raw."

Ed's commentary only makes me hotter, and I start sucking and licking
his
balls and dick as Panzer rapes my ****.

"Damn that's hot. Ain't it Panzer? **** yeah. We sure are gonna miss
this
boypussy, aren't we boy."

Suddenly my joy turns to confusion and fear. Even as Panzer is
hunching and
climbing up my back, filling me with his doggie cum, I have the
presence of
mind to ask. "Sir, what do you mean you're going to miss this
boypussy?"

"Well, son. I made a deal to sell you to the Chief of Police this
morning.
He made me a pretty fair offer. This here's just a good-bye ****.
Panzer
wanted one more shot at that sloppy boy**** and I didn't have the
heart to
disappoint him."

"Oh, God, Sir. Please don't sell me. Please sir. I'll be good. I'll
make you
happy. Please don't make me go."

Panzer's cock is now twitching and shooting like a geyser and the
constantly
increasing pressure on my tender pussy is making me wince and grit my
teeth
in sweet agony.

"Look boy. You've had your chance around here. These damn dog's can't
get
their rocks off on their own. And you're too damn slow. Hell, the
other day
Apache got dick drool all over my ****ing car. If you'd have finished
him
off earlier in the morning, that wouldn't have happened."

"Please sir. I'll wake up earlier. I'll do anything.."

Just then I scream as Panzer steps off my back and turns. His knot it
now
pulling away from me as he tries to walk out of my cage with me
attached.

"Shut up bitch. Panzer, stay."

The pain in my ass subsides slightly, but I'm still trapped and unable
to
speak coherently. Unable to plead well enough to save my ass.

"Look bitch. Your time is up in this job. Everyone on the police force
is
saying what a lousy kennel **** you turned out to be. Hell, sometimes
you
don't even let the dog's tie with you. You're just a lazy bitch."

My hole is practically vibrating from my sobbing, which I am sure adds
to
Panzer's pleasure. Every few seconds his cock gives another little
jump and
I can feel more cum squirting inside me. I can't believe it will be
for the
last time.

"But Sir. Please Sir. I love you."

Ed chuckles a bit and starts to pull up his pants. Panzer's knot
finally
slips free and he turns to lick at the river of cum draining out of my
gaping pussylips.

"You love me, huh?"

"Yes sir."

"And you love Panzer too?"

"Yes sir. I love Panzer.

"Well then, tell Panzer you love him. Maybe you can convince him
you're
worth another chance."

"Oh, please, Panzer. I love you so much"

At the sound of his name, Panzer comes around to face me. He licks my
mouth
and I can taste his cum and my assjuices.

"Please Panzer. You were my first real **** and I love being bred by
you.
Please give me another chance."

Panzer just keeps licking my tear-stained face, then forces his tongue
inside my mouth, smearing my palate with tears, cum, and drool.

"Well. That sounds pretty good. I mean, it sure looks like Panzer is
fond of
you. Let me think on it."

"Please sir. Please don't sell me to the Chief of Police. I'm begging
you."

"All right bitch. Just to show you what a good man your owner is. I'll
try
to work something out. The Chief owes me a big favor, but I wasn't
looking
to call it in just yet. But, I suppose I could. Of course he really
did have
his heart set on you. He keeps calling you `the pick of the litter.'"

"Please sir. Please don't sell me to him."

"Well then. Here's what we'll do. You go with the Chief tonight, and
give
him the best time of his ****ing life, and tomorrow I'll tell him the
deal's
off."

"Oh no. Please sir."

"That's the deal son. Take it or leave it. Look, I could go out and
find me
another kennel bitch in two seconds. Horny little faggot boys are
falling
all over me all day long. Most of `em would give their left nut to be
****ed
by such fine, pure-bread animals all day. If you really love me,
you'll do
what I ****ing say."

"Yes sir."

"That's my bitch. You go home with the Chief tonight, and Panzer and I
will
see you tomorrow. But the Chief had better have a ****ing smile on his
face
in the morning."

"Yes, sir. I'll make him feel good sir. Anything he wants."

"Tracy" wrote in message
...
Direct from a link on Brenda Ann's web site...there are more would you
like to look at those too?

Tracy




Warning: If sex featuring consenting adult men and their dogs turns
you off,
don't read the following.

I didn't find much of interest on Brenda's page, so I didn't check out
the links, and I was completely unaware of the link to the page with the
story.

I didn't read much farther. It was a turn off.

But nearly all your attacks on Brenda concerned the immorality of
transsexuality and lesbianism. An immorality which you never tried to
claim was a threat to anyone. I suppose the link to the page with the
story is your real objection.

Brenda has a link to a page which has distasteful stories. When did you
first complain to the author of the story? The author of the webpage?

Frank Dresser

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:14:06 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .
Direct from a link on Brenda Ann's web site...there are more would you
like to look at those too?

Tracy




Warning: If sex featuring consenting adult men and their dogs turns
you off,
don't read the following.

I didn't find much of interest on Brenda's page, so I didn't check out
the links, and I was completely unaware of the link to the page with the
story.

I didn't read much farther. It was a turn off.

But nearly all your attacks on Brenda concerned the immorality of
transsexuality and lesbianism. An immorality which you never tried to
claim was a threat to anyone. I suppose the link to the page with the
story is your real objection.

Brenda has a link to a page which has distasteful stories. When did you
first complain to the author of the story? The author of the webpage?

Frank Dresser



No...I never tried to convince anyone that being a transsexual was a
threat to them! I was trying to point out that Brenda Ann questions
other's moral's but she has issues of her own. End of story! Is
transsexuality a threat to me or my family? No, it is not. Not at this
moment...

If it becomes a threat, I will deal with it, in whatever way I need,
in order to make it a non threat.

I'm not going to complain to anyone about her web site. I was using
the link to show you what was available on her site. It's not just one
story. There are hundreds. Again, my point is, Brenda Ann has NO room
to question anyone's moral until she examines her own.

I cannot state my position any clearer Frank.

Tracy

"Tracy" wrote in message
...
No...I never tried to convince anyone that being a transsexual was a
threat to them! I was trying to point out that Brenda Ann questions
other's moral's but she has issues of her own. End of story! Is
transsexuality a threat to me or my family? No, it is not. Not at this
moment...

If it becomes a threat, I will deal with it, in whatever way I need,
in order to make it a non threat.

I'm not going to complain to anyone about her web site. I was using
the link to show you what was available on her site. It's not just one
story. There are hundreds. Again, my point is, Brenda Ann has NO room
to question anyone's moral until she examines her own.

I cannot state my position any clearer Frank.

Tracy

Are there degees of immorality?

How immoral is it for a person to post a link to a different person's
webpage which has distasteful stories written by yet other people?

Is the person who posts the link more immoral than businessmen who steal
millions from the customers and the stockholders?

Frank Dresser

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:15:25 GMT, "Frank Dresser"
wrote:


"Tracy" wrote in message
.. .
No...I never tried to convince anyone that being a transsexual was a
threat to them! I was trying to point out that Brenda Ann questions
other's moral's but she has issues of her own. End of story! Is
transsexuality a threat to me or my family? No, it is not. Not at this
moment...

If it becomes a threat, I will deal with it, in whatever way I need,
in order to make it a non threat.

I'm not going to complain to anyone about her web site. I was using
the link to show you what was available on her site. It's not just one
story. There are hundreds. Again, my point is, Brenda Ann has NO room
to question anyone's moral until she examines her own.

I cannot state my position any clearer Frank.

Tracy

Are there degees of immorality?

How immoral is it for a person to post a link to a different person's
webpage which has distasteful stories written by yet other people?

Is the person who posts the link more immoral than businessmen who steal
millions from the customers and the stockholders?

Frank Dresser

There you go again....trying to make it OK!

Tracy